Boxing Speculation, Odds and Predictions

[bbc.reporter]

And if not mistaken, Dana White doesn't want his UFC fighters like Conor to do one boxing exhibition because of this reasons. But they are making good money so I guess they will continue to do business with Floyd and the Paul brothers.

No doubt that they'll continue even if Dana White says so.

There's a huge money that's being involved and they might have been offered with an amount that's hard to decline. Just like any other athlete, when is being offered with good compensation and talent fee, they won't think twice but will grab the offer.

The Paul brothers did discovered this niche that will make them and their opponents big money.

Dana is losing contracts as more fighters actually get off from Dana's control. Nate Diaz also was to fight against Jake but of course, Dana didn't like the idea and the contract also does not allow UFC fighters to have another event involving his fighters.

Unfortunately, UFC fighters losing against Jake embarrasses UFC. It would mean this combat sport is not really as ULTIMATE as it may sound if that is the case.

They are different sports. I am a fan of boxing and MMA, however you have made a very head shaking argument. You argue that MMA is not as ultimate because retired MMA fighters cannot win against Jake Paul in boxing? Why not the best professional boxers fight in MMA to prove that MMA is not as ultimate as it may sound? I estimate that there may be 1 of those boxers who might win, however, I am quite certain the other 9 would never return.

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[btc_angela]

And if not mistaken, Dana White doesn't want his UFC fighters like Conor to do one boxing exhibition because of this reasons. But they are making good money so I guess they will continue to do business with Floyd and the Paul brothers.

No doubt that they'll continue even if Dana White says so.

There's a huge money that's being involved and they might have been offered with an amount that's hard to decline. Just like any other athlete, when is being offered with good compensation and talent fee, they won't think twice but will grab the offer.

The Paul brothers did discovered this niche that will make them and their opponents big money.

Dana is losing contracts as more fighters actually get off from Dana's control. Nate Diaz also was to fight against Jake but of course, Dana didn't like the idea and the contract also does not allow UFC fighters to have another event involving his fighters.

Unfortunately, UFC fighters losing against Jake embarrasses UFC. It would mean this combat sport is not really as ULTIMATE as it may sound if that is the case.

They are different sports. I am a fan of boxing and MMA, however you have made a very head shaking argument. You argue that MMA is not as ultimate because retired MMA fighters cannot win against Jake Paul in boxing? Why not the best professional boxers fight in MMA to prove that MMA is not as ultimate as it may sound? I estimate that there may be 1 of those boxers who might win, however, I am quite certain the other 9 would never return.

I agree though, MMA is more gruelling than boxing and so they are not even comparable but some of the discipline like stand up skills might be applicable to both sports. And that's why we haven't seen a boxer really crossing over to the world of MMA because it will take more than their brawling and power punching skills. And maybe that is the reason Dana is very adamant on some UFC fighters as they are in a different levels.

[YuginKadoya]

Yes, I greatly agree.  I always believe that an exhibition fight promotes the sports it involved with.  The main factor in this kind of fight is promotion and of course money-making, either for charity or personal gain.

It also tap the curiosity of people about a cross matches between fighting sports but the problem is that, it is always the fighter who cross over to that sports has the disadvantage since they are not  that familiar with the discipline and mechanics of the sports.  One good example is the fight between a boxer and a wrestler in a boxing rule.  Obviously the wrestler would have a huge disadvantage here and we see the result in one of Jake Pauls fight.

I do not agree with most exhibition fights but as I said this is a breath of new life for the boxing industry, for some cases I really don't like other sports like wrestling to mingle with a boxer in a boxing match, but if that Wrestler can prove that he surely has a boxing skill, then maybe I can consider we can not take out on people the desire to show what they got in boxing, but if it is for money (most of the time) it can have a good effect and a bad effect aswell, it is like a red pill and a blue pill whichever you chose will surely make a different effect most exhibition fights that I want to see that boxer and combat sports alike is a fight between Tyson Fury and Francis Ngannou, I am sure curious about that fight, and some example Idea I had in mine, Alex Pereira or any middleweight boxers that are still active, 

They are different sports. I am a fan of boxing and MMA, however you have made a very head shaking argument. You argue that MMA is not as ultimate because retired MMA fighters cannot win against Jake Paul in boxing? Why not the best professional boxers fight in MMA to prove that MMA is not as ultimate as it may sound? I estimate that there may be 1 of those boxers who might win, however, I am quite certain the other 9 would never return.

