Boxing Speculation, Odds and Predictions

[Getmon]

^ Anyone with fair eyes can see who wins in the Taylor-Serrano fight, it really is disappointing for Serrano's side when it's clearly a fight she owned. If this is the way to prove what Jake Paul is saying is true then he does have the chance to win it. But definitely, this is not what a court would accept as evidence.

$100M seems too much for Defamation.

Nah! The Taylor-Serrano was 50/50. After their fight I thought Serrano won but I knew it was 50/50 and I cannot argue if Taylor won because there were close rounds which could be given to either of them. And Taylor is the defending champion and she is also the superstar. But Glenn Feldman was clearly over biased with his 97-93. The same his very clear over biased 115-113 on Joshua. I cannot picture out how Joshua won 7 rounds in the rematch.

I don't like Jake Paul as a fake pro boxer but I do like him as a promoter. The kid also has the guts to call out Glenn Feldman's corruption in boxing and Dana White underpaying its UFC stars.

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[Fredomago]

They will surely aim for another rematch because it can easily attract viewers and bettors. We all know that boxing fans always want to know who is the best among the best. It will also be another opportunity for Bivol but if ever he'll faces Canelo, he must have enough time to prepare because for sure, Canelo would aim for a sure victory this time.

I think the way Bivol can prove he's better than Canelo is really a strong fighter mental since not every boxers can perform as good as they can when the crowd favoring on their opponent side. If the rematch happen and Bivol still win again, I have no word to say since I believe many people will disappointed to see Canelo still not able proving he's deserve to be on light heavyweight division. It just end of Canelo era since he have beat the best boxer on his current weight, but he's bad on the next weight.

There's no discussion anymore about Bivol and Alvarez once he beat him again in their possible rematch, though we are all witness of the dominance of Alvarez in his current weight but going up to another division is not for him or he needs to take an extra step before dethroning Bivol from his current thrown.

Though Zurdo is also aiming for Bivol's belt and he also has that same intention to move up and be a champion.

It's Bivol's weight division, and he has that advantage. We saw his greatness against Alvarez, and if he continues to dominate, it will be good for his career, it will bring him more money fights.

[TopTort777]

Floyd won another exhibition match in Japan,

I have forgotten about that fight, thanks for reminding. Another easy money for Floyd. Google says that Floyd would get 20 millions if he competes and 30 if he wins that fight, and most funny, 1.5 million if he appears on a press conference. Surprisingly, this exhibition fight last more than 1 round.

Sometimes I ask myself, could this be possible if Japan mafia uses such fight for money laundering. I mean it is obvious that Floyd would win and his opponent is a complete mismatch. Paying such huge rewards for few minutes sparring? I bet Floyd did not even train for that fight.

[ChiBitCTy]

I’m just kind of curious how everyone feels about all of these exhibition type boxing matches that have been popping up all over the place? It almost feels like for the very first ever these exhibition matches are actually becoming more popular than most of the real boxing matches. 

As much as I don’t like the Paul brothers they’ve garnered a lot of attention for boxing. I also like seeing former professional athletes like with the recent Adrian Peterson vs Lebron Bell bout.

[serjent05]

I’m just kind of curious how everyone feels about all of these exhibition type boxing matches that have been popping up all over the place? It almost feels like for the very first ever these exhibition matches are actually becoming more popular than most of the real boxing matches. 

I don't mind, it is part of boxing history so I take it as it is.  Even other sports has exhibition fights.  Besides exhibition fights, help promotes sports by raising curiosity, and anticipation and solving some personal questions of many fans, the if this person fights this person, what will happen? 

Since it is labeled an exhibition fight, I do not consider it as a serious one, more like watching a circus where mismatch and scripted events may happen.   

As much as I don’t like the Paul brothers they’ve garnered a lot of attention for boxing. I also like seeing former professional athletes like with the recent Adrian Peterson vs Lebron Bell bout.

Indeed, they promote boxing in their own way and give a source of money to some washed-up athletes that used to be famous in their prime days.  If you think of it, the strategy of the Paul brothers isn't bad at all, profiting while they let their opponent earn money too.

