[Boxing] Crawford vs Spence

[yazher]

Let's skip for now the discussion about the issue of being "delayed" on any information or updates regarding this fight.

What's your input and feedback guys about Danny Garcia's recent statement that Errol Spence Jr. is too strong for Terence Crawford. When we say "too strong" it means he views the fight as a landslide victory in favor of Spence. I respect his view and even though I'm looking forward to Spence winning at this mega-bout, saying Spence is too much for Crawford is like underestimating the latter.

Errol Spence "too strong" for Terence Crawford says Danny Garcia

Since he lost by Unanimous Decision to Spence, he felt every punch throughout the rounds and made him say this statement. Though too strong, when boxers will surprise their opponent by executing a strong strategy that will gonna break their opponent's defense, they will more likely win the fight. We already see such a scenario when Dmitry Bivol dominated Canelo Alvarez and outboxed him with some surprising winning strategy that completely works to beat him.

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[Daltonik]

Let's skip for now the discussion about the issue of being "delayed" on any information or updates regarding this fight.

What's your input and feedback guys about Danny Garcia's recent statement that Errol Spence Jr. is too strong for Terence Crawford. When we say "too strong" it means he views the fight as a landslide victory in favor of Spence. I respect his view and even though I'm looking forward to Spence winning at this mega-bout, saying Spence is too much for Crawford is like underestimating the latter.

Errol Spence "too strong" for Terence Crawford says Danny Garcia

Yes, it also seems to me that this is a subjective opinion of Danny Garcia based on his experience of the fight with Spence, which he lost, but of course he has the right to speak out and I hope sooner or later we will be able to check it.

[Baofeng]

Let's skip for now the discussion about the issue of being "delayed" on any information or updates regarding this fight.

What's your input and feedback guys about Danny Garcia's recent statement that Errol Spence Jr. is too strong for Terence Crawford. When we say "too strong" it means he views the fight as a landslide victory in favor of Spence. I respect his view and even though I'm looking forward to Spence winning at this mega-bout, saying Spence is too much for Crawford is like underestimating the latter.

Errol Spence "too strong" for Terence Crawford says Danny Garcia

I guess if there is one boxer that we can take his opinion, that is Shawn Porter Jr. He has fought both fighters in their prime. And mind you, Porter beat Danny Garcia so we all know what level Danny Garcia is, hehehe.

In any case, if you seen Spence in his last fight against Ugas, yeah he is really strong, he even talks about moving up in 154 lbs wherein I think Crawford can't make that weight without sacrificing anything (speed, height, power). I guess it goes down as to who has the better IQ and good chin in this fight. 

[stadus]

Let's skip for now the discussion about the issue of being "delayed" on any information or updates regarding this fight.

What's your input and feedback guys about Danny Garcia's recent statement that Errol Spence Jr. is too strong for Terence Crawford. When we say "too strong" it means he views the fight as a landslide victory in favor of Spence. I respect his view and even though I'm looking forward to Spence winning at this mega-bout, saying Spence is too much for Crawford is like underestimating the latter.

Errol Spence "too strong" for Terence Crawford says Danny Garcia

I guess if there is one boxer that we can take his opinion, that is Shawn Porter Jr. He has fought both fighters in their prime. And mind you, Porter beat Danny Garcia so we all know what level Danny Garcia is, hehehe.

In any case, if you seen Spence in his last fight against Ugas, yeah he is really strong, he even talks about moving up in 154 lbs wherein I think Crawford can't make that weight without sacrificing anything (speed, height, power). I guess it goes down as to who has the better IQ and good chin in this fight. 

Spence was strong but Crawford is a more technical boxer than him.

When he fought  Shawn Porter Jr. the decision was a split decision, but when Crawford fought  Shawn Porter Jr., he beat him via KO. I thin we know who is the better fighter but we cannot deny that Spence thought he is the better fighter because he had more belts than Crawford.

[Kelvinid]

Let's skip for now the discussion about the issue of being "delayed" on any information or updates regarding this fight.

What's your input and feedback guys about Danny Garcia's recent statement that Errol Spence Jr. is too strong for Terence Crawford. When we say "too strong" it means he views the fight as a landslide victory in favor of Spence. I respect his view and even though I'm looking forward to Spence winning at this mega-bout, saying Spence is too much for Crawford is like underestimating the latter.

Errol Spence "too strong" for Terence Crawford says Danny Garcia

I guess if there is one boxer that we can take his opinion, that is Shawn Porter Jr. He has fought both fighters in their prime. And mind you, Porter beat Danny Garcia so we all know what level Danny Garcia is, hehehe.