I certainly agree, why not level the playing field and boxers be on the MMA set of rules, and as you have said why does it always have to be a boxing exhibition, why not an MMA exhibition or put the 2 fighters in different combat sports that they are not familiar with or they can fight as long as they don't fight on their qualifying expertise, a boxer of MMA fighter fighting on fencing, Archery, or if not combat sports, basketball perhaps, we can not compare boxing and MMA because it has different fields and both are very hard to teach and learn, for me if a fighter would fight on MMA a boxer can still be a boxer, while the MMA fighter can be free in everything they do, I think the MMA will surely win against a boxer,

[freedomgo]

That fight of Manny Pacquiao against DK Yoo will surely amass a good fortune because people already missed having the sight of Pacquiao fighting again in the ring even if it's not a professional fight and there is no doubt about that. I hope that someday there will be a Mayweather-Pacquiao fight too because that will be a good sight to see too.

Many Manny Pacquiao fans will surely love having Pacquiao fight again, but some fans they are asking why not Mayweather, some retired MMA fighter, or even Jake Paul that already has experience in boxing, but a fight is still a fight maybe the promoters for this fights are now talking for some of the next exhibition fights, Manny Pacquiao can showcase, but who really knows if DK Yoo can be a different fighter on the December of their fight, and both men have a long time they can practice, but I highly doubt that DK Yoo can be a different fighter in a span of a short time,

There is a chance that DK Yoo will just be schooled because he is not used to boxing as he is a martial artist, but I bet he's already practicing and training a lot to give the people an entertaining fight so that their money won't be wasted.

I really wish that DK Yoo can be a different fighter when the fight commences because I am highly doubting this possibility judging from the recent fights of DK Yoo, he lacks experience and this is what he needs, surely he can get much experience to the 8th time division champion for sure,

Well, that is the kind of question that only Manny Pacquiao and his camp can answer but I believe there is a reason why Pacquiao chose DK Yoo as his first fight from retirement, maybe because he is just taking his time to get used to the ring again and DK Yoo is the right foe because the latter doesn't have enough stamina and experience to keep up with professional boxers.

Why not Jake Paul? Maybe because of their difference in terms of weight even if there are no such rules in exhibition fights. Jake Paul is a natural heavyweight fighter while Pacquiao is a welterweight fighter or lower. Just a wild guess tho

[jossiel]

No doubt that they'll continue even if Dana White says so.

There's a huge money that's being involved and they might have been offered with an amount that's hard to decline. Just like any other athlete, when is being offered with good compensation and talent fee, they won't think twice but will grab the offer.

The Paul brothers did discovered this niche that will make them and their opponents big money.

Dana is losing contracts as more fighters actually get off from Dana's control. Nate Diaz also was to fight against Jake but of course, Dana didn't like the idea and the contract also does not allow UFC fighters to have another event involving his fighters.

Those that are under contract, they have to honor and recognize their contract with UFC. But those that are clean and good to go, they don't have to listen whatever Dana is telling them because they no longer have contracts with him.

Unfortunately, UFC fighters losing against Jake embarrasses UFC. It would mean this combat sport is not really as ULTIMATE as it may sound if that is the case.

Still, many understands that these matches aren't really that pro unlike UFC. And this is just all about having fun and entertainment while making some big money from the hype it creates.

[LUCKMCFLY]

The same situation with Ancajas because he originally prepared for a title defense fight against Kazuto Ioka but was replaced last minute by Fernando Martinez and Ancajas ultimately lost the title he held for quite a long time. These instances can't be predicted because the original boxer wanted to participate in the fight but an issue surfaced later on which resulted in a need for a substitute just like this time.

This reminds me of when they wanted the fight between Canelo and GGG, that they always looked for a way to duel before the fights that they loved the most, so the fans annoyed them and rightly so, but ultimately all of that has a purpose, which is, that the business model is very broad and as I have said in previous threads, they always put money before sport with what they are living with.

The organizers want more spectacle and even so it is a very good business, because the bidders enjoy doing what they like the most and well the fans, those who also practice the sport always want more, so I do not blame them for everything that happens, in the end that generates a lot of work and they employ a lot of people, so that is something very good.

No doubt that they'll continue even if Dana White says so.

There's a huge money that's being involved and they might have been offered with an amount that's hard to decline. Just like any other athlete, when is being offered with good compensation and talent fee, they won't think twice but will grab the offer.

