Boxing Speculation, Odds and Predictions

[blockman]

I hope he quick recovery back and goes to the exhibition fight as the planing. I heard Tyson Fury was also interested to meet him but the problem is the age between them is too far. if happens, seems like an unfair fight, and Mike possibly lost in 1st round. Many observers say he doesn't need to continue fighting and is better to continue to explore as a Hollywood actor.

It's better that he'll just focus on regaining his health rather than thinking of that exhibition match that he can just pass on to other interesting fights.
He just can pass on it and don't have to think of it anymore because that will affect his mental health and could also affect his recovery period. No need to think of anything else aside from healing at the moment. He's now in his golden age and even though he might say that he's still good and can have a fight after recovering, it's better to have himself on set and do something else.

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[carlisle1]

I hope he quick recovery back and goes to the exhibition fight as the planing. I heard Tyson Fury was also interested to meet him but the problem is the age between them is too far. if happens, seems like an unfair fight, and Mike possibly lost in 1st round. Many observers say he doesn't need to continue fighting and is better to continue to explore as a Hollywood actor.

It's better that he'll just focus on regaining his health rather than thinking of that exhibition match that he can just pass on to other interesting fights.
He just can pass on it and don't have to think of it anymore because that will affect his mental health and could also affect his recovery period. No need to think of anything else aside from healing at the moment. He's now in his golden age and even though he might say that he's still good and can have a fight after recovering, it's better to have himself on set and do something else.

Iron Mike needs to take care of his health and focus on how he can recover from this health issue,
no need to think about any possible exhibitions fight it won't help.

If he can gain back his health condition, instead of any exhibition fight, it's better to take chances with
acting career if there's any potential offers.

For now, I'm looking to hear great news about his fast recoveries and a normal healthy lifestyle. More on
personal help and not to overthink of his comeback inside the ring.

[YuginKadoya]

Because his chances are not the same anymore just like his power, speed and defense maneuvers. He cannot hide that fact that he is already old even if he's still fight in exhibitions, he will have the ring rust effect if he will choose to deal with the likes of Pacquiao nowadays, a May-Pac fight is profitable but knowing Mayweather, he doesn't want to get embarrassed from being defeated.

He doesn't really taste defeated ever since so what do you think he would feel if he gets defeated by Manny Pacquaio, or any boxer there is or should I say a Youtuber or an MMA fighter defeating Mayweather that level of embarrassment he would feel, because he hasn't experienced it at all, so experiencing it now could be a different effect for him, I'd say I'd really like to see that he gets embarrassed by a non-boxer inside the ring and the sports that he loves so much, I really want to see his reaction, and what would he feel,

The commission or organizations of boxing will just have a few words of condolences and a portion of financial help then that's it. Not everyone has to stop what they do because someone has gone through a tragic way of death. It's not just a few but many already and yet, the sport keeps on moving and any athlete that has chosen this path understands that this is the risk that they will take and the consequence that might occur could be tragic for them and for their family.

Well, I really get it that they really can't do a thing about the deaths in boxing and it is really hard to prevent it because combat sports are pretty much really risky, well I just really want to prevent most of the deaths but surely it can not be prevented, and I think it is time to leave it this way because nobody wants a change,

[blockman]

It's better that he'll just focus on regaining his health rather than thinking of that exhibition match that he can just pass on to other interesting fights.
He just can pass on it and don't have to think of it anymore because that will affect his mental health and could also affect his recovery period. No need to think of anything else aside from healing at the moment. He's now in his golden age and even though he might say that he's still good and can have a fight after recovering, it's better to have himself on set and do something else.

Iron Mike needs to take care of his health and focus on how he can recover from this health issue,
no need to think about any possible exhibitions fight it won't help.

If he can gain back his health condition, instead of any exhibition fight, it's better to take chances with
acting career if there's any potential offers.

For now, I'm looking to hear great news about his fast recoveries and a normal healthy lifestyle. More on
personal help and not to overthink of his comeback inside the ring.

Yes, it's a big part of recovery not to think of complex things that will make his mind worry. It's better to see him on the news and winning with his sickness rather than winning an exhibition match, at least for now.

