Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]

[BADecker]

A whole lot - probably the majority - of Ukrainian war activity is a big farce. There is little or nothing there. The only thing that holds Russia back from complete obliteration of Ukraine is the fear of US reprisal. If Russia understood that the present US was a big farce, just like Ukraine, they might have taken the world long ago.

However...


Lifting the Veil on Russia’s SMO in Ukraine: Is Putin’s Response to NATO’s Provocations a Potemkin Village?


https://geopoliticsandempire.com/2024/08/14/putins-potemkin-village/

"War is a massacre of people who don't know each other for the profit of people who know each other but don't massacre each other."

~ Paul Valéry

Legend has it that when Catherine the Great, Empress of Russia, visited Crimea in 1787, her lover, Prince Grigori Aleksandrovich Potemkin, came up with the idea of constructing entire villages of elaborate-looking wooden structures to impress her.

These beautifully decorated buildings were supposed to deceive the empress into believing the recently developed region had become prosperous under her rule. According to the legend, Crimea was, in reality, a vacant, desolate land, devoid of human activity, much less of thriving villages and a vibrant economy.
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[paxmao]

They write that there was a breakthrough of the russian army at ugledar, we wish good luck to Ukraine.

Looks like whatever breakthrough you are talking about was Russian forces breaking through Ukrainian forces... or is that what you meant.


The Russian army is close to victory in the two-year battle for Ugledar


https://eadaily.com/en/news/2024/09/24/the-russian-army-is-close-to-victory-in-the-two-year-battle-for-ugledar
The area of the city of Ugledar (DPR), which is still under the control of Kiev, has been the scene of hostilities for two years. The moment has come when the city can come under the control of the Russian army.

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They say that Ukraine pulled the good troops out of Ugledar and stuffed it full of toothless territorial defense with instructions to fight to the death.  One can guess that the yanked Zionazis were re-assigned to their customary anti-retreat force duty back in 'more secure defensive positions'.  Zelenski the coke-head just wants to hold Ugledar for a few more days for PR reasons while he is in DC among all his Ziocon friends/tribe-members.

They say the 72nd Brigade of the Ukrainian Armed Forces was waiting for an order to withdraw from Ugledar, but it never came. I think Zelensky decided to sacrifice it to look better in Washington.

And all that could make some sense if Vuhledar had been encircled and then fully taken. If you want to know the difference, look at Vovchansk, where Ukraine did encircle a number of Ruzzian troops a couple of days ago - to which the order to retire never came - and are now chips for the exchange. You need to start spreading the shit after something happens not before - remember for the next time.

[be.open]

They write that there was a breakthrough of the russian army at ugledar, we wish good luck to Ukraine.

Looks like whatever breakthrough you are talking about was Russian forces breaking through Ukrainian forces... or is that what you meant.


The Russian army is close to victory in the two-year battle for Ugledar


https://eadaily.com/en/news/2024/09/24/the-russian-army-is-close-to-victory-in-the-two-year-battle-for-ugledar
The area of the city of Ugledar (DPR), which is still under the control of Kiev, has been the scene of hostilities for two years. The moment has come when the city can come under the control of the Russian army.

[...]

They say that Ukraine pulled the good troops out of Ugledar and stuffed it full of toothless territorial defense with instructions to fight to the death.  One can guess that the yanked Zionazis were re-assigned to their customary anti-retreat force duty back in 'more secure defensive positions'.  Zelenski the coke-head just wants to hold Ugledar for a few more days for PR reasons while he is in DC among all his Ziocon friends/tribe-members.

They say the 72nd Brigade of the Ukrainian Armed Forces was waiting for an order to withdraw from Ugledar, but it never came. I think Zelensky decided to sacrifice it to look better in Washington.

And all that could make some sense if Vuhledar had been encircled and then fully taken. If you want to know the difference, look at Vovchansk, where Ukraine did encircle a number of Ruzzian troops a couple of days ago - to which the order to retire never came - and are now chips for the exchange. You need to start spreading the shit after something happens not before - remember for the next time.

I don't think you have the right to tell me what to say, at least as long as I introduce my personal opinion with the phrase "I think" without trying to pass it off as a fact.

I think that the 72nd Brigade of the Ukrainian Armed Forces had a real chance for an organized exit from Vuhledar a few days ago, but now it is lost. There are no reliable exit routes for the Ukrainian Armed Forces from Vuhledar, both country roads are in the gray zone and under tight fire control from Russia. The 72nd Brigade of the Ukrainian Armed Forces will be completely destroyed in Ugledar in the near future, along with Ugledar itself.

[BADecker]

Part of the reason why Putin has avoided using nukes is the official Russian "laws" that have been set up by the politburo. These are being changed to make it easier for Russia to use nukes legally, by their own laws.


