[Boxing] Crawford vs Spence

[Kemarit]

Pacquiao wants Spence vs. Crawford winner

Manny Pacquiao was asked if he’d be interested in fighting the Errol Spence Jr vs. Terence Crawford winner and his response was "why not if that's possible?".

To make that happen though, he needs to come out from retirement.

I like Pacman, I respect what he has done in the sport of boxing, however, I did not know that he is presently a comedian. If he won versus Ugas to hold the WBA welterweight championship, I will think maybe there is an argument for Pacman. However, Ugas was gave a very convincing performance and has shown Pacman's old age.

I honestly have not read the article yet. This might be another sarcastic statement from Pacman and the sports news media are turning it into clickbait hehe.

I also didn't click on the link, but I do agree that Pacquaio should retire for good. We have seen him against Ugas and it doesn't look good for him and it's better that after that fight, he doesn't to hang up his gloves.

And if he wanted to make a comeback against the winner of the highly caliber fighter in Spence or Crawford? We might see him getting knockout here. And what is the sense of coming back? Money? fame? legacy? Manny have everything already.

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[coin-investor]

Source: https://www.benchwarmers.ie/pacquiao-wants-spence-crawford-winner/254920/

Big news is what Pacquiao generates. I hope he cheers up and we see him again.

No please no I'm a big Pacquiao fan and I like to see him age well he has a lot of things to do for his fellow citizen and he should enjoy his retirement, he is past his prime, this is not WWE wrestling where even a 70 years old Ric Flair can come back and be competitive and win, his time is up in boxing we have seen that. the speed and power are not there anymore, I am ok with him doing exhibitions but fighting for a world title against the top boxers in the world is just too much for Pacquiao to handle, everyone has his time in boxing I don't want him to go out like Mike Tyson.

[harizen]

What I'm curious about is why does Crawford still holding on to this fight? It's almost clear that the opposite camp is playing games on him to make their chances on winning go higher, in my opinion, Crawford must fight another opponent while this undisputed fight is not on play.

Because the negotiation can't still be considered a 100% failure.

Even though there's a low chance for this fight to happened, there might be some things that are still being discussed to truly make it officially fail, or who knows the other way around which is positive news. They can't just go negotiating on another match that easily.

Don't worry though as even before, both boxers have a "backup plan" if this fight is not materialized.

[goinmerry]

And what is the sense of coming back? Money? fame? legacy? Manny have everything already.

But his interest is still there to fight. Since he now has more free time and is currently healthy and in good shape unlike when he is in politics, he can now give more time and focus on his training and can take it seriously like usual. That's the problem with him during his preparations against Spence Jr. then suddenly by Ugas. He is not focused because of his presidential bid in the Philippines.

Good thing he lost against Ugas as that's a wake-up call to him that boxing and politics should not be done at the same time.

If by chance he faced either Spence or Crawford on this point of his status as a boxer, sorry to say that he will just lose although not via KO but a Decision.

[Baofeng]

What I'm curious about is why does Crawford still holding on to this fight? It's almost clear that the opposite camp is playing games on him to make their chances on winning go higher, in my opinion, Crawford must fight another opponent while this undisputed fight is not on play.

Because the negotiation can't still be considered a 100% failure.

True. It's not yet a failure unless they said that they can't agree on terms and moving on with their career and have a schedule bout with other opponents.

Even though there's a low chance for this fight to happened, there might be some things that are still being discussed to truly make it officially fail, or who knows the other way around which is positive news. They can't just go negotiating on another match that easily.

Don't worry though as even before, both boxers have a "backup plan" if this fight is not materialized.

Definitely something is still cooking behind the scene that's why is it very quiet right now. But for the hope of seeing this fight this year, we might as well say goodbye to that.

But they can still sit and talk and maybe look for the next option next year, maybe in the first quarter.

[agustina2]

What I'm curious about is why does Crawford still holding on to this fight? It's almost clear that the opposite camp is playing games on him to make their chances on winning go higher, in my opinion, Crawford must fight another opponent while this undisputed fight is not on play.

Because the negotiation can't still be considered a 100% failure.

True. It's not yet a failure unless they said that they can't agree on terms and moving on with their career and have a schedule bout with other opponents.