[Ziskinberg]

No news yet about Canelo yet on whom he will likely face next because he just came out from a trilogy fight against his long rival, Golovkin. Some rumors saying that he will activate his rematch after Bivol-Ramirez fight but I guess Canelo will not activate that if Ramirez will win because Bivol won't have belts by that time.

Recent rumors are saying that Canelo might activate the rematch if Bivol succeeds on his title defense against Zurdo and that might pursue because Bivol has nothing to do afterwards as Beterbiev is currently injured and he also have his own title defense he needed to win.

Canelo having a rematch against Bivol is always on the table, I believe it is also written on their first match contract that a rematch is viable when needed.  I think it will be an interesting fight to see a rematch between the two and I am curious on the strategy Canelo's camp will implement to adjust to Bivol's strategy during their last fight.

Also, if you guys remember our past discussion on Canelo's contract, I think it was written somewhere in that said contract that Canelo will face 3 boxers this year or hopefully next year 1st quarter, we already know the 2 boxers namely Bivol and Golovkin. Now, can somebody here guess who's that 3rd boxer? Or can someone confirm that there's indeed 3rd challenger?

I think DAZN has 3 fight deal for Canelo, you already stated the two boxer, the third boxer is either of the two, Ilunga Makabu or John Ryder ( more inclined on Makabu).   It was stated in this article[1]

According to Matchroom promoter Eddie Hearn, the third fight for Canelo in December will be Ilunga Makabu or John Ryder. While some boxing fans will see those two as unworthy of

For DAZN subscribers accustomed to watching boxing as part of their monthly subscription, they’re not going to be pleased having to shell out $60 to watch Canelo fight on PPV against Bivol, Golovkin, and possibly Makabu.

[1] https://www.boxingnews24.com/2022/02/365688/

Yes, I think that's the one. We already came across that name in the previous discussion, I don't know why that fight didn't materialized but I'm inclined that one of the possible reason is that they need to test the lightweight again first before Canelo moves to cruiserweight where Makabu is. Now that Canelo has failed to defeat Bivol in LHW, he needed to pass that test first by doing a rematch because if he can't still do it then I believe there's no point in taking Makabu in CW.

In Canelo's comfortable division, he needed an extra 32 pounds to get a fight in CW, that said weight will slow down Canelo for sure and will give a huge advantage for Ilunga Makabu who holds the WBC belt. Aside from that fact, Ilunga Makabu also have the height and reach advantage, so it's like fighting with the likes of Bivol again but this time he is much slower.

[stadus]

Ok, so Eddie Hearn and Matchroom has filed a court case against Jake Paul for saying that judge ieldman is on the the pocket from Matchroom.

Hearn’s Matchroom Boxing has filed a multimillion-dollar lawsuit against the outspoken Paul, claiming defamation in a complaint filed Friday afternoon with the U.S. District Court, Southern District of New York. The case was submitted following outrageous allegations dropped by Paul, who alleged that veteran boxing judge Glenn Feldman was on Matchroom’s payroll based on his recent scoring of Taylor-Serrano on April 30 in New York City and the Oleksandr Usyk-Anthony Joshua rematch on August 20 in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia.

https://www.boxingscene.com/eddie-hearn-matchroom-boxing-file-defamation-lawsuit-against-jake-paul--169287

And Hearn is seeking $100 million as damages on the allege statement by Paul. Not sure how it will hold on court, but that number is insane and I doubt that the court will order to pay that amount in any case Eddie Hearn wins the case. So it's interesting how it will ended, or it will be settled out of court. Maybe Hearn is teaching Paul here not to messed with the big boys as far as boxing promotion is concern.

He did what now? Wow, Jake Paul really crossed the line and Eddie Hearn took it personally that's why he filed a lawsuit against Jake Paul, and I personally think that it is indeed a good move because you cannot really accuse someone when you don't have any solid evidence to support what you've said. Of course that will remain as an allegation if Jake Paul cannot provide a proof but Eddie Hearn's image as well as the Matchroom Boxing is now vandalized.

We know we're speculating about that because Canelo somehow got some help from those judges in the past but Jake Paul was way to bold to throw that statement out of the blue

[btc_angela]

Floyd won another exhibition match in Japan,

I have forgotten about that fight, thanks for reminding. Another easy money for Floyd. Google says that Floyd would get 20 millions if he competes and 30 if he wins that fight, and most funny, 1.5 million if he appears on a press conference. Surprisingly, this exhibition fight last more than 1 round.

