Boxing: Errol Spence vs Keith Thurman

[lionheart78]

As per Spence this is his reason for not wanting to give Thurman a fight:

Spence has been steadfast that he would never give Thurman a shot at his three titles because Thurman showed no interest in fighting him years ago.

It is normal as an act of retaliation since during the peak of Thurman's career Spence was ignored by Thurman, so now that the world turned upside down, it is an obvious revenge for Spence to ignore Thurman this time but i looks like it won't work out because the council had ordered a mandatory def fight against Thurman.  I don't know if there is a penalty if Spence don't heed the order of the boxing council.

https://www.espn.ph/boxing/story/_/id/34989884/errol-spence-ordered-defend-wbc-title-keith-thurman

It could be, but I'm seeing that Spence could be in trouble here. Although Thurman is somewhat inactive, but I reckon his power is still there. And as Rolly Romero says, he can still crack and Spence might be after that he will be crack this time.

So will see, I have high regards still that Thurman will give Spence the toughest test of his career if Keith will just focus and be motivated as before.

Same here, Thurman is still on his prime, he is too young be out of the prime age range.  Though Spence makes it look like he is getting revenge for Thurman's previous action by not getting interested on the fight,  I feel that he is greatly threatened and think that fighting  Thurman is a very high risk for his career so he would rather ignore Thurman if possible and fight other boxer that poses lesser risk.

[boyptc]

I'm also expecting that it will be a different Thurman because he will be fighting a champion, who has a 3 belt right now. And Spence is not going to back down from any trash talk, but not sure why there are news that he didn't want to fight Thurman, or at least that's what Crawford is trying to say.

Yes, we no longer interested as of this time to a Spence vs Crawford.

We are now focused on this fight, as we have a lot of very intriguing and interesting fight in the calendar.

Well, these are professionals that won't let themselves affected with any trash talk or some motivational speaking from their opponents. They all know what happens and what the talks are all about.

People are more intrigued by this match and no longer with the past that's been on the talks of the fans.

this is why the fight is scheduled ahead of time so they will attract more and more support from the community .

Yes, and they'll make some noise as if they're clout chasing so that they'll also be heard by the fans and to make them excited and interested with their upcoming fight.

[Fredomago]

Not surprising because many people believed that Thurman cannot make any difference at this point while Spence's still on his peak, I'm not saying that Thurman is already old because their gap is only a year, but people will still believe that he doesn't have that skillset to defeat the 3-belt champion and that excludes me because I believe that Thurman is not yet done.

I understand your point though because Thurman, even rested for almost 31 months, still showed dominance against Mario Barrios and the final score given is really that gap. Although Barrios can't be compared with Spence, that means that Thurman still has it.

However, Spence's previous winnings via Decision are all landslide wins and the scores tell it all. It means no one from those opponents gives Spence a hard time even coming from a deadly car crash. Can't choose between them but I just hope that Thurman can at least give Spence a tough and close fight.

Yes, he rested for more than 2 years, I even thought that he already gave his career up because he was not in the radar for such a long time with no rumors or everything about him. Just plain no sign of him, maybe he took that huge time to reflect what he could've done but anyway, the thing is that he's back now and already gave a message after he defeated Barrios impressively. Now, he will fight a champion again, let's just hope that Thurman can fulfill the hopes we gave him or at least put up a good fight for Spence.

And for betting, can't really decide whom I'll bet soon but I'm already expecting that Spence will be the favorite while Thurman is the underdog.

Yes but the spread might not be that far knowing that Thurman can upset Spence, still tough to decide since both fighters are still on their prime and the mission of keep winning is what they wanted to established, for Spence his no loss record is very important while for Thurman the belts that Spence is currently holding some of it should his if he only avoid that knock down from Pacquiao he can win that fight as he recover and almost take it from Pacquiao.

Interesting fight for boxing fans, both fighters can impress with solid combinations.

[BitcoinPanther]

Yes but the spread might not be that far knowing that Thurman can upset Spence, still tough to decide since both fighters are still on their prime and the mission of keep winning is what they wanted to established, for Spence his no loss record is very important while for Thurman the belts that Spence is currently holding some of it should his if he only avoid that knock down from Pacquiao he can win that fight as he recover and almost take it from Pacquiao.