I agree with you both. News saying that this fight won't likely happen is not yet official but it's somehow giving us a clear view of where this fight should go.

Unless a reputable person involved in this fight tells the media that the negotiation is now completely wrecked, then that's the time we give up on this fight.

I also think if this fight really fails for sure, we will hear it right away directly from either Terence Crawford or Errol Spence Jr. They will sure give their opinion and likely announce their next plan.

[carlisle1]

What I'm curious about is why does Crawford still holding on to this fight? It's almost clear that the opposite camp is playing games on him to make their chances on winning go higher, in my opinion, Crawford must fight another opponent while this undisputed fight is not on play.

Because the negotiation can't still be considered a 100% failure.

True. It's not yet a failure unless they said that they can't agree on terms and moving on with their career and have a schedule bout with other opponents.

I agree with you both. News saying that this fight won't likely happen is not yet official but it's somehow giving us a clear view of where this fight should go.

Unless a reputable person involved in this fight tells the media that the negotiation is now completely wrecked, then that's the time we give up on this fight.

I also think if this fight really fails for sure, we will hear it right away directly from either Terence Crawford or Errol Spence Jr. They will sure give their opinion and likely announce their next plan.

Something that can create noise around the boxing community, but as far as I know, there is nothing coming from both camps
so both of them are still expecting for a possible negotiation to take place.

I'm not an expert, but I also understand the value of both fighters if they will bring something out of their personal social media
accounts, it will take effect and will create a basis for whether the fight will proceed or the fight will probably be cancelled.

[bbc.reporter]

Pacquiao wants Spence vs. Crawford winner

Manny Pacquiao was asked if he’d be interested in fighting the Errol Spence Jr vs. Terence Crawford winner and his response was "why not if that's possible?".

To make that happen though, he needs to come out from retirement.

I like Pacman, I respect what he has done in the sport of boxing, however, I did not know that he is presently a comedian. If he won versus Ugas to hold the WBA welterweight championship, I will think maybe there is an argument for Pacman. However, Ugas was gave a very convincing performance and has shown Pacman's old age.

I honestly have not read the article yet. This might be another sarcastic statement from Pacman and the sports news media are turning it into clickbait hehe.

Pacman is not done yet if he thinks he can still fight, he still has the fans and I think if there was not changes of opponent, there's a chance that he can give Spence a big problem in the fight in case he would still lose. He is a very discipline man, and I think fans would still want to see him, so why not?

However, it is not about his opinion on his readiness to fight the kings of welterweight boxing or the opinions of the fans. It is about if he is really ready. Considering that he was dominated by Ugas, how can we trust Pacman's words if he was serious. Also, if his fight versus Errol Spence was not cancelled, some people might be making stretcher jokes about him.

[Kelvinid]

Also, if his fight versus Errol Spence was not cancelled, some people might be making stretcher jokes about him.

That was after the fight of Pacman against Ugas, before AFAIR, Pacman has became a slight favorite on that fight per sportsbooks odds, so you can tell how much the fans believe he can win against Spence, but a big news came up and it resulted to Ugas substituting Spence which was not good for Pacman.

[stadus]

Also, if his fight versus Errol Spence was not cancelled, some people might be making stretcher jokes about him.

That was after the fight of Pacman against Ugas, before AFAIR, Pacman has became a slight favorite on that fight per sportsbooks odds, so you can tell how much the fans believe he can win against Spence, but a big news came up and it resulted to Ugas substituting Spence which was not good for Pacman.

You are right because people were expecting Pacman could give a good fight against Spence, unfortunately, the hype was gone when Spence declared he needs to undergo an operation. However, I don't want to tolerate Pacman making excuses that he has a leg cramp during the fight causing him to move slow, he has to give credit to Ugas for beating him if he wants to come back, try to make a rematch on Ugas, and then go with Spence again.

[wheelz1200]

I share the same view, this fight won't happen this year just like what they first forecasted it because in the first place, if they want to make the fight happen then both camps should've done the right thing and wouldn't make the discussion so long. Maybe it's time for Crawford to face another boxer while their discussion between Spence's camp is blurry.

Crawford might be the first one to fight in super welter because I heard Spence have his mandatory fight if this won't happen.