Damn, 20 - 30 million is a dream money fight for some of the elite boxers that we have right now, Canelo is still the cash cow, but GGG get around that money fighting him. So just imagine those lower weight class champion, I doubt that they can get around how much Floyd is making in exhibition fight in like 6 minutes.

Sometimes I ask myself, could this be possible if Japan mafia uses such fight for money laundering. I mean it is obvious that Floyd would win and his opponent is a complete mismatch. Paying such huge rewards for few minutes sparring? I bet Floyd did not even train for that fight.

Or why it is that Japan or Rizin si really fond of Floyd and giving him such huge money? Are they getting their money in return from sponsoring Floyd's fight? Why not get ex-boxers to come out and have some exhibitions fights as well?

[serjent05]

Floyd won another exhibition match in Japan,

I have forgotten about that fight, thanks for reminding. Another easy money for Floyd. Google says that Floyd would get 20 millions if he competes and 30 if he wins that fight, and most funny, 1.5 million if he appears on a press conference. Surprisingly, this exhibition fight last more than 1 round.

Damn, 20 - 30 million is a dream money fight for some of the elite boxers that we have right now, Canelo is still the cash cow, but GGG get around that money fighting him. So just imagine those lower weight class champion, I doubt that they can get around how much Floyd is making in exhibition fight in like 6 minutes.

That is the power of being a legendary  businessman, err, a legendary and a hall of fame boxer.  It isn't easy for Floyd Maywether Jr.  to get where he is right now.  He invested almost his lifetime in building his reputation and fame.  So he is just reaping what he has sawn in his early years.

The problem is those lower class champion doesn't know how to do business.  they just put their fate on their promoters and manager who in turn actually reaping huge reward from them.

Sometimes I ask myself, could this be possible if Japan mafia uses such fight for money laundering. I mean it is obvious that Floyd would win and his opponent is a complete mismatch. Paying such huge rewards for few minutes sparring? I bet Floyd did not even train for that fight.

Or why it is that Japan or Rizin si really fond of Floyd and giving him such huge money? Are they getting their money in return from sponsoring Floyd's fight?

It is either of the two, anything is possible but we can't say that they are true because we are just speculating at this point.  Probably they are earning somehow because they won't do this kind of sponsoring again and again if they are on the losing end.

Why not get ex-boxers to come out and have some exhibition fights as well?

Simple reason, they are not as controversial and as popular as Floyd Mayweather Jr.  Not saying Floyd has a perfect record, something that is worth bragging and worth breaking.

[dunfida]

I’m just kind of curious how everyone feels about all of these exhibition type boxing matches that have been popping up all over the place? It almost feels like for the very first ever these exhibition matches are actually becoming more popular than most of the real boxing matches. 

As much as I don’t like the Paul brothers they’ve garnered a lot of attention for boxing. I also like seeing former professional athletes like with the recent Adrian Peterson vs Lebron Bell bout.

Its all about money and a business at the same time and this is where they do make out some considerations on making these exhibition fights in between fighters which arent that pure boxers or simply crossing
on sports which they arent specialized into or something that just simply a pure youtuber. It do really sucks on seeing this but surprisingly there is really a demand into it and this is why we do still
continue to see different arrangement in between those people as long those people are well known or popular then they could really milk out money from people.

[agustina2]

Take note that Manny is amongst the crowd though, so maybe after his match against a South korean and then against his former sparring partner, he might go to Japan as well like Floyd and fight.

Saw this on news a few days ago where Manny Pacquiao is showing some support to his former foe Floyd Mayweather Jr.

Legacy doesn't matter to Mayweather as long as he is receiving money while on retirement.

Any information how much he got from this exhibition match?

[YuginKadoya]

It will definitely going to increase.

He's got already a line up of match and I guess more offers would to come him since the promoters are now aware that he's still in but anymore with the pro matches.

I guess some offers are still on it that asks him to still have that matches for the pro boxing and promoters are ready to fill that for him.

But, it all depends on him as it seems that he's good and okay with the exhibitions.

