[Boxing] Crawford vs Spence

[bisdak40]

IMO, this whole circus and failure to materialize this fight could be blamed to Errol Spence and it seems to me that the latter is playing safe and for me, if he have fought Crawford, he could lose that is why he avoided him at this time. I just starting to think that "eye injury" just might be an alibi for him to cancel his fight with the Pacman lol.

Per article that I have read, Spence might fight Thurman and we all knew how dangerous Thurman is so let us wait and see if this negotiation will prosper.

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[Baofeng]

Per article that I have read, Spence might fight Thurman and we all knew how dangerous Thurman is so let us wait and see if this negotiation will prosper.

That's also what I suspected, that he will go after Thurman because it's the next best thing for him as both are under the PBC banner. And it's really hard to see how the fight will prosper, because Crawford going public, he put Al Haymon in bad light.

Although it's no secret in the boxing industry that Haymon is one of the most powerful figure, you even don't see his face, unlike Bob Arum or Oscar Dela Hoya or Eddie Hearn. He just built his company in some other ways that's why he has total control of this fight and won't give a chance to those companies that Crawford mentioned.

[harizen]

I'm surprised here that Spence Jr. still not yet giving much detailed content about why the fight failed to materialize. Being silent is not a good thing for me unless he himself is part of that failed negotiation. Moving forward, Crawford now finally moved on and now chooses to sign another fight.

But we don't know if the negotiation about this fight against Spence will resume next year now that Crawford already witnessed what happened in their first negotiation. Should be one of the biggest fight this year but unfortunately, we might not witnessed it anymore.

[fortunecrypto]

I'm surprised here that Spence Jr. still not yet giving much detailed content about why the fight failed to materialize. Being silent is not a good thing for me unless he himself is part of that failed negotiation. Moving forward, Crawford now finally moved on and now chooses to sign another fight.

But we don't know if the negotiation about this fight against Spence will resume next year now that Crawford already witnessed what happened in their first negotiation. Should be one of the biggest fight this year but unfortunately, we might not witnessed it anymore.

Crawford is right in his decision to move on, its Spence's camp that keeps delaying the fight they want to extract all the money that they can on this fight, and Spence being quiet on the accusation makes us all believe that he agreed on Al Haymond's decision I consider Crawford the real A1 fighter between the two as he agreed to the terms but the other cannot, Spence should get rid of Al Haymond he is the stumbling to make this fight happen.

[Kemarit]

I'm surprised here that Spence Jr. still not yet giving much detailed content about why the fight failed to materialize. Being silent is not a good thing for me unless he himself is part of that failed negotiation. Moving forward, Crawford now finally moved on and now chooses to sign another fight.

But we don't know if the negotiation about this fight against Spence will resume next year now that Crawford already witnessed what happened in their first negotiation. Should be one of the biggest fight this year but unfortunately, we might not witnessed it anymore.

Crawford is right in his decision to move on, its Spence's camp that keeps delaying the fight they want to extract all the money that they can on this fight, and Spence being quiet on the accusation makes us all believe that he agreed on Al Haymond's decision I consider Crawford the real A1 fighter between the two as he agreed to the terms but the other cannot, Spence should get rid of Al Haymond he is the stumbling to make this fight happen.

But I don't think that he can just get rid of Al at this point of his career, Al did a great job mentoring to where Spence is at it right now. And as far as I know, Al is the only black personality at least as a promoter that is powerful enough to guide them.

So it's hard to imagine him leaving PBC just to pursue his fight with Crawford.

On the other hand, Crawford said that he has move forward and the next fight of his is the a new beginning for him, probably as a solo boxer with no promotional ties and wanted to dictate everything in his own terms although it's kinda late in his career.

[Japinat]

IMO, this whole circus and failure to materialize this fight could be blamed to Errol Spence and it seems to me that the latter is playing safe and for me, if he have fought Crawford, he could lose that is why he avoided him at this time. I just starting to think that "eye injury" just might be an alibi for him to cancel his fight with the Pacman lol.

Per article that I have read, Spence might fight Thurman and we all knew how dangerous Thurman is so let us wait and see if this negotiation will prosper.

Surely it looked like a circus to me. Spence is the one who should be blame and Al Haymon as well because they know that the current Terence Crawford is still unstoppable. Sure Al's boy could throw some serious punch but Crawford will just eat all of it to the point that Crawford could return all those heavy punches. It was just a show to hype Spence's name just because he defeated Ugas with a stoppage.