I think Thurman will not be careless and overconfident like when he fought  Pacquiao.  I think Thurman will be more careful in his move this time because he knows he made a mistake during his fight against Pacquiao and I bet he would not want to duplicate that mistake. 

Interesting fight for boxing fans, both fighters can impress with solid combinations.

Indeed the fight is very interesting since both of them has the ability to KO their opponent.

[goinmerry]

I just think of this;

- Errol Spence dominating his opponent when he return to the ring after a near-death car crash
- Keith Thurman dominating his opponent after 2 years rest

I don't like to put Science here but Spence experienced a worst but still a dominant fighter after he almost seen the door of the heaven on that car crash. Don't get me wrong and take that as a humor.

[Jawhead999]

I think Thurman will not be careless and overconfident like when he fought  Pacquiao.  I think Thurman will be more careful in his move this time because he knows he made a mistake during his fight against Pacquiao and I bet he would not want to duplicate that mistake. 

Even though Thurman will not be careless and overconfident, but it's still not enough to pull an upset against Spence. He lack of speed while Spence has a good speed and would hit Thurman first before Thurman want to punch Spence, another thing Spence has a reach advantage.

Indeed the fight is very interesting since both of them has the ability to KO their opponent.

I doubt we will see Knock Out result in this fight, both of them have a good chin and would survive until for 12 rounds. I think we might see Spence will win via decision.

[Baofeng]

As per Spence this is his reason for not wanting to give Thurman a fight:

Spence has been steadfast that he would never give Thurman a shot at his three titles because Thurman showed no interest in fighting him years ago.

It is normal as an act of retaliation since during the peak of Thurman's career Spence was ignored by Thurman, so now that the world turned upside down, it is an obvious revenge for Spence to ignore Thurman this time but i looks like it won't work out because the council had ordered a mandatory def fight against Thurman.  I don't know if there is a penalty if Spence don't heed the order of the boxing council.

https://www.espn.ph/boxing/story/_/id/34989884/errol-spence-ordered-defend-wbc-title-keith-thurman

It could be, but I'm seeing that Spence could be in trouble here. Although Thurman is somewhat inactive, but I reckon his power is still there. And as Rolly Romero says, he can still crack and Spence might be after that he will be crack this time.

So will see, I have high regards still that Thurman will give Spence the toughest test of his career if Keith will just focus and be motivated as before.

Same here, Thurman is still on his prime, he is too young be out of the prime age range.  Though Spence makes it look like he is getting revenge for Thurman's previous action by not getting interested on the fight,  I feel that he is greatly threatened and think that fighting  Thurman is a very high risk for his career so he would rather ignore Thurman if possible and fight other boxer that poses lesser risk.

Yes, I understand where Thurman is coming from during that time, he is dominating the 147 lbs and beating a lot of good champions.

But it seems the tide has turn now, Spence is now the king of this division and Thurman will have to make a comeback to get back his belt. And perhaps this is a narrative for him to show us that he still has it. And Spence has nowhere to go now, his fight with Crawford has cancelled, so he needs to find a dancing partner in Thurman. And the risk is higher, but let's see how this fight will turn up. I'm still thinking that Thurman can still pull the trigger to make this a very close fight.

[Fredomago]

I just think of this;

- Errol Spence dominating his opponent when he return to the ring after a near-death car crash
- Keith Thurman dominating his opponent after 2 years rest

I don't like to put Science here but Spence experienced a worst but still a dominant fighter after he almost seen the door of the heaven on that car crash. Don't get me wrong and take that as a humor.

I like the comparison and we all know that event with the life of Spence and even with that experienced when come back he still dominate and still have the title under his belt, though Thurman is also a type of fighter which aiming to have that shot and strip the title from Spence if given a chance he will really do everything to claim it.

I'm sure unlike before when he faces Pacquiao, Thurman will be more careful and prepare now,

He will take that experience to grow and mature, though I'm sure trash talk still needed to bring something when they are both inside the ring.

[stadus]

I just think of this;

- Errol Spence dominating his opponent when he return to the ring after a near-death car crash
- Keith Thurman dominating his opponent after 2 years rest

I don't like to put Science here but Spence experienced a worst but still a dominant fighter after he almost seen the door of the heaven on that car crash. Don't get me wrong and take that as a humor.

