Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]

[Hispo]

^^^ And none of them realize that their wealth is fake fiat wealth that can collapse anytime with the banking whims.

Russia is solid, not being built on banking whims. Ukraine is finding out that the US banking whims are collapsing their whole country.

I believe the most solid thing about the Russian economy is the fact much of their GBP depends on the commerce of gas and oil, those are commodities which will always have intrinsic value in the Asian market, as still many countries in that continent rely on fossil fuels to keep their machines going. If Russia did not have as much energy in the form of gas and oil, they would be indeed in big trouble. And since now the European Union seems to be pushing for a transition towards green energy and the political consequences of his conflict, the Kremlin has found new potential and welcoming clients in both China and North Korea, India is also willing to buy energy from them at discount, as they have already done in the past.

dumBAss has been waiting for many years for that stuff to "collapse" and he will probably die thinking it is about to happen just next week. I think he does not realize that he is not really good a realizing.

China will buy from Ruzzia but they need to solve their banking crisis with some speaking of 40% of bad debt across 4000 banking province and local banking entities. So BA, put your money where your mouth is an buy Yuan. What could go wrong?

 Ruzzia will always be the weak partner on that one. NK is irrelevant economically. India is much more leaning towards the "West", but will keep its options open anyway.

However, none of this is going to make the cost of war any better for Ruzzia.

Unlikely BD would turn to the Chinese yuan, to be honest. It is well known China and the Chinese government represent one of the main foes to be beaten within the MAGA movement. So we will not have a single Chinese Bill ote in his wallet.
Besides, if I recall correctly, Chinese yuan is famous around the planet for being perhaps the most important Fiat currency which needs to be artificially devaluated for the sake of keeping big corporations inside the country and not to pull out their capital and assembly lines from there, moving to alternative markets, like India or Pakistan.

While I agree the economical size of North Korea is irrelevant compared to China and Russia, the alliance indeed had some political significance, otherwise it would have not produced so many political headlines some days ago.

[BADecker]

US led forces in Ukraine are murdering surrendering Russians... straight forward, outright murder.


Bombshell NYT Expose Details War Crimes By American-Led Volunteer Force In Ukraine - https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/bombshell-nyt-expose-details-war-crimes-american-led-volunteer-force-ukraine.

[paxmao]

A couple of nights ago, Ukraine has sent a quite massive drone swarm. There is satellite evidence of large fuel storage facilities and other oil related target burning big time. I guess it is not even news nowadays, but also munitions depots have been hit in several localities.

Meanwhile, a full Ruzzian attack in Kherson was done with -guess what...not tanks, not BMP, no armoured cars... just with Chinese desertcross... AKA, "golfcarts". It is just criminal that Ruzzian bosses are sending troop to the front just to purely die like that.

[tvbcof]

Do snail swim?
Just asking if I should cancel my Lauderdale gator wrestling match in 2218?
I barely manage to secure those tickets, wouldn't want some russki invading at that time!
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Russia always said that their interest was to de-militarize Ukraine, and that they are doing better than even they probably thought possible.  Territorial/economic gains would seem to be an unanticipated windfall.  They have more of an ethical obligation than a simple opportunity take it as such, and the people living in the areas they appropriate will be the lucky ones if the last 20 or so years is anything to go by.  The citizens voted overwhelmingly to do that  in the areas where they had an opportunity to do so.

[kirgizskiyprezz]

A couple of nights ago, Ukraine has sent a quite massive drone swarm. There is satellite evidence of large fuel storage facilities and other oil related target burning big time. I guess it is not even news nowadays, but also munitions depots have been hit in several localities.

Meanwhile, a full Ruzzian attack in Kherson was done with -guess what...not tanks, not BMP, no armoured cars... just with Chinese desertcross... AKA, "golfcarts". It is just criminal that Ruzzian bosses are sending troop to the front just to purely die like that.

Ukraine would still be able to successfully hold its defense, because... they are still losing territory...

[cpu6502]

Ukraine would still be able to successfully hold its defense, because... they are still losing territory...

The frontline is fluid, somedays it goes east, some days west. Most of the time these movements are meaningless.

Take a step back and look at the bigger picture.

The human lives and resources being consumed (just to stay relatively still) are just beyond words. Just mind boggling.
Picture a person on a treadmill at the gym, but replace Russia with that person. The treadmill is set to max and Russia has to run full sprint just to stay still. Can't stop or will be chucked backwards into a wall, can't go forwards because already at max speed.

Something has to give. Something must give. Something will give.
Just a question of when. Tomorrow? Next week? 1 year? 5 years?

Of course, Russia decided voluntary to get on the treadmill in the first place; so geniune sympathy will,  and should be, non-existent.
They thought the treadmill speed would be set to 1, however Ukraine cranked it up to 10 for them.
Invasions have consequences, particularly bungled ones.

