Boxing: Errol Spence vs Keith Thurman

[freedomgo]

Manny does not feel 100% in that fight against Ugas because he can't move his foot, but of course, that's an excuse for those who does not believe in him. I believe Pacman's decision to retire is just right, though he still can fight but he is already old to fight against the young champions, he had already proven with Thurman but he wasn't dominating the fight unlike before.

He is not focusing on boxing nowadays. He is more in to politics and activism. At this point, we should respect his decision. He might have felt that it is not possible for him to do two things at once (boxing and politics). Manny Pacquiao for the presidential a few months back, but he was not very successful (election was eventually won by Bongbong Marcos with Sara Duterte as the VP candidate, while Pacquiao managed to get less than 7% of the vote). The next elections are scheduled for 2028, and I have a feeling that Pacquiao's chances maybe higher then.

Right now, Manny Pacquiao is diverting his focus once again in boxing because he doesn't have any position anymore in the government. Maybe soon he will run again but in a much lower office because if he will run again at the presidential race, I reckon that his chances might increase compared to what happened in the recent race but the outcome would be the same.
Anyway, back to Spence-Thurman fight. Is there some updates regarding this topic? I hope it will still materialize after what happened to Spence recently.

[Japinat]

Manny does not feel 100% in that fight against Ugas because he can't move his foot, but of course, that's an excuse for those who does not believe in him. I believe Pacman's decision to retire is just right, though he still can fight but he is already old to fight against the young champions, he had already proven with Thurman but he wasn't dominating the fight unlike before.

He is not focusing on boxing nowadays. He is more in to politics and activism. At this point, we should respect his decision. He might have felt that it is not possible for him to do two things at once (boxing and politics). Manny Pacquiao for the presidential a few months back, but he was not very successful (election was eventually won by Bongbong Marcos with Sara Duterte as the VP candidate, while Pacquiao managed to get less than 7% of the vote). The next elections are scheduled for 2028, and I have a feeling that Pacquiao's chances maybe higher then.

Right now, Manny Pacquiao is diverting his focus once again in boxing because he doesn't have any position anymore in the government. Maybe soon he will run again but in a much lower office because if he will run again at the presidential race, I reckon that his chances might increase compared to what happened in the recent race but the outcome would be the same.
Anyway, back to Spence-Thurman fight. Is there some updates regarding this topic? I hope it will still materialize after what happened to Spence recently.

Sadly, there's still no news regarding their fight next year and seriously, I don't even know if it's already inked or what because Spence's camp as well as Al Haymon are so silent about it and seems not interested to disclose some information. If we look some updates on the internet, the same articles will show up and if there is something new, it's also not relevant. Up to this date, there's no news and even the severity of Spence's legs aren't disclosed.

[mirakal]

Anyhow this is about Spence vs Thurman, and hopefully Spence will not hide on the excuse of his accident and will fight Thurman as his mandatory next year.

I hope so as that's the only way we will see a big fight next year involving Spence. The Spence vs Crawford is probably off already, so this is the only big fight that could bring excitement to us, and I'm pretty sure that Thurman will try to take the belt and be a champion again.

In my perspective, I think it's much better not to expect from this fight either because Errol Spence Jr. might use his situation as an excuse to get a free pass and we shouldn't also forget as well that Spence do still have some grudge against Keith Thurman because the current champion wasn't given a chance to have his shot at a title fight in the past years when Thurman was still a champion. I surely don't hope for that situation, but I don't see any reasons also to oppose it because their camp is so silent ever since the Crawford-Spence issue. All that talk that he is going after Crawford next now turns to dust. Just saying.

[Fredomago]

Sadly, there's still no news regarding their fight next year and seriously, I don't even know if it's already inked or what because Spence's camp as well as Al Haymon are so silent about it and seems not interested to disclose some information. If we look some updates on the internet, the same articles will show up and if there is something new, it's also not relevant. Up to this date, there's no news and even the severity of Spence's legs aren't disclosed.