I like the comparison and we all know that event with the life of Spence and even with that experienced when come back he still dominate and still have the title under his belt, though Thurman is also a type of fighter which aiming to have that shot and strip the title from Spence if given a chance he will really do everything to claim it.

I'm sure unlike before when he faces Pacquiao, Thurman will be more careful and prepare now,

He will take that experience to grow and mature, though I'm sure trash talk still needed to bring something when they are both inside the ring.

I'm not totally impressed with his performance because Danny Garcia and Yordenis Ugas are not an a level fighter for me. If he really think he believe that he can reign in his division, then he should allow an undisputed fight with Crawford people will stop talking and speculating anymore.

[Yamifoud]

I just think of this;

- Errol Spence dominating his opponent when he return to the ring after a near-death car crash
- Keith Thurman dominating his opponent after 2 years rest

I don't like to put Science here but Spence experienced a worst but still a dominant fighter after he almost seen the door of the heaven on that car crash. Don't get me wrong and take that as a humor.

I like the comparison and we all know that event with the life of Spence and even with that experienced when come back he still dominate and still have the title under his belt, though Thurman is also a type of fighter which aiming to have that shot and strip the title from Spence if given a chance he will really do everything to claim it.

I'm sure unlike before when he faces Pacquiao, Thurman will be more careful and prepare now,

He will take that experience to grow and mature, though I'm sure trash talk still needed to bring something when they are both inside the ring.

I'm not totally impressed with his performance because Danny Garcia and Yordenis Ugas are not an a level fighter for me. If he really think he believe that he can reign in his division, then he should allow an undisputed fight with Crawford people will stop talking and speculating anymore.

I think if he will beat Thurman then you'll be impressed. By far, I believe Thurman is his biggest rival although Thurman is not a champion if he wins this fight, then there's a reason why he can choose not to fight Crawford and just go on with his other plan. For now, Crawford and Spence are the best in their division, but we cannot force these boxers to fight if they won't agree to.

[lionheart78]

I just think of this;

- Errol Spence dominating his opponent when he return to the ring after a near-death car crash
- Keith Thurman dominating his opponent after 2 years rest

I don't like to put Science here but Spence experienced a worst but still a dominant fighter after he almost seen the door of the heaven on that car crash. Don't get me wrong and take that as a humor.

That might be some point of their life events but I do not think it has something do about their performance.  Errol Spence has been dominating his opponent even before the accident, and Thurman, except Manny Pacquiao, had been dominating his opponent too.  I think the good point of comparison between the two boxers is their performance fight against Shawn Porter and Danny Garcia.  These two boxers were among their latest 5 opponents and they both beat them.

Watching the highlights of those fights[1][2][3][4], I believe the fight might go either way.  Thurman fought the younger version of the two boxers and got an impressive result, and later Spence fought the two and also got a more dominating performance.  Still, I believe the fight will be a matter of strategy like the one who counters the others.  Spence maybe the favorite today because he has the belt but never estimate Thurman because he has shown that he still has that sting before he lost to Manny Pacquiao.



[1] Thurman vs Porter
[2] Spence vs Porter
[3] Thurman vs Garcia
[4] Spence vs Garcia

[Vaculin]

As per Spence this is his reason for not wanting to give Thurman a fight:

Spence has been steadfast that he would never give Thurman a shot at his three titles because Thurman showed no interest in fighting him years ago.

It is normal as an act of retaliation since during the peak of Thurman's career Spence was ignored by Thurman, so now that the world turned upside down, it is an obvious revenge for Spence to ignore Thurman this time but i looks like it won't work out because the council had ordered a mandatory def fight against Thurman.  I don't know if there is a penalty if Spence don't heed the order of the boxing council.

Yes, it is. But even if the world has now turned upside down for this two boxers, Thurman is still the one who is smiling because Spence's situation is not that easy and not the same when Thurman rejected him few years back. Spence here can still retaliate to Thurman to make the situation even but he should know that his actions do have consequences because he will be stripped of his WBC title as a penalty for declining the mandatory fight.

[lionheart78]

As per Spence this is his reason for not wanting to give Thurman a fight:

Spence has been steadfast that he would never give Thurman a shot at his three titles because Thurman showed no interest in fighting him years ago.

It is normal as an act of retaliation since during the peak of Thurman's career Spence was ignored by Thurman, so now that the world turned upside down, it is an obvious revenge for Spence to ignore Thurman this time but i looks like it won't work out because the council had ordered a mandatory def fight against Thurman.  I don't know if there is a penalty if Spence don't heed the order of the boxing council.