[nurnbergprocess]

Ukraine would still be able to successfully hold its defense, because... they are still losing territory...

The frontline is fluid, somedays it goes east, some days west. Most of the time these movements are meaningless.

Take a step back and look at the bigger picture.

The human lives and resources being consumed (just to stay relatively still) are just beyond words. Just mind boggling.
Picture a person on a treadmill at the gym, but replace Russia with that person. The treadmill is set to max and Russia has to run full sprint just to stay still. Can't stop or will be chucked backwards into a wall, can't go forwards because already at max speed.

Something has to give. Something must give. Something will give.
Just a question of when. Tomorrow? Next week? 1 year? 5 years?

Of course, Russia decided voluntary to get on the treadmill in the first place; so geniune sympathy will,  and should be, non-existent.
They thought the treadmill speed would be set to 1, however Ukraine cranked it up to 10 for them.
Invasions have consequences, particularly bungled ones.

Ukraine has enough weapons, but its human resource is very small, I think Russia is ahead here. All further actions will only harm Ukraine.

[cpu6502]

Russia always said that their interest was to de-militarize Ukraine, and that they are doing better than even they probably thought possible.

That hasn't worked out too well then. Another self-inflicted strategic failure from Russia.

Territorial/economic gains would seem to be an unanticipated windfall.

Trust me, it was anticipated.

They have more of an ethical obligation than a simple opportunity take it as such, and the people living in the areas they appropriate will be the lucky ones if the last 20 or so years is anything to go by. 

So you're suggesting Ukrainians stuck in occupied stolen land that have lost their freedom are the lucky ones?

The citizens voted overwhelmingly to do that  in the areas where they had an opportunity to do so.

Voting with a gun pointed at your head is not voting. There's been no voting in occupied land.



All the above is just meaningless Kremlin propaganda.

[Betwrong]

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And Ukraine can already stop running around the world, signing meaningless security guarantees, because Ukraine can only receive the only weighty and significant security guarantee from Russia. Simply for geographical reasons.

A "security guarantee from Russia" and some puppet president like Yanukovich or Medvedchuk?

We don't want to live in Russian gulag. We want to be a free country coexisting with the civilized world. In your opinion, we don't have that right?

[cpu6502]

Putin takes very seriously the regular statements of Western politicians about the need to inflict a “strategic defeat” on Russia.

The only country inflicting a stragetic defeat on Russia, is Russia.

Why? Easy. Because the pathway and all decisions leading to that defeat have been voluntary on the part of Russia. Not intentional of course, but that's a different thing. They bungled their invasion, no-one else.

[Branko]

A couple of nights ago, Ukraine has sent a quite massive drone swarm. There is satellite evidence of large fuel storage facilities and other oil related target burning big time. I guess it is not even news nowadays, but also munitions depots have been hit in several localities.

Meanwhile, a full Ruzzian attack in Kherson was done with -guess what...not tanks, not BMP, no armoured cars... just with Chinese desertcross... AKA, "golfcarts". It is just criminal that Ruzzian bosses are sending troop to the front just to purely die like that.

Its still way better than running, which is what Ukrainians are doing...btw, you somehow missed to comment Ukrainian
war crimes discovered by NYT, how come, you usually respond to everything like AI bot

[tvbcof]

Russia always said that their interest was to de-militarize Ukraine, and that they are doing better than even they probably thought possible.

That hasn't worked out too well then. Another self-inflicted strategic failure from Russia.

It's worked very well, and the West/NATO has been notably demilitarized as well.  Not to mention, shocked/scared-straight, and indeed alliances have developed markedly in Russian favor.

Territorial/economic gains would seem to be an unanticipated windfall.

Trust me, it was anticipated.

Why would I trust you?  There seems to be no reason to do so and it would appear the opposite.  Not to say you do or don't believe what you say, but it's obviously wrong no matter the case.

They have more of an ethical obligation than a simple opportunity take it as such, and the people living in the areas they appropriate will be the lucky ones if the last 20 or so years is anything to go by. 

So you're suggesting Ukrainians stuck in occupied stolen land that have lost their freedom are the lucky ones?

Russia is not my cup of tea when it comes to 'freedom', but quality of life is certainly better in a number of ways than it ever was for the average Ukrainian.  At least since the former Soviet Union stopped being gutted by the West thanks largely to Putin.

The citizens voted overwhelmingly to do that  in the areas where they had an opportunity to do so.

Voting with a gun pointed at your head is not voting. There's been no voting in occupied land.