Nothing indeed, there's no information if the fight will be push or when it will be scheduled, the accident of Spence is not that serious compared to the last one but it affects the possible schedule of this mandatory fight, Thurman needs to wait with how Spence camps will bring any information about the possibilities of negotiating on this matter.

Anyhow this is about Spence vs Thurman, and hopefully Spence will not hide on the excuse of his accident and will fight Thurman as his mandatory next year.

I hope so as that's the only way we will see a big fight next year involving Spence. The Spence vs Crawford is probably off already, so this is the only big fight that could bring excitement to us, and I'm pretty sure that Thurman will try to take the belt and be a champion again.

In my perspective, I think it's much better not to expect from this fight either because Errol Spence Jr. might use his situation as an excuse to get a free pass and we shouldn't also forget as well that Spence do still have some grudge against Keith Thurman because the current champion wasn't given a chance to have his shot at a title fight in the past years when Thurman was still a champion. I surely don't hope for that situation, but I don't see any reasons also to oppose it because their camp is so silent ever since the Crawford-Spence issue. All that talk that he is going after Crawford next now turns to dust. Just saying.

What we can do now is just to wait, since it was a mandatory fight then the organization can bring this one into reality, else, the belt will be available for Thurman, it's the schedule that fans and readers will be waiting after that said accident of Spence, but the fight might be push as the organization got the final say for this and not the camps that involves.

[Shamm]

Anyhow this is about Spence vs Thurman, and hopefully Spence will not hide on the excuse of his accident and will fight Thurman as his mandatory next year.

I hope so as that's the only way we will see a big fight next year involving Spence. The Spence vs Crawford is probably off already, so this is the only big fight that could bring excitement to us, and I'm pretty sure that Thurman will try to take the belt and be a champion again.

In my perspective, I think it's much better not to expect from this fight either because Errol Spence Jr. might use his situation as an excuse to get a free pass and we shouldn't also forget as well that Spence do still have some grudge against Keith Thurman because the current champion wasn't given a chance to have his shot at a title fight in the past years when Thurman was still a champion. I surely don't hope for that situation, but I don't see any reasons also to oppose it because their camp is so silent ever since the Crawford-Spence issue. All that talk that he is going after Crawford next now turns to dust. Just saying.

I don't think so if this fight will exactly will happen next year maybe spence have another excuses like what he did to Crawford. But if this fight happen then this is one of the big fight cause this two fighter has a good record Spence is undefeated with 28 win I losses and 22 via knockout while thurman 30 win 1 losses and 1 non contest .
So where expecting a very good and very interesting fight next year .

[TimeTeller]

Anyhow this is about Spence vs Thurman, and hopefully Spence will not hide on the excuse of his accident and will fight Thurman as his mandatory next year.

I hope so as that's the only way we will see a big fight next year involving Spence. The Spence vs Crawford is probably off already, so this is the only big fight that could bring excitement to us, and I'm pretty sure that Thurman will try to take the belt and be a champion again.

In my perspective, I think it's much better not to expect from this fight either because Errol Spence Jr. might use his situation as an excuse to get a free pass and we shouldn't also forget as well that Spence do still have some grudge against Keith Thurman because the current champion wasn't given a chance to have his shot at a title fight in the past years when Thurman was still a champion. I surely don't hope for that situation, but I don't see any reasons also to oppose it because their camp is so silent ever since the Crawford-Spence issue. All that talk that he is going after Crawford next now turns to dust. Just saying.

I don't think so if this fight will exactly will happen next year maybe spence have another excuses like what he did to Crawford. But if this fight happen then this is one of the big fight cause this two fighter has a good record Spence is undefeated with 28 win I losses and 22 via knockout while thurman 30 win 1 losses and 1 non contest .
So where expecting a very good and very interesting fight next year .

