[Boxing] Canelo vs Golovkin 3 - September 17

[TravelMug]

^^ Yes, right now if we look at paper, Canelo is still at his prime despite his current lost to Bivol. While GGG is 40 years old, so everything favors Canelo. But we can't discount the fact that maybe GGG can still fight just like in their first match wherein it was really very close and even I believed that he could have gotten the win if not rob by those judges. So it's only on the actual fight that we will see what both of this fighters are made of. Canelo closing their story or GGG avenging his only defeat.

Nowadays athletes are able to maintain a high level of fitness up to the mid-40s. We have seen this in case of Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao. And Golovkin is someone who maintains his fitness level rigorously. Therefore I don't think that age is going to be a major factor in this match. Rather than age, I would give more importance to the momentum. GGG won his last fight (against Japanese boxer Ryōta Murata), while Canelo is on the backfoot after losing his fight against the Russian boxer Dmitry Bivol.

Bernard Hopkins as well, even fighting at 40's if I'm not mistaken. But I guess those fall on the super elite athlete category, I remember Bernard's interview saying that he really takes care of his body, sleeps early and maintain a good diet throughout his boxing career and even maintain a size 28 waistline. So the discipline is there for this boxers. Hopefully, GGG will fall on this category as well as he can still fight at 40 years of age.

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[Sithara007]

Bernard Hopkins as well, even fighting at 40's if I'm not mistaken. But I guess those fall on the super elite athlete category, I remember Bernard's interview saying that he really takes care of his body, sleeps early and maintain a good diet throughout his boxing career and even maintain a size 28 waistline. So the discipline is there for this boxers. Hopefully, GGG will fall on this category as well as he can still fight at 40 years of age.

GGG is also very careful about his fitness and maintains a very strict diet and workout regimen. Alcohol and tobacco is a strict no-no and his diet is mostly comprised of steak, oatmeal, eggs, grilled chicken, potatoes, salad and juices. He starts his workout at 6am every day and on every Saturday he goes for 15-km mountain running. Golovkin has himself said that the secret of maintaining his weight is to eat smart and to drink lots of water. But still, at 40 years he may be starting to feel the disadvantages of ageing.

[Fundamentals Of]

One thing that I have noticed for Canelo is that he starts quite well. Even against Golovkin, on both the previous fights he dominated the earlier rounds. Against Bivol, I won't say that he dominated the earlier rounds. IMO, Bivol dominated almost all the rounds. But the difference is that Canelo was competitive against Bivol during the initial rounds, before getting blown away in the later rounds. All that said, scoring is a big concern for me. Why can't we have some AI based mechanical scoring method? Technology has progressed so much.

I'm all in favor of an AI scoring method for boxing. Human judges are so faulty and unfair. Aside from the truth that they cannot be totally objective in making a decision, they're also limited in judging the fight. They're all sitting down low from a particular viewpoint. So they cannot really see all the action. They cannot be fair in their judgement because it is impossible for them to see all the punches and even the entire match from just a single angle.

Agreed regarding AI scoring. But the problem is that a lot of people have come up with such methods, and none of them have been widely accepted in boxing. An example is the Automated Impact Sensing System (AISS) developed by the Australian Institute of Sport. Recent testing found accuracy of more than 90%, but professional boxing needs much more than that. AIBA recently introduced a similar system as well. This is now becoming like a necessity, as talks are ongoing regarding exclusion of boxing from Olympics (due to the scoring issues).

Because scoring in boxing has always been a big issue. Sometimes it is more subjective than objective especially in close fights like GGG vs Canelo. We can name many more fights where boxing analysts and experts cannot believe the judges' scorecards in whatever way they look at the fight.

The CompuBox program for example has been in use in recent boxing matches. And while it is not really used to judge fights, it counts more or less accurately punches, power punches, and how many of these landed. But it happened many times that the winners are the ones who seemed to have performed rather poorly in terms of CompuBox statistics. Of course, judging isn't solely based on punches but there can't be any factor that matters more in boxing.