Putin Expands Russia’s Nuclear Doctrine to Include Non-Nuclear Attacks


https://yournews.com/2024/09/25/2856506/putin-expands-russias-nuclear-doctrine-to-include-non-nuclear-attacks/
Russian President Vladimir Putin has announced an expansion of Russia’s nuclear doctrine, suggesting that non-nuclear attacks on Russia or Belarus could prompt a nuclear response.

By yourNEWS Media Newsroom

Russian President Vladimir Putin announced an updated nuclear doctrine on Wednesday, expanding the circumstances under which Russia may resort to using nuclear weapons. Speaking at a meeting of the Russian Security Council, Putin suggested that non-nuclear military aggression against Russia or Belarus, particularly when supported by nuclear powers, could trigger a nuclear response.

“We reserve the right to use nuclear weapons in the event of aggression against Russia and Belarus,” Putin stated, clarifying that Russia’s response would be proportionate to any threat to its sovereignty, regardless of whether the attack was nuclear or non-nuclear.
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Key Ukrainian stronghold of Vuhledar about to fall to Russia as Zelensky begs for more U.S. taxpayer cash in Washington as part of “victory plan”


https://www.naturalnews.com/2024-09-27-vuhledar-falling-russia-zelensky-begs-cash-victory.html
Former LGBT pride marcher and Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky is back in Washington begging for U.S. taxpayer cash as part of his "victory plan" for Kiev.

Even as Moscow is on the verge of taking over Vuhledar, a key Ukrainian stronghold in eastern Europe, Zelensky is ordering Joe Biden and Kamala Harris to funnel him more money and weapons so he can achieve his goals.

"I think that we are closer to peace than we think," Zelensky told ABC News in an interview, clarifying that peace can only come if Ukraine is able to gain a "strong position" with the help of Western cash and weapons of war.

Zelensky says he has no plans to negotiate with Russia, but is rather looking at a victory plan that will create "a bridge to a diplomatic way out, to stop the war."

"We just have to be very, very strong," Zelensky said, stating that he and his regime are largely dependent on the "quick decisions." Zelensky also says that Washington must be "bold" in supporting Kiev's desire to use long-range, Western-made weapons deep within Russian territory.

"Everybody's looking up to [Biden], and we need this to defend ourselves," Zelensky whined to ABC News about how desperately he needs another welfare handout to keep his regime 'in power'.
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[DaRude]

Ukraine’s new infantry recruits ‘freeze’ in face of Russian onslaught
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All aged under 40 and with two years of fighting experience, the six men held their ground despite a barrage of rockets and killed over 100 Russian soldiers, said their commander in Ukraine’s eastern Donetsk region.
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All six new conscripts — most over the age of 40 — were killed or wounded within a week, forcing the unit to retreat.
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Ukraine’s troops and their commanders are growing concerned over manpower problems, particularly the quality of new recruits and the speed at which they are injured or killed in combat.
The Ukrainian infantry is most acutely affected: its troops are grappling with exhaustion and flagging morale, leading some to abandon their positions and allow Russia to capture more land, according to frontline commanders.

Along the front in Donetsk, four commanders, a deputy commander and nearly a dozen soldiers from four Ukrainian brigades told the Financial Times that the new conscripts lack basic combat skills, motivation and often abandon their positions when they come under fire. The commanders estimated that 50 to 70 per cent of new infantry troops were killed or wounded within days of starting their first rotation.

“When the new guys get to the position, a lot of them run away at the first shell explosion,” said a deputy commander in Ukraine’s 72nd mechanised brigade fighting near the eastern city of Vuhledar, a key bulwark that the Russians are attempting to flank.
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But commanders on the ground and military analysts have warned that the newly drafted troops are not highly motivated, are psychologically and physically unprepared — and are being killed at an alarming rate as a result.
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After difficult combat stints, many new conscripts go Awol, commanders said. Some return so shell-shocked and exhausted that they are checked into psychiatric wards.

Seasoned soldiers “are being killed off too quickly”, said another commander on the eastern front, only to be replaced by mostly older men without experience and in worse physical shape.
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Commanders lay part of the blame on military recruiters: “It would be wise to pay more attention to each person’s characteristics and background to see where the guys best fit instead of sending everyone to the infantry,” said Mykhailo Temper, a battery commander in the 21st battalion of Ukraine’s Separate Presidential Brigade.
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Instead, conscripts were still receiving “Soviet-style” training, where “the army just passes everyone with good marks and sends them to the front”, said the deputy commander. New troops rarely practised with live rounds because of ammunition shortages, he added.
“Some of them don’t even know how to hold their rifles. They peel more potatoes than they shoot bullets,” he said, adding that he had bought paintball equipment to replace rifles and live rounds so that new recruits could get more practice without wasting precious ammunition.
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But the commander of an artillery unit said the deaths of tens of thousands of experienced soldiers over the course of the war were taking a toll: “If there are not enough people to fight, there are not enough people to teach.”