The Paul brothers did discovered this niche that will make them and their opponents big money.

Dana is losing contracts as more fighters actually get off from Dana's control. Nate Diaz also was to fight against Jake but of course, Dana didn't like the idea and the contract also does not allow UFC fighters to have another event involving his fighters.

Those that are under contract, they have to honor and recognize their contract with UFC. But those that are clean and good to go, they don't have to listen whatever Dana is telling them because they no longer have contracts with him.

Unfortunately, UFC fighters losing against Jake embarrasses UFC. It would mean this combat sport is not really as ULTIMATE as it may sound if that is the case.

Still, many understands that these matches aren't really that pro unlike UFC. And this is just all about having fun and entertainment while making some big money from the hype it creates.

Well there is something that many do not understand, when there is a fighter in the UFC and he goes to boxing, things can seem very similar, that is, they think that if he has been in the UFC, boxing is nothing for them, and it is not like that , people who go from the UFC to boxing may have a lot of resistance to withstand blows to their body, on the other hand in boxing they receive more blows to the face, head, torso of the body, and the legs are not used to kick than It is a very good resource in a fight, in boxing things are different, boxers tend to have more resistance, more speed in their punches and above all the strength in each punch is impressive.

[Baofeng]

Regarding the fight between two ladies, I have been wanting to see this fight, is in jeopardy because of the passing of her Majesty, Queen Elizabeth II.

Claressa Shields and Savannah Marshall has a schedule bout in O2 arena this weekend. But the promoters says that they will continue to go with the official weigh in just in case the British commission will allow the fight to go through despite the period of mourning.

Oh, yeah, I saw it on my feed that the Queen has passed away. So chances are the fight is going to be cancelled here. The whole nation will mourn for the time being so any sports should be cancelled indefinitely.

All eyes are into this fight, they have been calling out each other and the trash talking between this two ladies will rival anyone in the men's side. So let's just wait for the official announcement.

There is no weigh-in, the time was initially moved to 3 pm, until BOXXER decided to postponed it.

The fight though is being moved to the same venue in Oct 15 (tentatively). And not just boxing, but all other sports like football and rugby are either rescheduled and postponed out of respect.

[aioc]

Regarding the fight between two ladies, I have been wanting to see this fight, is in jeopardy because of the passing of her Majesty, Queen Elizabeth II.

Claressa Shields and Savannah Marshall has a schedule bout in O2 arena this weekend. But the promoters says that they will continue to go with the official weigh in just in case the British commission will allow the fight to go through despite the period of mourning.

Oh, yeah, I saw it on my feed that the Queen has passed away. So chances are the fight is going to be cancelled here. The whole nation will mourn for the time being so any sports should be cancelled indefinitely.

All eyes are into this fight, they have been calling out each other and the trash talking between this two ladies will rival anyone in the men's side. So let's just wait for the official announcement.

There is no weigh-in, the time was initially moved to 3 pm, until BOXXER decided to postponed it.

The fight though is being moved to the same venue in Oct 15 (tentatively). And not just boxing, but all other sports like football and rugby are either rescheduled and postponed out of respect.

I'm very excited to see this match because of the thrash talks that are going on between these two ladies when I read the news, but it's ok to get it moved because of what happened the nation is still mourning the death of the Queen it is just right that it is moved to a new date we must respect the nation in mourning.
Both ladies are very excited to face each other and of course the boxing world they have not seen an intense face off like this to happen and both are also undefeated.

[TravelMug]

Regarding the fight between two ladies, I have been wanting to see this fight, is in jeopardy because of the passing of her Majesty, Queen Elizabeth II.

Claressa Shields and Savannah Marshall has a schedule bout in O2 arena this weekend. But the promoters says that they will continue to go with the official weigh in just in case the British commission will allow the fight to go through despite the period of mourning.

Oh, yeah, I saw it on my feed that the Queen has passed away. So chances are the fight is going to be cancelled here. The whole nation will mourn for the time being so any sports should be cancelled indefinitely.

All eyes are into this fight, they have been calling out each other and the trash talking between this two ladies will rival anyone in the men's side. So let's just wait for the official announcement.

There is no weigh-in, the time was initially moved to 3 pm, until BOXXER decided to postponed it.

The fight though is being moved to the same venue in Oct 15 (tentatively). And not just boxing, but all other sports like football and rugby are either rescheduled and postponed out of respect.