In any case, if you seen Spence in his last fight against Ugas, yeah he is really strong, he even talks about moving up in 154 lbs wherein I think Crawford can't make that weight without sacrificing anything (speed, height, power). I guess it goes down as to who has the better IQ and good chin in this fight. 

Spence was strong but Crawford is a more technical boxer than him.

When he fought  Shawn Porter Jr. the decision was a split decision, but when Crawford fought  Shawn Porter Jr., he beat him via KO. I thin we know who is the better fighter but we cannot deny that Spence thought he is the better fighter because he had more belts than Crawford.

I would also back Crawford to win, he is faster than Spence I believe and he has a better strategy than Spence who only loves to fight toe to toe and just rely on his power. If Crawford will work under Mayweather, then he could probably improve his defense which will give him more edge in this fight.

[Questat]

If Crawford will work under Mayweather, then he could probably improve his defense which will give him more edge in this fight.

That's for sure as Mayweather is the best defensive boxer, and a Hall of Famer, but I hope the will not be taught how to be boring, LOL. I'm really excited about this fight, but until now, it's still not declared that it's official, so what's the real score here?

[wheelz1200]

Let's skip for now the discussion about the issue of being "delayed" on any information or updates regarding this fight.

What's your input and feedback guys about Danny Garcia's recent statement that Errol Spence Jr. is too strong for Terence Crawford. When we say "too strong" it means he views the fight as a landslide victory in favor of Spence. I respect his view and even though I'm looking forward to Spence winning at this mega-bout, saying Spence is too much for Crawford is like underestimating the latter.

Errol Spence "too strong" for Terence Crawford says Danny Garcia

I guess if there is one boxer that we can take his opinion, that is Shawn Porter Jr. He has fought both fighters in their prime. And mind you, Porter beat Danny Garcia so we all know what level Danny Garcia is, hehehe.

In any case, if you seen Spence in his last fight against Ugas, yeah he is really strong, he even talks about moving up in 154 lbs wherein I think Crawford can't make that weight without sacrificing anything (speed, height, power). I guess it goes down as to who has the better IQ and good chin in this fight. 

Well he can't sacrifice height 😅, but i get what you are saying.  Crawford is perfect for his weight class, at this point of his career there is no need to move up in weight class.  Some people's body afford for jumping up and down in classes but Crawford is at the end of his career why would he want to do that unless it's for one last fight to sneak in one more class before he splits.

[Ziskinberg]

Let's skip for now the discussion about the issue of being "delayed" on any information or updates regarding this fight.

What's your input and feedback guys about Danny Garcia's recent statement that Errol Spence Jr. is too strong for Terence Crawford. When we say "too strong" it means he views the fight as a landslide victory in favor of Spence. I respect his view and even though I'm looking forward to Spence winning at this mega-bout, saying Spence is too much for Crawford is like underestimating the latter.

Errol Spence "too strong" for Terence Crawford says Danny Garcia

I guess if there is one boxer that we can take his opinion, that is Shawn Porter Jr. He has fought both fighters in their prime. And mind you, Porter beat Danny Garcia so we all know what level Danny Garcia is, hehehe.

In any case, if you seen Spence in his last fight against Ugas, yeah he is really strong, he even talks about moving up in 154 lbs wherein I think Crawford can't make that weight without sacrificing anything (speed, height, power). I guess it goes down as to who has the better IQ and good chin in this fight. 

Well he can't sacrifice height 😅, but i get what you are saying.  Crawford is perfect for his weight class, at this point of his career there is no need to move up in weight class.  Some people's body afford for jumping up and down in classes but Crawford is at the end of his career why would he want to do that unless it's for one last fight to sneak in one more class before he splits.

He could move up in weight class if he can beat Spence, well, just like Canelo, when he became an undisputed champion, he sees there was no challenge anymore so he tries to move up but failed in his first attempt. Who knows, maybe Crawford could think of that after success in this possible fight.

[wheelz1200]

Let's skip for now the discussion about the issue of being "delayed" on any information or updates regarding this fight.

What's your input and feedback guys about Danny Garcia's recent statement that Errol Spence Jr. is too strong for Terence Crawford. When we say "too strong" it means he views the fight as a landslide victory in favor of Spence. I respect his view and even though I'm looking forward to Spence winning at this mega-bout, saying Spence is too much for Crawford is like underestimating the latter.