Wow despite starting off about some 6 UA super soldiers that apparently killed over 100 RU soldiers, this quickly takes a dark turn. 50%-70% of new UA infantry are killed within days of starting their first rotation  
All this talk about drunk Russian army, paper tiger army on golf carts... apparently has consequences when ignorant people actually believed that stuff. How can anyone push against negotiations and encourage to keep this going into winter?? What do you think UA will be able to achieve during the winter when RU has advantage in manpower, total advantage in the sky, 10-1 advantage in artillery, advantage in missile strikes, advantage in glide bombs... Are they really trying to wipe out the whole nation that they managed to buy with those free cookies? This is just insane!

[cpu6502]

Part of the reason why Putin has avoided using nukes is the official Russian "laws" that have been set up by the politburo. These are being changed to make it easier for Russia to use nukes legally, by their own laws.

Another non-news piece of information.

Putin is a dictator. The only law in Russia is Putin's law; the only law that matters; it takes precedence over all others.
If Putin wanted to shoot nukes about, he would. Some inconvenient piece of text wouldn't stop him. He would just do it and make up the reasons/excuses later.
Russia's nuclear doctrine. Yeah, may as well screw up those worthless papers and put them in the trashcan (along with his red lines.) Putin's law trumps them all.

Two reasons Putin hasn't used nukes:
   1) No guarantee it would deliver victory in Ukraine.
   2) China told him not to do it. Not asked, told.

Putin's law doesn't extend to China it seems.

[paxmao]

Part of the reason why Putin has avoided using nukes is the official Russian "laws" that have been set up by the politburo. These are being changed to make it easier for Russia to use nukes legally, by their own laws.

Another non-news piece of information.

Putin is a dictator. The only law in Russia is Putin's law; the only law that matters; it takes precedence over all others.
If Putin wanted to shoot nukes about, he would. Some inconvenient piece of text wouldn't stop him. He would just do it and make up the reasons/excuses later.
Russia's nuclear doctrine. Yeah, may as well screw up those worthless papers and put them in the trashcan (along with his red lines.) Putin's law trumps them all.

Two reasons Putin hasn't used nukes:
   1) No guarantee it would deliver victory in Ukraine.
   2) China told him not to do it. Not asked, told.

Putin's law doesn't extend to China it seems.

There are bigger reasons. It will not only not guarantee victory - whatever that means for Putin or whatever he is willing to call a victory - but also will call for a strong international rebuke, not just from China.

Another reason is that it is unlikely that he can use nukes without effects in NATO countries, which would inevitably be an attack and would carry a response. Make no mistake: If anything keeps Putin awaken at night is not the number of Ruzzians he has to send to the meatgrinder, the damage to Ruzzias production capability or diplomacy, it is just a NATO direct involvement. A war he cannot win and probably not survive physically.

And the main reason: He is happy to escalate by killing civilians with conventional means, bombing infrastructure, schools, ... anything because he gets limited pay-back to it. But escalation only makes sense if you get more than you loose, and nuking does not fit the case.

[BADecker]

Part of the reason why Putin has avoided using nukes is the official Russian "laws" that have been set up by the politburo. These are being changed to make it easier for Russia to use nukes legally, by their own laws.

Another non-news piece of information.

Putin is a dictator. The only law in Russia is Putin's law; the only law that matters; it takes precedence over all others.
If Putin wanted to shoot nukes about, he would. Some inconvenient piece of text wouldn't stop him. He would just do it and make up the reasons/excuses later.
Russia's nuclear doctrine. Yeah, may as well screw up those worthless papers and put them in the trashcan (along with his red lines.) Putin's law trumps them all.

Two reasons Putin hasn't used nukes:
   1) No guarantee it would deliver victory in Ukraine.
   2) China told him not to do it. Not asked, told.

Putin's law doesn't extend to China it seems.

There are bigger reasons. It will not only not guarantee victory - whatever that means for Putin or whatever he is willing to call a victory - but also will call for a strong international rebuke, not just from China.

Another reason is that it is unlikely that he can use nukes without effects in NATO countries, which would inevitably be an attack and would carry a response. Make no mistake: If anything keeps Putin awaken at night is not the number of Ruzzians he has to send to the meatgrinder, the damage to Ruzzias production capability or diplomacy, it is just a NATO direct involvement. A war he cannot win and probably not survive physically.