The commission or organizations of boxing will just have a few words of condolences and a portion of financial help then that's it. Not everyone has to stop what they do because someone has gone through a tragic way of death. It's not just a few but many already and yet, the sport keeps on moving and any athlete that has chosen this path understands that this is the risk that they will take and the consequence that might occur could be tragic for them and for their family.

Well, I really get it that they really can't do a thing about the deaths in boxing and it is really hard to prevent it because combat sports are pretty much really risky, well I just really want to prevent most of the deaths but surely it can not be prevented, and I think it is time to leave it this way because nobody wants a change,

Yeah, it's already part of its book that something like that to anybody once they've chosen this path. Well, not just in boxing but also in other contact and physical sports.

[Dave1]

I hope he quick recovery back and goes to the exhibition fight as the planing. I heard Tyson Fury was also interested to meet him but the problem is the age between them is too far. if happens, seems like an unfair fight, and Mike possibly lost in 1st round. Many observers say he doesn't need to continue fighting and is better to continue to explore as a Hollywood actor.

It's better that he'll just focus on regaining his health rather than thinking of that exhibition match that he can just pass on to other interesting fights.
He just can pass on it and don't have to think of it anymore because that will affect his mental health and could also affect his recovery period. No need to think of anything else aside from healing at the moment. He's now in his golden age and even though he might say that he's still good and can have a fight after recovering, it's better to have himself on set and do something else.

I think Mike Tyson knows that, he is really getting old and so with the recent both on the hospital, for sure he will have to refocus first on his health and recover in the next couple of months instead of thinking about a potential exhibition fights.

So we will see and just like the rest of you guys, we love to see Mike Tyson in the ring again, but we will have to wait.

[TopTort777]

Why no one discussing (or havent made a topic) about Deontay Wilder vs Robert Helenius fight ? Only 3 days left. Is it because Tyson Fury has destroyed Wilder reputation after beating him twice, and people have completely forgot about this knockout artist ? There were so many knockout compilations on YouTube, and now, in two years, he is forgotten. Helenius is not a biggest boxing superstar, but 31-3 record should be taken into consideration. He is not a trashy punching bag?

[YuginKadoya]

Yeah, it's already part of its book that something like that to anybody once they've chosen this path. Well, not just in boxing but also in other contact and physical sports.

It's a physical fighting sport after all so there will be huge blows to the head, and fighting will never be the same if it's not near the head, and if they would ban hitting from the head then it is not going to be boxing anyone, at 1st I was really saying to decrease the number of rounds, but many will surely not be wanting boxing that will be just up to around 3 to 5 only, if they ban hitting to the head I really think in the heat of the battle there will be many penalties for the fighter and it could also not going to be a very good solution, upon thinking ways in preventing death from boxing I have come to a conclusion of to stop boxing ban boxing to the world, I really think that is the only option but again we can not really be done anything at all that is why it is hard,

Why no one discussing (or havent made a topic) about Deontay Wilder vs Robert Helenius fight ? Only 3 days left. Is it because Tyson Fury has destroyed Wilder reputation after beating him twice, and people have completely forgot about this knockout artist ? There were so many knockout compilations on YouTube, and now, in two years, he is forgotten. Helenius is not a biggest boxing superstar, but 31-3 record should be taken into consideration. He is not a trashy punching bag?

Actually, I am making a post right now, but you suddenly posted this, but maybe later, and there are four events that are happening within that day, October 15, 2022, and I am really preparing to post the said events, and that will be the Shields vs. Marshall: Legacy after the said cancelation of the fight because of the passing of the queen, UFC Fight Night: Grasso vs. Araujo, this is an MMA event but I am adding it as events that I will make my picks, Wilder vs. Helenius you are talking about, and Haney vs. Kambosos 2 fight that will be the same date but I guess all of this is in a different timezone, or time,

[Baofeng]

I haven't seen this discussed but I was waiting for this fight this weekend until it got postponed:

Eubank Jr. vs Benn boxing bout canceled due to drug test failure

Former IBO boxing champion Chris Eubank Jr. was set for a generational grudge match against Conor Benn on Saturday October 8th, but the fight has been scrapped at the last minute.

https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2022/10/7/23393236/boxing-drug-test-scandal-conor-benn-vs-chris-eubank-jr-cancelled-fight-news

Unfortunately, this legacy fight is cancelled because Eubank jr has been tested positive for a ban substance. And so the BBBoC has to issue and order stopping the fight. Although Matchroom and Eddie Hearn thinks that they will go and continue to his fight as unsanctioned, they just decided to postponed it for now.

