Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]

[DaRude]

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Today, we have decided to invite Albania and Croatia to begin accession talks to join our Alliance.
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It all has to come from the country. The invitation to talks is only after a country expresses interest previously. You have never proven anything except that you confuse facts an opinion... curiously always favouring your narrative.

There has not been any NATO aggression to Ruzzia. If Ukraine has shown interest in joining NATO, they are invited to discuss how and when. It is very simple - NATO is not an aggressive alliance.

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Haha yes they just give out cookies, right? and we all totally believe that!

NATO Chief Backs Use of Western Weapons to Hit Russian Targets

Chief of a "not aggressive alliance" promotes its members sending weapons to a country, which is not part of the alliance,
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Correct, NATO is a defensive alliance. NATO is not attacking Ruzzia.

You are giving yourself the answer, NATO is not belligerent in this war and none of the countries that sell weapons to Ukraine are belligerent in the war. They can sell weapons to Ukraine and they could sell them to Ruzzia if they wanted to. Ukraine can use the weapons as they see fit.

 What surprises me is that anyone has to actually say that it is OK for Ukraine to attack Ruzzia, just as Ruzzia is attacking Ukraine. Is super-funny you somehow find that unfair   In my view, there is not even a need for anyone to "give permission" - Ukraine is at war with Ruzzia, all military targets are exactly that -targets. And if it is a multi-million radar critical for the Ruzzian strategic defence... well, just withdraw from Ukraine if you cannot handle this loses. I am sure it was much more fun from your side when the missiles were flying only from east to west, was it not? Karma is a bitch, uh?

 Just as I am sure than pacific countries such as Iran and China do not put any limits on what Ruzzia decides to use their weapons for - literally, no limits whatsoever.

So... Finland and Sweden are in NATO for the cookies? So none of this countries in your map are in talks are there because the are scared Ruzzia could invade them, just like it did with Ukraine? You are getting funnier by the minute.

The only point here is that Putin thinks he is somehow entitled to dictate in the old USSR, the neighbours know, and they like it not. Comme'on Putin has done more for NATO expansion than anyone else... NATO was nearly dead before the invasion.

Are there many defensive alliances that attack other countries first, like when NATO attacked Yugoslavia? I'm sure China loves such precedence and instructions on how to sell such crap to population.
Attack is Defense. War Is Peace. Freedom Is Slavery. Ignorance Is Strength

You know pretty well that Ukraine cannot use the weapons as they see fit, just ask Biden. You also know the reason, that Ukraine is provided weapons not to win but just not loose too fast. For some, unknown to me, reason Ukrainian leadership was happy to accept that role for their citizens, and now people are living with those consequences. As you're well aware, if US really wanted Ukraine to win, there are million things that they could've tried to do differently. Instead Ukraine will maybe get only few F16s this year to slow down the losses and drag out the inevitable for a bit longer. Everyone has a role to play, and everyone knows which role leadership picked for Ukraine

[paxmao]

Are there many defensive alliances that attack other countries first, like when NATO attacked Yugoslavia? I'm sure China loves such precedence and instructions on how to sell such crap to population.
Attack is Defense. War Is Peace. Freedom Is Slavery. Ignorance Is Strength

You know pretty well that Ukraine cannot use the weapons as they see fit, just ask Biden. You also know the reason, that Ukraine is provided weapons not to win but just not loose too fast. For some, unknown to me, reason Ukrainian leadership was happy to accept that role for their citizens, and now people are living with those consequences. As you're well aware, if US really wanted Ukraine to win, there are million things that they could've tried to do differently. Instead Ukraine will maybe get only few F16s this year to slow down the losses and drag out the inevitable for a bit longer. Everyone has a role to play, and everyone knows which role leadership picked for Ukraine

You mean NATO attacked Serbia? What was Serbia doing at that time? Was it not attacking Croatia, Bosnia,... Again, who is the aggressor and who is acting in defence? did NATO attack Serbia before they started a (genocidal) war with the ex-republics and started the ethnical cleanse of Albanians or after?

The point you are making about dragging the war, I have been making it since more than a year ago. It was not a good idea to start the war and the actor that is getting the worst of a prolonged war is Ruzzia (not the only one) because is using up resources that cannot be re-built.

It is time for Putin to consider a peace plan by returning the Ukrainian territory and paying reparations, returning the kidnapped children,...  Unless he does not want out.

But that will not happen. You need to keep boiling the frong until it is no longer a threat to anyone. US strategy will not change at least for a year.