And the main reason: He is happy to escalate by killing civilians with conventional means, bombing infrastructure, schools, ... anything because he gets limited pay-back to it. But escalation only makes sense if you get more than you loose, and nuking does not fit the case.

Putin doesn't want to kill or harm anybody. He simply wants fair trade with anybody who wants to trade with Russia. You can't trade with dead people. Nor can you get them to work for you, even if they are citizens of the country you rule.

Putin's big reason for not using nukes is that he sees hope for peace... and the world opening up to fair trade. Make no mistake, he will use nukes when he sees that there isn't any hope for peace.

Note that the reason why Stalin killed so many people is that he was afraid of infiltration from the West and assassination thereby. Later, the KGB became just about as sneaky as the CIA, and the Stalin death need was eliminated.

[paxmao]

Update: This is just to make sure the Ruzzian propaganda channels have a least some challenge when they spread shit. Vuhledar is not yet taken.

About the strikes on ammo storages last weeks... Long, but quite accurate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkwP727sAxg

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Putin doesn't want to kill or harm anybody. He simply wants fair trade with anybody who wants to trade with Russia. You can't trade with dead people. Nor can you get them to work for you, even if they are citizens of the country you rule.

Putin's big reason for not using nukes is that he sees hope for peace... and the world opening up to fair trade. Make no mistake, he will use nukes when he sees that there isn't any hope for peace.

Note that the reason why Stalin killed so many people is that he was afraid of infiltration from the West and assassination thereby. Later, the KGB became just about as sneaky as the CIA, and the Stalin death need was eliminated.

Ruzzia invaded Ukraine in 2014 and then again in 2022.

Since then. all evidence points to the opposite of what you say over and over:

1- Putin is indifferent to harming others, as long as it serves his purposes - you just have to look at the war casualties.
2 - Putin had free trade with most of the world before invading. Now he does not - and it was to be expected.
3 - Putin will not use the nukes unless his regime is at risk and probably not even then. Peace he can have at any time by a fair deal.

On Stalin, your theory is very interesting... I mean, for someone from outer space or coming our of a 100 year's coma. It must be great having a brain like yours, in the sense that it feels not need to filter reality from candyland.

[DaRude]

Part of the reason why Putin has avoided using nukes is the official Russian "laws" that have been set up by the politburo. These are being changed to make it easier for Russia to use nukes legally, by their own laws.

Another non-news piece of information.
astonishing
Putin is a dictator. The only law in Russia is Putin's law; the only law that matters; it takes precedence over all others.
If Putin wanted to shoot nukes about, he would. Some inconvenient piece of text wouldn't stop him. He would just do it and make up the reasons/excuses later.
Russia's nuclear doctrine. Yeah, may as well screw up those worthless papers and put them in the trashcan (along with his red lines.) Putin's law trumps them all.

Two reasons Putin hasn't used nukes:
   1) No guarantee it would deliver victory in Ukraine.
   2) China told him not to do it. Not asked, told.

Putin's law doesn't extend to China it seems.

There are bigger reasons. It will not only not guarantee victory - whatever that means for Putin or whatever he is willing to call a victory - but also will call for a strong international rebuke, not just from China.

Another reason is that it is unlikely that he can use nukes without effects in NATO countries, which would inevitably be an attack and would carry a response. Make no mistake: If anything keeps Putin awaken at night is not the number of Ruzzians he has to send to the meatgrinder, the damage to Ruzzias production capability or diplomacy, it is just a NATO direct involvement. A war he cannot win and probably not survive physically.

And the main reason: He is happy to escalate by killing civilians with conventional means, bombing infrastructure, schools, ... anything because he gets limited pay-back to it. But escalation only makes sense if you get more than you loose, and nuking does not fit the case.

Let's not go over this again, no one will win a nuclear war between NATO and Russia. That is, the whole world would loose. When you accept that as a fundamental truth, everything else falls into place (e.g. why Zelenskyy went home without permission to use ATACMS deep inside Russia). How the whole Ukrainian nation was so blinded that they would ignore such simple fact is quiet astonishing to me. Once this is all over, I expect a lot of documents to get declassified which would give us a glimpse at how exactly that was achieved.

[Branko]

There are bigger reasons. It will not only not guarantee victory - whatever that means for Putin or whatever he is willing to call a victory - but also will call for a strong international rebuke, not just from China.

Another reason is that it is unlikely that he can use nukes without effects in NATO countries, which would inevitably be an attack and would carry a response. Make no mistake: If anything keeps Putin awaken at night is not the number of Ruzzians he has to send to the meatgrinder, the damage to Ruzzias production capability or diplomacy, it is just a NATO direct involvement. A war he cannot win and probably not survive physically.