Yes, it is. But even if the world has now turned upside down for this two boxers, Thurman is still the one who is smiling because Spence's situation is not that easy and not the same when Thurman rejected him few years back. Spence here can still retaliate to Thurman to make the situation even but he should know that his actions do have consequences because he will be stripped of his WBC title as a penalty for declining the mandatory fight.

I see so there is no other way for Spence but to agree with the mandatory fight.  Btw, while watching Thurman's fight against Manny Pacquiao and Porter, there are instances where I see Thurman paused during the fight, which might be one of the keys to victory for Spence.   Whenever Thurman is hit in the body, Thurman seems to feel it.  Just like in this part of the video where Thurman pauses almost got knockdown before Thurman back away  and even gets his mouthpiece out in order to breathe the pain out.

[Fredomago]

I think if he will beat Thurman then you'll be impressed. By far, I believe Thurman is his biggest rival although Thurman is not a champion if he wins this fight, then there's a reason why he can choose not to fight Crawford and just go on with his other plan. For now, Crawford and Spence are the best in their division, but we cannot force these boxers to fight if they won't agree to.

We can't force these two fighters as the negotiations did not go well, now that Spence is on his mandatory fight against Thurman he will be force to face Thurman unless he is willing to give up one of his belt, it's a great fight if ever the association force Spence to fight, both are really good and they are in shape to give a tough fight in between, only the fighter who have a good solid strategy will win.

As per Spence this is his reason for not wanting to give Thurman a fight:

Spence has been steadfast that he would never give Thurman a shot at his three titles because Thurman showed no interest in fighting him years ago.

It is normal as an act of retaliation since during the peak of Thurman's career Spence was ignored by Thurman, so now that the world turned upside down, it is an obvious revenge for Spence to ignore Thurman this time but i looks like it won't work out because the council had ordered a mandatory def fight against Thurman.  I don't know if there is a penalty if Spence don't heed the order of the boxing council.

Yes, it is. But even if the world has now turned upside down for this two boxers, Thurman is still the one who is smiling because Spence's situation is not that easy and not the same when Thurman rejected him few years back. Spence here can still retaliate to Thurman to make the situation even but he should know that his actions do have consequences because he will be stripped of his WBC title as a penalty for declining the mandatory fight.

I see so there is no other way for Spence but to agree with the mandatory fight.  Btw, while watching Thurman's fight against Manny Pacquiao and Porter, there are instances where I see Thurman paused during the fight, which might be one of the keys to victory for Spence.   Whenever Thurman is hit in the body, Thurman seems to feel it.  Just like in this part of the video where Thurman pauses almost got knockdown before Thurman back away  and even gets his mouthpiece out in order to breathe the pain out.

If Spence camps review and work it out, it is a good advantage for him, while for sure Thurman will also find his way to solve this concern to avoid losing the fight. We will see who's going to be the tough fighter between them if the fight will be forced to happen.

[inthelongrun]

I just think of this;

- Errol Spence dominating his opponent when he return to the ring after a near-death car crash
- Keith Thurman dominating his opponent after 2 years rest

I don't like to put Science here but Spence experienced a worst but still a dominant fighter after he almost seen the door of the heaven on that car crash. Don't get me wrong and take that as a humor.

That might be some point of their life events but I do not think it has something do about their performance.  Errol Spence has been dominating his opponent even before the accident, and Thurman, except Manny Pacquiao, had been dominating his opponent too.  I think the good point of comparison between the two boxers is their performance fight against Shawn Porter and Danny Garcia.  These two boxers were among their latest 5 opponents and they both beat them.

Watching the highlights of those fights[1][2][3][4], I believe the fight might go either way.  Thurman fought the younger version of the two boxers and got an impressive result, and later Spence fought the two and also got a more dominating performance.  Still, I believe the fight will be a matter of strategy like the one who counters the others.  Spence maybe the favorite today because he has the belt but never estimate Thurman because he has shown that he still has that sting before he lost to Manny Pacquiao.



[1] Thurman vs Porter
[2] Spence vs Porter
[3] Thurman vs Garcia
[4] Spence vs Garcia

Yes, Thurman fought the younger versions of Porter and Garcia. Garcia was also undefeated and a champion at that time, so it was a unification and a battle of undefeated champions.