[DaRude]

Are there many defensive alliances that attack other countries first, like when NATO attacked Yugoslavia? I'm sure China loves such precedence and instructions on how to sell such crap to population.
Attack is Defense. War Is Peace. Freedom Is Slavery. Ignorance Is Strength

You know pretty well that Ukraine cannot use the weapons as they see fit, just ask Biden. You also know the reason, that Ukraine is provided weapons not to win but just not loose too fast. For some, unknown to me, reason Ukrainian leadership was happy to accept that role for their citizens, and now people are living with those consequences. As you're well aware, if US really wanted Ukraine to win, there are million things that they could've tried to do differently. Instead Ukraine will maybe get only few F16s this year to slow down the losses and drag out the inevitable for a bit longer. Everyone has a role to play, and everyone knows which role leadership picked for Ukraine

You mean NATO attacked Serbia? What was Serbia doing at that time? Was it not attacking Croatia, Bosnia,... Again, who is the aggressor and who is acting in defence? did NATO attack Serbia before they started a (genocidal) war with the ex-republics and started the ethnical cleanse of Albanians or after?

The point you are making about dragging the war, I have been making it since more than a year ago. It was not a good idea to start the war and the actor that is getting the worst of a prolonged war is Ruzzia (not the only one) because is using up resources that cannot be re-built.

It is time for Putin to consider a peace plan by returning the Ukrainian territory and paying reparations, returning the kidnapped children,...  Unless he does not want out.

But that will not happen. You need to keep boiling the frong until it is no longer a threat to anyone. US strategy will not change at least for a year.

Haha were Croatia, Bosnia part of NATO when NATO decided to attack Yugoslavia, against all international laws and UN charter? Oops. In fact even NATO didn't attempt to justify this as self defense, their claim was that sure it's illegal for each individual country to attack another country, but NATO itself is not a member of UN so as an alliance and under the alliance flag, they're not bound by UN charter and can do whatever, keep trying to confuse uneducated.

Ahh i see, so you still pretending that Ukraine is better off than Russia now. Russia keeps taking more territory while Ukraine keeps loosing more and more of its population, but you continue to spin that as a positive, and rooting for it to go on for much longer? Good job comrade, who's side are you on again  

[paxmao]

You mean NATO attacked Serbia? What was Serbia doing at that time? Was it not attacking Croatia, Bosnia,... Again, who is the aggressor and who is acting in defence? did NATO attack Serbia before they started a (genocidal) war with the ex-republics and started the ethnical cleanse of Albanians or after?

The point you are making about dragging the war, I have been making it since more than a year ago. It was not a good idea to start the war and the actor that is getting the worst of a prolonged war is Ruzzia (not the only one) because is using up resources that cannot be re-built.

It is time for Putin to consider a peace plan by returning the Ukrainian territory and paying reparations, returning the kidnapped children,...  Unless he does not want out.

But that will not happen. You need to keep boiling the frong until it is no longer a threat to anyone. US strategy will not change at least for a year.

Haha were Croatia, Bosnia part of NATO when NATO decided to attack Yugoslavia, against all international laws and UN charter? Oops. In fact even NATO didn't attempt to justify this as self defense, their claim was that sure it's illegal for each individual country to attack another country, but NATO itself is not a member of UN so as an alliance and under the alliance flag, they're not bound by UN charter and can do whatever, keep trying to confuse uneducated.

Ahh i see, so you still pretending that Ukraine is better off than Russia now. Russia keeps taking more territory while Ukraine keeps loosing more and more of its population, but you continue to spin that as a positive, and rooting for it to go on for much longer? Good job comrade, who's side are you on again  

No they were not part of NATO, but. NATO stopped a war that was ongoing, not started an invasion and thanks for noting that there was an UN mandate involved. Unless you want to re-write history (again)?

I am not pretending anything,  I am just wondering if Ruzzia can keep loosing critical infrastructure, jets that cannot be replaced, oil refineries and other targets. Some of this are expensive, some others are simply the last ones as they cannot be produced again.

It is time for Ruzzia to figure out how the future looks if things become "half". Half the Black sea fleet underwater, half of the air defence systems destroyed, half of their refining capacity gone, half of the generals in prison, half of the positions in factories not covered, half of the business gone and half of the income from foreign assets confiscated.

But if you say that is ok, then it is ok. It takes a while for the frog to boil.