I am actually glad that his fight had been canceled. I'm glad Hearn and DAZN didn't force this event to go through. I think Connor has a lot of confidence and guts but he is too small for the former super-middleweight contender. Another thing is the wide difference when it comes to experience. Chris failed to become a legit world champion but he got too much world-class experience while Connor is only an unproven prospect. Their catchweight was 157 which is only 3 pounds south of Chris' weight while 10 pounds above Connor's.

Yes, this is on a catchweight, perhaps they just wanted to have this fight to happen because of their father's history. And there is even news that Hearn wanted to proceed, but in the last minute, he decided to cancel and refund the ticket if I'm not mistaken.

And a little correction mate. It was Connor Benn who got caught with an illegal substance in his body.

Oh thanks mate, my mistake, it was Benn who has been caught with this peds in his system.

[Fredomago]

I hope he quick recovery back and goes to the exhibition fight as the planing. I heard Tyson Fury was also interested to meet him but the problem is the age between them is too far. if happens, seems like an unfair fight, and Mike possibly lost in 1st round. Many observers say he doesn't need to continue fighting and is better to continue to explore as a Hollywood actor.

It's better that he'll just focus on regaining his health rather than thinking of that exhibition match that he can just pass on to other interesting fights.
He just can pass on it and don't have to think of it anymore because that will affect his mental health and could also affect his recovery period. No need to think of anything else aside from healing at the moment. He's now in his golden age and even though he might say that he's still good and can have a fight after recovering, it's better to have himself on set and do something else.

I think Mike Tyson knows that, he is really getting old and so with the recent both on the hospital, for sure he will have to refocus first on his health and recover in the next couple of months instead of thinking about a potential exhibition fights.

So we will see and just like the rest of you guys, we love to see Mike Tyson in the ring again, but we will have to wait.

The passion of seeing him fight maybe from the glimpse of those videos he shared even at his age he still got that speed and killing form, though for now it's more on how he will take care of his health and the rest will follow, no need to expect him to be inside the ring but more on the update if how he fought from his current conditions. Fans will wait and will continue to support once he expresses his intention to make an exhibition fight. There are supporters who will buy those tickets for him.

No need to rush and if fate gives him that chance, then so be it. Let's hope and continue monitoring him while resting and taking care of his health.

[Boristhecat]

Why no one discussing (or havent made a topic) about Deontay Wilder vs Robert Helenius fight ? Only 3 days left. Is it because Tyson Fury has destroyed Wilder reputation after beating him twice, and people have completely forgot about this knockout artist ? There were so many knockout compilations on YouTube, and now, in two years, he is forgotten. Helenius is not a biggest boxing superstar, but 31-3 record should be taken into consideration. He is not a trashy punching bag?

Presumably everyone knows the outcome of this fight: Wilder's victory by knockout - is only a matter of which round. This is a practice fight and will only get attention if Wilder doesn't win it for some reason. In the same way, no one will pay much attention to any Fury fights ahead of those fights that everyone is waiting for - against Usyk or at least AJ.

[lionheart78]

Because his chances are not the same anymore just like his power, speed and defense maneuvers. He cannot hide that fact that he is already old even if he's still fight in exhibitions, he will have the ring rust effect if he will choose to deal with the likes of Pacquiao nowadays, a May-Pac fight is profitable but knowing Mayweather, he doesn't want to get embarrassed from being defeated.

On the contrary, I think Mayweather will still win if ever May-Pac fight, exhibition or not, happens.  We may see Mayweather's skill deteriorates but the same goes with Manny.  With the defensive stance of Mayweather, I believe Manny needs more energy, and quicker reflex to break Mayweather defense while Mayweather can just do what he normally do.

