[Boxing] Crawford vs Spence

[Dave1]

The way PBC is treating Crawford, I don't they will be able to sign him if he beats Spence except for a 1 or 2 fights deal that would guarantee a title shot against undisputed super middleweight champion Jermell Charlo. After that, I think he is headed to DAZN.

As a knowledgeable in boxing, do you think that regardless of who will win on this match between Spence and Crawford, they will face Jermell Charlo next at the super middleweight?

Or a rematch is bound to happen first?

I really like that this fight between Spence and Crawford should happen now to now end the issues of who's the best in the Welterweight and finally will move on to their next plan.

There is a high chance that a rematch is bound to happen first regardless of the result, I don't think that Spence or Crawford will just move-on without having a second bout to try and settle their scores. Also, a rematch clause was stated and that's expected as this is an undisputed fight and a measurement on who's really the best boxer in the welterweight division.

I also will go with this speculation, if there is a rematch clause, then it's definitely bound to happen. But I guess it's more of the money that they will get on the rematch and so obviously, they will go for it.

154 lbs can wait for this two, their rematch will be more lucrative for least say a Charlo fight. Charlo is good no doubt, but it could sell less as compare to Crawford vs Spence II.

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[Hypnosis00]

The way PBC is treating Crawford, I don't they will be able to sign him if he beats Spence except for a 1 or 2 fights deal that would guarantee a title shot against undisputed super middleweight champion Jermell Charlo. After that, I think he is headed to DAZN.

As a knowledgeable in boxing, do you think that regardless of who will win on this match between Spence and Crawford, they will face Jermell Charlo next at the super middleweight?

Or a rematch is bound to happen first?

I really like that this fight between Spence and Crawford should happen now to now end the issues of who's the best in the Welterweight and finally will move on to their next plan.

There is a high chance that a rematch is bound to happen first regardless of the result, I don't think that Spence or Crawford will just move-on without having a second bout to try and settle their scores. Also, a rematch clause was stated and that's expected as this is an undisputed fight and a measurement on who's really the best boxer in the welterweight division.

I also will go with this speculation, if there is a rematch clause, then it's definitely bound to happen. But I guess it's more of the money that they will get on the rematch and so obviously, they will go for it.

154 lbs can wait for this two, their rematch will be more lucrative for least say a Charlo fight. Charlo is good no doubt, but it could sell less as compare to Crawford vs Spence II.

Rematch then a trilogy, that's what I'm seeing if the fight will be close as it's easy to manipulate using the judges. The first fight is very important to be entertaining, just like the fight between Canelo and GGG, people wants to see a Trilogy, it's hyped and they made a lot of money although the result is boring.

[carlisle1]

The way PBC is treating Crawford, I don't they will be able to sign him if he beats Spence except for a 1 or 2 fights deal that would guarantee a title shot against undisputed super middleweight champion Jermell Charlo. After that, I think he is headed to DAZN.

As a knowledgeable in boxing, do you think that regardless of who will win on this match between Spence and Crawford, they will face Jermell Charlo next at the super middleweight?

Or a rematch is bound to happen first?

I really like that this fight between Spence and Crawford should happen now to now end the issues of who's the best in the Welterweight and finally will move on to their next plan.

There is a high chance that a rematch is bound to happen first regardless of the result, I don't think that Spence or Crawford will just move-on without having a second bout to try and settle their scores. Also, a rematch clause was stated and that's expected as this is an undisputed fight and a measurement on who's really the best boxer in the welterweight division.

I also will go with this speculation, if there is a rematch clause, then it's definitely bound to happen. But I guess it's more of the money that they will get on the rematch and so obviously, they will go for it.

154 lbs can wait for this two, their rematch will be more lucrative for least say a Charlo fight. Charlo is good no doubt, but it could sell less as compare to Crawford vs Spence II.

Rematch then a trilogy, that's what I'm seeing if the fight will be close as it's easy to manipulate using the judges. The first fight is very important to be entertaining, just like the fight between Canelo and GGG, people wants to see a Trilogy, it's hyped and they made a lot of money although the result is boring.