For me, I am OK with seeing him in an exhibition match now that he is not in his prime anymore, it is pretty much for a Manny Pacquiao to just be having some exhibition match with Floyd Mayweather that has recently knocked out a Japanese MMA fighter, I think this is the best rematch for them now that they are both retired, a fitting match to watch Floyd Mayweather despite his age he still showing speed and that Knockout was really amazing aswell,

Canelo said that he will not be fighting Benavidez yet, as he doesn't bring any on the table.

And I believed that before his contract with Matchroom or DAZN ends, he will definitely go for a 5th title, so most likely he will go CW to get another belt.

As for Floyd's technical abilities, yes I do agree with @lionheart78, inside the ring he is one of the best complete fighter that we have seen, specially his defensive skills. From 130-147 lbs, he dominated everyone with his technical skills. But as far as outside the ring and his personality, then it's a different story.

Did you see Floyd Mayweather VS Mikuru Asakura it was a great match to watch even though Asakura is not really a boxer or an MMA fighter he is hitting Floyd Mayweather he is hitting him with big shots, and even though this is only an Exhibition match it was a freaking war between the two, Mayweather still got that moves, and when you hit him he sometimes try to get you in with poker face you would think he is hurt but it truth he is just acting it out for his opponent to think of lowering his defense for Mayweather to retaliate, this is still Floyd Mayweather's world but still salute for Mikuru Asakura for landing big punches on Floyd,

[Fredomago]

Take note that Manny is amongst the crowd though, so maybe after his match against a South korean and then against his former sparring partner, he might go to Japan as well like Floyd and fight.

Saw this on news a few days ago where Manny Pacquiao is showing some support to his former foe Floyd Mayweather Jr.

Legacy doesn't matter to Mayweather as long as he is receiving money while on retirement.

Any information how much he got from this exhibition match?

From what I understand it's the opposite Pacquiao show support to Asakura who flew from Japan to PH to be trained by Pacquiao's camp, they've got some press con though, Mayweather and Pacquiao and we never know if they will have their own version of an exhibition together, I'm sure even it's just an exhibition fans will love to see them stepping inside the ring.

Though from the statement of Mayweather he's trying to tell Pacquiao not to listen to someone who is telling him to ask for another fight against him, as he is assuring that Pacquiao will have that same outcome.

A drama to attract fans' attention I guess? Maybe they are trying to bring more hypes if in case there's something that they
are trying to cook behind the door.

[Baofeng]

Floyd won another exhibition match in Japan,

Sometimes I ask myself, could this be possible if Japan mafia uses such fight for money laundering. I mean it is obvious that Floyd would win and his opponent is a complete mismatch. Paying such huge rewards for few minutes sparring? I bet Floyd did not even train for that fight.

Good question, and it makes me wonder as well where are they going the money from?

https://www.fightsports.tv/rizin-president-accused-of-ties-to-japanese-organized-crime/

Accusations have once again hindered head of RIZIN, Nobuyuki Sakakibara.

The official reason is unclear, but Karaev Paul reported that Sakakibara mentioned tabloids from May – that has accused him of being linked to organized crime – as a possible reason for losing the deal.

This accusations have been mostly in the media, but so far no evidences have surfaced. But then again, it's boils down to the question, that there could be ties but it's hard to proved.

Floyd is getting $20-$30 million per fight deal with Rizin.

[YuginKadoya]

From what I understand it's the opposite Pacquiao show support to Asakura who flew from Japan to PH to be trained by Pacquiao's camp, they've got some press con though, Mayweather and Pacquiao and we never know if they will have their own version of an exhibition together, I'm sure even it's just an exhibition fans will love to see them stepping inside the ring.

Though from the statement of Mayweather he's trying to tell Pacquiao not to listen to someone who is telling him to ask for another fight against him, as he is assuring that Pacquiao will have that same outcome.

A drama to attract fans' attention I guess? Maybe they are trying to bring more hypes if in case there's something that they
are trying to cook behind the door.