As of now, we all have a speculations on who will face Spence next, let's just wait for it because their camp is quite unpredictable

[stadus]

Ok guys here is what Crawford has to say about the failed negotiations, In summary:

1. Crawford starts talking to Al Haymon of PBC in May
2. Crawford got a contract along August, and according to him it's not even a regular contract
3. Haymon said that he is talking to someone from Team Crawford, but Crawford himself says that he didn't even know the person
4. Crawford tells Al that there are 2 companies are interested in the fight and willing to pay $25 m each guaranteed purse.
5.  ‘I’m not letting nobody touch this fight.’ Haymon said

You can read everything here: https://www.badlefthook.com/2022/11/2/23436522/terence-crawford-tells-all-on-failed-negotiations-with-errol-spence

And perhaps everyone can give  their opinion on who is to blame on this mess up. Or probably you can see how powerful Al Haymon is, or at least his tactics in negotiations. And maybe why it's hard to make fight between him and Top Rank.

After reading the whole article, it seems to me that they are just indeed playing with Terence Crawford for months letting him go back and forth trying to make the fight happen while neither Al Haymon and Spence is willing to do the negotiations. We all know that Crawford have no problems on getting a smaller slice just to make the fight happen but that isn't the real issue because Al and Spence doesn't have any plan at all, as of this moment.

Yes, seems that is the case here, they know that Crawford doesn't have a manager so now they like negotiating to someone that Crawford is not aware of. In short, they are taking advantage of him and for sure force him on the wall and accept all the terms, including the purse split.

Crawford already said that there's this 2 big companies who are offering them a guaranteed purse but Al Haymon is objecting to it. That for me is already clear that they have no plans at all. Crawford started to talk about the real score so that the people will know and that he is not the one who is ducking. Now, Al Haymon and Spence will be forced to release their own statement too because I don't think that they will be holding their tongues after this.

That is the bad side of boxing, Al wanted all the money in his side because he knows that this is a big fight. Not sure how PBC will refute Crawford's story and if they will, for sure they will point all the blame on Crawford and really put the fight on hold or maybe it really won't happen now.

I'm starting to think that Al Haymon just made it all up that there's really this person that identified himself/herself as a part of Crawford's team and wants to begin a negotiation without Crawford knowing who it is and without him on the discussion. I mean, Al Haymon is seriously not that dumb to start anything without Crawford's presence or any indications that they are in-fact sending somebody on their behalf.

Al Haymon just wanted to keep it under wraps and make the fight happen under his command knowing that this fight will bring his company millions, but the problem now is that Al Haymon nor Errol Spence Jr. are not that interested to make it a reality. Not now while Crawford is still so dangerous.

[wheelz1200]

IMO, this whole circus and failure to materialize this fight could be blamed to Errol Spence and it seems to me that the latter is playing safe and for me, if he have fought Crawford, he could lose that is why he avoided him at this time. I just starting to think that "eye injury" just might be an alibi for him to cancel his fight with the Pacman lol.

Per article that I have read, Spence might fight Thurman and we all knew how dangerous Thurman is so let us wait and see if this negotiation will prosper.

Surely it looked like a circus to me. Spence is the one who should be blame and Al Haymon as well because they know that the current Terence Crawford is still unstoppable. Sure Al's boy could throw some serious punch but Crawford will just eat all of it to the point that Crawford could return all those heavy punches. It was just a show to hype Spence's name just because he defeated Ugas with a stoppage.

As of now, we all have a speculations on who will face Spence next, let's just wait for it because their camp is quite unpredictable

Agreed.  The more and more I think about it, it was just a show for Spence he didn't want any of Crawford.  Crawford rips through everyone amd Spence would have been no different.  Maybe one day but time is running out to see this one.

[Baofeng]

IMO, this whole circus and failure to materialize this fight could be blamed to Errol Spence and it seems to me that the latter is playing safe and for me, if he have fought Crawford, he could lose that is why he avoided him at this time. I just starting to think that "eye injury" just might be an alibi for him to cancel his fight with the Pacman lol.

Per article that I have read, Spence might fight Thurman and we all knew how dangerous Thurman is so let us wait and see if this negotiation will prosper.