[DaRude]

You mean NATO attacked Serbia? What was Serbia doing at that time? Was it not attacking Croatia, Bosnia,... Again, who is the aggressor and who is acting in defence? did NATO attack Serbia before they started a (genocidal) war with the ex-republics and started the ethnical cleanse of Albanians or after?

The point you are making about dragging the war, I have been making it since more than a year ago. It was not a good idea to start the war and the actor that is getting the worst of a prolonged war is Ruzzia (not the only one) because is using up resources that cannot be re-built.

It is time for Putin to consider a peace plan by returning the Ukrainian territory and paying reparations, returning the kidnapped children,...  Unless he does not want out.

But that will not happen. You need to keep boiling the frong until it is no longer a threat to anyone. US strategy will not change at least for a year.

Haha were Croatia, Bosnia part of NATO when NATO decided to attack Yugoslavia, against all international laws and UN charter? Oops. In fact even NATO didn't attempt to justify this as self defense, their claim was that sure it's illegal for each individual country to attack another country, but NATO itself is not a member of UN so as an alliance and under the alliance flag, they're not bound by UN charter and can do whatever, keep trying to confuse uneducated.

Ahh i see, so you still pretending that Ukraine is better off than Russia now. Russia keeps taking more territory while Ukraine keeps loosing more and more of its population, but you continue to spin that as a positive, and rooting for it to go on for much longer? Good job comrade, who's side are you on again  

No they were not part of NATO, but. NATO stopped a war that was ongoing, not started an invasion and thanks for noting that there was an UN mandate involved. Unless you want to re-write history (again)?

I am not pretending anything,  I am just wondering if Ruzzia can keep loosing critical infrastructure, jets that cannot be replaced, oil refineries and other targets. Some of this are expensive, some others are simply the last ones as they cannot be produced again.

It is time for Ruzzia to figure out how the future looks if things become "half". Half the Black sea fleet underwater, half of the air defence systems destroyed, half of their refining capacity gone, half of the generals in prison, half of the positions in factories not covered, half of the business gone and half of the income from foreign assets confiscated.

But if you say that is ok, then it is ok. It takes a while for the frog to boil.

Ahh so NATO can attack anyone in the world as long as they're in a conflict, without any UN security council approval, and that's what makes them a defense alliance    World police, judge, jury, and the executioner, which majority of the world didn't vote for? While totally ignoring other conflicts like actual war crimes in Gaza? Why those crazy Russian's wouldn't want that on their borders is a total mystery! When Cuba can't even receive advanced medical equipment without it being somehow considered an existential threat to US   we all believe that right?

It's actually quiet ironic that Ukrainian leaders decided to volunteer their population in order to attempt to push that ideology through, but of course once China showed which side it's on, everyone realized that it's destined to fail.

[Branko]

Meanwhile, "smart" Excalibur shells have worse hit rate than 200 times less expensive Russian dumb ones:

https://www.businessinsider.com/us-gave-up-sending-ukraine-100k-excalibur-shells-hit-targets-2024-5

It seems this war is good learning lesson for Russians for future fights against NATO...I would not be surprised
to soon see them developing tech to send Excalibur and Himars back to sender

[paxmao]

Meanwhile, "smart" Excalibur shells have worse hit rate than 200 times less expensive Russian dumb ones:

https://www.businessinsider.com/us-gave-up-sending-ukraine-100k-excalibur-shells-hit-targets-2024-5

It seems this war is good learning lesson for Russians for future fights against NATO...I would not be surprised
to soon see them developing tech to send Excalibur and Himars back to sender

Yes Branko, western weapons "do not work". 1 in 10 hitting the target, mmmm so you need targets that are more than 1 million in value or in strategic value. Like a tank, arty piece or a building full of meatweavers,...

Anyway, it seems that the GPS spoofing is in general creating issues. Even for commercial aviation in Finland. Let's see how long does it take "the sender" to find a way around - because it will happen - adaptation works both ways.

Meanwhile ATACAMS, SCALPs & Stormshadows seem to be dealing perfectly well with the tampering. It is a good thing because these are the ones that are more relevant to the "frog boiling".

[coolcoinz]

You should look at this war as geopolitical game, not through child eyes as fight between good and evil

UK and USA cheer every dead Ukrainian as well as dead Russian...both are gain for them

WW2 was same

Are you really comparing WW2 to this? Sure I'll follow your logic.
Do you know why the West cheered every dead Russian? Because Russians were the aggressors along with Germans, they just happen to have a disagreement somewhere allowing the way.