But after Thurman went inactive for 2 years, he changed and seems lost. I don't see the hunger in Thurman anymore. In his return fight against Lopez, he won but there were times when he struggled and then all of a sudden he jumped right away to fight against Pacman although an older version. After earning millions he went inactive for 2 years again. He made another tune-up against Barrios, a 140 fighter who was knockout in his last fight against a blown-up 135 Tank Davis. It was a clear victory for Thurman but he struggled and was so vulnerable and was the one hunted by Barrios. Imagine if it was Spence in front of Thurman. If Thurman cannot stop Barrios, how can he get the respect of Spence? If Thurman was hittable and was shaken that's why he ran away from Barrios, imagine if it is a real welterweight with the power, toughness, and skill of Spence.

[Baofeng]

I just think of this;

- Errol Spence dominating his opponent when he return to the ring after a near-death car crash
- Keith Thurman dominating his opponent after 2 years rest

I don't like to put Science here but Spence experienced a worst but still a dominant fighter after he almost seen the door of the heaven on that car crash. Don't get me wrong and take that as a humor.

That might be some point of their life events but I do not think it has something do about their performance.  Errol Spence has been dominating his opponent even before the accident, and Thurman, except Manny Pacquiao, had been dominating his opponent too.  I think the good point of comparison between the two boxers is their performance fight against Shawn Porter and Danny Garcia.  These two boxers were among their latest 5 opponents and they both beat them.

Watching the highlights of those fights[1][2][3][4], I believe the fight might go either way.  Thurman fought the younger version of the two boxers and got an impressive result, and later Spence fought the two and also got a more dominating performance.  Still, I believe the fight will be a matter of strategy like the one who counters the others.  Spence maybe the favorite today because he has the belt but never estimate Thurman because he has shown that he still has that sting before he lost to Manny Pacquiao.



[1] Thurman vs Porter
[2] Spence vs Porter
[3] Thurman vs Garcia
[4] Spence vs Garcia

Yes, Thurman fought the younger versions of Porter and Garcia. Garcia was also undefeated and a champion at that time, so it was a unification and a battle of undefeated champions.

But after Thurman went inactive for 2 years, he changed and seems lost. I don't see the hunger in Thurman anymore. In his return fight against Lopez, he won but there were times when he struggled and then all of a sudden he jumped right away to fight against Pacman although an older version. After earning millions he went inactive for 2 years again. He made another tune-up against Barrios, a 140 fighter who was knockout in his last fight against a blown-up 135 Tank Davis. It was a clear victory for Thurman but he struggled and was so vulnerable and was the one hunted by Barrios. Imagine if it was Spence in front of Thurman. If Thurman cannot stop Barrios, how can he get the respect of Spence? If Thurman was hittable and was shaken that's why he ran away from Barrios, imagine if it is a real welterweight with the power, toughness, and skill of Spence.

I can only speculate what had happen to Thurman during that time,

a. It really took a lot of toll in his body, the wear and tear and so he had to recover from those injuries
b. Choosing a wrong fighter in his comeback, not sure why they chooses Josesito Lopez, but that dude is what tough SOB. Others could look at how durable this fighter is, fights like against Victor Ortiz. He even had fight with Canelo Alvarez
c. They rushed him in making a comeback and maybe he is not 100% yet when he fought Lopez

And that's why Pacquiao and coach Roach is willing to fight him because they see something in him in the Lopez fight. That he wasn't the same anymore.

But again, let's see, if a big fan ahead of him, and maybe at least he can motivate himself again to make this a war against Spence.

[Vaculin]

As per Spence this is his reason for not wanting to give Thurman a fight:

Spence has been steadfast that he would never give Thurman a shot at his three titles because Thurman showed no interest in fighting him years ago.

It is normal as an act of retaliation since during the peak of Thurman's career Spence was ignored by Thurman, so now that the world turned upside down, it is an obvious revenge for Spence to ignore Thurman this time but i looks like it won't work out because the council had ordered a mandatory def fight against Thurman.  I don't know if there is a penalty if Spence don't heed the order of the boxing council.

