[Boxing] Crawford vs Spence

[chaser15]

Danny Garcia lost to Spence by decision so that's probably the reason why he is crediting Spence a lot. It's like, he is still a force to reckon with because he lost to the best guy in the division. Though I seldom read nor hear any interviews from Danny Garcia and his twat dad, I did follow his career even before he became a world champion. He and especially his dad always feel they are the center of the boxing world.

The better way to listen to or read an analysis IMO is from Kell Brook and Shawn Porter as both fought Spence and Crawford. Timothy Bradley haven't faced Crawford and Spence but I do like his non biased analysis too. I'll bet all these 3 fighters will probably say Crawford is way way better than Spence if asked between the two.

These boxers refer to their own experience that's why their judgment is biased toward a specific boxer. It does make sense that they will have a view like that since they feel the strength of that boxer for real. About Danny Garcia's analysis that Spence is too strong for Crawford since he has experience fighting Spence, that's where his statement came from disregarding the other advantages that Crawford has.

I agree with you that a good analysis should come from a boxer that has experience fighting those who will be faced off. They can exactly determine the difference between those 2 boxers and their analysis is closed to being perfect and accurate.

Although in the end, no one knows what will be the final result.

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[Hypnosis00]

Danny Garcia lost to Spence by decision so that's probably the reason why he is crediting Spence a lot. It's like, he is still a force to reckon with because he lost to the best guy in the division. Though I seldom read nor hear any interviews from Danny Garcia and his twat dad, I did follow his career even before he became a world champion. He and especially his dad always feel they are the center of the boxing world.

The better way to listen to or read an analysis IMO is from Kell Brook and Shawn Porter as both fought Spence and Crawford. Timothy Bradley haven't faced Crawford and Spence but I do like his non biased analysis too. I'll bet all these 3 fighters will probably say Crawford is way way better than Spence if asked between the two.

These boxers refer to their own experience that's why their judgment is biased toward a specific boxer. It does make sense that they will have a view like that since they feel the strength of that boxer for real. About Danny Garcia's analysis that Spence is too strong for Crawford since he has experience fighting Spence, that's where his statement came from disregarding the other advantages that Crawford has.

I agree with you that a good analysis should come from a boxer that has experience fighting those who will be faced off. They can exactly determine the difference between those 2 boxers and their analysis is closed to being perfect and accurate.

Although in the end, no one knows what will be the final result.

Danny Garcia might say that Spence is better than Crawford, but I would believe more on Shawn Porter who faced both boxers and IIRC, Porter said that Crawford is the better fighter, so maybe if we listen to this guy, we will have a good basis and we will not be biased.

[Jawhead999]

Danny Garcia might say that Spence is better than Crawford, but I would believe more on Shawn Porter who faced both boxers and IIRC, Porter said that Crawford is the better fighter, so maybe if we listen to this guy, we will have a good basis and we will not be biased.

Yep he should know more about both Spence and Crawford rather than anyone else since he have fought them and never afraid with losses. The thing is he have a reach disadvantages, he and Spence only have difference for 6 cm while he and Crawford have difference for 11 cm. That's why on his fight against Crawford, he fall down because he move to far to hit Crawford and since his position is open, Crawford punch him.

[Oasisman]

Danny Garcia might say that Spence is better than Crawford, but I would believe more on Shawn Porter who faced both boxers and IIRC, Porter said that Crawford is the better fighter, so maybe if we listen to this guy, we will have a good basis and we will not be biased.

Yep, obviously. I'm also in favour of what Porter said.
Based on his fight for both Crawford and Spence, I can say Crawford have a better and effective plan against Porter's aggressiveness. We all knew Porter's style of play, Crawford executed very well to deliver that knock out.
While on the other hand, with his fight against Spence, i can say that was really a close one. Without that round 11 quick knock down, Porter could've won it.

[Japinat]

Danny Garcia might say that Spence is better than Crawford, but I would believe more on Shawn Porter who faced both boxers and IIRC, Porter said that Crawford is the better fighter, so maybe if we listen to this guy, we will have a good basis and we will not be biased.

Yep, obviously. I'm also in favour of what Porter said.
Based on his fight for both Crawford and Spence, I can say Crawford have a better and effective plan against Porter's aggressiveness. We all knew Porter's style of play, Crawford executed very well to deliver that knock out.

He made Porter look an amateur boxers as Crawford has an good strategy of battling Porter's aggressive type of boxing.
The most important part is the KO by Crawford since no boxer has ever KO Porter.

While on the other hand, with his fight against Spence, i can say that was really a close one. Without that round 11 quick knock down, Porter could've won it.

They are just trading punches, it's just that Spence was the stronger fighter so he won the fight, maybe Judges also favored him a bit as he is more popular than Porter.