Seems that this match is far from happening at the moment.
The fight between Crawford and Spence Jr is the much requested of most boxing fans and yet, it will not happen so far.
We don't know their true reasons, but if they will see a ton of money as their purse, they may think about it.
Sometimes it depends on their respective handlers, not the boxer himself. The boxer wants to fight the big one, but his promoter has still some reservations.

[chaser15]

The fight between Crawford and Spence Jr is the much request of most boxing fans and yet, it will not happen so far.
We don't know their true reasons, but if they will see a ton of money as their purse, they may think about it.

That expected mega clash between Errol Spence and Terence Crawford is really far from happening. But the chances of Spence facing Thurman do have a chance to happen but things will be delayed because as I previously posted here, Spence got involved again in a car accident.

Spence mentioned that he might come back to ring between April and May but for who's the opponent, nothing is disclosed.

Maybe OP can consider locking this thread for now until a sign of agreement between Spence and Thurman will now starts cooking.

[Baofeng]

Anyhow this is about Spence vs Thurman, and hopefully Spence will not hide on the excuse of his accident and will fight Thurman as his mandatory next year.

I hope so as that's the only way we will see a big fight next year involving Spence. The Spence vs Crawford is probably off already, so this is the only big fight that could bring excitement to us, and I'm pretty sure that Thurman will try to take the belt and be a champion again.

In my perspective, I think it's much better not to expect from this fight either because Errol Spence Jr. might use his situation as an excuse to get a free pass and we shouldn't also forget as well that Spence do still have some grudge against Keith Thurman because the current champion wasn't given a chance to have his shot at a title fight in the past years when Thurman was still a champion. I surely don't hope for that situation, but I don't see any reasons also to oppose it because their camp is so silent ever since the Crawford-Spence issue. All that talk that he is going after Crawford next now turns to dust. Just saying.

Yeah, and not to make it worst on our part, so we should better not to expect something between the two in the future.

They seems to be just hard on their decision specially Spence that he don't know Crawford to cement his legacy. But as for fans, it's not how it works, the best of the best should fight and see who will be on the top.

For now, let's put it behind us, and hopefully the Spence vs Thurman will be on the table next quarter of the year.

[goinmerry]

Alright, anyone with a wild guess?

Who's the other fighter that has a chance to face Errol Spence next if Thurman won't be his next opponent?

I'm not talking about boxers that you preferred but those boxers who are already on Spence's list, if there are any, or currently in the rumor.

Not sure if only Thurman was being considered.

[LUCKMCFLY]

^^ Yes, even in the Pacquiao fight, his training or at least when he do the his drills, he is somewhat very slow and not that agile. Maybe that's how Thurman's training is, not focusing on the speed but power because he want's to try to knockout his opponent, and even before he was knock down or lost the fight to Manny, he is known to have that punching power.

So there's no difference it training at all for him, but I think he is more faster that Ugas that Spence recently beat. But has more power behind it. He had Manny in trouble in the later rounds, it's that his weakness was a body punch and when Manny hit him in the stomach, he somewhat wince, meaning he is affected.

I understand what you are saying, I know that some boxers focus on training to their highest potential, in this case it is as you say they want to focus on having more power from the punches, but there are many vulnerabilities when a boxer focuses only on one strategy, if he does not achieve to make a knockout you have to appeal to another plan, but what really fails here is that if you prepare only to knock out you have to get rid of the resistance and from the way you say it, I think neither the time nor the body will reach you You will be able to resist a training so focused on two things, you also have to do things with your diet, it is very different to train for both things, and come out well.

Of course that's what boxing is, to knock out someone or you yourself gets knock out. For me power is God given, you can just improved it, the way you throw, and other techniques that your trainers will teach you, but the power is always be there.

We haven't seen Thurman having weight problems making the 147 lbs limit so yeah, he is good at his diet or maybe someone is monitoring it for him, just like Spence. They know that this is important to they hire someone to help them maintain their weight within the limit and maybe diet a bit so that they will get everything in a balance.