[Oasisman]

Bernard Hopkins as well, even fighting at 40's if I'm not mistaken. But I guess those fall on the super elite athlete category, I remember Bernard's interview saying that he really takes care of his body, sleeps early and maintain a good diet throughout his boxing career and even maintain a size 28 waistline. So the discipline is there for this boxers. Hopefully, GGG will fall on this category as well as he can still fight at 40 years of age.

GGG is also very careful about his fitness and maintains a very strict diet and workout regimen. Alcohol and tobacco is a strict no-no and his diet is mostly comprised of steak, oatmeal, eggs, grilled chicken, potatoes, salad and juices. He starts his workout at 6am every day and on every Saturday he goes for 15-km mountain running. Golovkin has himself said that the secret of maintaining his weight is to eat smart and to drink lots of water. But still, at 40 years he may be starting to feel the disadvantages of ageing.

No matter how you maintain your wellness to keep your body going like you usually do when you're young, there could always be changes in your body that you will notice eventually. However, healthy diet and regular exercise will slow down the effect of ageing and that's what the boxers essentially need for the longevity of their career. So, these guys who can still fight effectively at 40, their dedication and passion in boxing are extraordinary. And yeah, absolutely GGG is among these men.

[Kemarit]

Bernard Hopkins as well, even fighting at 40's if I'm not mistaken. But I guess those fall on the super elite athlete category, I remember Bernard's interview saying that he really takes care of his body, sleeps early and maintain a good diet throughout his boxing career and even maintain a size 28 waistline. So the discipline is there for this boxers. Hopefully, GGG will fall on this category as well as he can still fight at 40 years of age.

GGG is also very careful about his fitness and maintains a very strict diet and workout regimen. Alcohol and tobacco is a strict no-no and his diet is mostly comprised of steak, oatmeal, eggs, grilled chicken, potatoes, salad and juices. He starts his workout at 6am every day and on every Saturday he goes for 15-km mountain running. Golovkin has himself said that the secret of maintaining his weight is to eat smart and to drink lots of water. But still, at 40 years he may be starting to feel the disadvantages of ageing.

I think a normal person started to decline at age 40? so even if we do try to maintain it as much as we can, sooner or later Father time is going to catch up with us. But yeah, strict diet and regimen can extend specially for boxers, just like GGG. So maybe for now his age is in question, but we will have to see it on the ring and I think he can still pull the trigger and really extra motivated against Canelo, so for now we will all should base on skills of either of the two.

[Baofeng]

Speaking of Canelo, his former friend, Ryan Garcia say something along this line.

Garcia recently reignited Alvarez’s ire when he predicted Gennadiy Golovkin would beat Alvarez when the two meet in their trilogy fight on Sept. 17 on DAZN PPV at the T-Mobile Arena in Las Vegas.

But then Canelo fired back, saying,

"He's just mad for something – he's no longer in the team. He's always going to be versus us no matter what. But he's a little kid. You need to understand him. He needs to learn a lot of things. My advice for him is to do your job, focus on your career, win a world championship first, then talk about other people because you've accomplished nothing and you start talking about fighters who've accomplished a lot. When I was 20-year-old I was a world champion,”

“You can call out everybody and say and talk and everything but at the end of the day, you are doing nothing. It is what is. We need to understand him now that he's no longer with the Canelo team. He's going to talk mad sh!t about us. It's fine. But he needs to remember how much Eddy did for him. A lot of things. He and his father still owe money to Eddy and Eddy doesn't say anything because he doesn't need it. It's not fair that he's talking sh!t about everything in the camp. He came to my gym and we showed him love and support. He then goes and says anything. He's not grateful. When a person is ungrateful, it's the worst thing.”

Sooner or later though Garcia will have to tell something bad against Canelo and Reynoso. I guess Garcia promoting is fight is good to have Canelo's name, hehehe.

But Canelo says that he is still going to support Garcia, but some parting words, hehehe.

