Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]

[af_newbie]

More evidence of Russian forces killing civilians and looting: https://edition.cnn.com/2022/05/11/europe/ukraine-video-russian-soldiers-shoot-civilians/index.html

The video from the CNN report raises a lot of questions if you start to analyze it in detail.
As a result, it seems that frames from different time periods were taken and mixed with each other.

There are two versions of CNN's coverage of the event: on the CNN website and on YouTube.
For scene timing, I will use the one posted on YouTube, as there is a more convenient player, in my opinion.

Video
00:40 The shadows in the very beginning of the scene are in front of people
00:45 In the shooting scene, the shadows are already shifted to the left of the people, at a noticeable angle. But the CNN report gives the impression that only a few seconds elapsed between these two scenes.



01:18 A suspicious white civilian car with the inscription "Tank Special Forces V RUS". According to a Russian military expert: 1) the Russian Federation doesn't have such a unit; 2) none of the military would let such a transport through; 3) it is extremely dangerous to drive such vehicles in a war zone, as there is a great vulnerability to any type of small arms.



01:57 In the upper frame, a yellow car is visible standing outside the gate, but in the lower frames (supposedly filmed at the same moment), this car is not visible.



Many of the shots have the date cut off. On a few scenes the dates are visible, but they change from Friday to Saturday and from Saturday to Friday. The frame with the word "FRI" (Friday) is not fully visible in the Youtube footage, but it is on the CNN home site, watch the video from 2 minutes 19 seconds.



More information is in the detailed analysis of this video in English.

Also, in early May 2022, the NYPost published an article providing additional food for thought: "Biden’s new press secretary sparks conflict-of-interest concerns over relationship with CNN’s Suzanne Malveaux".

Maybe Putin does not exist because you did not see him in person. How about Australia? Or the globe? Earth is probably flat and Americans never went to the moon, lol.

Maybe Russia did not attack Ukraine. Maybe it is all fake propaganda perpetuated by gay drug addicts at the CIA?

Maybe dead Russian soldiers are just actors hired by an international cabal of Nazis.

Maybe Russian soldiers are protecting civilians from evil, global Nazisism.

Maybe there are green mice living on the moon.  You never know.

This is what actually happened:

Russia invaded Ukraine because it wanted to annex the territory of Ukraine and Russify the land by exterminating Ukrainians and any anti-
Russia elements.  Then it planned to install nuclear warheads closer to the Polish border and install air-defense systems all over Ukraine.
Russia wanted to get the farmland, resources, and full control of the Black Sea. All under the disguise of 'protecting the Russian speakers'.

BTW, Russian army have been raping, killing and torturing Ukraininan Russian speakers by truckload.

[BADecker]

Maybe Putin does not exist because you did not see him in person. How about Australia? Or the globe? Earth is probably flat and Americans never went to the moon, lol.

Maybe Russia did not attack Ukraine. Maybe it is all fake propaganda perpetuated by gay drug addicts at the CIA?

Maybe dead Russian soldiers are just actors hired by an international cabal of Nazis.

Maybe Russian soldiers are protecting civilians from evil, global Nazisism.

Maybe there are green mice living on the moon.  You never know.

This is what actually happened:

Russia invaded Ukraine because it wanted to annex the territory of Ukraine and Russify the land by exterminating Ukrainians and any anti-
Russia elements.  Then it planned to install nuclear warheads closer to the Polish border and install air-defense systems all over Ukraine.
Russia wanted to get the farmland, resources, and full control of the Black Sea. All under the disguise of 'protecting the Russian speakers'.

BTW, the have been raping, killing and torturing Russian speakers by the truckload.

You really need to lay of the alcohol while you are posting in here, af_newbie. I mean, fictional war ideas are okay. And alcohol is okay. But mixing them makes you sound kinda funny.

All the things that you say Russia was planning, are the things the US and NATO are doing.

And you even admit that Ukranians "have been raping, killing and torturing Russian"s ... "by the truckload."

Looks totally like Russia isn't the aggressor, but the US is. Thanks for pointing this truth out to us.

[TwitchySeal]

Video
00:40 The shadows in the very beginning of the scene are in front of people
00:45 In the shooting scene, the shadows are already shifted to the left of the people, at a noticeable angle. But the CNN report gives the impression that only a few seconds elapsed between these two scenes.

Looks like the ground is sloped.  Shadows make sense with perspective of second angle when you watch it.  

Reminds me of the dead body moving in bucha claim https://twitter.com/Shayan86/status/1510698253964222464

You guys are too gullible.

[suchmoon]

The video from the CNN report raises a lot of questions if you start to analyze it in detail.
As a result, it seems that frames from different time periods were taken and mixed with each other.