Why no one discussing (or havent made a topic) about Deontay Wilder vs Robert Helenius fight ? Only 3 days left. Is it because Tyson Fury has destroyed Wilder reputation after beating him twice, and people have completely forgot about this knockout artist ? There were so many knockout compilations on YouTube, and now, in two years, he is forgotten. Helenius is not a biggest boxing superstar, but 31-3 record should be taken into consideration. He is not a trashy punching bag?

We can blame that on the promoters.  Besides, there is not much of attraction there, Wilder's reputation was greatly damaged when he was beaten by Tyson Fury, and his current opponent isn't sensational.  So with lack of hype, only  a few got interested on this fight.

[KTChampions]

Why no one discussing (or havent made a topic) about Deontay Wilder vs Robert Helenius fight ? Only 3 days left. Is it because Tyson Fury has destroyed Wilder reputation after beating him twice, and people have completely forgot about this knockout artist ? There were so many knockout compilations on YouTube, and now, in two years, he is forgotten. Helenius is not a biggest boxing superstar, but 31-3 record should be taken into consideration. He is not a trashy punching bag?

We can blame that on the promoters.  Besides, there is not much of attraction there, Wilder's reputation was greatly damaged when he was beaten by Tyson Fury, and his current opponent isn't sensational.  So with lack of hype, only  a few got interested on this fight.

It is difficult for promoters to create hype after their ward has lost the most important fights and a new star has appeared on the scene - Usyk. Wilder needs to win this fight convincingly, I think 100% by KO to show that he is back in business and ready to try to get back to really big fights. Given that Fury is having trouble finding an opponent (it seems to me that he is simply afraid of Usyk), Wilder has a chance to get a fight against someone from the trio Usyk, Fury, AJ.

[harizen]

Why no one discussing (or havent made a topic) about Deontay Wilder vs Robert Helenius fight ? Only 3 days left. Is it because Tyson Fury has destroyed Wilder reputation after beating him twice, and people have completely forgot about this knockout artist ? There were so many knockout compilations on YouTube, and now, in two years, he is forgotten. Helenius is not a biggest boxing superstar, but 31-3 record should be taken into consideration. He is not a trashy punching bag?

Actually, it was being discussed (I'm not sure though if that is heavily discussed) in some boxing community discussion places e.g boxing-related groups in social media, etc. were, of course, many boxing enthusiasts are lurking there compare here. It's just that we are here in the crypto forum and even though there's a thread specifically for boxing here, most users here are sometimes not interested in a specific match even if they are boxing enthusiasts.

Referring to that fight, maybe another reason it's not getting much attention is because it's a non-title fight and obviously no titles at stake. Just my 2 cents though. Correct me if I'm wrong if that was a title fight instead but I'm sure it was a non-title match.

[Jating]

Why no one discussing (or havent made a topic) about Deontay Wilder vs Robert Helenius fight ? Only 3 days left. Is it because Tyson Fury has destroyed Wilder reputation after beating him twice, and people have completely forgot about this knockout artist ? There were so many knockout compilations on YouTube, and now, in two years, he is forgotten. Helenius is not a biggest boxing superstar, but 31-3 record should be taken into consideration. He is not a trashy punching bag?

I guess it was overshadowed by the Joshua vs Usyk fight, wherein Usyk won, and then the supposedly Fury vs Usyk or Fury vs Joshua.

And so Wilder lost his hype already, just like AJ, back to back lost. But maybe when he won big against Helenius in this comeback fight, maybe we will see his name being considered again. Specially Usyk who said he is interested in fighting Wilder next.

[Baofeng]

And for those who have been wanting a Davis vs Garcia fight, it seems the two have been teasing around their fans with cryptic message in their social media account.

But according to Garcia's manager, Oscar Dela Hoya

"It's being worked on. That's it. It's a big fight. It's a huge fight. Fights like this take forever," De La Hoya told BoxingScene.com and other reporters. "Do I feel it's going to get made? Yes - and I'm excited. But this is a huge fight with a lot of details."

https://www.boxingscene.com/de-la-hoya-on-ryan-garcia-vs-gervonta-davis-fights-like-this-take-forever--169652

So let's see how farther this negotiations and back and forth talks and hopefully we can see this fight one day.