Yup! Manny Pacquiao was really not there so that he and Mayweather will have their own Exhibition match, he was there to give his support to Floyd's opponent and that is Mikuru Asakura, but what happened is Floyd Mayweather knockout Mikuru Asakura in front of Manny Pacquiao that is one epic win for Mayweather it is like giving a message to Pacquaio that you can not win against me,

But that Press Conference has some hidden message on Pacman and Floyd, it is like Floyd's teasing Pacquiao that he is not going to win against him, and knowing Pacquiao who never backs down will surely submit to these insults or he even knows that Pacquaio will not be going to be caught with that petty teasing, or he is just trying to tease Pacquaio if he's going to bite that to fight him, we can never know unless both boxers will surely comply, but many fans will surely love to see that,

On the Contrary next big event was on October 15, and this is a title fight between Devin Haney vs. George Kambosos Jr. pretty much it is really close,

[LGD2Business]

Floyd won another exhibition match in Japan,

The 45-year-old Mayweather dropped Asakura just before the bell sounded to end the second round. He tried to get up, but the southpaw couldn’t quite beat referee Kenny Bayless’ count before it reached 10.

Mayweather won in the main event of a Rizin pay-per-view show at Saitama Super Arena.

https://www.boxingscene.com/floyd-mayweather-drops-stops-mikuru-asakura-end-2nd-round-exhibition--169302

So another mismatch fight for Floyd and another easy money for him as he knock out Asakura in the second round.

Take note that Manny is amongst the crowd though, so maybe after his match against a South korean and then against his former sparring partner, he might go to Japan as well like Floyd and fight.

I watched the match. Japanese guy wasn't even the professional boxer opposite Floyd Mayweather. The man is a Youtuber. Of course, such people don't stand a chance against Money Mayweather. The exhibition match was supposed to last 3 rounds, but at the end of the 2nd round, Money Mayweather knocked out his opponent. In fact, he was also surprised because he didn't expect such a knockdown at the last second. I thought we were going to watch the last round of the match.
Still, it was a fun night. Manny Pacquiao was also one of the guests and Floyd spoke very highly of him. From what I heard, Floyd Mayweather won 15-20 million dollars from this match. It's very easy money for him.
It wasn't pleasant for the Japanese to throw the flower on the ground while the flowers were being presented at the beginning of the match. I guess that was part of the show too.

[Kasabus]

Ok, so Eddie Hearn and Matchroom has filed a court case against Jake Paul for saying that judge ieldman is on the the pocket from Matchroom.

Hearn’s Matchroom Boxing has filed a multimillion-dollar lawsuit against the outspoken Paul, claiming defamation in a complaint filed Friday afternoon with the U.S. District Court, Southern District of New York. The case was submitted following outrageous allegations dropped by Paul, who alleged that veteran boxing judge Glenn Feldman was on Matchroom’s payroll based on his recent scoring of Taylor-Serrano on April 30 in New York City and the Oleksandr Usyk-Anthony Joshua rematch on August 20 in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia.

https://www.boxingscene.com/eddie-hearn-matchroom-boxing-file-defamation-lawsuit-against-jake-paul--169287

And Hearn is seeking $100 million as damages on the allege statement by Paul. Not sure how it will hold on court, but that number is insane and I doubt that the court will order to pay that amount in any case Eddie Hearn wins the case. So it's interesting how it will ended, or it will be settled out of court. Maybe Hearn is teaching Paul here not to messed with the big boys as far as boxing promotion is concern.

I'm not siding with anyone, but it seems that Jake Paul has really crossed the line, I can't recall anyone with the likes of Bob Arum or Don King saying this in public.

Perhaps even if he won this in the court, perhaps he should be careful next time. And yes, Hearn sending a signal not just to Paul but to anyone, this is business, it's cut-throat competition, but you don't have to resort to this things to bad mouth your competition. Jake Paul should have known better.

Jake Paul could have filed a complaint against the judge and should have not spoken those things in public.  Jake Paul doesn't have enough evidence to back up his claim that the judge is under Matchroom's payroll.  That is clear defamation.  Jake Paul should have thought that anything he say would affect the business and reputation of Matchroom, now he is facing a $100m defamation case i wonder how he counters this lawsuit.

$100M seems too much for Defamation.

Depends on possible damage to the reputation of the complainant.  It is said that Matchroom is valued between $739 million and $862 million[1] so pretty much that $100m is too low if ever those statement of Jake Paul ruins that $700m company.