I read some articles about this and it's interesting to see some ex-boxers talking about it like Bradley said a while ago who said the same thing because they won't be fighting this year.
And I think this is quite reasonable because even though there will definitely be some hype about this that will be raised but when you see that it is now at the end of 2022 then indeed the opportunity to fight for this year is a little difficult and maybe next year it can still happen if one of the camps does not avoid it. again

Actually about this fight my expectations were too high and I had too much hope so that it was destroyed and I personally feel disappointed, but indeed this happened because of my expectations so that when they decided not to fight it was difficult for me to force.

There's not enough time for training anymore, so this fight is not gonna happen this year, however, it would be better if we will know when it will happen so our effort of hyping the fight won't be wasted. As a fan, we like to see this undisputed fight, both fighters are great, so it's definitely a great entertainment for the fans, they just have to agree on the split, or they should not be afraid to risk their undefeated record.

Well they have been teasing us of a November date and this is as early when this thread was open by the OP. And yet, in several months, nothing solid had happen, except like agreement in terms but in seems only verbal. So there is nothing concrete, so they will continue to tease us with this fight. Not sure if the problem is the split, maybe one corner (Spence), doesn't want this fight, in my opinion. Or they will wait till they see Crawford performance is going downhill.

What I'm curious about is why does Crawford still holding on to this fight? It's almost clear that the opposite camp is playing games on him to make their chances on winning go higher, in my opinion, Crawford must fight another opponent while this undisputed fight is not on play.

Because ultimately Crawford wants that fight.  He is getting on the older side of boxing and he doesn't have time to fight other lower end people while this gets put together.  If I was Crawford I'd just put up a deadline and if the fight doesn't happen leave it on Spence for not getting it done and be over it.  

[Baofeng]

Only time can tell, as I have said, for this year the fight is not going to happen. And maybe the negotiations is already dead at this point.

But I think this fight can still be salvage and be made for next year, for sure the money is going to be to big that both camp can't refuse it, and maybe they are just looking for the perfect time to have this fight. We compare this to Floyd vs Manny, lots of stumbling block but in the end it got to be made.

[serjent05]

Only time can tell, as I have said, for this year the fight is not going to happen. And maybe the negotiations is already dead at this point.

But I think this fight can still be salvage and be made for next year, for sure the money is going to be to big that both camp can't refuse it, and maybe they are just looking for the perfect time to have this fight. We compare this to Floyd vs Manny, lots of stumbling block but in the end it got to be made.

If the fight catches more interest it is very possible to happen.  Since the boxing authority might intervene if they see a very good profit if the fight commences.  We all know boxing isn't just sport but also a business so if ever the boxing authority see this match as a very profitable one they might mediate to make both camps agree to close the deal.  It is also possible that they are looking for a perfect timing so that the fight can gain the most possible profit for the match.

[coin-investor]

Only time can tell, as I have said, for this year the fight is not going to happen. And maybe the negotiations is already dead at this point.

But I think this fight can still be salvage and be made for next year, for sure the money is going to be to big that both camp can't refuse it, and maybe they are just looking for the perfect time to have this fight. We compare this to Floyd vs Manny, lots of stumbling block but in the end it got to be made.

I also believe that there's no time for the projected November fight they might set it up next year, but its obvious someone is dragging this fight too long for their own advantage, I don't want to give names it could be the promoter but obviously, both camps have taken us for a ride a lot of great fights have happened already and this is not what you can call the greatest fight in the history of boxing, it's just a unification and a battle of undefeated fighters.

[harizen]

But I think this fight can still be salvage and be made for next year, for sure the money is going to be to big that both camp can't refuse it, and maybe they are just looking for the perfect time to have this fight. We compare this to Floyd vs Manny, lots of stumbling block but in the end it got to be made.

This is what I think too.

This fight is not literally dead where chances are really zero from happening.

It's just that, we can already assume that this fight won't happen this year but at least have a great chance to happen next year. However, if both boxers will now fight other opponents instead this year, they should both win as obviously, no more Crawford vs Spence in the future will be negotiated.

[chaser15]

Only time can tell, as I have said, for this year the fight is not going to happen. And maybe the negotiations is already dead at this point.

But I think this fight can still be salvage and be made for next year, for sure the money is going to be to big that both camp can't refuse it, and maybe they are just looking for the perfect time to have this fight. We compare this to Floyd vs Manny, lots of stumbling block but in the end it got to be made.