And the main reason: He is happy to escalate by killing civilians with conventional means, bombing infrastructure, schools, ... anything because he gets limited pay-back to it. But escalation only makes sense if you get more than you loose, and nuking does not fit the case.

Find me one USA post WW2 war where ratio of civilians and soldiers killed was better for civilians than this Russia-Ukraine war.
Agent Orange killed more Vietnam children AFTER war ended, than civilians died in Ukraine-Russia war

Update: This is just to make sure the Ruzzian propaganda channels have a least some challenge when they spread shit. Vuhledar is not yet taken.

Its over, now its only a question if remaining few Ukrainian soldiers want to suicide, or surrender:

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/10/fortress-ugledar-is-completely-encircled-about-fall-any/

[paxmao]

Part of the reason why Putin has avoided using nukes is the official Russian "laws" that have been set up by the politburo. These are being changed to make it easier for Russia to use nukes legally, by their own laws.

Another non-news piece of information.
astonishing
Putin is a dictator. The only law in Russia is Putin's law; the only law that matters; it takes precedence over all others.
If Putin wanted to shoot nukes about, he would. Some inconvenient piece of text wouldn't stop him. He would just do it and make up the reasons/excuses later.
Russia's nuclear doctrine. Yeah, may as well screw up those worthless papers and put them in the trashcan (along with his red lines.) Putin's law trumps them all.

Two reasons Putin hasn't used nukes:
   1) No guarantee it would deliver victory in Ukraine.
   2) China told him not to do it. Not asked, told.

Putin's law doesn't extend to China it seems.

There are bigger reasons. It will not only not guarantee victory - whatever that means for Putin or whatever he is willing to call a victory - but also will call for a strong international rebuke, not just from China.

Another reason is that it is unlikely that he can use nukes without effects in NATO countries, which would inevitably be an attack and would carry a response. Make no mistake: If anything keeps Putin awaken at night is not the number of Ruzzians he has to send to the meatgrinder, the damage to Ruzzias production capability or diplomacy, it is just a NATO direct involvement. A war he cannot win and probably not survive physically.

And the main reason: He is happy to escalate by killing civilians with conventional means, bombing infrastructure, schools, ... anything because he gets limited pay-back to it. But escalation only makes sense if you get more than you loose, and nuking does not fit the case.

Let's not go over this again, no one will win a nuclear war between NATO and Russia. That is, the whole world would loose. When you accept that as a fundamental truth, everything else falls into place (e.g. why Zelenskyy went home without permission to use ATACMS deep inside Russia). How the whole Ukrainian nation was so blinded that they would ignore such simple fact is quiet astonishing to me. Once this is all over, I expect a lot of documents to get declassified which would give us a glimpse at how exactly that was achieved.

Sure, let's no go over how Putin keeps on threatening = e.g. changing what they call the law to make it what they call legal to target Ukraine with nukes.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5yjej0rvw0o

Vladimir Putin says Russia would consider an attack from a non-nuclear state that was backed by a nuclear-armed one to be a "joint attack", in what could be construed as a threat to use nuclear weapons in the war in Ukraine.
In key remarks on Wednesday night, the Russian president said his government was considering changing the rules and preconditions around which Russia would use its nuclear arsenal.
Ukraine is a non-nuclear state that receives military support from the US and other nuclear-armed countries.
His comments come as Kyiv seeks approval to use long-range Western missiles against military sites in Russia.

Obviously a man of peace sure.

The interesting thing is that Ukraine can achieve anyway a similar result - not exactly equal, but good enough -  without such means. Three giant-sized weapons depots blasted using the latest generation of drones. Perhaps using ballistic missiles may not be needed after all.

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2024/09/18/ukraine-destroys-huge-russian-ammunition-depot-with-first-of-its-kind-ground-breaking-innovative-missiles_6726538_4.html

explosions destroyed a vast ammunition depot adjacent to the town of Toropets, in the Tver region of Russia

located 500 kilometers north of the Ukrainian border and storing 240 tonnes of ammunition, was hit by projectiles fired by the Ukrainian army. The explosions were so powerful that they were detected by seismic monitoring systems. The first tremor of magnitude 2.8 were recorded at 3:56 am, followed by seven weaker ones, ranging from 2 to 2.8 on the Richter scale.

[DaRude]

Part of the reason why Putin has avoided using nukes is the official Russian "laws" that have been set up by the politburo. These are being changed to make it easier for Russia to use nukes legally, by their own laws.