More money is good for business. The belts will be the stake, but money will speak loudly and both camps know how big
it was in case trilogy will be supported by all the fans.

It will be nice to keep seeing the hype and even the final date still not being announced, the huge crowd already expecting
how great both of these champs will perform.

We will see the first match and how fans will enjoy it will be the big factor to collect a huge amount of money once rematch
happens.

[Ziskinberg]

More money is good for business. The belts will be the stake, but money will speak loudly and both camps know how big
it was in case trilogy will be supported by all the fans.

Fans will always support this fight, even if it will reach more than a trilogy.
Both fighters are still in their prime, so definitely the loser will not make an excuse here.

It will be nice to keep seeing the hype and even the final date still not being announced, the huge crowd already expecting
how great both of these champs will perform.

We will see the first match and how fans will enjoy it will be the big factor to collect a huge amount of money once rematch
happens.

It will be nicer if this fight will not remain as a hype, I mean, it should come into reality so fans will stop speculating anymore, some are positive while some are already negative about the chance fo this fight happening.

[inthelongrun]

EDIT: I saw this on the news,

"Coppinger did note the contract has not yet been signed by Crawford or Spence as their lawyers "clean up" some of the legal language in the agreement.

Any ideas or thoughts on what are those legal languages on the agreement that they need to clean?

I forgot to answer this. I think it means that they need to put what's been agreed upon by both sides into a single formal contract. This fight is not yet done until officially signed by both fighters.

Another question, I believed when there's a rematch clause, it's not mandatory but optional. Am I right?

Only the WBA, WBC, IBF, and WBO can call for mandatory fights. So yes, a rematch clause when activated is an optional or voluntary fight.

From what I see, if Spence will win this match, he won't go for a rematch. What if that really happened? Can Bud force him for a rematch?

If Bud signs the contract without his right to a rematch then he cannot force Spence for a rematch if he loses.

According to the rematch clause, the winner of this current match will have a big slice of pizza on the rematch. In this match, Spence has the big slice. If he will won this match, it seems no changes after all on his purse split on the rematch. No big reason for him to fight Bud in a rematch. Thoughts?

There was a time when Bud proposed a 30/30 or 35/35 or 40/40 with the winner taking the reserved share but it was denied by Spence. We do not have the exact figures in the deal but we expect Spence to have the bigger share.

If Spence can win pretty easily and the PPV buys performed well and PBC and the network are still willing to guarantee huge amounts of money then Spence should do the rematch. But if it is a close one and Bud does not have a rematch clause then Spence should move up in weight if he wants to play it safe. He is already in his 30s and is only a 1 division champion, he needs to move up and win belts if he wants to enter the Hall of Fame.

[carlisle1]

It will be nicer if this fight will not remain as a hype, I mean, it should come into reality so fans will stop speculating anymore, some are positive while some are already negative about the chance fo this fight happening.

No doubt and indeed it will be nicer if we all got updates from the promoters so fans will start the countdown
of days or to book this, fight and be placed on their calendars.

Till there's no final update regarding to any signing of contracts, there would be a lot of speculation coming from
the fans and all those who really wanted this to happen.

For now, everything will remain rumors or speculation and everyone is free to think if this fight will take place
or some excuse will show up for this fight not to happen.

[freedomgo]

The way PBC is treating Crawford, I don't they will be able to sign him if he beats Spence except for a 1 or 2 fights deal that would guarantee a title shot against undisputed super middleweight champion Jermell Charlo. After that, I think he is headed to DAZN.

As a knowledgeable in boxing, do you think that regardless of who will win on this match between Spence and Crawford, they will face Jermell Charlo next at the super middleweight?

Or a rematch is bound to happen first?

I really like that this fight between Spence and Crawford should happen now to now end the issues of who's the best in the Welterweight and finally will move on to their next plan.

EDIT: I saw this on the news,

"Coppinger did note the contract has not yet been signed by Crawford or Spence as their lawyers "clean up" some of the legal language in the agreement.

Any ideas or thoughts on what are those legal languages on the agreement that they need to clean?