Errol Spence "too strong" for Terence Crawford says Danny Garcia

I guess if there is one boxer that we can take his opinion, that is Shawn Porter Jr. He has fought both fighters in their prime. And mind you, Porter beat Danny Garcia so we all know what level Danny Garcia is, hehehe.

In any case, if you seen Spence in his last fight against Ugas, yeah he is really strong, he even talks about moving up in 154 lbs wherein I think Crawford can't make that weight without sacrificing anything (speed, height, power). I guess it goes down as to who has the better IQ and good chin in this fight. 

Well he can't sacrifice height 😅, but i get what you are saying.  Crawford is perfect for his weight class, at this point of his career there is no need to move up in weight class.  Some people's body afford for jumping up and down in classes but Crawford is at the end of his career why would he want to do that unless it's for one last fight to sneak in one more class before he splits.

He could move up in weight class if he can beat Spence, well, just like Canelo, when he became an undisputed champion, he sees there was no challenge anymore so he tries to move up but failed in his first attempt. Who knows, maybe Crawford could think of that after success in this possible fight.

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This could actually be a thing.  With both fighters probably wanting a guaranteed purse piracy could definitely eat into possible ppv numbers.  $80 is a bit of s stretch.  Like the article said $20 fights would combat piracy, because it's cheap enough to just buy it then deal with trying to stream it from a reliable source. 

[Yaunfitda]

If Crawford will work under Mayweather, then he could probably improve his defense which will give him more edge in this fight.

That's for sure as Mayweather is the best defensive boxer, and a Hall of Famer, but I hope the will not be taught how to be boring, LOL. I'm really excited about this fight, but until now, it's still not declared that it's official, so what's the real score here?

And besides, Crawford has a perfect defense already, no need to learn new tricks at this point on his career. We can say that it's already perfect as no one has beaten him. Not sure though what his association with Floyd as they have been seen in public together?

Again, at this point, no final word from both camps, so we don't know what is the real score whether negotiations is continuing or has stop already.

[wheelz1200]

If Crawford will work under Mayweather, then he could probably improve his defense which will give him more edge in this fight.

That's for sure as Mayweather is the best defensive boxer, and a Hall of Famer, but I hope the will not be taught how to be boring, LOL. I'm really excited about this fight, but until now, it's still not declared that it's official, so what's the real score here?

And besides, Crawford has a perfect defense already, no need to learn new tricks at this point on his career. We can say that it's already perfect as no one has beaten him. Not sure though what his association with Floyd as they have been seen in public together?

Again, at this point, no final word from both camps, so we don't know what is the real score whether negotiations is continuing or has stop already.

Yeah Floyd's and crawfords style are 2 different and don't mesh.  Floyd was the king of knowing how not to get hit.  Crawford wants to beat you into submission.  His defense is his offense.  Agreed he hasn't lost yet so why mess with his style at this point.

[agustina2]

Not sure though what his association with Floyd as they have been seen in public together?

Maybe Crawford and Mayweather Jr. have an agreement that they don't want to disclose in public. Way back a few months, Mayweather told the public that if the fight will happen officially, he's the one that will announce it first and only believes in him, not another announcement by anyone.

Adding to that, he also said that he/they will promote the fight. Mayweather won't just promote the fight without any advantages or benefits to him. He won't be called "Money" for nothing. We can now assume that Mayweather holds the right of promotion to Crawford.

[harizen]

Agreed he hasn't lost yet so why mess with his style at this point.

Well, changing styles is not appropriate to do now. There's no need for it and not even a necessary thing to do just to have an advantage. Both boxers reached their respective status because of their usual styles. What they do is enhance and improve it.

In any strategy, the right timing plays a key role. That's what both will try to avoid.

If at some point they found the hole on defense, that might be the "turning point".

[LUCKMCFLY]

Well, it is no secret to anyone that Spence is gaining sympathy and more fans, which is a very favorable move for him, especially for the entire business model that can be developed based on it, but following this logic we see that Crawford He doesn't have a promoter yet, I don't know how good he is at representing himself, the scopes as a businessman and as an athlete are standards that can be very demanding, and he may neglect one of the two roles, I know there is a lot of speculation about it In my personal opinion, I say that a good promo is needed to get good fights with many chances of success so that it is done as quickly as possible.

Terrence Crawford's manager will be one making the negotiations with Errol Spence's team. In this scenario, Bud without a promoter is more beneficial in making this fight becoming a reality since it avoids conflict in the networks. His former promoter Bob Arum is locked with ESPN while Al Haymon's PBC, Spence's handler is with Showtime and Fox. So there will be no more negotiations as to who will promote the fight or who will be the lead promoter or which network will televise the fight.