Surely it looked like a circus to me. Spence is the one who should be blame and Al Haymon as well because they know that the current Terence Crawford is still unstoppable. Sure Al's boy could throw some serious punch but Crawford will just eat all of it to the point that Crawford could return all those heavy punches. It was just a show to hype Spence's name just because he defeated Ugas with a stoppage.

As of now, we all have a speculations on who will face Spence next, let's just wait for it because their camp is quite unpredictable

Agreed.  The more and more I think about it, it was just a show for Spence he didn't want any of Crawford.  Crawford rips through everyone amd Spence would have been no different.  Maybe one day but time is running out to see this one.

And Crawford is not done talking or at least criticizing Spence. There are rumors that Spence will be fighting Thurman, then next lucrative fight for him and definitey, "in-house money" for PBC. However, Crawford revealed that Spence told everyone before that he won't fight Thurman.

Anyhow, yeah, seems the fight is off now, and it's hard to see how the fight is going to made when they are still in their primes and holding all the belts in the premier division in boxing.

[AmoreJaz]

IMO, this whole circus and failure to materialize this fight could be blamed to Errol Spence and it seems to me that the latter is playing safe and for me, if he have fought Crawford, he could lose that is why he avoided him at this time. I just starting to think that "eye injury" just might be an alibi for him to cancel his fight with the Pacman lol.

Per article that I have read, Spence might fight Thurman and we all knew how dangerous Thurman is so let us wait and see if this negotiation will prosper.

Surely it looked like a circus to me. Spence is the one who should be blame and Al Haymon as well because they know that the current Terence Crawford is still unstoppable. Sure Al's boy could throw some serious punch but Crawford will just eat all of it to the point that Crawford could return all those heavy punches. It was just a show to hype Spence's name just because he defeated Ugas with a stoppage.

As of now, we all have a speculations on who will face Spence next, let's just wait for it because their camp is quite unpredictable

Agreed.  The more and more I think about it, it was just a show for Spence he didn't want any of Crawford.  Crawford rips through everyone amd Spence would have been no different.  Maybe one day but time is running out to see this one.

we don't know their reasons but we can speculate on these things. there may be some truth about spence's camp not wanting to fight with crawford because they know their chances. but in any case, let's accept that they will go separate ways for now. if there will be clamour from their fans again and they will see tons of money, maybe, they will push thru this anticipated fight.

[Saisher]

After the year-long negotiation, the fight will not push through at all, now all I see in my sports feed are blaming, both parties are resorting to blaming each other, of course, they don't want to get the ire of the boxing community, who expect them to finalize the deal and sign up the contract, they hated each other before the negotiation, they hated each other even more.
This is the scenario after Crawford beat Avanesyan he will rant against Spence and will dare and challenge him to sign the contract, we have this drama this year and it will go on next year.

[TravelMug]

After the year-long negotiation, the fight will not push through at all, now all I see in my sports feed are blaming, both parties are resorting to blaming each other, of course, they don't want to get the ire of the boxing community, who expect them to finalize the deal and sign up the contract, they hated each other before the negotiation, they hated each other even more.
This is the scenario after Crawford beat Avanesyan he will rant against Spence and will dare and challenge him to sign the contract, we have this drama this year and it will go on next year.

Yes, there will be finger pointing as to why the fight will not push through this year. Crawford has tell the story on his side, and we are waiting for Spence to do the same.

The problem is that Crawford has total control of his career now and despite him saying that someone is willing to pay them huge money upfront, Al Haymon doesn't want to and wanted all the money he can get, whether it's 80/20 split or 60/40 split in favor of Spence. This drama for sure will drag next year.

[mirakal]

After the year-long negotiation, the fight will not push through at all, now all I see in my sports feed are blaming, both parties are resorting to blaming each other, of course, they don't want to get the ire of the boxing community, who expect them to finalize the deal and sign up the contract, they hated each other before the negotiation, they hated each other even more.
This is the scenario after Crawford beat Avanesyan he will rant against Spence and will dare and challenge him to sign the contract, we have this drama this year and it will go on next year.

Yes, there will be finger pointing as to why the fight will not push through this year. Crawford has tell the story on his side, and we are waiting for Spence to do the same.

The problem is that Crawford has total control of his career now and despite him saying that someone is willing to pay them huge money upfront, Al Haymon doesn't want to and wanted all the money he can get, whether it's 80/20 split or 60/40 split in favor of Spence. This drama for sure will drag next year.

