[Boxing] Crawford vs Spence

[Yamifoud]

Nevertheless we have our own opinion and even if the odds are in Crawford's way, for sure there are bettors here who are going for Spence Jr because he has a good resume and tougher opponents.

I'm sure with that, I'm also thinking of a "DRAW", as both fighters are willing to win, they might be so good that they could stand until the end of 12 rounds. I'm thinking, maybe it will be the same scenario with Canelo vs GGG on their first fight, what do you think?

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[robelneo]

Nevertheless we have our own opinion and even if the odds are in Crawford's way, for sure there are bettors here who are going for Spence Jr because he has a good resume and tougher opponents.

I'm sure with that, I'm also thinking of a "DRAW", as both fighters are willing to win, they might be so good that they could stand until the end of 12 rounds. I'm thinking, maybe it will be the same scenario with Canelo vs GGG on their first fight, what do you think?

I'm also thinking of that in the back of my mind, a draw will result in an immediate rematch and the fans will want more, whenever there is a draw fans have conflicting opinions based on how they looked at the fight, if you've made a bet and you are a big fan you will always look at your idol as the winner, a lot of boxing rivals created rematches and trilogies and there's a possibility that this fight, the rematch or even the trilogy will bring excitement to the boxing fans. 

[chaser15]

I'm sure with that, I'm also thinking of a "DRAW", as both fighters are willing to win, they might be so good that they could stand until the end of 12 rounds. I'm thinking, maybe it will be the same scenario with Canelo vs GGG on their first fight, what do you think?

I'm not thinking of a DRAW. Both fighters are not equal in strength believe me. Crawford for me has the upper strength compared to Spence. However, Spence is the most strategic. The characteristics of both of them will lead the match to have a single winner and not a DRAW unless the judges will make it a DRAW.

Crawford is also hungry for legacy, and Spence is hungry for the big purse, and both want to move up after a win. Since both of them has a mission, they will not allow the fight to end in a DRAW. There should be a winner as regardless of the result, a rematch is waving.

[Ziskinberg]

I'm sure with that, I'm also thinking of a "DRAW", as both fighters are willing to win, they might be so good that they could stand until the end of 12 rounds. I'm thinking, maybe it will be the same scenario with Canelo vs GGG on their first fight, what do you think?

I'm not thinking of a DRAW. Both fighters are not equal in strength believe me. Crawford for me has the upper strength compared to Spence. However, Spence is the most strategic. The characteristics of both of them will lead the match to have a single winner and not a DRAW unless the judges will make it a DRAW.

Crawford is also hungry for legacy, and Spence is hungry for the big purse, and both want to move up after a win. Since both of them has a mission, they will not allow the fight to end in a DRAW. There should be a winner as regardless of the result, a rematch is waving.

Anything is possible, including a draw. Both are champions, and although Crawford is the favorite to win but it doesn't mean he is guaranteed to win. Personally, I think Crawford is the better fighter here, but for sure Spence is gonna do everything to win also.

[cryptomaniac_xxx]

I'm sure with that, I'm also thinking of a "DRAW", as both fighters are willing to win, they might be so good that they could stand until the end of 12 rounds. I'm thinking, maybe it will be the same scenario with Canelo vs GGG on their first fight, what do you think?

I'm not thinking of a DRAW. Both fighters are not equal in strength believe me. Crawford for me has the upper strength compared to Spence. However, Spence is the most strategic. The characteristics of both of them will lead the match to have a single winner and not a DRAW unless the judges will make it a DRAW.

Crawford is also hungry for legacy, and Spence is hungry for the big purse, and both want to move up after a win. Since both of them has a mission, they will not allow the fight to end in a DRAW. There should be a winner as regardless of the result, a rematch is waving.

I do agree though, although a draw is possible, but I'm not seeing that it will happen in this first fight. I would disagree though that Spence is the most strategic, boxing IQ also favors Crawford. We have seen him strategized, like switching stance in the middle of the fight that you wouldn't notice.

Might be close but at least there could be rounds that really shows the dominance of either both of the boxers that will make the judges score a definite win.

[goinmerry]

You can ask OP to make a poll on this particular fight, for sure it will be a very close race and I'm not certain who will win although we already have an idea on the betting odds of this fight. Well, both are champions, since Spence is also very confident, then maybe betting on himself will probably give him more money.

I think most people here are looking forward to Terence Crawford winning the match because they think Spence Jr. is a coward and this fight should happen a long time now, not realizing that it's not actually Spence should they blame why this match takes too long to become official.