There are rumors that there is a rematch clause. The way things are happening, it looks like Bud is sacrificing a lot just to make this fight become a reality. It is possible that the rematch clause is only given to Spence probably because he's the one prolonging this fight for many years. Time is not on Bud's side, he's nearly a year inactive and is already 35 years old, he needs to give in to nearly all of Spence's demands if he really wanted to become undisputed at welterweight before moving up to super welterweight. And Bud is currently without a promoter and a network after leaving Top Rank, so expect PBC and Showtime or Fox a little biased towards their fighter Spence.

If there is a rematch clause, then a rematch should happen first because undisputed Charlo is 7 pounds north. Charlo, Tank, Spence, and AB used to be very good friends, although there was a fallout between Tank and AB, I believe Jermell and Spence are still very good friends. But even if they are very close friends, I believe Charlo vs Spence is more doable than Charlo vs Bud. Spence already mentioned moving up in weight in the last few years although he never mentioned Charlo's name Currently, all the belts at 154 are owned by his close friend. I think it was Jermell (or maybe Spence) in an interview that mentioned that he is willing to fight his dear friend when the price is right. And the fact that Charlo and Spence are with PBC then it is more doable if both are serious.

Whereas Jermell Charlo already mentioned that he will not give Bud a free automatic shot at the 154 undisputed belts. He wants Bud to climb the rankings and earned his shot at the division. Although a WBO champion has the right to request to fight the other WBO champions in different divisions. This means Bud as the current WBO welterweight champion can actually activate his right to fight Charlo at 154. If Bud beats Spence pretty easily, I believe Charlo will vacate his WBO belt at 154 or maybe vacate all the belts at 154 and move up to 160.

A nice response you have there. Detailed, completed, and you also include your speculations.

Another question, I believed when there's a rematch clause, it's not mandatory but optional. Am I right?

From what I see, if Spence will win this match, he won't go for a rematch. What if that really happened? Can Bud force him for a rematch?

According to the rematch clause, the winner of this current match will have a big slice of pizza on the rematch. In this match, Spence has the big slice. If he will won this match, it seems no changes after all on his purse split on the rematch. No big reason for him to fight Bud in a rematch. Thoughts?

I've looked up on it and indeed there's a rematch clause in their verbal agreement (contract and deal haven't signed yet as it's still prepared by respective camp's lawyer), so that means that it's optional, the defeated boxer may or may not choose to activate it and may it Spence or Crawford. Surely, Crawford's side chose to set some safety precautions because if Spence will win, we already know that Spence will likely avoid a rematch at all cost.

According to the rematch clause, the winner of this current match will have a big slice of pizza on the rematch. In this match, Spence has the big slice. If he will won this match, it seems no changes after all on his purse split on the rematch. No big reason for him to fight Bud in a rematch. Thoughts?

Yes, the winner will have the bigger slice in the rematch, so maybe if Spence will win then I guess that makes Crawford getting the same cut or lower as 30 percent and if it's the latter, then for sure, Crawford will grab that 60 percent. Just a thought.

[TravelMug]

I think I like the idea though of the winner getting the bigger slice on the rematch. And I think it will favor Crawford to some extend, yes he will be getting like 40%, like what we have been saying. But if he won the first fight and the rematch clause was automatically activated, then it will be the other way now. Crawford getting at least the 60% now, the biggest purse. Although again, if this for us is very easy to understand, then why not their legal counsel translate it in paper so that they can sign it right away.

[carlisle1]

I think I like the idea though of the winner getting the bigger slice on the rematch. And I think it will favor Crawford to some extend, yes he will be getting like 40%, like what we have been saying. But if he won the first fight and the rematch clause was automatically activated, then it will be the other way now. Crawford getting at least the 60% now, the biggest purse. Although again, if this for us is very easy to understand, then why not their legal counsel translate it in paper so that they can sign it right away.

Crawford for now is not caring about his slice. He just wanted to push the fight and will be after that whole thing after
the first match takes place. If he wins, then expect a much better slice and much bigger demands.