Another non-news piece of information.
astonishing
Putin is a dictator. The only law in Russia is Putin's law; the only law that matters; it takes precedence over all others.
If Putin wanted to shoot nukes about, he would. Some inconvenient piece of text wouldn't stop him. He would just do it and make up the reasons/excuses later.
Russia's nuclear doctrine. Yeah, may as well screw up those worthless papers and put them in the trashcan (along with his red lines.) Putin's law trumps them all.

Two reasons Putin hasn't used nukes:
   1) No guarantee it would deliver victory in Ukraine.
   2) China told him not to do it. Not asked, told.

Putin's law doesn't extend to China it seems.

There are bigger reasons. It will not only not guarantee victory - whatever that means for Putin or whatever he is willing to call a victory - but also will call for a strong international rebuke, not just from China.

Another reason is that it is unlikely that he can use nukes without effects in NATO countries, which would inevitably be an attack and would carry a response. Make no mistake: If anything keeps Putin awaken at night is not the number of Ruzzians he has to send to the meatgrinder, the damage to Ruzzias production capability or diplomacy, it is just a NATO direct involvement. A war he cannot win and probably not survive physically.

And the main reason: He is happy to escalate by killing civilians with conventional means, bombing infrastructure, schools, ... anything because he gets limited pay-back to it. But escalation only makes sense if you get more than you loose, and nuking does not fit the case.

Let's not go over this again, no one will win a nuclear war between NATO and Russia. That is, the whole world would loose. When you accept that as a fundamental truth, everything else falls into place (e.g. why Zelenskyy went home without permission to use ATACMS deep inside Russia). How the whole Ukrainian nation was so blinded that they would ignore such simple fact is quiet astonishing to me. Once this is all over, I expect a lot of documents to get declassified which would give us a glimpse at how exactly that was achieved.

Sure, let's no go over how Putin keeps on threatening = e.g. changing what they call the law to make it what they call legal to target Ukraine with nukes.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5yjej0rvw0o

Vladimir Putin says Russia would consider an attack from a non-nuclear state that was backed by a nuclear-armed one to be a "joint attack", in what could be construed as a threat to use nuclear weapons in the war in Ukraine.
In key remarks on Wednesday night, the Russian president said his government was considering changing the rules and preconditions around which Russia would use its nuclear arsenal.
Ukraine is a non-nuclear state that receives military support from the US and other nuclear-armed countries.
His comments come as Kyiv seeks approval to use long-range Western missiles against military sites in Russia.

Obviously a man of peace sure.

The interesting thing is that Ukraine can achieve anyway a similar result - not exactly equal, but good enough -  without such means. Three giant-sized weapons depots blasted using the latest generation of drones. Perhaps using ballistic missiles may not be needed after all.

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2024/09/18/ukraine-destroys-huge-russian-ammunition-depot-with-first-of-its-kind-ground-breaking-innovative-missiles_6726538_4.html

explosions destroyed a vast ammunition depot adjacent to the town of Toropets, in the Tver region of Russia

located 500 kilometers north of the Ukrainian border and storing 240 tonnes of ammunition, was hit by projectiles fired by the Ukrainian army. The explosions were so powerful that they were detected by seismic monitoring systems. The first tremor of magnitude 2.8 were recorded at 3:56 am, followed by seven weaker ones, ranging from 2 to 2.8 on the Richter scale.

X sending X made bombs, transporting on X equipment, programmed by X personnel, using X made secret maps, and X guidance system, and X satellites during the flight only for Y to push the red button, apparently didn't convince anyone that X shouldn't be considered to be a part of the conflict. And rightfully so, wouldn't you say?

Try turning that around, what if Russia gave missiles to Yemen, transported them to Yemen, Russians programing the missile to strike deep inside US, Russians then loaded their secret maps, and then using Russian guidance system and satellites, only for a Yemeni to press the red button would absolve Russia from any responsibility? I'm sure the US would totally see it that way too

That's the whole premise for countries exporting advanced weapons being liable for it. Why else do you think nations receiving the advanced weapons must ask for permission. Otherwise we would've already nuked our blue marble with humanities last words laying blame on some proxy country.

[be.open]

Update: This is just to make sure the Ruzzian propaganda channels have a least some challenge when they spread shit. Vuhledar is not yet taken.

Well, it's only been three days since your message, and Ugledar has already been taken. Good job.

[paxmao]

Update: This is just to make sure the Ruzzian propaganda channels have a least some challenge when they spread shit. Vuhledar is not yet taken.

Well, it's only been three days since your message, and Ugledar has already been taken. Good job.

Thus, the messages of the resident trolls here speaking about it falling three days ago and a fake "no order to retreat" and the like at THAT moment  were false information just like I said - not that all the rest is usually anything else.