It was the West who vehemently attempted to stamp out any observations of the elections which Russia instigated when they absorbed the new (and yet to be fully conquered) areas.  I mean new since the Bolsheviks and later Soviet 'communists' labeled it part of Ukraine and the West/Ukro-nazis started harming the Russian speaking citizenry in order to induce Russia to take action.  Very unwisely it would seem; RAND corp must not have mentioned that if their clients got the war they were seeking it probably would not work out well for them, but to be fair to RAND, that analysis probably was not part of the contract.

Also the peace treaty they signed with Zelenskii had the Russians leaving most of the economic areas.  That was the one which was reneged on by the Ukrainians after Boris Johnson made a hurried trip to Kiev.  Surely you remember that.

All the above is just meaningless Kremlin propaganda.

They do a good job at spinning a story which happens to align well with observations, has few conflicts, and has great explanatory power then.  These combined inevitably indicate a high degree of objective reality.

[cpu6502]

Russia always said that their interest was to de-militarize Ukraine, and that they are doing better than even they probably thought possible.

That hasn't worked out too well then. Another self-inflicted strategic failure from Russia.

It's worked very well, and the West/NATO has been notably demilitarized as well.  Not to mention, shocked/scared-straight, and indeed alliances have developed markedly in Russian favor.

Territorial/economic gains would seem to be an unanticipated windfall.

Trust me, it was anticipated.

Why would I trust you?  There seems to be no reason to do so and it would appear the opposite.  Not to say you do or don't believe what you say, but it's obviously wrong no matter the case.

They have more of an ethical obligation than a simple opportunity take it as such, and the people living in the areas they appropriate will be the lucky ones if the last 20 or so years is anything to go by.

So you're suggesting Ukrainians stuck in occupied stolen land that have lost their freedom are the lucky ones?

Russia is not my cup of tea when it comes to 'freedom', but quality of life is certainly better in a number of ways than it ever was for the average Ukrainian.  At least since the former Soviet Union stopped being gutted by the West thanks largely to Putin.

The citizens voted overwhelmingly to do that  in the areas where they had an opportunity to do so.

Voting with a gun pointed at your head is not voting. There's been no voting in occupied land.

It was the West who vehemently attempted to stamp out any observations of the elections which Russia instigated when they absorbed the new (and yet to be fully conquered) areas.  I mean new since the Bolsheviks and later Soviet 'communists' labeled it part of Ukraine and the West/Ukro-nazis started harming the Russian speaking citizenry in order to induce Russia to take action.  Very unwisely it would seem; RAND corp must not have mentioned that if their clients got the war they were seeking it probably would not work out well for them, but to be fair to RAND, that analysis probably was not part of the contract.

Also the peace treaty they signed with Zelenskii had the Russians leaving most of the economic areas.  That was the one which was reneged on by the Ukrainians after Boris Johnson made a hurried trip to Kiev.  Surely you remember that.

All the above is just meaningless Kremlin propaganda.

They do a good job at spinning a story which happens to align well with observations, has few conflicts, and has great explanatory power then.  These combined inevitably indicate a high degree of objective reality.

See what I mean. Standard propaganda scripted stuff.
West fault, dubious peace deals, Ukrainian Nazis.. helping them out..... etc.. etc...

It's just getting boring now. They are not even trying anymore to come up with fresh new stuff.
And this here's the problem. Once nobody is taking anymore notice of the "old" propaganda, it becomes more difficult to create new stuff because that's requires it to be more absurd, more disbelieveable, more extreme, more detached from reality than the last.

[be.open]

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And Ukraine can already stop running around the world, signing meaningless security guarantees, because Ukraine can only receive the only weighty and significant security guarantee from Russia. Simply for geographical reasons.

A "security guarantee from Russia" and some puppet president like Yanukovich or Medvedchuk?

If you don't like the puppet president, why did you choose Zelensky? Maybe you'll like President Putin more?

We don't want to live in Russian gulag. We want to be a free country coexisting with the civilized world. In your opinion, we don't have that right?

Who is this “we”? Speak for yourself. I don't want to rake the propaganda crap out of your head.

Nobody forbids Ukraine from being a free sovereign state striving to share European values, and maybe even in the distant future becoming a member of the EU. But this was not enough for Ukraine, and it wants to join NATO, and this is an existential security threat for Russia. if Ukraine doesn’t care about this, so much the worse for it.

[cpu6502]

Nobody forbids Ukraine from being a free sovereign state striving to share European values, and maybe even in the distant future becoming a member of the EU. But this was not enough for Ukraine, and it wants to join NATO, and this is an existential security threat for Russia. if Ukraine doesn’t care about this, so much the worse for it.

So Russia doesn't want to border a NATO country, so it invades Ukraine, which if the invasion was a success, would of put (the new expanded) Russia next to NATO countries.
Spot the obvious flaw in that logic.

