Boxing: Errol Spence vs Keith Thurman

[cryptomaniac_xxx]

Hope that boxing fans will not support that fight lol.

Defending a 147lbs title in a 154lbs fight, there's even no need for an explanation on this on why it becomes a bullsh*t match.

A clear ducking to the supposed mandatory fight. Can't blame Spence's camp only as they are just being under but the whole WBC themselves are ruining the fun.

I am confused, much like everyone else here. Doesn't make any sense, right? How can a mandatory title defense for the welterweight (147 lb) division be moved to Lightweight (154 lb) category? WBC is setting up a bad precedent here. What will happen if the other boxers also demand the same? If these two want to move to 154 lb, then let them do that. But don't term the fight as a title defense. It would mean that Errol Spence Jr. is forfeiting his 147 lb title and moving on to another division, after refusing his mandatory defense. As simple as that. Here the WBC is creating an exception for a single boxer and it will backfire on them in the future.

Yes, probably they have set the precedence as well with this kind of decision. But I'm not surprised though with WBC and the whole Sulaiman corruption that has been going on with this body for more than a decade now.

Remember that they are the one who invented those so many belts and champions just to accommodate the promoters and the networks and of course there is money for them. And now they started this trend.

[LUCKMCFLY]

I'm pretty sure people will still watch the between Pacman and Spence or Crawford.

That's for sure that we fans will still watch any of those as long as Pacman is there. But we don't know if there's still the possibility that Pacman will have those matches professionally as he has given the hint that he's going for the exhibition matches and after signing with Rizin, I don't think that we'll see any of those in the near future. And who was it again that Pacman is going to have a match in Dubai this upcoming month? I'm quick in forgetting things these days, is it another exhibition?

I think that any fight that occurs between Pacquiao and another boxer will be very relevant, we can say that yes, he signed with Rizin, but in an eventual fight that he could have with another very good boxer, I think that Pacquiao will not care if he signed or No, I don't think that non-disclosure agreements are or will be counted by Pacman, because I would really like to see the fight between Pacquiao and Mayweather, it will be something unique, but a fight like this must win or Pacquiao should win because the demonstration of the fight that It was very serious, what we can say about Pacquiao is that we must take advantage of every fight that takes place with him.

Interesting:

Stephen Espinoza explains why Spence vs. Crawford failed to happen

By Chris Williams: Showtime president Stephen Espinoza has revealed that a combination of Terence Crawford’s stubbornness, insistence on getting transparency for expenses, and the slowness of his responses to the deal points ultimately sunk the negotiations for the Errol Spence Jr fight. Espinoza says if talks do restart for the Spence-Crawford clash later this year, there are going to need to be some changes made on Crawford’s part for the fight to have a chance of happening.

Source: Stephen Espinoza Explains Why Spence Vs. Crawford Failed To Happen - Boxing News 24 (https://www.boxingnews24.com/2023/01/stephen-espinoza-explain-why-spence-vs-crawford-failed-to-happen/)

Source: https://www.boxingnews24.com/2023/01/stephen-espinoza-explain-why-spence-vs-crawford-failed-to-happen/

[freedomgo]

Or probably this is another classic example of how corrupt WBC. And I will admit that we love boxing, but sometimes this is the main reason why it is becoming trash, with all the politics and so we haven't see the fight that we want.

Hope that boxing fans will not support that fight lol.

Defending a 147lbs title in a 154lbs fight, there's even no need for an explanation on this on why it becomes a bullsh*t match.

A clear ducking to the supposed mandatory fight. Can't blame Spence's camp only as they are just being under but the whole WBC themselves are ruining the fun.

There's a good chance that this fight will be boycotted by many because Al Haymon and WBC connived without considering to get things discreet, it's like they are saying to us face-to-face that we can't do anything about it because of their influence in the industry and that they are the only ones who has control over things, and what could've happen.

I wonder if Spence really likes this because I know his goal is just to make himself pretty at the paper but things are getting ugly already and he's getting dragged.

[LUCKMCFLY]

We just don't know who's afraid, is it the boxer or the promoter.

Legacy can still be built even under a promoter. Look at where Pacquiao ended up.

However, there are boxers that like a pure legacy and the best example of that is, Terence Crawford. But look at what happened, they are having a hard time dealing with big names since he left Arum's background.

Spence Jr. on the other hand is more on building a business but still cares for legacy. They can settle a fight against big names but only if the price is right in favor of them. Not just being disclosed to the public but I think the slice of the pie has something to why their supposed fight with Crawford is not being materialized.