Although moving forward, we should not bring up the past as this fight is now closer to happening compared to before when it was just a plan.

[harizen]

Anything is possible, including a draw. Both are champions, and although Crawford is the favorite to win but it doesn't mean he is guaranteed to win. Personally, I think Crawford is the better fighter here, but for sure Spence is gonna do everything to win also.

Speculating a draw result is really tough knowing these boxers are currently at their peak. Although a draw is possible, I'm not expecting that result. These guys will push on their limit and one of them will be declared a winner at the end.

IQ, Strength, Strategies, Skills, etc. - I do think both boxers have it as they won't reach their respective status if they don't have that.

It now depends on who will be able to execute it timely and properly.

[Questat]

You can ask OP to make a poll on this particular fight, for sure it will be a very close race and I'm not certain who will win although we already have an idea on the betting odds of this fight. Well, both are champions, since Spence is also very confident, then maybe betting on himself will probably give him more money.

I think most people here are looking forward to Terence Crawford winning the match because they think Spence Jr. is a coward and this fight should happen a long time now, not realizing that it's not actually Spence should they blame why this match takes too long to become official.

Although moving forward, we should not bring up the past as this fight is now closer to happening compared to before when it was just a plan.

We will only know that if there's a poll, I notice that most of us here are rooting for Crawford but there are voters that are not participating in the discussion, so that poll is really important for us to know the heart of the majority.

Spence Jr is a coward? maybe, but he is still undefeated, in fact, he has more belts than Crawford and he just wants to dictate the fight negotiation.

I'm not sure if this fight is gonna happen, but if not, we know who's to blame I guess.  

[Vaculin]

Best guess is that both camps are already training because their forecasted date is approaching fast, they only have less than 2 months left to prepare and train. Maybe that's the same reason why they are so silent these days after we received an information that they've already reached a deal.

They will only train if the fight is already official, there's no reason for them to train hard with their team if there's no announcement yet, unless they know it's going to happen and promoters are just waiting for the right time to announce, what I'm saying is, if they start training for nothing, they will just be wasting money.

But this fighters are elite, and they have to stay in shape even at off season. And this is the secret of some of the best of them like Floyd and Manny or even Hopkins during his prime. This boxers keeps themselves in around their fighting weight by maybe doing some like trainings at home. Floyd and Manny loves to play basketball.

And so when the official fight is announced, they will just shift gears and focus 100% on the training itself. So they are not wasting money, they've just trying to get the edge.

The word is already out, we are just waiting for their final approach to make this official. They are aiming for November, it's already safe to say that both camps have already started their respective trainings even if there's no official announcement yet. They are the ones who know the real deal and they won't be wasting this far if a fight between Spence and Crawford is impossible this year, especially the latter. I don't think that Crawford will wait and settle until Spence is ready because he will be inactive for a year this coming November too.

And I agree, even if the fight is not yet settled, training is already part of their routine to keep and maintain their shape especially in times like this that there's only little time left to prepare. This is an undisputed fight, we already know that both fights will really come prepared.

[wheelz1200]

Best guess is that both camps are already training because their forecasted date is approaching fast, they only have less than 2 months left to prepare and train. Maybe that's the same reason why they are so silent these days after we received an information that they've already reached a deal.

They will only train if the fight is already official, there's no reason for them to train hard with their team if there's no announcement yet, unless they know it's going to happen and promoters are just waiting for the right time to announce, what I'm saying is, if they start training for nothing, they will just be wasting money.

But this fighters are elite, and they have to stay in shape even at off season. And this is the secret of some of the best of them like Floyd and Manny or even Hopkins during his prime. This boxers keeps themselves in around their fighting weight by maybe doing some like trainings at home. Floyd and Manny loves to play basketball.

And so when the official fight is announced, they will just shift gears and focus 100% on the training itself. So they are not wasting money, they've just trying to get the edge.

The word is already out, we are just waiting for their final approach to make this official. They are aiming for November, it's already safe to say that both camps have already started their respective trainings even if there's no official announcement yet. They are the ones who know the real deal and they won't be wasting this far if a fight between Spence and Crawford is impossible this year, especially the latter. I don't think that Crawford will wait and settle until Spence is ready because he will be inactive for a year this coming November too.

And I agree, even if the fight is not yet settled, training is already part of their routine to keep and maintain their shape especially in times like this that there's only little time left to prepare. This is an undisputed fight, we already know that both fights will really come prepared.