“I don't really think so [that Garcia can beat Davis].

https://www.boxingscene.com/canelo-blasts-ryan-garcia-hes-ungrateful-accomplished-nothing-owes-reynoso-money-wont-beat-tank--167313

[Yaunfitda]

^^ I think the feeling is mutual for Canelo, he see Tank Davis winning against his former stable mate Ryan Garcia.

As for GGG, we can say that age is just a numbers, Manny defy it against Thurman, Donaire failed against Inoue. So we can't really say for certain until we see GGG's performance against Canelo in their fight. And maybe after that we might see a different GGG against X opponent. So for now, I will say age might not be a factor, it's the will to win and how they are going train.

[btc_angela]

^^ Yes, right now if we look at paper, Canelo is still at his prime despite his current lost to Bivol. While GGG is 40 years old, so everything favors Canelo. But we can't discount the fact that maybe GGG can still fight just like in their first match wherein it was really very close and even I believed that he could have gotten the win if not rob by those judges. So it's only on the actual fight that we will see what both of this fighters are made of. Canelo closing their story or GGG avenging his only defeat.

Nowadays athletes are able to maintain a high level of fitness up to the mid-40s. We have seen this in case of Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao. And Golovkin is someone who maintains his fitness level rigorously. Therefore I don't think that age is going to be a major factor in this match. Rather than age, I would give more importance to the momentum. GGG won his last fight (against Japanese boxer Ryōta Murata), while Canelo is on the backfoot after losing his fight against the Russian boxer Dmitry Bivol.

I agree but still, age is a big factor to look at, you have to consider the wear and tear of the body, and then the training as well. Perhaps the training regimen should be different when you are at 30 as compare to 40 years old because old body then to recover slow and it takes a lot of time. Or you can overtrain yourself, just like what we witnessed in Manny, he was showing age in Thurman but still won, but against Ugas, it was a different Manny we see, slow, and no movement perhaps it could be his age really showing on that fight and then he retire.

[inthelongrun]

As for GGG, we can say that age is just a numbers, Manny defy it against Thurman, Donaire failed against Inoue. So we can't really say for certain until we see GGG's performance against Canelo in their fight. And maybe after that we might see a different GGG against X opponent. So for now, I will say age might not be a factor, it's the will to win and how they are going train.

It is science mate. It is a fact that most boxers downfall started in mid 30s and so on. Technical fighters like Mayweather jr. and BHop have better career longevity whereas most brawlers like Israel Vasquez, BamBam Rios and Margarito succumbed earlier.

Although I do not agree with that one judge favoring Thurman. It was a close fight. If Manny didn't score a knock down it would have been a draw or even in favor of Thurman. And that was the Thurman that just came back from boxing after years of inactivity. The same Thurman that nearly lost to a gate keeper on his return bout. Prime Pacman would have easily destroyed that poor version of Thurman. 

GGG's face reacted like he's in pain when Murata landed solid blows. Compared that to the younger version of GGG. He seemed not even affected after receiving heavy blows from knockout artists David Lemieux and Daniel Jacobs.

[Daltonik]

And you got that right, of course, Canelo has more chances to win against GGG in the ring. He has the advantage against the ready-to-retire GGG and he has to win even on their upcoming trilogy if there's no hype if he wins it because he can't afford to lose for the 2nd time this year but he still should be careful against GGG though because even the man is much older than him, GGG can always upset any opponent he'd face even if that name is Saul Canelo Alvarez.

Yes, it seems to me that the big problem of all professional athletes is that they do not leave during the peak of their fame and athletic form, leaving feelings of joy and pride in the hearts of fans. Instead, they continue to participate in fights and cause disappointment, I hope that the upcoming Canelo vs Golovkin fight will be an exception.

[erep]

I agree but still, age is a big factor to look at, you have to consider the wear and tear of the body, and then the training as well. Perhaps the training regimen should be different when you are at 30 as compare to 40 years old because old body then to recover slow and it takes a lot of time. Or you can overtrain yourself, just like what we witnessed in Manny, he was showing age in Thurman but still won, but against Ugas, it was a different Manny we see, slow, and no movement perhaps it could be his age really showing on that fight and then he retire.