I'm very excited to see this match because of the thrash talks that are going on between these two ladies when I read the news, but it's ok to get it moved because of what happened the nation is still mourning the death of the Queen it is just right that it is moved to a new date we must respect the nation in mourning.
Both ladies are very excited to face each other and of course the boxing world they have not seen an intense face off like this to happen and both are also undefeated.

And they have been bitter enemies since their amateur days, Savannah Marshall  has win over Shields and she keep on rubbing it in for the last 10 years that's why Shields wanted to shut her mouth for good in this fight. So there is a lot of trash talking and animosity between the two and this is built as the biggest women's boxing event. Unfortunately, Great Britain and the whole world is mourning the passing of the Queen, and everyone is affected in the country including sports.

[coin-investor]

And they have been bitter enemies since their amateur days, Savannah Marshall  has win over Shields and she keep on rubbing it in for the last 10 years that's why Shields wanted to shut her mouth for good in this fight. So there is a lot of trash talking and animosity between the two and this is built as the biggest women's boxing event. Unfortunately, Great Britain and the whole world is mourning the passing of the Queen, and everyone is affected in the country including sports.

Marshall keeps boasting and keeps repeating that she beat Claressa in their amateur days, that was the amateur days it doesn't carry weight in the pro league, for the first time in the history of woman boxing we have two women rivals as the undisputed and the greatest woman boxer of all time, I still consider Claressa to be the GWOAT, but as they say, to be a man you have to beat the man, it applies to woman boxing too, if Savannah beat Claressa then she is the new GWOAT.

[cryptomaniac_xxx]

And they have been bitter enemies since their amateur days, Savannah Marshall  has win over Shields and she keep on rubbing it in for the last 10 years that's why Shields wanted to shut her mouth for good in this fight. So there is a lot of trash talking and animosity between the two and this is built as the biggest women's boxing event. Unfortunately, Great Britain and the whole world is mourning the passing of the Queen, and everyone is affected in the country including sports.

Marshall keeps boasting and keeps repeating that she beat Claressa in their amateur days, that was the amateur days it doesn't carry weight in the pro league, for the first time in the history of woman boxing we have two women rivals as the undisputed and the greatest woman boxer of all time, I still consider Claressa to be the GWOAT, but as they say, to be a man you have to beat the man, it applies to woman boxing too, if Savannah beat Claressa then she is the new GWOAT.

And this happen like 10 years ago if I'm not mistaken and it's a different era obviously, their style is not the same as when you enter the pro league. I also agree that Claressa should be considered the GWOAT specially if she beats Marshall and get their revenge with a good knockout. But it's going to be delayed us watching this great fight. At least they can continue to trash talk in their social media accounts.

[YuginKadoya]

Well, that is the kind of question that only Manny Pacquiao and his camp can answer but I believe there is a reason why Pacquiao chose DK Yoo as his first fight from retirement, maybe because he is just taking his time to get used to the ring again and DK Yoo is the right foe because the latter doesn't have enough stamina and experience to keep up with professional boxers.

Why not Jake Paul? Maybe because of their difference in terms of weight even if there are no such rules in exhibition fights. Jake Paul is a natural heavyweight fighter while Pacquiao is a welterweight fighter or lower. Just a wild guess tho

We can surely guess all we want, but I think we just need to wait for further explanation on both fighters for me if I would give my speculation on why Manny Pacquiao accepted this fight was because of the money, we all know that Manny Pacquiao already has tons of money, but he has run for the presidency last time so for that campaign he would surely need a lot of money for the campaign paraphernalia, and we all know how generous Manny Pacquiao in giving money to the poor, surely he wants to get back what he lost on that campaigning period, well this is what I could think of, the reason on accepting that fight, I know it can be a little down for him to accept the fight for money purposes, but we all know that Manny Pacquaio has once came from a poor family and he is a from rug to riches kind of boxer,

Oh, yeah, I saw it on my feed that the Queen has passed away. So chances are the fight is going to be cancelled here. The whole nation will mourn for the time being so any sports should be cancelled indefinitely.

All eyes are into this fight, they have been calling out each other and the trash talking between this two ladies will rival anyone in the men's side. So let's just wait for the official announcement.