Well, there is no doubt about that, you should have a doctor who is checking your weight every day, your muscle mass, everything that you do your exercises, especially your diet, which is something so important, there are many times that the meals do not give the same strength and they cannot eat more than that because that implies a possible lack of control and that is what should be avoided, for me that is something that has a lot to do with the way boxers take care of themselves, when a boxer He knows and knows his body very well. I think he can eat what he likes the most and not gain weight because he knows that what he has eaten must be burned so that it does not distort his diet and he does not put more work on the doctors.


In another order of ideas, Spence:

Spence: ‘I Got Helluh Options, I’ll Fight Whoever; Crawford Looked Good vs. Avanesyan, KO Was Nasty’

Fast forward to Dec. 16, when Spence was in Las Vegas to promote understudy Frank Martin’s bout against Michel Rivera, the WBC, WBA, and IBF welterweight champion Spence did a walk-and-talk interview with a group of media members. 

“I didn't get to see [the Crawford-Avanesyan fight] but I seen the highlights. He looked. Terence always looked good. [The knockout] was nasty,” said Spence. 

When Spence (28-0, 22 KOs) was further pressed around the subject of a Crawford fight finally happening in 2023, Spence was less definitive than he has been throughout the year to finally fight the Nebraskan native. 

“Next year, anything can happen. I don't know man, I'm not going to worry about it too much. If it happens, it happens. If it don't, it don't,” said Spence. 

“We'll see man, we'll see. The great thing is that I got helluh options. I never say I aint fight nobody. Sh!t -- I'll fight whoever.”

Source: https://www.boxingscene.com/spence-i-got-helluh-options-ill-fight-whoever-crawford-looked-good-vs-avanesyan-ko-nasty--171302

[Yaunfitda]

Alright, anyone with a wild guess?

Who's the other fighter that has a chance to face Errol Spence next if Thurman won't be his next opponent?

I'm not talking about boxers that you preferred but those boxers who are already on Spence's list, if there are any, or currently in the rumor.

Not sure if only Thurman was being considered.

Hard to see who is going to face Spence not name Thurman at this point. That is the only fight that make sense for Spence, unless he wants Ennis or Ortiz Jr. But it seems that he is avoiding this two for now. And if there are other name fighters that he will face, for sure he will be criticized not just because of them not wanting a Crawford fight, but instead fighting lesser opponent than what we expect of. So it should be Keith otherwise, it might not sell to the fans.

[Sithara007]

I don't know whether this fight will happen or not. Recently there was a spat between Terence Crawford and Keith Thurman, in which the former accused the latter of running away from the fights. Anyway, before this, Thurman had announced that his opponent would be either Spence or Crawford. Since the Thurman vs Crawford fight can be ruled out for now, the only possibility is for a Spence vs Thurman fight. Also, Crawford scored a victory over David Avanesyan a few days back and is even more confident. So Thurman has reasons to avoid Crawford. 

[Fredomago]

Alright, anyone with a wild guess?

Who's the other fighter that has a chance to face Errol Spence next if Thurman won't be his next opponent?

I'm not talking about boxers that you preferred but those boxers who are already on Spence's list, if there are any, or currently in the rumor.

Not sure if only Thurman was being considered.

Hard to see who is going to face Spence not name Thurman at this point. That is the only fight that make sense for Spence, unless he wants Ennis or Ortiz Jr. But it seems that he is avoiding this two for now. And if there are other name fighters that he will face, for sure he will be criticized not just because of them not wanting a Crawford fight, but instead fighting lesser opponent than what we expect of. So it should be Keith otherwise, it might not sell to the fans.

The case here is Thurman got his chance to face Spence because of the mandatory rule from the organization if Spence will not take the fight then WBC will give the belt to Thurman, not sure if Spence will allow it to happen and let the belt goes to Thurman without any attempt of defending the belt.

Whoever fighter he is planning to fight it will be announced in the coming days or months, let see what will be the turn off events next year.