The age of the boxers is relatively still in excellent physical condition and strong body resistance between 34 and a maximum of 40 years depending on the fitness of each boxer, they must fight according to equal opponents to show knock down abilities, but fight with young opponents only to defensive position and rarely hit hard to be able to bring down the opponent, we can judge it in the Many vs Ugas fight some time ago and vice versa, Floyd Mayweather can still win the boxing fight from Conor McGregor. Between the two fight of the age difference, which prediction is the most dominant for the Canelo vs Golovkin 3 fight, but after Cenelo lost to Bivol then we have to reconsider the victory for Canelo.

[Yamifoud]

I agree but still, age is a big factor to look at, you have to consider the wear and tear of the body, and then the training as well. Perhaps the training regimen should be different when you are at 30 as compare to 40 years old because old body then to recover slow and it takes a lot of time. Or you can overtrain yourself, just like what we witnessed in Manny, he was showing age in Thurman but still won, but against Ugas, it was a different Manny we see, slow, and no movement perhaps it could be his age really showing on that fight and then he retire.

The age of the boxers is relatively still in excellent physical condition and strong body resistance between 34 and a maximum of 40 years depending on the fitness of each boxer, they must fight according to equal opponents to show knock down abilities, but fight with young opponents only to defensive position and rarely hit hard to be able to bring down the opponent, we can judge it in the Many vs Ugas fight some time ago and vice versa, Floyd Mayweather can still win the boxing fight from Conor McGregor. Between the two fight of the age difference, which prediction is the most dominant for the Canelo vs Golovkin 3 fight, but after Cenelo lost to Bivol then we have to reconsider the victory for Canelo.

That loss of Canelo might have already given GGG some confidence in the coming fight. He is already 40 years old, only few fights are left for him but this one is a very special one, so if he will win this fight, he will always be remembered as beating Canelo is always a big achievement.

[TopTort777]

I agree but still, age is a big factor to look at, you have to consider the wear and tear of the body, and then the training as well. Perhaps the training regimen should be different when you are at 30 as compare to 40 years old because old body then to recover slow and it takes a lot of time. Or you can overtrain yourself, just like what we witnessed in Manny, he was showing age in Thurman but still won, but against Ugas, it was a different Manny we see, slow, and no movement perhaps it could be his age really showing on that fight and then he retire.

The age of the boxers is relatively still in excellent physical condition and strong body resistance between 34 and a maximum of 40 years depending on the fitness of each boxer, they must fight according to equal opponents to show knock down abilities, but fight with young opponents only to defensive position and rarely hit hard to be able to bring down the opponent, we can judge it in the Many vs Ugas fight some time ago and vice versa, Floyd Mayweather can still win the boxing fight from Conor McGregor. Between the two fight of the age difference, which prediction is the most dominant for the Canelo vs Golovkin 3 fight, but after Cenelo lost to Bivol then we have to reconsider the victory for Canelo.

That loss of Canelo might have already given GGG some confidence in the coming fight. He is already 40 years old, only few fights are left for him but this one is a very special one, so if he will win this fight, he will always be remembered as beating Canelo is always a big achievement.

Professional fighters dont fight that much to forget their opponents or fights. Even if GGG looses, he will still be remembered and it will be a also a big achievement. Because not every boxer in middleweight has so much experience, to be able to built a career in such a way, to be able to face Canelo 3 times. Lets imagine that Canelo will become greatest among greatest boxers. That will be hell of an achievement to be able to ran 2 close fights with such a great boxer.

[LUCKMCFLY]

^^ He is young and very ambitious, tall and has the advantage on Canelo (reach and height). And he has a good power too, so it's a perfect match for Canelo. But so far he is not on the radar of his team, after GGG maybe they will have to think if they will go for rematch with Bivol. Beterviev is out of the equation for him. There could still be some boxers in 168 lbs that could be safe fight for Canelo. Maybe one try at light heavy weight with Bivol and that's it, regardless of the outcome.