I mean come on. Everyone figured out the NATO thing was just an excuse way back in 2022.

Freedom, truth and democracy provokes Putin, not NATO.

[be.open]

Nobody forbids Ukraine from being a free sovereign state striving to share European values, and maybe even in the distant future becoming a member of the EU. But this was not enough for Ukraine, and it wants to join NATO, and this is an existential security threat for Russia. if Ukraine doesn’t care about this, so much the worse for it.

So Russia doesn't want to border a NATO country, so it invades Ukraine, which if the invasion was a success, would of put (the new expanded) Russia next to NATO countries.
Spot the obvious flaw in that logic.

I mean come on. Everyone figured out the NATO thing was just an excuse way back in 2022.

Freedom, truth and democracy provokes Putin, not NATO.

You are right, as long as NATO exists, or rather, as long as Europe is occupied by the US army, any solution to the issue of Russian security will be temporary, compromise and half-hearted.

[cpu6502]

You are right, as long as NATO exists, or rather, as long as Europe is occupied by the US army, any solution to the issue of Russian security will be temporary, compromise and half-hearted.

Ahh yes Russian security, another red herring. Hearing alot about that lately.

The only thing making Russian security wobbly at the moment is the voluntary actions of ...... guess who......... Russia.

The best thing to Russian could do to improve Russian security at the moment would be to pull their illegal troops off occupied land.
Security would shoot up overnight.

However, they aren't going to do that are they; because Russsian security is another red herring.

[be.open]

You are right, as long as NATO exists, or rather, as long as Europe is occupied by the US army, any solution to the issue of Russian security will be temporary, compromise and half-hearted.

Ahh yes Russian security, another red herring. Hearing alot about that lately.

The only thing making Russian security wobbly at the moment is the voluntary actions of ...... guess who......... Russia.

The best thing to Russian could do to improve Russian security at the moment would be to pull their illegal troops off occupied land.
Security would shoot up overnight.

However, they aren't going to do that are they; because Russsian security is another red herring.

Maybe you're right again, but Putin doesn't seem to think so. And you will have to live in a world where any action or inaction of Putin is an objective reality that must be taken into account. Simply because Russia is the largest country in Eurasia and in the world. If you want freedom, make sure that your freedom does not infringe on the interests of Russia, or be prepared to defend your freedom with arms in hand.

ps If you want some other kind of freedom, where Russia’s opinion means nothing, then you are a fucking Nazi and will be denazified.

[cpu6502]

You are right, as long as NATO exists, or rather, as long as Europe is occupied by the US army, any solution to the issue of Russian security will be temporary, compromise and half-hearted.

Ahh yes Russian security, another red herring. Hearing alot about that lately.

The only thing making Russian security wobbly at the moment is the voluntary actions of ...... guess who......... Russia.

The best thing to Russian could do to improve Russian security at the moment would be to pull their illegal troops off occupied land.
Security would shoot up overnight.

However, they aren't going to do that are they; because Russsian security is another red herring.

Maybe you're right again, but Putin doesn't seem to think so. And you will have to live in a world where any action or inaction of Putin is an objective reality that must be taken into account. Simply because Russia is the largest country in Eurasia and in the world. If you want freedom, make sure that your freedom does not infringe on the interests of Russia, or be prepared to defend your freedom with arms in hand.

Sometime I think the words Putin and Russia are used interchangeable and incorrectly mixed up. Putin isn't Russia and Russia isn't Putin.

Pulling troops out of Ukraine is in Russia's best interest, but not Putin's. He'll be killed. When he talks about Russian security, what he really means is his regime's security. As we've all seen, he cares very little about Russia and certainly even less about the Russian people.

I believe the majority of people of Russia are decent people and want nothing to do with this pointless war. Yet they don't have the freedom to express themselves and speak up.

[be.open]

Sometime I think the words Putin and Russia are used interchangeable and incorrectly mixed up. Putin isn't Russia and Russia isn't Putin.

Pulling troops out of Ukraine is in Russia's best interest, but not Putin's. He'll be killed. When he talks about Russian security, what he really means is his regime's security. As we've all seen, he cares very little about Russia and certainly even less about the Russian people.

I believe the majority of people of Russia are decent people and want nothing to do with this pointless war. Yet they don't have the freedom to express themselves and speak up.

I think that you are too obviously biased in favor of Ukraine to talk about the best interests of Russia.

Most residents of Russia live their usual normal peaceful lives and in conversations in the kitchens with friends over a bottle of vodka, we rarely discuss events in Ukraine. Those who were strongly against this aggression left the country. The rest either remain neutral (people in Russia are generally very apolitical, it must be the most anarchic country in the world) or support the special operation. In general, even neutral-minded people admit that Putin is a good, strong leader who cares about the country's national interests.