I believe PPV sharing is probably the main reason why they haven't come up with a deal yet. Spence's previous PPV buys are a little better than Crawford's. Spence also has more belts to offer in the division but Crawford is the only ATG of the two.   

If this fight is going to happen in October then a deal needs to materialize within this month or early August since they need at least 2 months to prepare.

Well I think that right now everything is moving more towards Fox, they have more resources and I think they are very well into the business, in fact the fights that have been televised by Fox are very good, if the fight takes place for October, I think it will be one of the best fights for this 2022, I know that the fans ask for more action and if they manage to give it they would be giving that gift to everyone, I also know that the bets would be managed with an unprecedented large number, we would be doing story because I have seen some news where both fighters are taking more followers, they have more interaction with the public and this is a good thing.

Agreed he hasn't lost yet so why mess with his style at this point.

Well, changing styles is not appropriate to do now. There's no need for it and not even a necessary thing to do just to have an advantage. Both boxers reached their respective status because of their usual styles. What they do is enhance and improve it.

In any strategy, the right timing plays a key role. That's what both will try to avoid.

If at some point they found the hole on defense, that might be the "turning point".

It is very difficult to change the style in boxing, something like this is usually done when you do not know what strategy to apply, some fighters do it during the course of the fight, the bad thing is that the body does not respond adequately because the muscles are not used to that kind of stress, although as they say, the mind does everything, when a weakness is found in a boxer, I think that is the best of all strategies.

[inthelongrun]

Well, it is no secret to anyone that Spence is gaining sympathy and more fans, which is a very favorable move for him, especially for the entire business model that can be developed based on it, but following this logic we see that Crawford He doesn't have a promoter yet, I don't know how good he is at representing himself, the scopes as a businessman and as an athlete are standards that can be very demanding, and he may neglect one of the two roles, I know there is a lot of speculation about it In my personal opinion, I say that a good promo is needed to get good fights with many chances of success so that it is done as quickly as possible.

Terrence Crawford's manager will be one making the negotiations with Errol Spence's team. In this scenario, Bud without a promoter is more beneficial in making this fight becoming a reality since it avoids conflict in the networks. His former promoter Bob Arum is locked with ESPN while Al Haymon's PBC, Spence's handler is with Showtime and Fox. So there will be no more negotiations as to who will promote the fight or who will be the lead promoter or which network will televise the fight.

I believe PPV sharing is probably the main reason why they haven't come up with a deal yet. Spence's previous PPV buys are a little better than Crawford's. Spence also has more belts to offer in the division but Crawford is the only ATG of the two.  

If this fight is going to happen in October then a deal needs to materialize within this month or early August since they need at least 2 months to prepare.

Well I think that right now everything is moving more towards Fox, they have more resources and I think they are very well into the business, in fact the fights that have been televised by Fox are very good, if the fight takes place for October, I think it will be one of the best fights for this 2022, I know that the fans ask for more action and if they manage to give it they would be giving that gift to everyone, I also know that the bets would be managed with an unprecedented large number, we would be doing story because I have seen some news where both fighters are taking more followers, they have more interaction with the public and this is a good thing.

We shall see. What is sure if the fight happens is PBC will be the one to promote the fight. And PBC will talk with Showtime and Fox. I believe Showtime who's more experienced in big fights will televise this fight. And were hearing and seeing Stephen Espinoza the head of Showtime talking and giving updates about this fight. And both networks working with PBC have the same boxing budget afaik. So this is about who's network is willing to risk since they will be guaranteeing millions of dollars in this fight without assurances of returns. This is one of the main reasons why HBO left boxing. It's becoming riskier with little returns.

Agreed he hasn't lost yet so why mess with his style at this point.

Well, changing styles is not appropriate to do now. There's no need for it and not even a necessary thing to do just to have an advantage. Both boxers reached their respective status because of their usual styles. What they do is enhance and improve it.

In any strategy, the right timing plays a key role. That's what both will try to avoid.

If at some point they found the hole on defense, that might be the "turning point".

It is very difficult to change the style in boxing, something like this is usually done when you do not know what strategy to apply, some fighters do it during the course of the fight, the bad thing is that the body does not respond adequately because the muscles are not used to that kind of stress, although as they say, the mind does everything, when a weakness is found in a boxer, I think that is the best of all strategies.