[Pamadar]

Danny Garcia might say that Spence is better than Crawford, but I would believe more on Shawn Porter who faced both boxers and IIRC, Porter said that Crawford is the better fighter, so maybe if we listen to this guy, we will have a good basis and we will not be biased.

Yep, obviously. I'm also in favour of what Porter said.
Based on his fight for both Crawford and Spence, I can say Crawford have a better and effective plan against Porter's aggressiveness. We all knew Porter's style of play, Crawford executed very well to deliver that knock out.
While on the other hand, with his fight against Spence, i can say that was really a close one. Without that round 11 quick knock down, Porter could've won it.

It is an actual experienced, and he got that chance to fight both fighters,

Though there are differences when the actual fight between the two, we never know what adjustments and what preparations
both fighters will do before the fight takes place.

Spence might use his strength to push forward and create a good opening to throw solid punches while, with Crawford's side, he's
known for being patience and understanding how to work with adjustments that he needs with his opponent.

[harizen]

Danny Garcia might say that Spence is better than Crawford, but I would believe more on Shawn Porter who faced both boxers and IIRC, Porter said that Crawford is the better fighter, so maybe if we listen to this guy, we will have a good basis and we will not be biased.

Regardless of their experience, there will be a different approach obviously between Crawford and Spence once they faced each other in the ring. Garcia and Porter's experience can't be applied now to the analysis as both Crawford and Spence will surely have different strategies against each other compared to when they faced Garcia and Porter.

Well, the reporters just ask about their sentiment and speculations that's why they provide their respective statements towards Crawford and Spence.

Their speculations obviously came from their own experienced and not being biased.

[agustina2]

Any wild forecast and news about the status of this fight?

According to my backread here, seems no good progress till now and everyone is still hanging.

Or I just miss some news that there's progress now? Can anyone share it?

[TimeTeller]

Any wild forecast and news about the status of this fight?

According to my backread here, seems no good progress till now and everyone is still hanging.

Or I just miss some news that there's progress now? Can anyone share it?

Nothing concrete yet for this fight, so I guess, what we can do is just wait and see.

And about Arum's thoughts on this -

https://www.boxingnews24.com/2022/07/bob-arum-doubts-terence-crawford-vs-errol-spence-fight-happens/

What I can see here, is the money that they will get here is a big factor to determine when will happen this fight.
Also, what kind of purse agreements between the two. But definitely, Spence Jr will get a bigger share of the pie.
Now, it depends on their respective promoters how they will go with this boxing match.

[cryptomaniac_xxx]

Any wild forecast and news about the status of this fight?

According to my backread here, seems no good progress till now and everyone is still hanging.

Or I just miss some news that there's progress now? Can anyone share it?

Nothing concrete yet for this fight, so I guess, what we can do is just wait and see.

And about Arum's thoughts on this -

https://www.boxingnews24.com/2022/07/bob-arum-doubts-terence-crawford-vs-errol-spence-fight-happens/

What I can see here, is the money that they will get here is a big factor to determine when will happen this fight.
Also, what kind of purse agreements between the two. But definitely, Spence Jr will get a bigger share of the pie.
Now, it depends on their respective promoters how they will go with this boxing match.

Yes, as of now, everything falls of pure speculation, we have our own believes as who is stalling the fight and what might have the reason behind it, (whether it is absurd, they could been some truth behind it).

The purse agreement? I think we are all in unison that Spence Jr, will be the A-side of this fight. He seems to be drawing more fight fans in their seat when he fight, so there is no question about it.

[Natalim]

The purse agreement? I think we are all in unison that Spence Jr, will be the A-side of this fight. He seems to be drawing more fight fans in their seat when he fight, so there is no question about it.

That's what Crawford should agree, this is a big fight but he is not in the position to demand a split purse, getting 40% is big enough though because if he wins, sure this is not going to be his last fight and he will be having big fights in the future which could potentially bring him more money.

[harizen]

That's what Crawford should agree, this is a big fight but he is not in the position to demand a split purse, getting 40% is big enough though because if he wins, sure this is not going to be his last fight and he will be having big fights in the future which could potentially bring him more money.

As far as referring to recent news, rumors, or just an analysis by anyone regarding the progress of this fight, I think the discussion about the purse split is not really the big hindrance to why the fight is not officially deal. We don't know what's happening behind the curtain but a purse split is something that doesn't really need a deep discussion from both parties. I'm sure Crawford doesn't have any problem if he will get the 40% of the split.

Not unless there will be news or rumor that Spence wants more than 60%, that's really a problem although I doubt that issue will happen for real.

For now, let's disregard that speculation about the purse split until there's official news about that.

[goinmerry]

The purse agreement? I think we are all in unison that Spence Jr, will be the A-side of this fight. He seems to be drawing more fight fans in their seat when he fight, so there is no question about it.