Again the damn Ukrainians infiltrated Russian-occupied territory to fake a video so that they could post it two months later

[Tash]

Did not know Ukraine is such a rich country

[tvbcof]

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Epic levels of failure continue:


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Rumor is that it was a failed Ukrainian crossing attempt so of course they tried to pass it off as a win.  Wanna know how to tell that something is fake and gay?  Easy: just look if it's published in the Western mainstream press.

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Russians have fun with a new toy:

Azovstal: Russians are using captured Azov combat vehicles to attack them with; Reporter Sladkov
https://www.bitchute.com/video/k1adviMikMqD/

'Still got that new car smell!"

[suchmoon]

Rumor is that it was a failed Ukrainian crossing attempt so of course they tried to pass it off as a win.

Yes, Ukrainians teleported to the Russian side of the river to conduct a failed crossing attempt. Makes perfect sense in Putinland.

[paxmao]

You guys might want to check BADeckers post history so you know what you're getting into if you intend to keep engaging.  Just pick a few random pages from the list of topics he's started...

I have read his answers and "points of view". There is not much to engage about I agree. It is a flatline propaganda replayer. Even be.open tries to be a bit creative.

Did not know Ukraine is such a rich country
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False, Zelensky did not "make" 100 million... but let's speak about Putin's fortune, all made by stealing it from the Russian people. How much is currently Putin's cut for a general purpose business?

[Veleor]

Yes, Ukrainians teleported to the Russian side of the river to conduct a failed crossing attempt. Makes perfect sense in Putinland.

As I understand it, you are discussing the battle for the crossing of the Seversky Donets River?
If so, then on May 12, General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine reported that in the Liman direction the Russian troops crossed the Seversky Donets River to bring in the main forces and carry out the offensive.

https://twitter.com/Blue_Sauron/status/1524742847664173057

Why are the photos taken at a distance and why are no bodies visible? There is an analysis of these images in Russian, where the author comes to the conclusion that both sides suffered losses, and not just the Russian army. Given the summary of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine dated May 12, 2022, this sounds plausible.

False, Zelensky did not "make" 100 million...

Zelensky earned much more.

Code:

Zelensky owns a fortune:
various estimates put it at around 850 million.
He didn't get most of this until after he took office as president.
So where does that money come from?
And more importantly, where is it going?

https://twitter.com/fvdemocratie/status/1518534232397787138

Maybe

I saw your posts that
- Russian culture will be permanently erased from Ukraine
- Russians are animals
- All Russian soldiers, their collaborators, and their families will be liquidated, one by one.
To dot the i's, can you please tell us what is your opinion about the UPA (Ukrainian Insurgent Army) during World War II and Stepan Bandera? Are they heroes or war criminals?

[TwitchySeal]

Why are the photos taken at a distance

Because the camera that captured them was at a distance.
Just a guess, maybe Ukranians didn't want to go somewhere, or send their drone somewhere that could easily be blown up.  They don't train them like they do in Russia.

and why are no bodies visible?

Probably some in the tanks that still have their lids on. And the guys that were in the tanks that got blown open are no longer a single piece of human anymore.  I suppose it's reasonable to assume that some could've ended up down the river also.

I saw your posts that
- Russian culture will be permanently erased from Ukraine

Russian culture is already being erased from countries all over the world.  The world is largely disgusted by Russia right now.  The only silver lining really is that Putin has brought great Unity to the world, the kind we haven't experienced in a very long time, probably since the actual Victory day when WW2 ended.

As the good Vladimir said, "very soon there will be two Victory Days, and someone will not have even one left."

To dot the i's, can you please tell us what is your opinion about the UPA (Ukrainian Insurgent Army) during World War II and Stepan Bandera? Are they heroes or war criminals?

To cross the t's.  Thoughts on Stalin?

[suchmoon]

Yes, Ukrainians teleported to the Russian side of the river to conduct a failed crossing attempt. Makes perfect sense in Putinland.

As I understand it, you are discussing the battle for the crossing of the Seversky Donets River?
If so, then on May 12, General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine reported that in the Liman direction the Russian troops crossed the Seversky Donets River to bring in the main forces and carry out the offensive.

Look at the map. Siverskyi Donets is all over the place. The thrice-failed Russian crossing with 70-80 pieces of equipment lost was near Bilohorivka. They might have successfully crossed the same river elsewhere, but that doesn't contradict the massive failure at that particular spot.

False, Zelensky did not "make" 100 million...

Zelensky earned much more.

Random tweet saying so doesn't make it so.

What Russian propaganda doesn't realize (and it doesn't matter of course, since this nonsense is for internal consumption in Russia, where everything that comes out of Kremlin is the holy truth) is that Zelensky is just one person in a democratically-elected government, something that Russia hasn't had for decades. Trying to make him look like a corrupt drug addict doesn't mean anything. Ukrainians could elect someone else and the result would still be largely the same. Putin angered an entire nation of 40 million, not one person.