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https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/34696677/errol-spence-jr-terence-crawford-title-fight-risk-dispute-contract-details-sources-say

Looks like contract details aren't coming together.  No way a fight happens in November.  My guess is that Crawford is going to want to get in a fight before this one if this ever happens now.  This fight has to happen wish they would just squash the contract details and meet both half way to make this happen.

[bbc.reporter]

^ Hehehe, we should take everything with a grain of salt specially coming from Bob Arum. He used to promote Crawford, and if he believes he can beat him, why he didn't set up the fight? The only reason I can see is that it's it's difficult to negotiate with PBC or there is not money to be made because he says that Crawford doesn't have that huge draw. And this is one of the main reason why Crawford left him, because of this comment of him, and assuming that time that Crawford is still with Bob.

I would agree that if compared to Errol Spence, Terence Crawford does not have a larger draw. However, if Spence and Crawford were in the same ring to fight each other, they would certainly increase each other's draw. Also, who is at fault if Crawford's draw is lower? I reckon it is the promoter's fault! This superfight would also not happen if Crawford has stayed with Top Rank.

Maybe Crawford just wants to get this fight done for legacy, he is not getting any younger and he wants a legacy fight, more than the money he already earned a lot, a boxer that is getting older knows that he is only a few fights left and he wants legacy fight for reference in the hall of fame, if he wins this fight he'll get a larger share in their rematch and of course, he'll get the upper hand in standing and money, Crawford blames Top Rank for failing to secure a match against Spence he did the right thing kicking out Arum to his boxing life.

He wants this fight for legacy, however, he wants to do this more for the money, I reckon. There is no other boxing opponent that can give him the biggest purse in one fight except to challenge the other king of the welterweight division.

@wheelz1200. According to the article, Terence Crawford wants more transparency on the event's expenses. I am shaking my head, why?

[Sanitough]

According to the article, Terence Crawford wants more transparency on the event's expenses. I am shaking my head, why?

Why so demanding? I think fighters just have to fight and get paid according to the agreed amount in the contract. He is more interested on the job of the promoter, they are the ones who are taking care of that matter, they are fighters, they should focus on training.

[robelneo]

^ Hehehe, we should take everything with a grain of salt specially coming from Bob Arum. He used to promote Crawford, and if he believes he can beat him, why he didn't set up the fight? The only reason I can see is that it's it's difficult to negotiate with PBC or there is not money to be made because he says that Crawford doesn't have that huge draw. And this is one of the main reason why Crawford left him, because of this comment of him, and assuming that time that Crawford is still with Bob.

I would agree that if compared to Errol Spence, Terence Crawford does not have a larger draw. However, if Spence and Crawford were in the same ring to fight each other, they would certainly increase each other's draw. Also, who is at fault if Crawford's draw is lower? I reckon it is the promoter's fault! This superfight would also not happen if Crawford has stayed with Top Rank.

Maybe Crawford just wants to get this fight done for legacy, he is not getting any younger and he wants a legacy fight, more than the money he already earned a lot, a boxer that is getting older knows that he is only a few fights left and he wants legacy fight for reference in the hall of fame, if he wins this fight he'll get a larger share in their rematch and of course, he'll get the upper hand in standing and money, Crawford blames Top Rank for failing to secure a match against Spence he did the right thing kicking out Arum to his boxing life.

He wants this fight for legacy, however, he wants to do this more for the money, I reckon. There is no other boxing opponent that can give him the biggest purse in one fight except to challenge the other king of the welterweight division.

@wheelz1200. According to the article, Terence Crawford wants more transparency on the event's expenses. I am shaking my head, why?

Whether it's for money or legacy after ten years or twenty years people will look at this fight not on who makes the most money but on who dominates the fight and how both fighters engage in this fight, we never talk about money when we watch great fights in the past but on what happened on those fights, both fighters can surely make a lot of money but they are more looking on their place in the anals of boxing greats this alone is something money can't buy.

[Kemarit]

According to the article, Terence Crawford wants more transparency on the event's expenses. I am shaking my head, why?

Why so demanding? I think fighters just have to fight and get paid according to the agreed amount in the contract. He is more interested on the job of the promoter, they are the ones who are taking care of that matter, they are fighters, they should focus on training.

I guess fighters now are more vocal than it was 10-20 years wherein they see this a job, with no security tenure. They just want to fight the best and see how "macho" they are compare to the other boxers in their division. That's why we have so many great fights in the past.