It will be great for the boxing community once the final date for the upcoming fight will be announced as it's really
been waited a long time ago.

The delays are keeping the fans hanging in the air, still waiting for any result of the negotiations coming from both
camps.

[Kelvinid]

I think I like the idea though of the winner getting the bigger slice on the rematch. And I think it will favor Crawford to some extend, yes he will be getting like 40%, like what we have been saying. But if he won the first fight and the rematch clause was automatically activated, then it will be the other way now. Crawford getting at least the 60% now, the biggest purse. Although again, if this for us is very easy to understand, then why not their legal counsel translate it in paper so that they can sign it right away.

Crawford for now is not caring about his slice. He just wanted to push the fight and will be after that whole thing after
the first match takes place. If he wins, then expect a much better slice and much bigger demands.

It will be great for the boxing community once the final date for the upcoming fight will be announced as it's really
been waited a long time ago.

The delays are keeping the fans hanging in the air, still waiting for any result of the negotiations coming from both
camps.

I also believe that, Crawford knows that Spence will always ask for a bigger slice, and Crawford is okay with that as long as the share is reasonable. One big win here will make him at the top, so it will be him dictating the terms on their next fight, Crawford has to prove that he is better than Spence, end of the story.

[Vaculin]

I think I like the idea though of the winner getting the bigger slice on the rematch. And I think it will favor Crawford to some extend, yes he will be getting like 40%, like what we have been saying. But if he won the first fight and the rematch clause was automatically activated, then it will be the other way now. Crawford getting at least the 60% now, the biggest purse. Although again, if this for us is very easy to understand, then why not their legal counsel translate it in paper so that they can sign it right away.

Crawford for now is not caring about his slice. He just wanted to push the fight and will be after that whole thing after
the first match takes place. If he wins, then expect a much better slice and much bigger demands.

It will be great for the boxing community once the final date for the upcoming fight will be announced as it's really
been waited a long time ago.

The delays are keeping the fans hanging in the air, still waiting for any result of the negotiations coming from both
camps.

I also believe that, Crawford knows that Spence will always ask for a bigger slice, and Crawford is okay with that as long as the share is reasonable. One big win here will make him at the top, so it will be him dictating the terms on their next fight, Crawford has to prove that he is better than Spence, end of the story.

Crawford probably know that already because he can't be in the A-side as Spence has 3 belts in his possession and the latter is also the one who can make more PPV-buys than Crawford. Anyway, if Crawford will win, Spence won't have any power to ask that he will be having the same slice because it was already written in their contract that they will gonna sign soon that the winner will have the bigger slice and I believe won't have much choice about that because he is the who got defeated and the one who needed to settle the score.

[Pamadar]

I think I like the idea though of the winner getting the bigger slice on the rematch.

Winner deserve it becuse he's holding all the belts and the hypes under his name is huge.

And I think it will favor Crawford to some extend, yes he will be getting like 40%, like what we have been saying. But if he won the first fight and the rematch clause was automatically activated, then it will be the other way now.

Whoever wins and decide to have a rematch or if it's on the contract that rematch should take place,
like what I said, he deserves to earn a lot if the rematch happen.

Crawford getting at least the 60% now, the biggest purse. Although again, if this for us is very easy to understand, then why not their legal counsel translate it in paper so that they can sign it right away.

They are ngotiating and whatever the reason behind maybe they are the one who's deciding upon.

[Baofeng]

I think I like the idea though of the winner getting the bigger slice on the rematch. And I think it will favor Crawford to some extend, yes he will be getting like 40%, like what we have been saying. But if he won the first fight and the rematch clause was automatically activated, then it will be the other way now. Crawford getting at least the 60% now, the biggest purse. Although again, if this for us is very easy to understand, then why not their legal counsel translate it in paper so that they can sign it right away.

Crawford for now is not caring about his slice. He just wanted to push the fight and will be after that whole thing after
the first match takes place. If he wins, then expect a much better slice and much bigger demands.

It will be great for the boxing community once the final date for the upcoming fight will be announced as it's really
been waited a long time ago.

The delays are keeping the fans hanging in the air, still waiting for any result of the negotiations coming from both
camps.