[serjent05]

It is difficult for promoters to create hype after their ward has lost the most important fights and a new star has appeared on the scene - Usyk. Wilder needs to win this fight convincingly, I think 100% by KO to show that he is back in business and ready to try to get back to really big fights. Given that Fury is having trouble finding an opponent (it seems to me that he is simply afraid of Usyk), Wilder has a chance to get a fight against someone from the trio Usyk, Fury, AJ.

True, Wilder needs to impress the audience in order for him to regain some of his popularity and hype.  He needs to be the talk of "the town" and to do that he needs a convincing win with an extraordinary ring performance.  He must used this upcoming fight as a stepping stone in regaining the popularity and hype to be able to qualify to challenge those who hold the division titles.

Referring to that fight, maybe another reason it's not getting much attention is because it's a non-title fight and obviously no titles at stake. Just my 2 cents though. Correct me if I'm wrong if that was a title fight instead but I'm sure it was a non-title match.

Sounds logical, we all know unless the boxer is really popular, a non-title fight really has a hard time getting hype and attention from the masses.

[blockman]

I hope he quick recovery back and goes to the exhibition fight as the planing. I heard Tyson Fury was also interested to meet him but the problem is the age between them is too far. if happens, seems like an unfair fight, and Mike possibly lost in 1st round. Many observers say he doesn't need to continue fighting and is better to continue to explore as a Hollywood actor.

It's better that he'll just focus on regaining his health rather than thinking of that exhibition match that he can just pass on to other interesting fights.
He just can pass on it and don't have to think of it anymore because that will affect his mental health and could also affect his recovery period. No need to think of anything else aside from healing at the moment. He's now in his golden age and even though he might say that he's still good and can have a fight after recovering, it's better to have himself on set and do something else.

I think Mike Tyson knows that, he is really getting old and so with the recent both on the hospital, for sure he will have to refocus first on his health and recover in the next couple of months instead of thinking about a potential exhibition fights.

So we will see and just like the rest of you guys, we love to see Mike Tyson in the ring again, but we will have to wait.

Well, I'm good that he's made his legacy and left that on the ring. It's better to see him healthy and enjoy his retirement forever and it's okay for me to not see him anymore in the ring.
Well, it's a different case if he's just standing there and paying respect to the sport and receiving an award or such but not in fighting form anymore.

[LUCKMCFLY]

With the losses that he's made, that also made him realize that he's aged although he can still really box well. But age does really play a factor for athletes like in boxing.

That's right! But if only Manny Pacquiao wasn't that busy enough in his last fight then I seriously bet that the outcome of the fight would be much different and Yordenis Ugas would be the one who got defeated. Pacquiao was too busy that time he is also a senator while he is also preparing to run for presidency and then he got a fight.

I'll take your word for it too, at that time Pacquiao didn't have much time to prepare to fight him, UGAS is a boxer who takes advantage of opportunities, I'm sure that if PACQUIAO had had the opportunity to do a very intense training without thinking about political or something like that, the result would have been different, maybe some people who don't like Paquiao's style don't see that, but Pacquiao is a man who has a lot of technique, despite the defeat with Ugas I don't see it as relevant, yes It affects, because in part it tarnishes his reputation a little, but seeing it from the point of view that he is very legendary, that victory of eUGAS does not mean anything.

That was a match that was perfect timing for Ugas.

Pacquiao was doing a lot of things on that time and can't focus a lot to the sudden change that the match that he has went for.

I also think that the ending will be different if Pacquiao wasn't doing other things related to politics.

It was expected to him that no changes will happen but it had been different after all.

It is that Pacquiao should never have accepted that fight that seemed so bad to me, where the Pacquiao that we are used to seeing was not seen, for now Pacquiao is dedicating himself to exhibition fights, I think that Pacquiao for that moment accepted that He fights because he was sure he was going to do well in politics and that is why he put aside the sport that has always fed him, and he was going to join an area where everything is something more dirty and criminal (that's how I see politics) And for me, if he had at least trained with more time, he would have beaten UGAS, but from that moment it was the decline of the boxer, not even with Mayweather, but with UGAS.