That is why I have to look up on Tapology that the fight was now on October 15, 2022, instead of September 09, it was really a bummer but at the same time pretty much understandable because of the passing of the queen it was really unexpected and shocking at the same time, but it will surely happen and pretty much all of us will go the same fate,

The two ladies are really getting at it on the bad talking but it is really understandable aswell because this is to hype the fight and surely I don't really think this is because of some bad blood between the two, but because of this the fight between Canelo Alvarez vs. Gennadiy Golovkin on September 17, up next,

[Baofeng]

That is why I have to look up on Tapology that the fight was now on October 15, 2022, instead of September 09, it was really a bummer but at the same time pretty much understandable because of the passing of the queen it was really unexpected and shocking at the same time, but it will surely happen and pretty much all of us will go the same fate,

The two ladies are really getting at it on the bad talking but it is really understandable aswell because this is to hype the fight and surely I don't really think this is because of some bad blood between the two, but because of this the fight between Canelo Alvarez vs. Gennadiy Golovkin on September 17, up next,

I knew it mate, you are one of those waiting for this fight to happen, but there are things that are really unexpected and so they have to adjust the schedule fight to October 15 tentatively.

I thinks its more on the side of Shields because she wants to erase the stigma of her lost to Marshall when they were still two of the best amateur prospects. They have bad blood going as I have mentioned since Marshall supposedly beat Shields. Here is the video of the fight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AySU_QrrSUo. You'll be the judge as to who actually won.

[Japinat]

The money is flowing into exhibition matches because there are famous names getting involved in those matches.
They are creating a good hype for those matches and hence the tickets are being sold anything.
For example: Logan Paul vs Mayweather match was really hyped and gained a lot of attention.

For old boxers, of course, titles are no longer the main focus for them, they will offer to compete in exhibition boxing fights if the pay is worth it, as in the fight between Mayweather Vs Logan Paul which is quite sensational and strange because in terms of achievements, it is clear that the fight was not worth it, but because Paul Logan has a lot of money and his influence as a YouTuber will certainly be an attraction for the audience to watch the fight, so that Mayweather does not hesitate to accept the challenge and earn quite a lot of money eve though their boxing win record is very much different, namely Mayweather 50 wins while Paul Logan 0 wins.

That fight between Logan Paul and Mayweather is literally a straight pot of honey especially for the latter because Logan Paul is a perfect opponent in an exhibition fight, not because he has some talents in boxing and can fairly challenge Mayweather but because Logan Paul has a vast loyal fan base that will really support him whatever he does.

And for Mayweather, knowing that fact alone is already enough for him because he is already assured that their fight will bring them big revenue, and yes it happened.

[pawanjain]

The money is flowing into exhibition matches because there are famous names getting involved in those matches.
They are creating a good hype for those matches and hence the tickets are being sold anything.
For example: Logan Paul vs Mayweather match was really hyped and gained a lot of attention.

For old boxers, of course, titles are no longer the main focus for them, they will offer to compete in exhibition boxing fights if the pay is worth it, as in the fight between Mayweather Vs Logan Paul which is quite sensational and strange because in terms of achievements, it is clear that the fight was not worth it, but because Paul Logan has a lot of money and his influence as a YouTuber will certainly be an attraction for the audience to watch the fight, so that Mayweather does not hesitate to accept the challenge and earn quite a lot of money eve though their boxing win record is very much different, namely Mayweather 50 wins while Paul Logan 0 wins.

That fight between Logan Paul and Mayweather is literally a straight pot of honey especially for the latter because Logan Paul is a perfect opponent in an exhibition fight, not because he has some talents in boxing and can fairly challenge Mayweather but because Logan Paul has a vast loyal fan base that will really support him whatever he does.

And for Mayweather, knowing that fact alone is already enough for him because he is already assured that their fight will bring them big revenue, and yes it happened.

Although everyone knew the outcome and treated the match as a purely entertainment event it's still funny to know that the match ended in a draw.
This makes the point stronger that exhibition match are mostly scripted otherwise Mayweather would have been declared a winner already.

[harizen]

Yordenis Ugas Eyes Ring Return Next Year, Targets Keith Thurman, Jaron Ennis, and Vergil Ortiz

Yordenis Ugas might not have that big hype named until he beats Manny Pacquiao and got his best ever title in his entire boxing career, the WBA SuperWelterWeight title that becomes his ticket to fight in an unification match against Errol Spence Jr. who prior to their fight, holding the IBF and WBC welterweight titles. Unfortunately, he failed to win in that match and the direction of his career becomes unclear.

However, he is looking forward returning to the ring next year and some of his targets are Keith Thurman (who didn't fight have an official fight for 31 months but still managed to win unanimously against Mario Barrios on February this year), Vergil Ortiz and Jarron Enis.