Vuhledar, whatever the degree of control as of now, was useful to Ukraine as it was easy to defend and kept some Ruzzian transportation routes well observed and under fire. But, useful does not mean irreplaceable.

For example, someone had said that Germany was going to cut aid to Ukraine or not provide any more funds because certain "investigation" on the Nord Stream, but then...

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/germany-set-approve-397-million-euros-ukraine-military-aid-letter-says-2024-09-19/

BERLIN, Sept 19 (Reuters) - Germany is set to approve close to 400 million euros ($450 million) in additional military aid to Ukraine, according to a finance ministry letter seen by Reuters on Thursday. The funds are in addition to around 8 billion euros budgeted for Ukraine in 2024.
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... as the country hopes Ukraine will be able to meet the bulk of its military needs with the $50 billion in loans from the proceeds of frozen Russian assets approved by the Group of Seven.

Seems like Ruzzia is going to pay for the war against Ruzzia.

I am afraid that under the current Ruzzian claims and the current Ukrainian defensive position, there seems to be little chance for peace this year. Perhaps the US elections might change that... or maybe not.

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X sending X made bombs, transporting on X equipment, programmed by X personnel, using X made secret maps, and X guidance system, and X satellites during the flight only for Y to push the red button, apparently didn't convince anyone that X shouldn't be considered to be a part of the conflict. And rightfully so, wouldn't you say?

Try turning that around, what if Russia gave missiles to Yemen, transported them to Yemen, Russians programing the missile to strike deep inside US, Russians then loaded their secret maps, and then using Russian guidance system and satellites, only for a Yemeni to press the red button would absolve Russia from any responsibility? I'm sure the US would totally see it that way too

That's the whole premise for countries exporting advanced weapons being liable for it. Why else do you think nations receiving the advanced weapons must ask for permission. Otherwise we would've already nuked our blue marble with humanities last words laying blame on some proxy country.

That is something solved by international law, war is not a "new thing". International law allows neutral countries to trade with whomever they wish. Weapons are goods and services, like training or maintaining, are equally tradeable. So...

I load a gun, sell you a loaded gun, guide you through target practice with the gun and tell you how to aim the gun and what are the best targets, all done according to the law.

You fire the gun and kill someone. Who is going to jail if caught?

[Branko]

Washington post totally disagree with our friend paxmao:

"“Eastern Ukraine is buckling under improved Russian tactics and superior firepower”: The Washington Post reports a fundamental shift in Russian military tactics as it “advances at an unprecedented pace.”

“Adversary troops are storming in small groups, supported by superior artillery and drones, making them difficult to detect and difficult to fire back at. Russia has also improved its combat communications, helping coordinate attacks. And while Russian casualties are staggering, the Ukrainian Armed Forces say they have enough fighters to keep the pressure up, and Western aid is not making up for the shortfall.

This confluence of factors, coupled with Ukraine’s ongoing replenishment problem and its focus on the operation inside Russia, has allowed Russian fighters to begin seizing territory in the Donetsk region with a speed and aggression not seen since the full-scale invasion in 2022.  Ukrainian troops are retreating dozens of miles along the front line and losing significant areas of territory""

[BADecker]

^^^ paxmao is simply part of the warmonger force. He probably has investments in war-machine manufacturing. The way this works is something like this.

For Ukraine to be able to keep on fighting, she needs help. When the West supplies the war machines Ukraine needs, they have to manufacture them. This means more money for the manufacturers. paxmao, being part of the war machine manufacturing investment group, earns money. And that is what he wants... more Ukraine, more war materials, more sales to governments for Ukraine, more money in his pocket.

The thing that paxmao probably realizes - and that paxmao is probably invested in - is the Russian war machine manufacturing process, at the same time. Russian war machine manufacturers make more money with the war going on, as well.

But if paxmao DOESN'T realize this, he should learn that the same war that is defeating Ukraine, is growing Russian military strength. Of course, his total talk might be propaganda. Maybe he gets paid as a lobbyist for all his war talk that he does here... and who knows where else.

[paxmao]

^^^ DumBAss, you do not want peace, you want surrender which means another war in a couple of years.

I know you are not great at providing reasons, you just throw stuff to see how much sticks, but perhaps you will answer a couple of questions:

If Putin gets what he wants, what stops him for wanting more? And what stops him from going to war again and again to get it?

You do not have real answer to any of this, you are just repeating slogans from you local MAGA priest / part time janitor.

Washington post totally disagree with our friend paxmao:

"“Eastern Ukraine is buckling under improved Russian tactics and superior firepower”: The Washington Post reports a fundamental shift in Russian military tactics as it “advances at an unprecedented pace.”