This is dead for sure this year. Only roughly just a month remaining now for the supposed November 19 fight.

But I'm not giving up on this fight to happen next year.

Anyway any information on who's their next opponent if this fight is not happened?

[agustina2]

I also believe that there's no time for the projected November fight they might set it up next year, but its obvious someone is dragging this fight too long for their own advantage, I don't want to give names it could be the promoter but obviously, both camps have taken us for a ride a lot of great fights have happened already and this is not what you can call the greatest fight in the history of boxing, it's just a unification and a battle of undefeated fighters.

You are right, someone is playing on their contract. Even though others will think that Spence is a problem, I don't believe that he is the one causing the problem here. Spence is surely interested in this fight. We are not hearing any words from these both boxers that's why I think this is still under work. I'm waiting for the official announcement that this fight will not happen until I give up on expecting this match.

[Fundamentals Of]

I also believe that there's no time for the projected November fight they might set it up next year, but its obvious someone is dragging this fight too long for their own advantage, I don't want to give names it could be the promoter but obviously, both camps have taken us for a ride a lot of great fights have happened already and this is not what you can call the greatest fight in the history of boxing, it's just a unification and a battle of undefeated fighters.

You are right, someone is playing on their contract. Even though others will think that Spence is a problem, I don't believe that he is the one causing the problem here. Spence is surely interested in this fight. We are not hearing any words from these both boxers that's why I think this is still under work. I'm waiting for the official announcement that this fight will not happen until I give up on expecting this match.

I still believe this fight has a higher chance of happening. Although there aren't any final news about the developments of this potential match, there aren't news either of Crawford or Spence finalizing contracts or negotiations with other fighters. So for as long as there are no other deals that are preferred by any fighter or camp more than this one, this fight might still be happening sooner rather than later.

But Crawford has already warned that if the negotiations would drag on indefinitely, he might be forced to take another opponent. The glitches are in the financial side of the contracts. In fairness to Crawford, I wouldn't also sacrifice my time on this one. He's already 35. Time isn't on his side anymore.

[inthelongrun]

Only time can tell, as I have said, for this year the fight is not going to happen. And maybe the negotiations is already dead at this point.

But I think this fight can still be salvage and be made for next year, for sure the money is going to be to big that both camp can't refuse it, and maybe they are just looking for the perfect time to have this fight. We compare this to Floyd vs Manny, lots of stumbling block but in the end it got to be made.

This is dead for sure this year. Only roughly just a month remaining now for the supposed November 19 fight.

But I'm not giving up on this fight to happen next year.

Maybe it is a mistake that Crawford is a free agent. He thought that without Bob Arum and ESPN this fight is going to happen easily. He thought that without a promoter and a network to lean on he can be treated well and receives a fair deal. The way I imagined, Spence and his side are the ones dictating. Well, of course, because PBC will promote it and Showtime is the one that will televise it. And all of them worked with Spence.

Anyway any information on who's their next opponent if this fight is not happened?

Spence may defend his 3 belts against these 2 undefeated fighters, regular WBA champ Stanionis or Ennis. Both are with PBC too so they're doable. They're high-risk and low-reward fighters so Spence could move up in weight and hunt for a 2nd division title. Or he could defend his belts against Thurman too, another PBC fighter.

Crawford is really in an odd situation if he remains a free agent. He is not Canelo that can easily jump to any promoters and networks but still dictates everything in the deal. If he fights the WBO number 1 contender, the undefeated banger Vergil Ortiz Jr., it will be promoted by Golden Boy and DAZN will televise it. Highly risky for Bud with no legacy returns except money. Ortiz is a superstar in the making. Huge fanbase and is a very charismatic guy. I believe Crawford-Ortiz will beat all of Spence's previous PPV buys. But Crawford can also move up to 154 and hunt for his 4th division title but he seriously needs a promoter to depend on.   

[Kelvinid]

But Crawford can also move up to 154 and hunt for his 4th division title but he seriously needs a promoter to depend on.   

And of course he can find a promoter if he wants to, the job of the promoter is to sell the fight, and since Crawford is already popular and a champion, every promoter will sure be willing to invest on him.