I agree with both of you. It is difficult for a fighter to make a major change in his fighting style especially when Bud is already 34 years old. Although he can add some new tricks to his arsenal, it should not affect his main fighting style. I saw a lot of fighters that lost when they made major changes in their fighting styles. Jerwin Ancajas for example lost his belt this year when he tried to brawl in order to entertain the fans and probably wanted to tell the world that he is an exciting fighter when fundamentally he was a technician in the first place. One of my favorites is Acelino Freitas a knockout artist who tried to dance in the ring and outbox the late Diego Corrales. Frietas ended up getting tired in the late rounds and Corrales knocked him out. Anthony Joshua too, he should've let his hands go against Usyk. AJ probably thought that he was already a technician when he outpointed an extremely super fat Andy Ruiz in their rematch.

[Questat]

If Crawford will work under Mayweather, then he could probably improve his defense which will give him more edge in this fight.

That's for sure as Mayweather is the best defensive boxer, and a Hall of Famer, but I hope the will not be taught how to be boring, LOL. I'm really excited about this fight, but until now, it's still not declared that it's official, so what's the real score here?

And besides, Crawford has a perfect defense already, no need to learn new tricks at this point on his career. We can say that it's already perfect as no one has beaten him. Not sure though what his association with Floyd as they have been seen in public together?

Again, at this point, no final word from both camps, so we don't know what is the real score whether negotiations is continuing or has stop already.

Yeah Floyd's and crawfords style are 2 different and don't mesh.  Floyd was the king of knowing how not to get hit.  Crawford wants to beat you into submission.  His defense is his offense.  Agreed he hasn't lost yet so why mess with his style at this point.

Well, maybe a little improvement though but will not totally change his style. Spence is not an ordinary boxer, they have almost the same ranking, so he will not take it easy and will make sure he has some strategy that Spence could not counter.

[carlisle1]

Agreed he hasn't lost yet so why mess with his style at this point.

Well, changing styles is not appropriate to do now. There's no need for it and not even a necessary thing to do just to have an advantage. Both boxers reached their respective status because of their usual styles. What they do is enhance and improve it.

In any strategy, the right timing plays a key role. That's what both will try to avoid.

If at some point they found the hole on defense, that might be the "turning point".

A single mistake that will give an opening from either fighter will not be wasted for sure, its an opportunity to make the opening

and try to put down their opponent. I'm sure there are improvements and adjustment but in terms of changing styles that might be

a risk. Like what you said, timing is very important and since both fighters already achieved, the top, both are more focus on how

they can see the best one to bring their solid attacks to win the fight.

[chaser15]

A single mistake that will give an opening from either fighter will not be wasted for sure, its an opportunity to make the opening and try to put down their opponent.

With how strong the resistance is of both fighters, with both having a strong chin and heavily built, even if they found a way for an opening, I'm sure both boxers will be able to withstand the damage and can still be in their respective good shape.

For one of them to be KO, it needs a lot of power punches before it may happen. Since just thinking about what will be their fate if they lose, they will be under more pressure to force a win. They both care for their respective record and they won't allow experience their first loss.

It will be hard for judges to make the final tally if the fight is closed from Round 1 to 12. I hope for a fair result if that happened.

But if we like to see a non-questionable result, we should hope for a KO win by one of them.

[harizen]

Spence is not an ordinary boxer, they have almost the same ranking, so he will not take it easy and will make sure he has some strategy that Spence could not counter.

On the other hand, expect Crawford to have some prepared strategies to counter Spence too.

Again, as I mentioned, it's about the good timing to execute their respective strategies. If successfully executed, that's a big advantage already as it will take a heavy toll on their opponent. And if one of them will continue to land a perfect blow, that will result in a possible KO win at either of them.

But for me, since they are currently the no. 1 and 2 at the Welterweight division right now, I'm expecting that they won't just play defense all throughout and care for the points per round. I want to see them challenging each other in close combat while saying "I'm the strongest!".

[Kemarit]

Ok, this is just my thoughts, I think it boils down to the guaranteed money for either boxer. I'm not sure of the numbers but we haven't seen 1 million buys for a long time isn't it? And then the PPV is going to be expensive in this one, like $80.00. Is fans willing to pay that much or would rather look for other venues to watch it for free? (just like the majority of us here). So the networks maybe can't guarantee how much they are going to give them in terms of the PPV. Even the Canelo fights are not that generating at least 1 million PPV, he is the cash cow right now. So this could be in the tune of like 500,000-600,000 which might fall to the expectation of networks.