I have no doubt about that as well because there's a high chance that they will wait for Crawford to get more older before they make the fight happen, the situation is somehow the same as Floyd Mayweather waited Manny Pacquiao to increase his chances, but it wasn't the case because at that time, Manny can still do a hell of a jab on Mayweather that is why a rematch didn't happen. Just saying

[Baofeng]

After the year-long negotiation, the fight will not push through at all, now all I see in my sports feed are blaming, both parties are resorting to blaming each other, of course, they don't want to get the ire of the boxing community, who expect them to finalize the deal and sign up the contract, they hated each other before the negotiation, they hated each other even more.

They already got the ire of the boxing community, for not delivering the fight that we wanted. And instead, they for sure are going on separate ways, Crawford has a schedule fight already this December.

And for sure, Spence will have too early next year, it is reported that Thurman will be next.

But the camp of Vergil Ortiz is lobbying WBC right now to have a title eliminator between Ortiz and Thurman.

So lets see if WBC will order a mandatory eliminator fight between the two or if Spence is willing to lay his belt on the winner for next year.

[Kemarit]

I think it's very clear now as who duck who, I think that Spence wanted to fight Crawford, but it is Al Haymon that is making it hard for this fight and for sure they really wanted to fuck up Crawford by not offering any guaranteed price in his pocket.

Even Oscar Dela Hoya echo the sentiment of Crawford that indeed, it's hard to negotiate with Haymon and all they wanted is that they have all the advantage in the table. That is not supposed a negotiation should look like.

https://www.badlefthook.com/2022/11/4/23440631/oscar-de-la-hoya-threatens-to-expose-al-haymon-for-blocking-big-fights-boxing-news-2022

[inthelongrun]

I think it's very clear now as who duck who, I think that Spence wanted to fight Crawford, but it is Al Haymon that is making it hard for this fight and for sure they really wanted to fuck up Crawford by not offering any guaranteed price in his pocket.

Even Oscar Dela Hoya echo the sentiment of Crawford that indeed, it's hard to negotiate with Haymon and all they wanted is that they have all the advantage in the table. That is not supposed a negotiation should look like.

https://www.badlefthook.com/2022/11/4/23440631/oscar-de-la-hoya-threatens-to-expose-al-haymon-for-blocking-big-fights-boxing-news-2022

I am partly blaming Errol Spence as well, he is a PPV fighter. PPV fighters can demand because they are the cash cows in boxing. Teofimo Lopez and Terrence Crawford are just a few that can fuck up their own promoters because they knew they are superstars and are in demand. They can sign with any promoters easily. But Errol Spence remained silent and is not showing his eagerness to fight Crawford. Maybe he knows that he cannot beat the boogeyman even though Crawford is nearly a year inactive. What a shame. I am really disappointed with Spence. He is rich but does he even care about entering the Hall of Fame that every proud boxer wanted? With Spence's age, it is difficult for him to become a 3-division champion. I don't think becoming a 2 division champion without a lineal or Ring belt is enough to enter the Hall of Fame. Whereas Crawford already has 1 division undisputed, 2 divisions lineal, and an overall 3 division champion.

I am interested to hear everything Oscar De La Hoya wants to tell the public about Al Haymon. Although I think I already know around half of what he will be saying online. Oscar De La Hoya's Golden Boy Promotions is once the biggest before he was fucked up by his own CEO Richard Schaefer. Most of its fighters were later signed by Al Haymon's then newly found PBC. And there were fights that never happened due to promotional and network issues even if they were supposedly mandatory fights like the Jermall Charlo- Jaime Mungia match-up.

[stadus]

IMO, this whole circus and failure to materialize this fight could be blamed to Errol Spence and it seems to me that the latter is playing safe and for me, if he have fought Crawford, he could lose that is why he avoided him at this time. I just starting to think that "eye injury" just might be an alibi for him to cancel his fight with the Pacman lol.

Per article that I have read, Spence might fight Thurman and we all knew how dangerous Thurman is so let us wait and see if this negotiation will prosper.

Surely it looked like a circus to me. Spence is the one who should be blame and Al Haymon as well because they know that the current Terence Crawford is still unstoppable. Sure Al's boy could throw some serious punch but Crawford will just eat all of it to the point that Crawford could return all those heavy punches. It was just a show to hype Spence's name just because he defeated Ugas with a stoppage.