I also believe that, Crawford knows that Spence will always ask for a bigger slice, and Crawford is okay with that as long as the share is reasonable. One big win here will make him at the top, so it will be him dictating the terms on their next fight, Crawford has to prove that he is better than Spence, end of the story.

And it you look at the noises from the background, from analyst and boxers, they favor Crawford to win in this fight, or at least 60% believed that. But it doesn't mean he will be the A-side, Spence believed he is the best welterweight because he has fought the best against Crawford resume. And Bud knows that, and so they are ironing out about the rematch clause that will give the winner the biggest purse in their rematch. And this is going to be worth for Crawford if he wins the first fight.

[AmoreJaz]

I think I like the idea though of the winner getting the bigger slice on the rematch.

Winner deserve it becuse he's holding all the belts and the hypes under his name is huge.

And I think it will favor Crawford to some extend, yes he will be getting like 40%, like what we have been saying. But if he won the first fight and the rematch clause was automatically activated, then it will be the other way now.

Whoever wins and decide to have a rematch or if it's on the contract that rematch should take place,
like what I said, he deserves to earn a lot if the rematch happen.

Crawford getting at least the 60% now, the biggest purse. Although again, if this for us is very easy to understand, then why not their legal counsel translate it in paper so that they can sign it right away.

They are ngotiating and whatever the reason behind maybe they are the one who's deciding upon.

but talking about now, spence for sure will get the bigger share as he has more belts than crawford. now, if this fight will be an upset, for sure there will be a rematch, and the situation will reverse the next time around. for now, we need to see this fight first. so we can also assess the strength and weaknesses of both fighters inside the ring.

[goinmerry]

There is a high chance that a rematch is bound to happen first regardless of the result, I don't think that Spence or Crawford will just move-on without having a second bout to try and settle their scores. Also, a rematch clause was stated and that's expected as this is an undisputed fight and a measurement on who's really the best boxer in the welterweight division.

I also believed that a rematch will happen regardless of the result. It will be unfinished business if a winner of this match won't reach the 2 wins. It's already a tradition that a rivalry should be settled not just in a single fight but with a rematch.

The only reason I think that a rematch will not happen is if the fight is not close enough and there's a clear winner that no need for a rematch.

[bbc.reporter]

The way PBC is treating Crawford, I don't they will be able to sign him if he beats Spence except for a 1 or 2 fights deal that would guarantee a title shot against undisputed super middleweight champion Jermell Charlo. After that, I think he is headed to DAZN.

As a knowledgeable in boxing, do you think that regardless of who will win on this match between Spence and Crawford, they will face Jermell Charlo next at the super middleweight?

Or a rematch is bound to happen first?

I really like that this fight between Spence and Crawford should happen now to now end the issues of who's the best in the Welterweight and finally will move on to their next plan.

There is a high chance that a rematch is bound to happen first regardless of the result, I don't think that Spence or Crawford will just move-on without having a second bout to try and settle their scores. Also, a rematch clause was stated and that's expected as this is an undisputed fight and a measurement on who's really the best boxer in the welterweight division.

An immediate rematch clause regardless of the result? What if Crawford knocks out Spence in round 1 or if Spence knocks out Crawford also in round 1? Does this not make the rematch not very marketable for the promoters and also not very tempting to watch for the fans? I reckon there must be a clause within the rematch clause hehe.

Also, Bob Arum said that Crawford will beat Spence. But how can we trust Arum when he was hurt by Crawford when he left Top Rank for free agency.



“I really believe Terence is the better fighter and will beat Spence when they fight, although I expect it’ll be a tremendous fight. That remains to be seen,” said Arum when asked if Spence – Crawford will be on the level of the 1980s fight between Sugar Ray Leonard and Tommy Hearns.

Source https://www.boxingnews24.com/2022/09/bob-arum-picks-terence-crawford-to-defeats-errol-spence-jr/

[Baofeng]

^ Hehehe, we should take everything with a grain of salt specially coming from Bob Arum. He used to promote Crawford, and if he believes he can beat him, why he didn't set up the fight? The only reason I can see is that it's it's difficult to negotiate with PBC or there is not money to be made because he says that Crawford doesn't have that huge draw. And this is one of the main reason why Crawford left him, because of this comment of him, and assuming that time that Crawford is still with Bob.