In WW2 Germans and Russians were like 2 wolves sharing one prey, be it a deer, and one thought he's the stronger one and can have all the meat, so he jumped the other one while it was eating and you're surprised that the other animals came to watch and give themselves high fives while the wolves bled?

I'm an Eastern European and from my perspective the bigger the Russian losses the better. I won't shed a tear for your soldiers. They go to war for money and it's their choice to kill Ukrainians. The more of these murderers and invaders die out there, the less we'll have to deal with when the time comes.

[paxmao]

The terminal in airport in Zaporizhzhia was hit by Ruzzia. This is one of the airports that is suited to host f16. In my view f16 is the wrong aircraft for Ukraine, the Grippen would be much better, but one cannot deny that there are thousands of f16 all over the world and that is quite useful.

And of course, Ruzzia immediately got evidence that missiles fly now west to east too. I am waiting for graphic confirmation of the hits in Luhansk airport in the occupied Ukraine, but it seems ATACAMS again.

Edit: Got a glimpse. Let's see if there is satellite evidence along next days and a calibration of damages

[Branko]

Are you really comparing WW2 to this? Sure I'll follow your logic.
Do you know why the West cheered every dead Russian? Because Russians were the aggressors along with Germans, they just happen to have a disagreement somewhere allowing the way.

In WW2 Germans and Russians were like 2 wolves sharing one prey, be it a deer, and one thought he's the stronger one and can have all the meat, so he jumped the other one while it was eating and you're surprised that the other animals came to watch and give themselves high fives while the wolves bled?

I'm an Eastern European and from my perspective the bigger the Russian losses the better. I won't shed a tear for your soldiers. They go to war for money and it's their choice to kill Ukrainians. The more of these murderers and invaders die out there, the less we'll have to deal with when the time comes.

Finally you see the truth, and admit what UK and USA worked on from start

meanwhile, another Ukraine radar go boom:

https://t.me/ukr_leaks_eng/12632

Why Ukrainians fear their own army:

https://t.me/ukr_leaks_eng/12627

[BADecker]

Russia broke the USA/UK influence over them a long rime ago - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=who+financed+the+bolsheviks%3F&ia=web. Now Russia is simply trying to help the Ukraine break it. It's like having a fever. You gotta break it if you want to get well. Hopefully Ukraine will break the UK/USA fever. So many countries around the world have not broken the fever, but have succumbed to US banking rule.

[Branko]

Russia broke the USA/UK influence over them a long rime ago - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=who+financed+the+bolsheviks%3F&ia=web. Now Russia is simply trying to help the Ukraine break it. It's like having a fever. You gotta break it if you want to get well. Hopefully Ukraine will break the UK/USA fever. So many countries around the world have not broken the fever, but have succumbed to US banking rule.

Its kind of funny that you have to repeatedly explain that on bitcoin forum

[paxmao]

https://belsat.eu/en/news/14-05-2023-the-children-of-the-russian-elite-are-hiding-out-in-the-west

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/04/12/us/kremlin-kids-in-the-west-invs/index.html

Kremlin-connected children grew up in the very countries whose societies their parents claim to reject

Theirs is a world of private jets, posh Parisian apartments, Austrian ski vacations and schooling at elite universities in London and New York.

Their parents own prime real estate on the most exclusive avenues of Europe’s capitals. Their social media profiles are filled with designer dresses and red-carpet events. One young woman posted photos of her 22nd birthday, poolside at the Adriatic Sea villa of one of Putin’s oligarchs.

Meet the kids of the Kremlin.

@Branko, one would think that one like you should be able to tell a fascist when he sees one.

To the recent events that actually make a difference:

Another Early Warning Radar(over the horizon radar) has been hit with drones by Ukraine. I shall say it again, this is a network of (not that many) radars that Ruzzia has to detect ballistic missiles - all types of ballistic missiles, even those ballistic missiles you may be thinking of.


There is confirmation of the strike on Luhansk airport. It seems that the targets were helicopters, that need to be close to the front to be effective, but can no longer be close to the front if they want to keep "being".

https://www.reuters.com/world/russias-ria-news-agency-reports-blasts-russian-held-luhansk-2024-05-27/

My guess, first the air defence first, the aircraft second, but there is an aircraft repair facility too.

"A fire has broken out as a result of the attack," Pasechnik said, noting that information on casualties was being clarified.
Russia's Tass news agency, quoting emergency services, cited injuries.
Ukrainian media and war bloggers posted a picture of what they described as a large fire in the city.
A second strike hit the city at midnight, a Russian Foreign Ministry official said, apparently in the same general area.