[Shamm]

Alright, anyone with a wild guess?

Who's the other fighter that has a chance to face Errol Spence next if Thurman won't be his next opponent?

I'm not talking about boxers that you preferred but those boxers who are already on Spence's list, if there are any, or currently in the rumor.

Not sure if only Thurman was being considered.

Hard to see who is going to face Spence not name Thurman at this point. That is the only fight that make sense for Spence, unless he wants Ennis or Ortiz Jr. But it seems that he is avoiding this two for now. And if there are other name fighters that he will face, for sure he will be criticized not just because of them not wanting a Crawford fight, but instead fighting lesser opponent than what we expect of. So it should be Keith otherwise, it might not sell to the fans.

The case here is Thurman got his chance to face Spence because of the mandatory rule from the organization if Spence will not take the fight then WBC will give the belt to Thurman, not sure if Spence will allow it to happen and let the belt goes to Thurman without any attempt of defending the belt.

Whoever fighter he is planning to fight it will be announced in the coming days or months, let see what will be the turn off events next year.

The rules is rules but I think spence will do anything for the belt cause we all know that every boxer has an ego and spence is a champion not an ordinary because he is undefeated then for sure he won't let thurman get that WBC belt in easy way. and if I will in spence position then why not I will fight for that belt. But all the decision is in his team if they gonna fight thurman or not.

[goinmerry]

The rules is rules but I think spence will do anything for the belt cause we all know that every boxer has an ego and spence is a champion not an ordinary because he is undefeated then for sure he won't let thurman get that WBC belt in easy way. and if I will in spence position then why not I will fight for that belt. But all the decision is in his team if they gonna fight thurman or not.

If Spence will decide to move up weight at 154, there's no choice but to give up those belts and titles he currently holds.

Those vacant and available titles will now try to be achieved by those eligible top ranks boxers that will be approved by boxing councils.

But as far as Spence's recent comment is concerned, he might return to the ring in an actual fight in April or May but nothing was mentioned about moving u weight. Therefore, boxers like Thurman will really need to face Spece if they want to get a piece of his titles.

[inthelongrun]

I don't know whether this fight will happen or not. Recently there was a spat between Terence Crawford and Keith Thurman, in which the former accused the latter of running away from the fights. Anyway, before this, Thurman had announced that his opponent would be either Spence or Crawford. Since the Thurman vs Crawford fight can be ruled out for now, the only possibility is for a Spence vs Thurman fight. Also, Crawford scored a victory over David Avanesyan a few days back and is even more confident. So Thurman has reasons to avoid Crawford. 

Yes, I also think that this fight may not happen. I do not know if Crawford still has trust left in PBC after he wasted nearly a year just to make a unification fight with Spence. Making another deal might be difficult since Thurman is with PBC and Showtime too.

I saw a lot of social media posts showing pictures of both Crawford and Ennis. It seems like they were backed by PBC in order to mislead the public that Crawford vs Ennis is the fight that needs to happen. But in reality, Ennis should be the IBF mandatory of Spence. Hence, it should be Spence and not Crawford. And besides, Ennis is also with PBC which makes sense for Spence.

[mirakal]

Anyhow this is about Spence vs Thurman, and hopefully Spence will not hide on the excuse of his accident and will fight Thurman as his mandatory next year.

I hope so as that's the only way we will see a big fight next year involving Spence. The Spence vs Crawford is probably off already, so this is the only big fight that could bring excitement to us, and I'm pretty sure that Thurman will try to take the belt and be a champion again.

In my perspective, I think it's much better not to expect from this fight either because Errol Spence Jr. might use his situation as an excuse to get a free pass and we shouldn't also forget as well that Spence do still have some grudge against Keith Thurman because the current champion wasn't given a chance to have his shot at a title fight in the past years when Thurman was still a champion. I surely don't hope for that situation, but I don't see any reasons also to oppose it because their camp is so silent ever since the Crawford-Spence issue. All that talk that he is going after Crawford next now turns to dust. Just saying.