[Russlenat]

^ Hehehe, we should take everything with a grain of salt specially coming from Bob Arum. He used to promote Crawford, and if he believes he can beat him, why he didn't set up the fight? The only reason I can see is that it's it's difficult to negotiate with PBC or there is not money to be made because he says that Crawford doesn't have that huge draw. And this is one of the main reason why Crawford left him, because of this comment of him, and assuming that time that Crawford is still with Bob.

Crawford might not draw a lot of fans like Spence do, but this is already a big fight, for sure the promoters will make a lot of money in this undisputed fight. I don't think the problem here is if this fight will earn big money, I guess the real problem is just the split of revenue or one of the two have chicken out.

[Ziskinberg]

It will be nicer if this fight will not remain as a hype, I mean, it should come into reality so fans will stop speculating anymore, some are positive while some are already negative about the chance fo this fight happening.

No doubt and indeed it will be nicer if we all got updates from the promoters so fans will start the countdown
of days or to book this, fight and be placed on their calendars.

Till there's no final update regarding to any signing of contracts, there would be a lot of speculation coming from
the fans and all those who really wanted this to happen.

For now, everything will remain rumors or speculation and everyone is free to think if this fight will take place
or some excuse will show up for this fight not to happen.

That would be much better if both camps are open to the public but that is not the case this time, they are trying to keep it all under wraps and they only let some tiny details to be leaked for the public's knowledge. They should start to give some real time updates because up until now, we only know that they have agreed verbally but I don't know what's taking too long to make that paper so both camps can sign and make the fight official.

[mirakal]

The way PBC is treating Crawford, I don't they will be able to sign him if he beats Spence except for a 1 or 2 fights deal that would guarantee a title shot against undisputed super middleweight champion Jermell Charlo. After that, I think he is headed to DAZN.

As a knowledgeable in boxing, do you think that regardless of who will win on this match between Spence and Crawford, they will face Jermell Charlo next at the super middleweight?

Or a rematch is bound to happen first?

I really like that this fight between Spence and Crawford should happen now to now end the issues of who's the best in the Welterweight and finally will move on to their next plan.

There is a high chance that a rematch is bound to happen first regardless of the result, I don't think that Spence or Crawford will just move-on without having a second bout to try and settle their scores. Also, a rematch clause was stated and that's expected as this is an undisputed fight and a measurement on who's really the best boxer in the welterweight division.

An immediate rematch clause regardless of the result? What if Crawford knocks out Spence in round 1 or if Spence knocks out Crawford also in round 1? Does this not make the rematch not very marketable for the promoters and also not very tempting to watch for the fans? I reckon there must be a clause within the rematch clause hehe.

Also, Bob Arum said that Crawford will beat Spence. But how can we trust Arum when he was hurt by Crawford when he left Top Rank for free agency.



“I really believe Terence is the better fighter and will beat Spence when they fight, although I expect it’ll be a tremendous fight. That remains to be seen,” said Arum when asked if Spence – Crawford will be on the level of the 1980s fight between Sugar Ray Leonard and Tommy Hearns.

Source https://www.boxingnews24.com/2022/09/bob-arum-picks-terence-crawford-to-defeats-errol-spence-jr/

Yes, you're right. I won't be marketable for the organizers and promoters if Spence or Crawford will get knocked out especially in the 1st round of the fight, anyway, they haven't released some details regarding that clause within the rematch clause. What we know is that the defeated boxer could chose to activate that clause or not, and we know it won't be activated if that defeated boxer was lost dominantly by a way of KO/TKO. I bet the promoter won't let the boxer do that because it's already nonsense.

I also believe that Bud Crawford have the higher hand in this fight, the man is fearless and could break mountains if he has to. While Spence here is clearly trying to drag the schedule because he knows that Crawford won't be the same as time goes by.