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June 23, 2023, 10:27:57 PM
Merited by nutildah (3), suchmoon (1)
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Interesting things happening in Russia today. Seems that conflict between Prigozhin and Ministry of Defense reached new level. Prigozhin accused Russian army for carying out strike against Wagner camp and result of it - ''huge number of cusalties. FSB already started criminal case against Prigozhin. Here is short summary of all his statements today:
https://meduza.io/en/feature/2023/06/23/wagner-s-march-of-justice
General Surovikin made video statement with riffle in his hands, asking Prigozhin and Wagner to stop what they're doing
https://t.me/rusbrief/129028
Meanwhile armored vehicles were noticed in Rostov and Moscow. And seems that they started blocking roads in Rostov:
https://t.me/news161ru/33631
I have no idea how everything will end, maybe this story will have boring outcome, but my popcorn is ready.

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June 23, 2023, 11:30:33 PM
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I have no idea how everything will end, maybe this story will have boring outcome, but my popcorn is ready.

Shouldn't be boring, it's a friggin' coup, these are always exciting... either Prigozhin or Shoigu will end up hanged on a lamppost, both excellent outcomes.

Unless Prigozhin says "I was hacked, sorry, ignore the shit I posted", that'd be boring.
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June 23, 2023, 11:45:33 PM
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Unless Prigozhin says "I was hacked, sorry, ignore the shit I posted", that'd be boring.
From what we saw already, it would be very difficult to believe that he was hacked, it was deepfake or something. Now there is no way back for Prigozhin.
Telegram is full of posts about Wagner moving towards Rostov, they already crossed border between occupied part of Ukraine and Russia, but there is zero photos or videos, so, impossible to confirm or deny information.
There is another post where allegedly Prigozhin says that Russian air forces were ordered to open fire against convoy of Wagner
https://t.me/UkrNow_chat/1116591

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June 24, 2023, 02:33:52 AM
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All sorts of sketchy videos are surfacing on telegram so it's kinda difficult to judge what's real but it seems that Prigozhin's military column entered Rostov-on-Don (simply driving around a street "blockade" of parked buses) and have surrounded or taken over the headquarters of Southern Military District.

https://t.me/news161ru/33651
https://t.me/news161ru/33657

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All sorts of sketchy videos are surfacing ...........
At this point in time question everything on anything you see on the magic black screen.
Prigozhin been posting videos for years now with his whereabouts and somehow he is still alive.
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June 24, 2023, 06:46:33 AM
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Prigozhin been posting videos for years now with his whereabouts and somehow he is still alive.
Prigozhin in Rostov. Tanks in the city center.

I also looked at information from all possible Rostov telegram channels, which confirm that a military helicopter was shot down near Rostov.

Also, Wagner PMC soldiers cordoned off administrative buildings in Rostov, including the headquarters of the Southern Military District (SMD). According to Prigozhin, PMC Wagner controls all military facilities in Rostov, including the airfield (the video in which he addresses was filmed in the center of Rostov).


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June 24, 2023, 07:52:54 AM
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All sorts of sketchy videos are surfacing ...........
At this point in time question everything on anything you see on the magic black screen.
Prigozhin been posting videos for years now with his whereabouts and somehow he is still alive.


Putin just gave a televised address to the country saying that this was a "stab in the back" and armed mutiny against our country,personal interest have led to betrayal of our country and everyone who is responsible for this treason will be punished,all the national security forces are in combat readiness and even the special forces Rosvia are on the ground.

Honestly it does not look good,it is only natural though that when you keep on losing for 1.5 years at one time the rage to get out of you and redirect to the one who gave orders.

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Interesting things happening in Russia today. Seems that conflict between Prigozhin and Ministry of Defense reached new level. Prigozhin accused Russian army for carying out strike against Wagner camp and result of it - ''huge number of cusalties. FSB already started criminal case against Prigozhin. Here is short summary of all his statements today:
https://meduza.io/en/feature/2023/06/23/wagner-s-march-of-justice
General Surovikin made video statement with riffle in his hands, asking Prigozhin and Wagner to stop what they're doing
https://t.me/rusbrief/129028
Meanwhile armored vehicles were noticed in Rostov and Moscow. And seems that they started blocking roads in Rostov:
https://t.me/news161ru/33631
I have no idea how everything will end, maybe this story will have boring outcome, but my popcorn is ready.