“Adversary troops are storming in small groups, supported by superior artillery and drones, making them difficult to detect and difficult to fire back at. Russia has also improved its combat communications, helping coordinate attacks. And while Russian casualties are staggering, the Ukrainian Armed Forces say they have enough fighters to keep the pressure up, and Western aid is not making up for the shortfall.

This confluence of factors, coupled with Ukraine’s ongoing replenishment problem and its focus on the operation inside Russia, has allowed Russian fighters to begin seizing territory in the Donetsk region with a speed and aggression not seen since the full-scale invasion in 2022.  Ukrainian troops are retreating dozens of miles along the front line and losing significant areas of territory""

If you want to quote, you should provide the refence link so that I can see how you have manipulated it it really says what you say it says. For example, if you quote some Viktor V out there instead of the original, it would be noticed because you did not link the original.

Despite, the WP would say whatever sells more news or... and this is important, whatever is best for a purpose: e.g. obtaining more aid for Ukraine, which you do not get if you say all is going to plan. You want proper information, there are plenty of mappers and a few provide very good frontline updates. For example, if you go here:

https://map.ukrdailyupdate.com/?lat=51.296705&lng=34.740143&z=11&d=19997&c=1&l=0

you will observe how Ukraine has advanced south of the Seim over the last week.

[BADecker]

^^^ DumBAss, you do not want peace, you want surrender which means another war in a couple of years.

I know you are not great at providing reasons, you just throw stuff to see how much sticks, but perhaps you will answer a couple of questions:

If Putin gets what he wants, what stops him for wanting more? And what stops him from going to war again and again to get it?

You do not have real answer to any of this, you are just repeating slogans from you local MAGA priest / part time janitor.

Surrender means peace. You contradict what you say. Surrender means fewer deaths, no matter what you think.

Further, There will be war again whether this one stops or not. Do you really think that the stopping of this war is the only thing that will cause another war in the future? The only best bet is that Trump will slow things down so firmly that it will take a long time for another war to start.

Further, anybody can change their mind, even Putin. But we know what Putin's mind is right now. He shows it by not simply destroying Ukraine. So, let's stop the war now while Putin is in a 'good' mood. The only way is Ukraine surrender.

You sound like a lobbyist. You blab away without really thinking about what you say. Which warmonger group do you work for?

Washington post totally disagree with our friend paxmao:

"“Eastern Ukraine is buckling under improved Russian tactics and superior firepower”: The Washington Post reports a fundamental shift in Russian military tactics as it “advances at an unprecedented pace.”

“Adversary troops are storming in small groups, supported by superior artillery and drones, making them difficult to detect and difficult to fire back at. Russia has also improved its combat communications, helping coordinate attacks. And while Russian casualties are staggering, the Ukrainian Armed Forces say they have enough fighters to keep the pressure up, and Western aid is not making up for the shortfall.

This confluence of factors, coupled with Ukraine’s ongoing replenishment problem and its focus on the operation inside Russia, has allowed Russian fighters to begin seizing territory in the Donetsk region with a speed and aggression not seen since the full-scale invasion in 2022.  Ukrainian troops are retreating dozens of miles along the front line and losing significant areas of territory""

If you want to quote, you should provide the refence link so that I can see how you have manipulated it it really says what you say it says. For example, if you quote some Viktor V out there instead of the original, it would be noticed because you did not link the original.

Despite, the WP would say whatever sells more news or... and this is important, whatever is best for a purpose: e.g. obtaining more aid for Ukraine, which you do not get if you say all is going to plan. You want proper information, there are plenty of mappers and a few provide very good frontline updates. For example, if you go here:

https://map.ukrdailyupdate.com/?lat=51.296705&lng=34.740143&z=11&d=19997&c=1&l=0

you will observe how Ukraine has advanced south of the Seim over the last week.

The point isn't any Ukraine advance. The point is how many troops they lost and how long they will be able to hang onto anything that they gained. The second point is if Russia wanted them to do it for strategic reasons.

Ugledar is essentially lost if it hasn't fallen by now. Russia will put it to better use, anyway.

Just curious. What's your reason for advertising Ukraine, really? Are you really a paid lobbyist? Or are you simply upset that somebody else is right and you are wrong?

[Branko]

^^^ DumBAss, you do not want peace, you want surrender which means another war in a couple of years.

I know you are not great at providing reasons, you just throw stuff to see how much sticks, but perhaps you will answer a couple of questions:

If Putin gets what he wants, what stops him for wanting more? And what stops him from going to war again and again to get it?

You do not have real answer to any of this, you are just repeating slogans from you local MAGA priest / part time janitor.

By your own writings, Russian military is SO bad that they can't attack anyone after Ukraine, and if they do, you'll send 10 SAS
members and they will wipe whole Russian army