I hope he quick recovery back and goes to the exhibition fight as the planing. I heard Tyson Fury was also interested to meet him but the problem is the age between them is too far. if happens, seems like an unfair fight, and Mike possibly lost in 1st round. Many observers say he doesn't need to continue fighting and is better to continue to explore as a Hollywood actor.

It's better that he'll just focus on regaining his health rather than thinking of that exhibition match that he can just pass on to other interesting fights.
He just can pass on it and don't have to think of it anymore because that will affect his mental health and could also affect his recovery period. No need to think of anything else aside from healing at the moment. He's now in his golden age and even though he might say that he's still good and can have a fight after recovering, it's better to have himself on set and do something else.

Iron Mike needs to take care of his health and focus on how he can recover from this health issue,
no need to think about any possible exhibitions fight it won't help.

If he can gain back his health condition, instead of any exhibition fight, it's better to take chances with
acting career if there's any potential offers.

For now, I'm looking to hear great news about his fast recoveries and a normal healthy lifestyle. More on
personal help and not to overthink of his comeback inside the ring.

Well, there is one thing that every boxer and I think every athlete should see very well, and that is that if you take into account when the warnings start, those "health" warnings, especially in this sport where you can even lose your life. if there is a minimum of carelessness, when it comes to high-risk sports, things can be like that, I have seen many who, by ignoring or not giving the pertinent importance to the different health warnings, of their body, have fared Very bad, I would really choose to recover 100%, an exhibition fight even requires great preparation, but even though it is not something so decisive, it requires effort and it is not advisable until I am 100% well.

[YuginKadoya]

It is difficult for promoters to create hype after their ward has lost the most important fights and a new star has appeared on the scene - Usyk. Wilder needs to win this fight convincingly, I think 100% by KO to show that he is back in business and ready to try to get back to really big fights. Given that Fury is having trouble finding an opponent (it seems to me that he is simply afraid of Usyk), Wilder has a chance to get a fight against someone from the trio Usyk, Fury, AJ.

Well, that is how boxing works, and Deontay Wilder just lost 2 times to Tyson Fury, from being undefeated and then his fans just put him in a drain or set him aside, and now they are more interested in Usyk than him, but a true Deontay Wilder fans would surely still stick to him, and Wilder will surely see who is his real fans, but now Robert Helenius is not really that well-known so that is another thing why this fight doesn't get much attention,


Now here are my picks for the upcoming Wilder vs. Helenius event I am not putting my bet for this event because of the high odds for the favorite,

Deontay Wilder VS Robert Helenius

The Stake odds for this fight are 1.12 for Wilder and 6.00 for Helenius, for this fight, it is pretty much obvious that Wilder was the favorite to win,  well this is why this fight hasn't got much attention because Robert Helenius is a nobody so my pick will be Deontay Wilder,

Caleb Plant VS Anthony Dirrell

The Stake odds for this fight are 1.09 for Plant and 7.20 for Dirrell, Caleb Plant is known that he fought Canelo Alvarez but that is it, it was a knockout lost in round 11 but with this fight with Anthony Dirrell, Plant is more convincing that he could win this over, and Dirrell has nothing to do with him so my pick will be Caleb Plant,

[TopTort777]

Why no one discussing (or havent made a topic) about Deontay Wilder vs Robert Helenius fight ? Only 3 days left. Is it because Tyson Fury has destroyed Wilder reputation after beating him twice, and people have completely forgot about this knockout artist ? There were so many knockout compilations on YouTube, and now, in two years, he is forgotten. Helenius is not a biggest boxing superstar, but 31-3 record should be taken into consideration. He is not a trashy punching bag?

Presumably everyone knows the outcome of this fight: Wilder's victory by knockout - is only a matter of which round. This is a practice fight and will only get attention if Wilder doesn't win it for some reason. In the same way, no one will pay much attention to any Fury fights ahead of those fights that everyone is waiting for - against Usyk or at least AJ.

They are heavyweights, one punch, one swing and you are done. Many did not expect that Tyson Fury would stand up after Wilder connected in 12th round in their first fight. As you have mentioned AJ and Usyk, many expected AJ to win, but he has lost, twice. Even Jake Paul is getting more attention than Wilder I find it strange. We have seen how great fighters fall down, but people still watch and discuss their fights. We have somehow missed out Wilder completely.