Although you are right in much of what you say, I very much support the fact that he is taller than Canelo, as you say, reach and height is something that in any fight will always be considered an advantage for me, ´I know that the weights must be the same or those that are in the right tolerance, but in confrontation it has a lot to do with a shorter person, the breaking points that he has to concentrate on are the abdomen and the sides, cover himself very well and try to fight what as close as possible to the opponent, if he throws blows to the face the best thing he can do is to have his defense up, no matter the blows he can receive to the body, the person who is tall will find it difficult to land blows and hooks so close, I think that's the biggest con, because if it gives you distance it's dangerous.

[carlisle1]

I agree but still, age is a big factor to look at, you have to consider the wear and tear of the body, and then the training as well. Perhaps the training regimen should be different when you are at 30 as compare to 40 years old because old body then to recover slow and it takes a lot of time. Or you can overtrain yourself, just like what we witnessed in Manny, he was showing age in Thurman but still won, but against Ugas, it was a different Manny we see, slow, and no movement perhaps it could be his age really showing on that fight and then he retire.

The age of the boxers is relatively still in excellent physical condition and strong body resistance between 34 and a maximum of 40 years depending on the fitness of each boxer, they must fight according to equal opponents to show knock down abilities, but fight with young opponents only to defensive position and rarely hit hard to be able to bring down the opponent, we can judge it in the Many vs Ugas fight some time ago and vice versa, Floyd Mayweather can still win the boxing fight from Conor McGregor. Between the two fight of the age difference, which prediction is the most dominant for the Canelo vs Golovkin 3 fight, but after Cenelo lost to Bivol then we have to reconsider the victory for Canelo.

That loss of Canelo might have already given GGG some confidence in the coming fight. He is already 40 years old, only few fights are left for him but this one is a very special one, so if he will win this fight, he will always be remembered as beating Canelo is always a big achievement.

Professional fighters dont fight that much to forget their opponents or fights. Even if GGG looses, he will still be remembered and it will be a also a big achievement. Because not every boxer in middleweight has so much experience, to be able to built a career in such a way, to be able to face Canelo 3 times. Lets imagine that Canelo will become greatest among greatest boxers. That will be hell of an achievement to be able to ran 2 close fights with such a great boxer.

He will be remember, GGG established his name in this division though Canelo is the one who get more achievements but GGG

will always be attached to Canelo's name in this weight division, fans will continue to remember how these two fighters showcase their

talents from one another, if Canelo will not win with a KO, doubts will continue to surround from the two previous fights, it will

remain questionable.

[wxa7115]

He will be remember, GGG established his name in this division though Canelo is the one who get more achievements but GGG

will always be attached to Canelo's name in this weight division, fans will continue to remember how these two fighters showcase their

talents from one another, if Canelo will not win with a KO, doubts will continue to surround from the two previous fights, it will

remain questionable.

Without a doubt this is a risky fight for Canelo, it is obvious he did not wanted to accept this fight as if he had beaten Bivol then he will remain at that division and never cross paths with GGG again.

However since he lost and he lost in such a convincing way then he is trying to get his reputation back by using GGG as a stepping stone, however GGG is still in a good shape and it is not going to be an easy fight, if Canelo cannot beat GGG convincingly despite his age then he is never going to hear the end of it, and this fight which was supposed to increase his reputation could instead lower it even further.

[Fredomago]

I agree but still, age is a big factor to look at, you have to consider the wear and tear of the body, and then the training as well. Perhaps the training regimen should be different when you are at 30 as compare to 40 years old because old body then to recover slow and it takes a lot of time. Or you can overtrain yourself, just like what we witnessed in Manny, he was showing age in Thurman but still won, but against Ugas, it was a different Manny we see, slow, and no movement perhaps it could be his age really showing on that fight and then he retire.

The age of the boxers is relatively still in excellent physical condition and strong body resistance between 34 and a maximum of 40 years depending on the fitness of each boxer, they must fight according to equal opponents to show knock down abilities, but fight with young opponents only to defensive position and rarely hit hard to be able to bring down the opponent, we can judge it in the Many vs Ugas fight some time ago and vice versa, Floyd Mayweather can still win the boxing fight from Conor McGregor. Between the two fight of the age difference, which prediction is the most dominant for the Canelo vs Golovkin 3 fight, but after Cenelo lost to Bivol then we have to reconsider the victory for Canelo.