[1] https://frontofficesports.com/matchroom-sport-in-talks-to-sell-minority-stake-worth-215m/

He could but it's nonsense because why would Jake Paul file a complaint against judge Glenn Feldman? He wasn't a victim, nor he was in that fight where Glenn Feldman was biased. It's like filing a complaint to a car driver that didn't do some damage to you. In short, Jake Paul have crossed the line and he didn't expect that Eddie Hearn will file a lawsuit for that. This will be lesson for Jake Paul not to mess with the big boy's league.

That $100 Million might be just enough to cover the damage of what Jake Paul did for the image of Eddie Hearn and the Matchroom Boxing, the court will likely side with the plaintiff for this instance.

[serjent05]

From what I understand it's the opposite Pacquiao show support to Asakura who flew from Japan to PH to be trained by Pacquiao's camp, they've got some press con though, Mayweather and Pacquiao and we never know if they will have their own version of an exhibition together, I'm sure even it's just an exhibition fans will love to see them stepping inside the ring.

It is normal to show support to the person who trains under you, and that is why Manny is present on that fight.  But regardless of the reason, it will give an impact having Manny Pacquiao watching an exhibition fight showing that the Legendary boxer supports such kind of activity.

Though from the statement of Mayweather he's trying to tell Pacquiao not to listen to someone who is telling him to ask for another fight against him, as he is assuring that Pacquiao will have that same outcome.

Even though I wanted Manny to beat Mayweather Jr.  I have to agree with what Mayweather is saying.  Manny isn't as explosive as when they first fight. The boxing style of Manny needs a lot of speed and stamina which somehow I think deteriorated as Pacquiao gets passed his prime.  While Mayweather's boxing is still solid since it does not need much mobility just some good reflexes to counter or beat the opponent in the speed of launching attacks.  Most of these punches don't carry much power and are used to score a point.  And of course, having Bayless as the referee will ensure Mayweather's win.   Since Bayless doesn't allow too much infighting and tends to break fighters apart to avoid brawls.

A drama to attract fans' attention I guess? Maybe they are trying to bring more hypes if in case there's something that they
are trying to cook behind the door.

We can consider that as is but I think Mayweather isn't saying that for hype rather he believes he can really beat Manny now after evading him for many years, just like what he does before their first fight.

[agustina2]

Floyd is getting $20-$30 million per fight deal with Rizin.

What an awesome contract for the fact that Mayweather is now retired. Actually, way better than he is earning compare to some of his professional fights. Also much higher compared to the contract of active boxers today even though they are holding a boxing title.

That reason alone is enough for Mayweather to just ignore his critics and don't bother with his legacy as long as he is earning big money.

As he said before during his controversial win against Ortiz - A win is a Win.

[YuginKadoya]

I watched the match. Japanese guy wasn't even the professional boxer opposite Floyd Mayweather. The man is a Youtuber. Of course, such people don't stand a chance against Money Mayweather. The exhibition match was supposed to last 3 rounds, but at the end of the 2nd round, Money Mayweather knocked out his opponent. In fact, he was also surprised because he didn't expect such a knockdown at the last second. I thought we were going to watch the last round of the match.
Still, it was a fun night. Manny Pacquiao was also one of the guests and Floyd spoke very highly of him. From what I heard, Floyd Mayweather won 15-20 million dollars from this match. It's very easy money for him.
It wasn't pleasant for the Japanese to throw the flower on the ground while the flowers were being presented at the beginning of the match. I guess that was part of the show too.

He may be a Youtuber, but he got decent records in Rizin and even though he is not a pure boxer you can see his boxing side that he can surely fight he has a prominent style that he is very likely familiar with and that is Karate, Boxing and BJJ and he is a purple belt on Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, but he surely wants to brawl we can say Floyd Mayweather always have the upper hand here because he is well versed with his boxing and the match rules were on boxing so this prohibits Asakura most of his technique, so even though the two is not entering the ring Mayweather got the advantage,

The flower was just part of the show but it was really an insult to Mayweather, and I think out of respect Mayweather just picks up the flowers, but I think deep inside he is really upset because Floyd's fight patterns were off he does not see his usual Philly shell defense but was trying to brawl with Mikuru Asakura he surely wants a knockout in this match, and that is why Asakura has seen he also make some heavy blows on Mayweather, but as the fight goes definitely Floyd Mayweather is really aiming for a knockout,