Now, boxers want more transparency, they have their own legal team to scrutinized every contract and may add some or contest if they don't want that to be included in the contract.

[Sanitough]

According to the article, Terence Crawford wants more transparency on the event's expenses. I am shaking my head, why?

Why so demanding? I think fighters just have to fight and get paid according to the agreed amount in the contract. He is more interested on the job of the promoter, they are the ones who are taking care of that matter, they are fighters, they should focus on training.

I guess fighters now are more vocal than it was 10-20 years wherein they see this a job, with no security tenure. They just want to fight the best and see how "macho" they are compare to the other boxers in their division. That's why we have so many great fights in the past.

Now, boxers want more transparency, they have their own legal team to scrutinized every contract and may add some or contest if they don't want that to be included in the contract.

Yeah, they are getting smarter, they want to maximize their income, and some boxers who see that they will make more money if they will be on their own will just leave their promoter and will just promote themselves. I guess that's what is happening with Crawford, he has no promoter now if I'm not mistaken.

[coin-investor]

According to the article, Terence Crawford wants more transparency on the event's expenses. I am shaking my head, why?

Why so demanding? I think fighters just have to fight and get paid according to the agreed amount in the contract. He is more interested on the job of the promoter, they are the ones who are taking care of that matter, they are fighters, they should focus on training.

I guess fighters now are more vocal than it was 10-20 years wherein they see this a job, with no security tenure. They just want to fight the best and see how "macho" they are compare to the other boxers in their division. That's why we have so many great fights in the past.

Now, boxers want more transparency, they have their own legal team to scrutinized every contract and may add some or contest if they don't want that to be included in the contract.

Compared to the past, there are only two titles so boxers in the past are not afraid to fight the best in their division, that's the only way to win the crown, but now we have five world titles and every champion on their respective divisions are afraid to lose their respective title through unification, and there are so many promotions now and they want to do their promotions in the house which means fight fighters that have a contract in their promotion, that is why the boxing community is deprived of the best boxer in one division

[LUCKMCFLY]

There is no question that Crawford would accept the lesser of the split. And he is fine with it so I guess that argument has been settled already. But there is the promotion and then the network that might be the stumbling block in this negotiations. But hopefully they can settle their difference just like any major fight that has happen in the past like Floyd vs Manny. They have to do it for the fans because there is a demand and the money that they are going to made is huge as well.

It's either that Spence really doesn't want the fight or his team, or they are trying to bluff Crawford with much higher split in the fight. But 60-40 in favor of Errol is already a good split and if Crawford is going to accept it then good.

But so far all we heard is that they agreed verbally? That is still very far from making this fight. They did to do it asap, everyone is waiting for it. After GGG vs Canelo, there will be no super fight in the calendar.

Until now Crawford has not made a statement regarding that 60:40 split, if he will announce that he is okay with that split, then we can conclude that it was only Spence who is trying to avoid him because he maybe believes that he cannot beat Crawford.

I think Crawford will still grab the split offer regardless of its amount just to prove that he really wants to face Spence. If Spence still wouldn't agree on facing him, it would really prove that it's him who is avoiding this match. The decision on this split will only prove things clearly so we'll wait and see if Crawford would grab it.

For me, Crawford is really looking forward to the fight with Spence. for me there will be no offer so that these two do not meet, I think there is no way that the fight does not take place, it would also be somewhat annoying if it does not take place, for me these fights have a lot to do with the handle that It moves, that is, if the number of people who will attend exceed expectations, it is obvious that it will happen, I do not think that one of the organizers will say No to money, I think that will be one of the things that they can never accept.

When taking into account, what they are trying to fix, it must be that there are other interests above them who do not want me to fight, but hopefully the sport succeeds before the money they handle behind the scenes.

According to the article, Terence Crawford wants more transparency on the event's expenses. I am shaking my head, why?

Why so demanding? I think fighters just have to fight and get paid according to the agreed amount in the contract. He is more interested on the job of the promoter, they are the ones who are taking care of that matter, they are fighters, they should focus on training.

I guess fighters now are more vocal than it was 10-20 years wherein they see this a job, with no security tenure. They just want to fight the best and see how "macho" they are compare to the other boxers in their division. That's why we have so many great fights in the past.

Now, boxers want more transparency, they have their own legal team to scrutinized every contract and may add some or contest if they don't want that to be included in the contract.