Yes, it is. But even if the world has now turned upside down for this two boxers, Thurman is still the one who is smiling because Spence's situation is not that easy and not the same when Thurman rejected him few years back. Spence here can still retaliate to Thurman to make the situation even but he should know that his actions do have consequences because he will be stripped of his WBC title as a penalty for declining the mandatory fight.

I see so there is no other way for Spence but to agree with the mandatory fight.  Btw, while watching Thurman's fight against Manny Pacquiao and Porter, there are instances where I see Thurman paused during the fight, which might be one of the keys to victory for Spence.   Whenever Thurman is hit in the body, Thurman seems to feel it.  Just like in this part of the video where Thurman pauses almost got knockdown before Thurman back away  and even gets his mouthpiece out in order to breathe the pain out.

Wow! That replay says it all and I certainly believe that Spence's camp already saw this video because is very public and clearly shows his weaknesses, he certainly got the agility and stamina but his resistance is not that good. In that particular video, Manny Pacquiao could've had knocked him down when he ducked and paused, he is just too lucky because Pacquiao is not someone who will take advantage in times like that. But Spence on the other hand, we never know.

[Japinat]

Not surprising because many people believed that Thurman cannot make any difference at this point while Spence's still on his peak, I'm not saying that Thurman is already old because their gap is only a year, but people will still believe that he doesn't have that skillset to defeat the 3-belt champion and that excludes me because I believe that Thurman is not yet done.

I understand your point though because Thurman, even rested for almost 31 months, still showed dominance against Mario Barrios and the final score given is really that gap. Although Barrios can't be compared with Spence, that means that Thurman still has it.

However, Spence's previous winnings via Decision are all landslide wins and the scores tell it all. It means no one from those opponents gives Spence a hard time even coming from a deadly car crash. Can't choose between them but I just hope that Thurman can at least give Spence a tough and close fight.

Yes, he rested for more than 2 years, I even thought that he already gave his career up because he was not in the radar for such a long time with no rumors or everything about him. Just plain no sign of him, maybe he took that huge time to reflect what he could've done but anyway, the thing is that he's back now and already gave a message after he defeated Barrios impressively. Now, he will fight a champion again, let's just hope that Thurman can fulfill the hopes we gave him or at least put up a good fight for Spence.

And for betting, can't really decide whom I'll bet soon but I'm already expecting that Spence will be the favorite while Thurman is the underdog.

Yes but the spread might not be that far knowing that Thurman can upset Spence, still tough to decide since both fighters are still on their prime and the mission of keep winning is what they wanted to established, for Spence his no loss record is very important while for Thurman the belts that Spence is currently holding some of it should his if he only avoid that knock down from Pacquiao he can win that fight as he recover and almost take it from Pacquiao.

Interesting fight for boxing fans, both fighters can impress with solid combinations.

I don't have any doubts on that, I'm sure this will be an entertaining fight that I wouldn't want to miss. Hopefully this will be finalized as soon as possible because we already got robbed by a supposed-to-happen fight, I hope this will push through. Thurman has finally got his chance to redeem the glory back but it will be a tough fight because Spence won't be handing him the belt that easily, especially now that this is fight is a bit personal to Spence.

[Questat]

And for betting, can't really decide whom I'll bet soon but I'm already expecting that Spence will be the favorite while Thurman is the underdog.

That is the nearest and expected scenario, I won't be shocked either if Spence will be indeed listed as the favorite by the bookies as Spence's recent fight is impressive especially the last one when he destroyed Ugas's face even after the eye surgery he got. Though, I'm thinking that it will be just a slight favorite rather than to be listed as a heavy favorite because Thurman is also no ordinary boxer.

[mirakal]

And for betting, can't really decide whom I'll bet soon but I'm already expecting that Spence will be the favorite while Thurman is the underdog.

That is the nearest and expected scenario, I won't be shocked either if Spence will be indeed listed as the favorite by the bookies as Spence's recent fight is impressive especially the last one when he destroyed Ugas's face even after the eye surgery he got. Though, I'm thinking that it will be just a slight favorite rather than to be listed as a heavy favorite because Thurman is also no ordinary boxer.

There's no betting odds now but you are right, Spence might be a slight favorite only because Thurman is a good boxer too, even better than Ugas I believe. However, if Bookies will make Thurman and heavy underdog, for sure no one would complain as many will take advantage of the opportunity to bet on Thurman. I guess 3/1 odds for Thurman would make the bettors get tempted to bet on him.