Then why did Pacquiao left Bob Arum and build MP Promotions afterwards if Pacquiao can really build the legacy he's after?

I think Pacquiao had established his career when he left Arum, it is also possible that Arum hinders Manny on who he wanted to fight since we all know, promoter does control the opponent of a boxer.

Also, Terence Crawford really wasted his years under Bob Arum because I reckon that he could've got 1 more belt under him if he climb to another promotional company.

Sadly a boxer cannot do anything until their contract with the promoter expires.  I think it is too frustrating to a boxer when the promoter don't make a deal with the opponent the boxer is rooting for.

Now, it's too late because the 3 other belts are in Spence's possession and their camp doesn't want to give Crawford a chance. Let's just stop about that cut issues because we all know that it wasn't really the case because Crawford will still accept as low as 30% cut just to materialize the fight, but what happened is that they let Crawford wasted almost a year of waiting and gave some hopes that a fight will really happen.

It is not too late I think, if someone gets the three-belt from Spencer then Crawford can challenge that boxer.

Right! Pacquiao indeed already established his name in the industry before he left Bob Arum but I guess that's not enough because a superstar like Manny Pacquiao won't be leaving such promotional company if he's being handled well and gave what he wanted sometimes. We know that the promoter will always take an easy journey or will take a fight that his boxer got more chances because it's business after all and a defeat will decrease the boxer's value, although, there are some things that a boxer wanted and they wanted their voices to be heard.

It is not too late I think, if someone gets the three-belt from Spencer then Crawford can challenge that boxer.

Well, you got a point. It's really not that too late because Keith Thurman or Boots Ennis will likely have those belts in the future but the question is, will Thurman face them? We aren't that certain because their camp is so silent and doesn't really wanted to disclose some information related to the fight.

Regarding the great legend Pacquiao, there is no doubt, I think that Pacquiao can do what he wants and desires right now, if he already has a good promoter for his exhibition fights, he is welcome as long as he knows what he is going to contribute, because Be it his pocket and also for him to remain active, of course nothing like he could really fight again professionally, however I like how he does it and continues to do so.

The Crawford thing is a matter of time, he is a boxer who has known how to be patient, I don't think he will despair, Spence has to do something, I already believe that the enthusiasm of this meeting has diminished thanks to his negativity.

Or probably this is another classic example of how corrupt WBC. And I will admit that we love boxing, but sometimes this is the main reason why it is becoming trash, with all the politics and so we haven't see the fight that we want.

Hope that boxing fans will not support that fight lol.

Defending a 147lbs title in a 154lbs fight, there's even no need for an explanation on this on why it becomes a bullsh*t match.

A clear ducking to the supposed mandatory fight. Can't blame Spence's camp only as they are just being under but the whole WBC themselves are ruining the fun.

There's a good chance that this fight will be boycotted by many because Al Haymon and WBC connived without considering to get things discreet, it's like they are saying to us face-to-face that we can't do anything about it because of their influence in the industry and that they are the only ones who has control over things, and what could've happen.

I wonder if Spence really likes this because I know his goal is just to make himself pretty at the paper but things are getting ugly already and he's getting dragged.

I think that whatever Spence does here is something that suits him, everyone is aware of what is about to happen, if it doesn't happen or if it does, this is something that suits the boxer, on the one hand if the fight happens he will fight and I think he will most likely win, everything points to Spence as the winner, the Thurman thing is something that can happen if it has a good effect on his career, right now if Thurman manages to win he will put himself in the The tallest of the most sought-after boxers to find opponents for him, I think that he would even awaken Crawford's interest and that way he could turn around what it is to fight with him.

[mirakal]

The Crawford thing is a matter of time, he is a boxer who has known how to be patient, I don't think he will despair, Spence has to do something, I already believe that the enthusiasm of this meeting has diminished thanks to his negativity.

Might be best for now to forget about the Crawford-Spence fight because the chances of happening the said bout is getting slimmer and slimmer as months and days goes by. Spence and Al Haymon is getting very unpredictable these days, all silent about their move and stuff and boom, the whole world is suddenly surprised because they made another circus in the industry with of course the blessing of the corrupt governing bodies.

[chaser15]

If this fight will be at 154 lbs then it's clear that Spence vs Crawford won't happen now not unless the latter will also move up.

The fight was one of the weirdest matches I have seen. Why not just Spence moved up in the usual way and vacate his 147 lbs belts?