Not expecting much from him but good for him to make some money before retiring.

[YuginKadoya]

I knew it mate, you are one of those waiting for this fight to happen, but there are things that are really unexpected and so they have to adjust the schedule fight to October 15 tentatively.

I thinks its more on the side of Shields because she wants to erase the stigma of her lost to Marshall when they were still two of the best amateur prospects. They have bad blood going as I have mentioned since Marshall supposedly beat Shields. Here is the video of the fight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AySU_QrrSUo. You'll be the judge as to who actually won.

It was really unexpected but it is OK, I am really waiting for it because it is an event where all fighters were fighting kittens that is why I am very excited about seeing it, but sad news happen and this sad news is the beloved queen of England and for every people in England sobbing I am also saddened by the passing of the queen, So my deepest and sincere condolences to the people of England and to the royal family,

Anyway, for me, Claressa Shields has the timing when she would land her punches but Savannah Marshall has the length and height advantage so she can easily penetrate Shields guard and space, that is why it is pretty much easy for Marshall to land those jabs, on the 1st 2 round Shield maybe conserving her energy and now moving a lot while Marshall is constantly moving, but for me, Savannah Marshall really won this fight but I guess their skill and technique had already refined so we could see a very different fight for the coming October 15,

[Russlenat]

Yordenis Ugas Eyes Ring Return Next Year, Targets Keith Thurman, Jaron Ennis, and Vergil Ortiz

A fight against Thurman would be great, and I think Thurman will win and that would make him one of the top contenders to fight the champion. Imagine, if the fight of Spence vs Crawford will not happen, then we can still see Thurman fighting one of them if the promoter will agree.

[Jawhead999]

A fight against Thurman would be great, and I think Thurman will win and that would make him one of the top contenders to fight the champion. Imagine, if the fight of Spence vs Crawford will not happen, then we can still see Thurman fighting one of them if the promoter will agree.

I'd say it's 50/50

Thurman lose against Pacquiao, but Ugas won. Ugas lose against Porter, but Thurman won.

I think the lose from Spence before will giving Ugas a good lesson because this is the first time he got KO'ed and would make him to improve his chin. However if the fight will happen, it's not surprised if Thurman will be favorite because he have better record.

[Fredomago]

Yordenis Ugas Eyes Ring Return Next Year, Targets Keith Thurman, Jaron Ennis, and Vergil Ortiz

Yordenis Ugas might not have that big hype named until he beats Manny Pacquiao and got his best ever title in his entire boxing career, the WBA SuperWelterWeight title that becomes his ticket to fight in an unification match against Errol Spence Jr. who prior to their fight, holding the IBF and WBC welterweight titles. Unfortunately, he failed to win in that match and the direction of his career becomes unclear.

However, he is looking forward returning to the ring next year and some of his targets are Keith Thurman (who didn't fight have an official fight for 31 months but still managed to win unanimously against Mario Barrios on February this year), Vergil Ortiz and Jarron Enis.

Not expecting much from him but good for him to make some money before retiring.

This will help Thurman in case the negotiation take place, a good comeback or motivation if ever he beat Ugas who beat Pacquiao who eventually beats him, the moral that Thurman may gain here is something that might push him more to come back and challenge a title holder, though it's not an easy fight as we have seen Ugas and his defensive tactics, too early to though and still needs to wait for any updates if ever a fight for Ugas will take place.

On the money side, it's a good move from his camp, if ever that he or they are planning for his retirement, having a great fight
can bring him a decent amount of money, especially if the promoters will take care of the advertisement.

A fight against Thurman would be great, and I think Thurman will win and that would make him one of the top contenders to fight the champion. Imagine, if the fight of Spence vs Crawford will not happen, then we can still see Thurman fighting one of them if the promoter will agree.

I'd say it's 50/50

Thurman lose against Pacquiao, but Ugas won. Ugas lose against Porter, but Thurman won.

I think the lose from Spence before will giving Ugas a good lesson because this is the first time he got KO'ed and would make him to improve his chin. However if the fight will happen, it's not surprised if Thurman will be favorite because he have better record.

Thurman have that capabilities it's just so happen that Pacquiao manage to bring him down from the early rounds of their fight but we have seen him fighting back though not enough to impress the judge and the fans, but if ever that they'll be able to push this possible fight, I agree that bookies will favor Thurman here, fan base maybe he will get that edge.