Yeah, they are getting smarter, they want to maximize their income, and some boxers who see that they will make more money if they will be on their own will just leave their promoter and will just promote themselves. I guess that's what is happening with Crawford, he has no promoter now if I'm not mistaken.

The truth is that you are absolutely right, right now the boxers know all the money they can earn, of course they only dedicate themselves to the fights and only concentrate on their training, and the promoters are the ones who have the contacts and manage themselves at all levels So if Crawford learned from all this, then he has the right to be able to run his own businesses, the truth is not bad at all, everyone has the right to do it, that is why I think they did everything possible to attract attention, many people They believe that this fight will not happen, but for me it is imperative that it be done, if we take into account the voice of the fans, it should be developed.


For now this is one of the latest news that I have found out regarding this fight:

     Errol Spence Jr vs. Terence Crawford in jeopardy

“Spence and Crawford had agreed to terms with Crawford set to earn the short end of the financial split, ESPN reported earlier this month. The issue: Crawford wants transparency related to event expenses since the contract contains no guaranteed purse, sources said,” said Coppinger at ESPN.

If Crawford chooses to dig his heels and refuse to give in on his assistance to approve expenses, it’ll put Spence’s management in a position of whether to agree to Terence’s demands or just walk away from the fight.

Source: https://www.boxingnews24.com/2022/09/errol-spence-jr-vs-terence-crawford-in-jeoparty/

This is something that has kept us abreast of what may or may not happen, personally I want this fight to happen, if it does happen I would like it, Crawford can venture into the best of being a businessman.

[Shamm]

For me, Crawford is really looking forward to the fight with Spence. for me there will be no offer so that these two do not meet, I think there is no way that the fight does not take place, it would also be somewhat annoying if it does not take place, for me these fights have a lot to do with the handle that It moves, that is, if the number of people who will attend exceed expectations, it is obvious that it will happen, I do not think that one of the organizers will say No to money, I think that will be one of the things that they can never accept.

Nowadays money can dictate what people did and about this fight if this match will happen then for sure many people around the world wish to watch the fight in the venue and if the organization choose the biggest venue then  95-100 percent sure that the setting capacity is became fully occupied by the audience. So a lot of money will earn and if money speaks then this fight will be come and that's the biggest goal of the organization,

[Ziskinberg]

Anything is possible, including a draw. Both are champions, and although Crawford is the favorite to win but it doesn't mean he is guaranteed to win. Personally, I think Crawford is the better fighter here, but for sure Spence is gonna do everything to win also.

Speculating a draw result is really tough knowing these boxers are currently at their peak. Although a draw is possible, I'm not expecting that result. These guys will push on their limit and one of them will be declared a winner at the end.

IQ, Strength, Strategies, Skills, etc. - I do think both boxers have it as they won't reach their respective status if they don't have that.

It now depends on who will be able to execute it timely and properly.

Indeed! It's a tough choice for sure but maybe the odds of the draw will be great soon, so maybe I'd throw some few dollars as I can't let that chance pass as I said anything could be possible. But you also got a point because a draw is really not likely to happen here because this fight is all about their legacy and I think they'll fight while chasing scores if they can't knockout each other.

[stadus]

You can ask OP to make a poll on this particular fight, for sure it will be a very close race and I'm not certain who will win although we already have an idea on the betting odds of this fight. Well, both are champions, since Spence is also very confident, then maybe betting on himself will probably give him more money.

I think most people here are looking forward to Terence Crawford winning the match because they think Spence Jr. is a coward and this fight should happen a long time now, not realizing that it's not actually Spence should they blame why this match takes too long to become official.

Although moving forward, we should not bring up the past as this fight is now closer to happening compared to before when it was just a plan.

We will only know that if there's a poll, I notice that most of us here are rooting for Crawford but there are voters that are not participating in the discussion, so that poll is really important for us to know the heart of the majority.

Spence Jr is a coward? maybe, but he is still undefeated, in fact, he has more belts than Crawford and he just wants to dictate the fight negotiation.

I'm not sure if this fight is gonna happen, but if not, we know who's to blame I guess.  

Including me, I have no doubt that Crawford have the higher hand here compared to Spence and he's likely going to win. Crawford is fearless and doesn't really care that much whom he will face next, as long as you're in the way or you're a belt holder, sooner or later you will have your chance to fight Crawford because he's aiming for legacy and not for money fights.

Although this time around, Crawford is demanding or asking the opposite camp to be transparent and that may be the reason why the fight has been delayed to December or January.