As soon as I start to get bored, there is a sudden new plot twist in this story. Whoever wrote this script has a good talent for keeping the audience's attention. Grin

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Interesting things happening in Russia today. Seems that conflict between Prigozhin and Ministry of Defense reached new level. Prigozhin accused Russian army for carying out strike against Wagner camp and result of it - ''huge number of cusalties. FSB already started criminal case against Prigozhin. Here is short summary of all his statements today:
https://meduza.io/en/feature/2023/06/23/wagner-s-march-of-justice
General Surovikin made video statement with riffle in his hands, asking Prigozhin and Wagner to stop what they're doing
https://t.me/rusbrief/129028
Meanwhile armored vehicles were noticed in Rostov and Moscow. And seems that they started blocking roads in Rostov:
https://t.me/news161ru/33631
I have no idea how everything will end, maybe this story will have boring outcome, but my popcorn is ready.

As soon as I start to get bored, there is a sudden new plot twist in this story. Whoever wrote this script has a good talent for keeping the audience's attention. Grin

I don't think Russia is capable of staging such a massive content being a fake one,it would be great for any country proving this to only be a fake in order to distract attraction from the counter offensive that Ukraine is slow slowly conducting liberating every single meter of Ukrainian territory.

If that is not the case then I am afraid we would see a civil unrest in Russia and Putin must be very careful to not awake the discontent of the citizens because then it is truly game over once and for all for Russia.

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Belarusian oppositionists made an appeal  Smiley

Key thought "Belarusians, We should not miss this chance"

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I stayed clear of commenting on posts concerning Ukraine and Russia conflict because it became complex. In the forum, supporters of these two nations attacked each other and it was that serious. I became scared to comment because if you support Ukraine in a post, you become an enemy of members from Russia and if you speak well about Russia, Ukrainians will dislike you. But today I needed to speak because what I heard today broke my heart. Prigozhin an insider of Russia declaring that this war was founded on lies is a pointer that this war was senseless. There were no Fascists in Ukraine, the claim was totally false. This is total war and not a special operation. The loss of lives and properties was just for the political gains of a few greedy men. Putin and his cronies lied to Russian citizens and supporters.

Ukraine war based on lies: Wagner mercenary chief

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[...] I became scared to comment because if you support Ukraine in a post, you become an enemy of members from Russia
For some reason, I always thought that you need to think about conscience and not about what others think of you.

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I stayed clear of commenting on posts concerning Ukraine and Russia conflict because it became complex. In the forum, supporters of these two nations attacked each other and it was that serious. I became scared to comment because if you support Ukraine in a post, you become an enemy of members from Russia and if you speak well about Russia, Ukrainians will dislike you. But today I needed to speak because what I heard today broke my heart. Prigozhin an insider of Russia declaring that this war was founded on lies is a pointer that this war was senseless. There were no Fascists in Ukraine, the claim was totally false. This is total war and not a special operation. The loss of lives and properties was just for the political gains of a few greedy men. Putin and his cronies lied to Russian citizens and supporters.

Ukraine war based on lies: Wagner mercenary chief

We knew this all along,the West knew this all along that is why they supported Ukraine this much in this senseless war,it was much different than Crimea in 2014 where the West and EU did not do much in sanctioning Russia and that was seen as a weakness ready to be exploit so Putin made up a big army in these 8 years up to 2022 when he decided to invade Ukraine.

While Putin wanted to become a great man in Russia history and to be seen as Peter the first all the other gang from Kremlin want just personal gains with Shoigu being at the forefront and accused from Prigozhin that he just wanted a hero star.Things have precipitated now and we may see a lot of changes in the coming days.

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Interesting things happening in Russia today. Seems that conflict between Prigozhin and Ministry of Defense reached new level. Prigozhin accused Russian army for carying out strike against Wagner camp and result of it - ''huge number of cusalties. FSB already started criminal case against Prigozhin. Here is short summary of all his statements today:
https://meduza.io/en/feature/2023/06/23/wagner-s-march-of-justice
General Surovikin made video statement with riffle in his hands, asking Prigozhin and Wagner to stop what they're doing
https://t.me/rusbrief/129028
Meanwhile armored vehicles were noticed in Rostov and Moscow. And seems that they started blocking roads in Rostov:
https://t.me/news161ru/33631
I have no idea how everything will end, maybe this story will have boring outcome, but my popcorn is ready.