That loss of Canelo might have already given GGG some confidence in the coming fight. He is already 40 years old, only few fights are left for him but this one is a very special one, so if he will win this fight, he will always be remembered as beating Canelo is always a big achievement.

Beating Canelo is a personal goal for GGG, he and the fans still thinks that they've been rob from that 2 previous fights between these two fighters and winning this trilogy will give the fans more reason to follow and support GGG even he's already on the stage of retiring his gloves maybe there's another fight if ever he will win this one against Canelo or they will have another Rematch.

It's just a possibility, but then again, we need to wait for the outcome of this upcoming fight then predict or assume if what next.

[Sithara007]

I think a normal person started to decline at age 40? so even if we do try to maintain it as much as we can, sooner or later Father time is going to catch up with us. But yeah, strict diet and regimen can extend specially for boxers, just like GGG. So maybe for now his age is in question, but we will have to see it on the ring and I think he can still pull the trigger and really extra motivated against Canelo, so for now we will all should base on skills of either of the two.

Not 40.. but much earlier.. most of the athletes retire when they are 35-36 (I am not just talking about boxing, but also about other sports such as football, cricket and field hockey). I don't want to predict anything at this point. I have already posted that Golovkin doesn't looks as if he has lost any power or maneuverability due to ageing. But then, I could be wrong. If he gets KO-ed by Canelo, I will get roasted here. Boxing is such an unpredictable sport. Did any of us predicted that Canelo would lose to Bivol? I don't think that anyone made a post in favor of Bivol before the match. This match will go the same way. It is unpredictable, although Canelo holds the advantage. 

[Russlenat]

Looking at the current odds:

ML
Alvarez - 1.21
GGG - 3.95

So that is a huge disparity as far as the odds goes and they seems to really favoring Alvarez here. Maybe the age factor is what this bookies are looking at, GGG just won his last fight, while Canelo lost to Bivol. I think it's a great odds for GGG supporters this early as it is very attractive.

I've already anticipated this scenario that Canelo Alvarez will be listed as the favorite one to win while GGG will be the underdog but what I didn't expected was the gap of their odds because GGG has won his last fight against Murata while Canelo has been defeated against Bivol in his last fight. GGG's odds are attractive though but I can't be that sure that he will win, frankly.

[Botnake]

^^ Canelo though looks very angry at his every opponent, but against Bivol though, there seems to be no trash talk but look at what happen to him.

But we can' compare the two, I know it, and Canelo and GGG really hate each other that even at the start of the press conference, you can see dislike. And the feeling is mutual, although GGG seems to be subdue but for sure we want to get his win against Canelo.

This Canelo aggression can play bad for him. I know that he is a profession, but if he fights with such aggression, cold headed GGG can land a nice counter punch. I like GGG behave, always calm and smiling. He is not trying to trash talk or get into opponents mind. That is good quality for a fighter, but bad for promoting event. A lot of people like GGG for his boxing, and hate him for being boring boxer.

Both of them have pros and cons, but I do agree about the thing that Canelo's hot headed will be his disadvantage against GGG because Canelo quite knew that being hot headed will give him a handicap to weigh things correctly in the ring while the latter is at the advantage side as his calmness will give his thinking skills straight amidst the fight.

well, we will see their performance inside the ring few months from now. will this be a redemption for GGG? or will canelo beat him clear and fair? they may do the exchange of words for the sake of publicity, because they need it. but for GGG, this may be his last fight before he hang up the gloves, but for Canelo, this is still one of the many fights that he needs to outperform himself.

I certainly don't think that GGG can defeat Canelo, especially this time. Well, it's not that I'm not underestimating GGG here but the odds are clearly pointing to Canelo as he has the most advantage compared to GGG who is near his retirement stage. GGG may survive the whole and full 12 rounds but I'd say that Canelo will be the hailed winner.