Actually, both boxers have the capability to attract more viewers and PPV subscribers. It's just that Errol Spence Jr. does have better and impressive PPV stats compare to Terence Crawford's overall that's why it makes sense to believe that Spence should have a bigger cut.

But even if there's no such thing as Spence being called the PPV King, these both boxers can easily be sold out tickets and PPV subscriptions in just a short period of time. The reason is that it's a mega bout that every boxing fan is waiting for.

This fight is being shaped for years now and it's just this year it become close to happening although as of now, information about the progress is really limited. We have no other options but to remain hanging for any updates regarding the fight.

[Japinat]

Any wild forecast and news about the status of this fight?

According to my backread here, seems no good progress till now and everyone is still hanging.

Or I just miss some news that there's progress now? Can anyone share it?

Yes, seems that there is no progress in their must awaited fight and we aren't that sure yet that this fight will really materialize this year. If we search for updates or progress about the Spence-Crawford fight on the internet, we can see that there are new articles that have surfaced but the bottom line is that the fight is still in the works.

Crawford must do something if he's eager to have a fight this year before he gets inactive for a year now. About that, he said that he's looking forward to fighting Jermell Charlo if this undisputed bout won't go through this year.

[agustina2]

Any wild forecast and news about the status of this fight?

According to my backread here, seems no good progress till now and everyone is still hanging.

Or I just miss some news that there's progress now? Can anyone share it?

Yes, seems that there is no progress in their must awaited fight and we aren't that sure yet that this fight will really materialize this year. If we search for updates or progress about the Spence-Crawford fight on the internet, we can see that there are new articles that have surfaced but the bottom line is that the fight is still in the works.

Crawford must do something if he's eager to have a fight this year before he gets inactive for a year now. About that, he said that he's looking forward to fighting Jermell Charlo if this undisputed bout won't go through this year.

Yes, seems that there is no really fresh news around about the progress of the fight. I also did my own research of mine but like anyone else, I don't see such big news or even a hint from anywhere that the fight is really closed to happening. Regarding your last statement, I also read elsewhere before that the name Jermell Charlo is being linked to Terence Crawford but since there's no news or even speculation that Crawford will take Charlo instead, therefore the negotiation with Spence's Camp is still underdoing.

The speculation of this fight is set to date on September or October, right? We can now disregard the chances of the fight happening next month. October still has a chance if the negotiations will be successfully take place this month. The worst is, no news until the end of the year lol.

[Baofeng]

Oscar dela Hoya of Golden Boy says or at least inserted into the picture his 147 lbs fighter in the discussion and that is Vergil Ortiz Jr, who won the WBA eliminator. That if this fight is not going to be made, then Ortiz is willing to step up as he is the mandatory for the WBA by Spence. So we shall see, it's going to be a huge setback for us boxing fans if the deal is off for now. As we will have to wait, and chances are it can't happen as either have plans as well.

[AmoreJaz]

Oscar dela Hoya of Golden Boy says or at least inserted into the picture his 147 lbs fighter in the discussion and that is Vergil Ortiz Jr, who won the WBA eliminator. That if this fight is not going to be made, then Ortiz is willing to step up as he is the mandatory for the WBA by Spence. So we shall see, it's going to be a huge setback for us boxing fans if the deal is off for now. As we will have to wait, and chances are it can't happen as either have plans as well.

so now, it is more on the fight of the jr's here - ortiz jr vs spence jr. well, i guess, these promoters are just hyping up the crawford vs spence to generate tons of money. but they should not wait too long as their boxers are not getting any younger. don't wait like the mayweather-pacquiao fight. it seems both camps didn't agree with their respective requests. or they feel it is not getting much attention that will fill all their pockets?

[LUCKMCFLY]

Ok, this is just my thoughts, I think it boils down to the guaranteed money for either boxer. I'm not sure of the numbers but we haven't seen 1 million buys for a long time isn't it? And then the PPV is going to be expensive in this one, like $80.00. Is fans willing to pay that much or would rather look for other venues to watch it for free? (just like the majority of us here). So the networks maybe can't guarantee how much they are going to give them in terms of the PPV. Even the Canelo fights are not that generating at least 1 million PPV, he is the cash cow right now. So this could be in the tune of like 500,000-600,000 which might fall to the expectation of networks.

It is really about the money. We are not even sure if Crawford and Spence already agreed on the purse split. What you mentioned might be the main issue here. I read an interview with Bob Arum last week and he also mentioned the ongoing issues with boxers' purse guarantees. The problem with illegal streams. And the current covid and Ukraine war that put the world economy into crisis. I know a lot of people hate Bob Arum and I am not also a fan of Arum. But what he said were facts. Imagine Canelo received more or less than $50 million and another $5 million to Bivol. And the fight only generated 500,000 PPV buys?  