As of now, we all have a speculations on who will face Spence next, let's just wait for it because their camp is quite unpredictable

Agreed.  The more and more I think about it, it was just a show for Spence he didn't want any of Crawford.  Crawford rips through everyone amd Spence would have been no different.  Maybe one day but time is running out to see this one.

And Crawford is not done talking or at least criticizing Spence. There are rumors that Spence will be fighting Thurman, then next lucrative fight for him and definitey, "in-house money" for PBC. However, Crawford revealed that Spence told everyone before that he won't fight Thurman.

Anyhow, yeah, seems the fight is off now, and it's hard to see how the fight is going to made when they are still in their primes and holding all the belts in the premier division in boxing.

Errol Spence probably won't fight Thurman but the Al Haymon of the PBC wants him to fight Thurman, it turns out that Spence doesn't have any voice at all because the fact that he remained silent means that he's effectively under Al's control. There's no way that Al Haymon will skip that money fight because Spence clearly have the upper hand compared to Thurman.

[Shamm]

IMO, this whole circus and failure to materialize this fight could be blamed to Errol Spence and it seems to me that the latter is playing safe and for me, if he have fought Crawford, he could lose that is why he avoided him at this time. I just starting to think that "eye injury" just might be an alibi for him to cancel his fight with the Pacman lol.

Per article that I have read, Spence might fight Thurman and we all knew how dangerous Thurman is so let us wait and see if this negotiation will prosper.

Surely it looked like a circus to me. Spence is the one who should be blame and Al Haymon as well because they know that the current Terence Crawford is still unstoppable. Sure Al's boy could throw some serious punch but Crawford will just eat all of it to the point that Crawford could return all those heavy punches. It was just a show to hype Spence's name just because he defeated Ugas with a stoppage.

As of now, we all have a speculations on who will face Spence next, let's just wait for it because their camp is quite unpredictable

Agreed.  The more and more I think about it, it was just a show for Spence he didn't want any of Crawford.  Crawford rips through everyone amd Spence would have been no different.  Maybe one day but time is running out to see this one.

And Crawford is not done talking or at least criticizing Spence. There are rumors that Spence will be fighting Thurman, then next lucrative fight for him and definitey, "in-house money" for PBC. However, Crawford revealed that Spence told everyone before that he won't fight Thurman.

Anyhow, yeah, seems the fight is off now, and it's hard to see how the fight is going to made when they are still in their primes and holding all the belts in the premier division in boxing.

Errol Spence probably won't fight Thurman but the Al Haymon of the PBC wants him to fight Thurman, it turns out that Spence doesn't have any voice at all because the fact that he remained silent means that he's effectively under Al's control. There's no way that Al Haymon will skip that money fight because Spence clearly has the upper hand compared to Thurman.

Spence is under control of AI Haymon of the PBC which means like so said above that if spence don't like the fighter that he gonna fight but if AI want them to face each other then for sure spence will fight that fighter as it was the recommended by the team. But if that's will happen thurman vs spence then it's gonna be a good fight as we all know that this both fighter are good in offenses so what we are expecting is like a veteran fight.

[btc_angela]

^ Yes, that's the thing when fighters are under contract, in this case Spence under PBC. He can't do anything if the management says that he needs to fight boxer A. So even if he doesn't want to, for sure he will be force to fight Thurman next as they have been mandated.

As of now, Spence is still blaming Crawford for their fight not happening.

And with that, both fighters now have move on, they will have their own schedule fight. Not sure though if the doors is still open for another set of negotiations if they win their respective fights as Crawford make it public as what is the reasons.

[mirakal]

I think it's very clear now as who duck who, I think that Spence wanted to fight Crawford, but it is Al Haymon that is making it hard for this fight and for sure they really wanted to fuck up Crawford by not offering any guaranteed price in his pocket.

Even Oscar Dela Hoya echo the sentiment of Crawford that indeed, it's hard to negotiate with Haymon and all they wanted is that they have all the advantage in the table. That is not supposed a negotiation should look like.

https://www.badlefthook.com/2022/11/4/23440631/oscar-de-la-hoya-threatens-to-expose-al-haymon-for-blocking-big-fights-boxing-news-2022

I share the same sentiment with you mate, there's a probability that Spence wanted that fight to happen as well but he couldn't do as he please because he is under Al Haymon's control. I know that it got him interested when he heard from Crawford that there are two big companies who are willing to make the fight happen and bring a heavy guaranteed money on their pockets, but as you know, Al Haymon doesn't want it.