What we can do now is just to wait, since it was a mandatory fight then the organization can bring this one into reality, else, the belt will be available for Thurman, it's the schedule that fans and readers will be waiting after that said accident of Spence, but the fight might be push as the organization got the final say for this and not the camps that involves.

Well, I guess we don't have any other choice here other than waiting because their schedule is not yet posted plus, we have Spence's recent situation where his legs are affected. But I certainly do hope that he's not wasting anybody's time this time around and will not use his current situation as an excuse to delay the mandatory fight much longer than expected.

[Kemarit]

I don't know whether this fight will happen or not. Recently there was a spat between Terence Crawford and Keith Thurman, in which the former accused the latter of running away from the fights. Anyway, before this, Thurman had announced that his opponent would be either Spence or Crawford. Since the Thurman vs Crawford fight can be ruled out for now, the only possibility is for a Spence vs Thurman fight. Also, Crawford scored a victory over David Avanesyan a few days back and is even more confident. So Thurman has reasons to avoid Crawford. 

Yes, I also think that this fight may not happen. I do not know if Crawford still has trust left in PBC after he wasted nearly a year just to make a unification fight with Spence. Making another deal might be difficult since Thurman is with PBC and Showtime too.

I saw a lot of social media posts showing pictures of both Crawford and Ennis. It seems like they were backed by PBC in order to mislead the public that Crawford vs Ennis is the fight that needs to happen. But in reality, Ennis should be the IBF mandatory of Spence. Hence, it should be Spence and not Crawford. And besides, Ennis is also with PBC which makes sense for Spence.

Yes, 147 lbs is pretty much in the control of PBC right now, unfortunately, They have the 3 belt champion and then the upcoming fighter. Crawford is lead for nothing in the welterweight and might be fighting another B fighter in the level of Avenasyan next. And when we thought that him leaving Top Rank is going to be good for his career, it seems its is going on the opposite side since no one is going to negotiate for him under this powerful boxing promotions like Al Haymon's PBC.

[freedomgo]

Alright, anyone with a wild guess?

Who's the other fighter that has a chance to face Errol Spence next if Thurman won't be his next opponent?

I'm not talking about boxers that you preferred but those boxers who are already on Spence's list, if there are any, or currently in the rumor.

Not sure if only Thurman was being considered.

It's really hard to guess mate knowing that Errol Spence is probably fooling us around these days, I mean, he doesn't have any updates at all despite the fact that people and his fans are waiting for his side to confirm things about his upcoming fight with Thurman.

If Thurman won't get the chance to fight Spence next year, I don't know anymore because if he's also scared of Thurman then I don't expect that he will fight the likes of Ortiz Jr. and Boots Ennis who is next in rank. Climbing up? I don't think that's possible for now because he's too drawn with his belts.

[Botnake]

Alright, anyone with a wild guess?

Who's the other fighter that has a chance to face Errol Spence next if Thurman won't be his next opponent?

I'm not talking about boxers that you preferred but those boxers who are already on Spence's list, if there are any, or currently in the rumor.

Not sure if only Thurman was being considered.

It's really hard to guess mate knowing that Errol Spence is probably fooling us around these days, I mean, he doesn't have any updates at all despite the fact that people and his fans are waiting for his side to confirm things about his upcoming fight with Thurman.

If Thurman won't get the chance to fight Spence next year, I don't know anymore because if he's also scared of Thurman then I don't expect that he will fight the likes of Ortiz Jr. and Boots Ennis who is next in rank. Climbing up? I don't think that's possible for now because he's too drawn with his belts.

He has to comply as Thurman is his mandatory challenger, maybe no update for now but for sure next year we will already hear an update regarding this fight. Spence is the champion, the word afraid should not exist in his system, and that way, we will be able to see a very entertaining and unpredictable fight early next year.