Edit:

Meanwhile in Mariupol - according to random bits of information collected from telegram, so take it with salt and pepper - invaders tried turn water and power on... with predictable results: water spilling into the streets and fires in apartment buildings. Sewer system isn't working either, so even where water main is not broken it will likely end up with sewage backups. Who could have possibly known that it's easier to bomb the city than to actually make it function.

[TwitchySeal]

False, Zelensky did not "make" 100 million...

Zelensky earned much more.

Random tweet saying so doesn't make it so.

We should also take a moment and appreciate the irony in someone defending Russia implying that because the president of a country being invaded by Russia is rich means they are bad.

[paxmao]

False, Zelensky did not "make" 100 million...

Zelensky earned much more.

Random tweet saying so doesn't make it so.

We should also take a moment and appreciate the irony in someone defending Russia implying that because the president of a country being invaded by Russia is rich means they are bad.

Particularly coming from Putin. The guy is got assets all over the world and, allegedly even a full sized real-emperor like palace in Russia.

Apart, it is clearly a kleptocratic and corrupt regime and it cannot  be otherwise because all the check and balances that need to be there and need to be cared for by the people have been demolished. All that's left in Putin's Russia is gangsterism.

[TwitchySeal]

RUSSIAN OFFENSIVE CAMPAIGN ASSESSMENT, MAY 14
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-may-14

The Ukrainian destruction of significant elements of a Russian motorized rifle brigade that tried to cross a pontoon bridge over the Siverskyi Donets River on May 11 has shocked prominent Russian milbloggers. Those bloggers have begun commenting on the incompetence of the Russian military to their hundreds of thousands of followers. The attempted river crossing showed a stunning lack of tactical sense as satellite images show (destroyed) Russian vehicles tightly bunched up at both ends of the (destroyed) bridge, clearly allowing Ukrainian artillerymen to kill hundreds and destroy scores of vehicles with concentrated strikes. The milbloggers who have hitherto been cheering on the Russian military criticized Russian armed forces leadership for failing to learn from experience in the war. They also expressed the concern that the constant pushing of Russia’s propaganda lines was making it hard for them to understand what was actually going on.

The effects of this change in tone and discourse by these milbloggers are uncertain but could be potent. People living under tightly censored regimes often trust individuals who seem to be independent of but generally aligned with the government more than the government line (even more than do citizens of democratic societies). The commentary by these widely read milbloggers may fuel burgeoning doubts in Russia about Russia’s prospects in this war and the competence of Russia’s military leaders (at least).

The destruction of the motorized rifle elements may also severely disrupt Russian efforts to isolate Severodonetsk and Lysychansk from the north. Russian troops made no attempts to advance in that area in the last 24 hours.


Key Takeaways

Catastrophic Russian losses in a failed river crossing and the military incompetence displayed in that crossing have shaken the confidence of some prominent Russian milbloggers.
Russian forces continue shaping operations for the Battle of Severodonetsk from the south even though those losses have at least temporarily disrupted their efforts from the north.
Ukrainian forces announced that they will conduct a counteroffensive around Izyum.
Russian forces continued to withdraw from northern Kharkiv Oblast, but will likely seek to hold a line defending their ground lines of communication from Belgorod via Vovchansk to Izyum.

Yuri Podolyaka, Russian blogger with 2 million+ telegram channel
https://t.me/yurasumy/3510

“I’ve been keeping quiet for a long time,

“The last straw that overwhelmed my patience was the events around Bilohorivka, where due to stupidity — I emphasize, because of the stupidity of the Russian command — at least one battalion tactical group was burned, possibly two.

“Yes, I understand that it’s impossible for there to be no problems in war, But when the same problems go on for three months, and nothing seems to be changing, then I personally and in fact millions of citizens of the Russian Federation start to have questions for these leaders of the military operation.”

Vladlen Tatarski
https://t.me/vladlentatarsky/13591

[LTU_btc]

I'm not really sure from where exactly this narrative about hundreds of millions $ of Zelensky come. Dif someone provided more solid proof than some random tweet? In fact, he isn't poor, he is millionaire, made money from comedy and TV production, but these numbers like $850 million or $1.4 billion is just ridiculous:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattdurot/2022/04/20/president-zelensky-is-not-a-billionaire-so-how-much-is-he-worth/?sh=28ea84855bb0

Particularly coming from Putin. The guy is got assets all over the world and, allegedly even a full sized real-emperor like palace in Russia.