On the "internal front"...

The national Anthem of Ukraine being played in a loop before a Ruzzian embassy:

https://x.com/i/status/1629049583216066560

An Ukrainian flag is painted before the Ruzzian embassy in London.

https://x.com/i/status/1628729298864558080

Are you really comparing WW2 to this? Sure I'll follow your logic.
Do you know why the West cheered every dead Russian? Because Russians were the aggressors along with Germans, they just happen to have a disagreement somewhere allowing the way.

In WW2 Germans and Russians were like 2 wolves sharing one prey, be it a deer, and one thought he's the stronger one and can have all the meat, so he jumped the other one while it was eating and you're surprised that the other animals came to watch and give themselves high fives while the wolves bled?

I'm an Eastern European and from my perspective the bigger the Russian losses the better. I won't shed a tear for your soldiers. They go to war for money and it's their choice to kill Ukrainians. The more of these murderers and invaders die out there, the less we'll have to deal with when the time comes.

The west in my view is not about "cheering" anything, it is about seeking durable peace and preferably one that can be economically sustainable in the long term.

@Branko probably believes that giving updates on loses and attacks is "cheering", he is probably not used to see both sides of the story.

[Branko]

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@Branko, one would think that one like you should be able to tell a fascist when he sees one.

Yes I can:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFZf1h9H5js

The west in my view is not about "cheering" anything, it is about seeking durable peace and preferably one that can be economically sustainable in the long term.

@Branko probably believes that giving updates on loses and attacks is "cheering", he is probably not used to see both sides of the story.

Sure, like UK did in Libya, destroying functional state into a mess where now only slave markets are functional...I can continue and
list few more, but I think its enough to show how laughable is your comment

Typical rooinek:

https://thepeoplesvoice.tv/boris-johnson-caught-holding-nazi-flag-in-uk-parliament-calls-neo-nazi-azov-brigade-heroes/

[paxmao]

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@Branko, one would think that one like you should be able to tell a fascist when he sees one.

Yes I can:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFZf1h9H5js

The west in my view is not about "cheering" anything, it is about seeking durable peace and preferably one that can be economically sustainable in the long term.

@Branko probably believes that giving updates on loses and attacks is "cheering", he is probably not used to see both sides of the story.

Sure, like UK did in Libya, destroying functional state into a mess where now only slave markets are functional...I can continue and
list few more, but I think its enough to show how laughable is your comment

Typical rooinek:

https://thepeoplesvoice.tv/boris-johnson-caught-holding-nazi-flag-in-uk-parliament-calls-neo-nazi-azov-brigade-heroes/

Whattabout...


I got another picture of Luhansk, it is a big fire there...



And has been burning for a while...



I also have a Ukrainian air strike (those weapons "that do not work...")



And can observe in the map that there are much much less Ruzzia glide bomb attacks. It may be a significant strategic change, we will see in the upcoming days.



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[DaRude]

You should look at this war as geopolitical game, not through child eyes as fight between good and evil

UK and USA cheer every dead Ukrainian as well as dead Russian...both are gain for them

WW2 was same

Are you really comparing WW2 to this? Sure I'll follow your logic.
Do you know why the West cheered every dead Russian? Because Russians were the aggressors along with Germans, they just happen to have a disagreement somewhere allowing the way.

In WW2 Germans and Russians were like 2 wolves sharing one prey, be it a deer, and one thought he's the stronger one and can have all the meat, so he jumped the other one while it was eating and you're surprised that the other animals came to watch and give themselves high fives while the wolves bled?

I'm an Eastern European and from my perspective the bigger the Russian losses the better. I won't shed a tear for your soldiers. They go to war for money and it's their choice to kill Ukrainians. The more of these murderers and invaders die out there, the less we'll have to deal with when the time comes.

Everyone understood that you were Eastern European without you explicitly saying it  
That logic is flawed on the surface, but are you seriously not even thinking through to the second step? Even if we don't care about Ukrainian lives/statehood, don't you think that policy of punishing Russia by flooding China with cheap resources will backfire and result in far worse consequences? Or we're just so blinded by "Russia=bad" brainwashing that we don't care about anything else?

[Branko]

I also have a Ukrainian air strike (those weapons "that do not work...")

Noone except you said they don't work...6% efficiency is not the same as 0%,
and allows you to put your propaganda here and there...but front line is moving in just one direction,
and only one side is forced to conscript people by abducting them on streets

[paxmao]

I also have a Ukrainian air strike (those weapons "that do not work...")