The portrayal of the Russian soldier as the instigator of the civil war is not reflected accurately in public news. Wagner, on the other hand, is leveling accusations of government corruption and other issues stemming from the war. Additionally, I speculate that the civil war may have external sponsorship, as some believe that exploiting the internal crisis would serve as a significant distraction.
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Interesting things happening in Russia today. Seems that conflict between Prigozhin and Ministry of Defense reached new level. Prigozhin accused Russian army for carying out strike against Wagner camp and result of it - ''huge number of cusalties. FSB already started criminal case against Prigozhin. Here is short summary of all his statements today:
https://meduza.io/en/feature/2023/06/23/wagner-s-march-of-justice
General Surovikin made video statement with riffle in his hands, asking Prigozhin and Wagner to stop what they're doing
https://t.me/rusbrief/129028
Meanwhile armored vehicles were noticed in Rostov and Moscow. And seems that they started blocking roads in Rostov:
https://t.me/news161ru/33631
I have no idea how everything will end, maybe this story will have boring outcome, but my popcorn is ready.


The portrayal of the Russian soldier as the instigator of the civil war is not reflected accurately in public news. Wagner, on the other hand, is leveling accusations of government corruption and other issues stemming from the war. Additionally, I speculate that the civil war may have external sponsorship, as some believe that exploiting the internal crisis would serve as a significant distraction.

That is some really deep crisis if this is sponsored from the outside as it means the world had enough and his Ottoman empire style of leading rather than a Western Government where he,Putin boasts himself as a great leader of a great liberal nation.

Ukraine should be very careful as this may as well be orchestrated (highly unlikely as this has been going on for months) and as such they should not be at all distracted from their counteroffensive objectives to liberate as much land as they can and this is a great moment to come forward.

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[...] I became scared to comment because if you support Ukraine in a post, you become an enemy of members from Russia
For some reason, I always thought that you need to think about conscience and not about what others think of you.
That's true @copress, I acted like a coward betraying my conscience. I was scared of attacks but I know better now. The truth must be told at all times regardless of the consequences. Everybody I know wants this war to end and that's my greatest desire. Russia and Ukraine are big players in the political and economic settings of the world.

The portrayal of the Russian soldier as the instigator of the civil war is not reflected accurately in public news. Wagner, on the other hand, is leveling accusations of government corruption and other issues stemming from the war. Additionally, I speculate that the civil war may have external sponsorship, as some believe that exploiting the internal crisis would serve as a significant distraction.

If this civil war has foreign sponsors then Russia didn't put their house in order. Allowing foreign nations to influence Prigozhin is a failure of the Kremlin to put their house in order. The head of Wagner has been complaining of the misbehavior of Putin's military chief and the president failed to arrest the situation. Prigozhin made it clear that Putin was been lied to about the outcomes of the battles. He doesn't know much about the battlefield it is his military chiefs that give him reports. And they are lying to him. The reason for this civil war personality or power class between Prigozhin and Putin's military chiefs.

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I hope Prigozhin and other hardliners win and get control of nukes
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The bald rebel is claiming that he took Voronezh, and shot down a few helicopters and a transport plane. Russia air force apparently bombed the wagnerists on M4. I haven't had time to geolocate that shit on my own so I'm not gonna post the links but there is quite a lot of fortification going on around Moscow so shit's getting real. There are also reports of them moving to Krasnodar (opposite direction from Rostov than Moscow, towards Crimea).
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The bald rebel is claiming that he took Voronezh, and shot down a few helicopters and a transport plane. Russia air force apparently bombed the wagnerists on M4. I haven't had time to geolocate that shit on my own so I'm not gonna post the links but there is quite a lot of fortification going on around Moscow so shit's getting real. There are also reports of them moving to Krasnodar (opposite direction from Rostov than Moscow, towards Crimea).

They seem also to be on their way to Moscow. Putin has given an address to the nation and it could be that part of the military are quite ok with getting rid of the current government. I wonder if it could come the day that we see Putin in the Hague like Milosevic, awaiting the day to have a rope around the neck.

Anyway, it seems that despite this little disputes between the local dictators, the war goes on. Prygo is not really into anything better than Putin on that regard -for now.

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