Right, it's all about the piracy - illegal streamers that really hurt the PPV numbers of some of the great fights in the last couple of years. And it's really hard to crack them, I mean they are all over the social media so even as hard as the networks trying to sue and bring them down legally, it will be very hard. So the money might not be enough for this two, as they are elite and demanding more. But how can promotion and network do that if the PPV numbers will not do good? In the past, Manny can have some unknown dance partner and still generated a good PPV numbers around 300,000 to 500,000 buys.

They cannot eliminate those illegal streamers as they are everywhere, however, they can still make a lot of money because people living in developed countries can certainly afford to buy a PPV, so why would they rely on the illegal streams that can be interrupted anytime. Also, this PPV is not available worldwide, so some has no choice but to look for illegal streams just to be able to watch the fight.

It's not just the illegal streamers, its' about the price as well. This fight could be in the $80.00, so as what they have been saying, we are in recession, do you think people are willing to pay that much, like us casual fans? Or course, there could be fans that are willing. But I just imagine ordinary fans would look for free and they might have to go to illegal streamers.

And we all know that piracy is a booming business for this people, it's a billion dollar industry and for sure boxing network are taking a big hit as far as revenue goes.

The price that is not affordable on poor countries, in US and in other major countries, they can afford that as they are making like over $10 per hour, but in other countries, $10 is their per day salary, see a big difference? But as a fan, we love to see the fight so we will find a way to watch it even on an illegal way.

We cannot really blame them to watch the fight with the means of illegal streamers because they cannot really afford that $80 and that is the unfortunate reality of the fans that mostly lived in not-so-modern countries where the salaries are not that big either. They are just happy to see the fight and cheer for their boxer even if the reception or quality is not that good as the stream is illegal.

For many fans it is difficult to get 80USD, more when we realize that it is a fight that has been waited for so long, I think from the deepest part of me, that a true fan will look for the money in any way, of course this without stopping eating or to hit their own, although it seems to me that not only is the sport being monopolized, but also if you do not have sufficient resources to watch the fight, it is better to go to a bar where the fight will be broadcast and enjoy it with a couple of beers, that I would, and I know it would save me much more money, but for those who don't think like me, and have or get the money, they would look for a way to have it at home from their own comfort.

Oscar dela Hoya of Golden Boy says or at least inserted into the picture his 147 lbs fighter in the discussion and that is Vergil Ortiz Jr, who won the WBA eliminator. That if this fight is not going to be made, then Ortiz is willing to step up as he is the mandatory for the WBA by Spence. So we shall see, it's going to be a huge setback for us boxing fans if the deal is off for now. As we will have to wait, and chances are it can't happen as either have plans as well.

so now, it is more on the fight of the jr's here - ortiz jr vs spence jr. well, i guess, these promoters are just hyping up the crawford vs spence to generate tons of money. but they should not wait too long as their boxers are not getting any younger. don't wait like the mayweather-pacquiao fight. it seems both camps didn't agree with their respective requests. or they feel it is not getting much attention that will fill all their pockets?

Well, the truth is that it doesn't surprise me, it is known that every boxing fight is behind a lot of money, oh and it doesn't seem so impossible to me if the fight between Pacquiao and Mayweather happens that was actually pending and that Mayweather doesn't want to do it out of fear, yes in every fight what moves it is the business model so lucrative it is because they still do not receive a good offer to be worthwhile and can be done, here and for a long time, money is above sport, and not Only on a professional level, I would say that in every sense it is what is managed the most, it is sad because there is some corruption, but things work that way.

[yazher]

That's what Crawford should agree, this is a big fight but he is not in the position to demand a split purse, getting 40% is big enough though because if he wins, sure this is not going to be his last fight and he will be having big fights in the future which could potentially bring him more money.

Yeah! is aiming for profit in the future and in this fight, you won't know who could win it until they begin to fight inside the ring and Crawford has the chance to snatch the win Spence as well. If that's what happened, then his plan will be successful because what comes after that is multiple offers and he will call the split percentage earnings in his next fight. Right now, his focus should be on the fight and he really needs to come up with a good strategy to beat Spence.

[Natalim]

That's what Crawford should agree, this is a big fight but he is not in the position to demand a split purse, getting 40% is big enough though because if he wins, sure this is not going to be his last fight and he will be having big fights in the future which could potentially bring him more money.

Yeah! is aiming for profit in the future and in this fight, you won't know who could win it until they begin to fight inside the ring and Crawford has the chance to snatch the win Spence as well. If that's what happened, then his plan will be successful because what comes after that is multiple offers and he will call the split percentage earnings in his next fight. Right now, his focus should be on the fight and he really needs to come up with a good strategy to beat Spence.

I'm sure he is capable of beating Spence, but the most important is that he should accept what Spence likes for now because he is at the top. I believe Crawford receiving a lower percentage of the total purse and revenue is the only way this fight would happen.