Noone except you said they don't work...6% efficiency is not the same as 0%,
and allows you to put your propaganda here and there...but front line is moving in just one direction,
and only one side is forced to conscript people by abducting them on streets

Yes Branko, the problem seems to be that the Ruzzian command does not believe you. You have to explain to them that it is OK to keep their aircraft in the forward bases, because they are so confused by propaganda that they have moved them well away from ATACAMS range.

If I wanted to provide some less validated information o something more like "cheering"... well there is plenty to choose from...

Like a 97% personnel loss in an attack in Vulhedar...



My guess is that Ruzzian soldiers know what happens when you go into "recovery"...

https://x.com/i/status/1795098916347601250

About 28 military personnel who were previously wounded in Ukraine are being held by force in a pre-trial detention center in Yakutsk for refusing to go back to war . Physical violence is used against military personnel, as well as other forms of torture : they limit the ability to go to the toilet, play music at full volume (Shaman).

So they would rather suicide (viewer discretion advised)

https://x.com/i/status/1792639233129075030

Another...
https://x.com/i/status/1795382356133769610

Another...
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GOnBwdHWwAEwfoj?format=png&name=small

"Ruzzian troops..."



Fresh recruits... it is ok to have heart disease, you won't be needed for long anyway...

https://x.com/i/status/1795118638875205787

See.. there is plenty of information out there that is difficult to check, so I recommend people who want to enlist in the Ruzzian army to "do their own research".

[Branko]

A Ukrainian soldier was drove to suicide

https://seegore.com/a-ukrainian-soldier-was-drove-to-suicide/

If you won't suicide by yourself, your Ukraine commanders will get job done

https://www.theinteldrop.org/2023/12/17/ukrainian-soldiers-ordered-into-suicide-missions-nyt/

https://sputnikglobe.com/20240125/suicide-mission-ukrainian-troops-reveal-dire-situation-on-the-battlefield-1116376198.html

https://pledgetimes.com/a-ukrainian-armed-forces-soldier-shot-and-killed-his-colleagues-in-the-border-region-of-ukraine/


Ukrainian conscript soldier breaks down during frontline training (notice difference in morale of Ukrainian conscript and
American that is training him for meat grinder)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBE2Ijwfj08

@Paxmao I could continue on and on, but unlike you I don't enjoy war porn, and its really sad that Boris Johnson
prevented peace deal and forced all this to happen

[paxmao]

A Ukrainian soldier was drove to suicide

https://seegore.com/a-ukrainian-soldier-was-drove-to-suicide/

If you won't suicide by yourself, your Ukraine commanders will get job done

https://www.theinteldrop.org/2023/12/17/ukrainian-soldiers-ordered-into-suicide-missions-nyt/

https://sputnikglobe.com/20240125/suicide-mission-ukrainian-troops-reveal-dire-situation-on-the-battlefield-1116376198.html

https://pledgetimes.com/a-ukrainian-armed-forces-soldier-shot-and-killed-his-colleagues-in-the-border-region-of-ukraine/


Ukrainian conscript soldier breaks down during frontline training (notice difference in morale of Ukrainian conscript and
American that is training him for meat grinder)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBE2Ijwfj08

@Paxmao I could continue on and on, but unlike you I don't enjoy war porn, and its really sad that Boris Johnson
prevented peace deal and forced all this to happen

You were arguing that what I post is propaganda. I just wanted to show you what can be classed as such (despite not being necessarily a lie) and how easy is to find it so you may notice the difference. I can see you are starting to get the difference between "war porn", "cheering", "propaganda" and information that is relevant. One more example to see if you can find the seven differences:

This is a very real cost of keeping the war ongoing. In the years before, all the cost and all the infrastructure destruction was on Ukraine. Missiles flying only East to West. Now missiles (& drones) are also flying West to East. This is factual information, with a high degree of credibility and it is of strategic importance for the war:



This is the network of radars that Ruzzia uses to detect incoming ballistic threats. All short of threats (I am going to leave to you to figure out what "detection", "ballistic" and "incoming threats" mean).

Over a single week, Ukraine has damaged two of these (along with a few airframes). These are not just simple anti-air radars. They are building size and they will take a long time to repair or replace.





Why does this matter?

a) direct effect in "strategic blindness".

b) An economic effect in the war calculus: from we hurt Ukraine and it is "free" to, hey they can and will hit in stuff that hurts (that started with the Moscova BTW).

See, this is not propaganda, no tweets, no same thing...