No no, Putin isn't rich at atll, according to his officilal disclosure. How he can lie to us:
https://qz.com/1594989/vladimir-putins-financial-disclosure-claims-little-wealth/

Vladimir Putin’s latest financial disclosure has been posted on the Kremlin website, showing the Russian president earned roughly $135,000 in 2018 from his official salary, a military pension, interest on savings, and investment gains.

Putin reports owning an 830 square-foot apartment in Saint Petersburg, along with a 193 square-foot garage, as well as use of a 1,600 square-foot flat in Moscow. He claims to have two vintage Volga GAZ M21 sedans (in the $14,000–$16,000 range on eBay) as well as a Lada Niva SUV (which starts at about $6,800, new) and a retro-fabulous Skif tent trailer, which goes for about $900.

[PrimeNumber7]

I'm not really sure from where exactly this narrative about hundreds of millions $ of Zelensky come. Dif someone provided more solid proof than some random tweet? In fact, he isn't poor, he is millionaire, made money from comedy and TV production, but these numbers like $850 million or $1.4 billion is just ridiculous:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattdurot/2022/04/20/president-zelensky-is-not-a-billionaire-so-how-much-is-he-worth/?sh=28ea84855bb0

There is no doubt a lot of corruption in Ukraine. I don't know if the $800mm figure is accurate or not. In either case, it does not change the fact that he is the elected president of Ukraine.

Particularly coming from Putin. The guy is got assets all over the world and, allegedly even a full sized real-emperor like palace in Russia.

No no, Putin isn't rich at atll, according to his officilal disclosure. How he can lie to us:
https://qz.com/1594989/vladimir-putins-financial-disclosure-claims-little-wealth/

Vladimir Putin’s latest financial disclosure has been posted on the Kremlin website, showing the Russian president earned roughly $135,000 in 2018 from his official salary, a military pension, interest on savings, and investment gains.

Putin reports owning an 830 square-foot apartment in Saint Petersburg, along with a 193 square-foot garage, as well as use of a 1,600 square-foot flat in Moscow. He claims to have two vintage Volga GAZ M21 sedans (in the $14,000–$16,000 range on eBay) as well as a Lada Niva SUV (which starts at about $6,800, new) and a retro-fabulous Skif tent trailer, which goes for about $900.

Putin has a lot of money. In the billions of dollars, although much of it is likely currently inaccessible due to sanctions. A good deal of his money is held by family members and is not held directly in his name. It has been argued that if the West were to disclose the scope of Putin's wealth, that he may lose many of "normal" Russian people.

[suchmoon]

Putin has a lot of money. In the billions of dollars, although much of it is likely currently inaccessible due to sanctions. A good deal of his money is held by family members and is not held directly in his name. It has been argued that if the West were to disclose the scope of Putin's wealth, that he may lose many of "normal" Russian people.

Most Russian people wouldn't know or care about anything disclosed by "the West". Many already know and still don't care. Corruption in Russia is not really a secret to anyone, nor are the yachts and palaces of oligarchs or Putin himself.

[paxmao]

Putin has a lot of money. In the billions of dollars, although much of it is likely currently inaccessible due to sanctions. A good deal of his money is held by family members and is not held directly in his name. It has been argued that if the West were to disclose the scope of Putin's wealth, that he may lose many of "normal" Russian people.

Most Russian people wouldn't know or care about anything disclosed by "the West". Many already know and still don't care. Corruption in Russia is not really a secret to anyone, nor are the yachts and palaces of oligarchs or Putin himself.

The investigation was done by Navalny and is still on his web, though I reckon that all efforts have been done to link the guy with "the West" to put is softly https://www.rferl.org/a/navalny-putin-palace/31052807.html

The investigation -- A Palace For Putin -- alleges the luxurious estate on the Black Sea's exclusive Gelendzhik Bay cost at least 100 billion rubles ($1.35 billion).

So the guys are posting propaganda about Zelensky based on tweets while they have just this under their noses. Putin, was not born rich. You know where this comes from, don't you?











I am not the I told you guy.... do not die for Putin while he robs the Russ people.

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This is what Russian Young and unready soldiers are going to be facing. Several batteries of this scary toys to be wiping out regiments in minutes.
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They did not listen... Hundreds where wiped out so that Putin can keep on the rebuilding works in his Imperial Throne (the mould infestation is just pure karma).

This the SAM defence of Belgorod (I cannot myself confirm), now working full time. Yes, that is Russian territory - not like "Transnistria" or Crimea, it is the Rodina.

https://t.me/belgorod_informant/405

[suchmoon]

This the SAM defence of Belgorod (I cannot myself confirm), now working full time. Yes, that is Russian territory - not like "Transnistria" or Crimea, it is the Rodina.

https://t.me/belgorod_informant/405

Beautiful. I hope Ukrainians are getting a good exchange rate on this, like a $50k decoy to waste a $1m SAM missile.

[Tash]

Shit happens....