How did it become possible to fight at 154 lbs when the title at stake was meant for 147 lbs? There's a current champion at 154 lbs so how this fight between Spence and Thurman will turned out? After the fight, like it will still consider as 147 lbs fight lol.

WBC is making things confusing and a bit technical. Why this fight should be that way when there's a normal process? They are crazy.

[freedomgo]

If this fight will be at 154 lbs then it's clear that Spence vs Crawford won't happen now not unless the latter will also move up.

The fight was one of the weirdest matches I have seen. Why not just Spence moved up in the usual way and vacate his 147 lbs belts?

How did it become possible to fight at 154 lbs when the title at stake was meant for 147 lbs? There's a current champion at 154 lbs so how this fight between Spence and Thurman will turned out? After the fight, like it will still consider as 147 lbs fight lol.

WBC is making things confusing and a bit technical. Why this fight should be that way when there's a normal process? They are crazy.

There's no opportunity for Crawford even if he will follow Spence or Charlo at 154 lbs because in the end, the same thing will happen, he will get toyed with Al Haymon and eventually, would waste another year that could be more fruitful. Crawford just need to be patient about his situation because eventually, Spence will vacate all the titles because I don't think the latter can always bring his belts with him at 154 as there's already an existing champion at the said weight class.

[harizen]

How did it become possible to fight at 154 lbs when the title at stake was meant for 147 lbs? There's a current champion at 154 lbs so how this fight between Spence and Thurman will turned out? After the fight, like it will still consider as 147 lbs fight lol.

It become possible because WBC forced it to make it possible.

Technically, the winner of this fight will hold a Welterweight Titles (147 lbs). It's just that both boxers compete for it at 154 lbs.

On the other hand, another big boxing organization WBA, in which Spence also holds its welterweight title, asked Spence to close a deal with Crawford within 60 days after the Keith Thurman fight.

Because of that, there's still a chance that Spence and Crawford will meet this year but the question is, will Spence fight Crawford at 147 lbs.

[Pamadar]

The Crawford thing is a matter of time, he is a boxer who has known how to be patient, I don't think he will despair, Spence has to do something, I already believe that the enthusiasm of this meeting has diminished thanks to his negativity.

Might be best for now to forget about the Crawford-Spence fight because the chances of happening the said bout is getting slimmer and slimmer as months and days goes by. Spence and Al Haymon is getting very unpredictable these days, all silent about their move and stuff and boom, the whole world is suddenly surprised because they made another circus in the industry with of course the blessing of the corrupt governing bodies.

it will happen once they made it happen, so for now we should be focusing to upcoming fight and forget about another possible fight to come. The negotiation will take place if they are interested and willing to bring the fight inside the ring.

I see exactly what you are pointing, the corrupt people inside the organization are always
involve on how promoters are able to avoid big fights without the blessing of those people
behind doesn't have any option but to comply with the rules.

[goinmerry]

Might be best for now to forget about the Crawford-Spence fight because the chances of happening the said bout is getting slimmer and slimmer as months and days goes by. Spence and Al Haymon is getting very unpredictable these days, all silent about their move and stuff and boom, the whole world is suddenly surprised because they made another circus in the industry with of course the blessing of the corrupt governing bodies.

When the first negotiation failed last year between Spence and Crawford's camp, should be right at that time when boxing fans should now forget it. The negotiation that happened last year was almost a done deal and the majority is now expecting an official announcement but at the last minute, it was announced failed instead due to some reason that is not being disclosed to the public.

Let's accept the fact now that Spence won't meet Crawford because there are lots of obstacles that are ruining the plan. Crawford just needs to move forward and win his future fights but since being not under any big promoters, he will likely just face a cherry-picked opponent as it's tough for his camp to secure a big fight without the involvement of a big promoter and that's the reality in boxing nowadays.

[AmoreJaz]

Might be best for now to forget about the Crawford-Spence fight because the chances of happening the said bout is getting slimmer and slimmer as months and days goes by. Spence and Al Haymon is getting very unpredictable these days, all silent about their move and stuff and boom, the whole world is suddenly surprised because they made another circus in the industry with of course the blessing of the corrupt governing bodies.

When the first negotiation failed last year between Spence and Crawford's camp, should be right at that time when boxing fans should now forget it. The negotiation that happened last year was almost a done deal and the majority is now expecting an official announcement but at the last minute, it was announced failed instead due to some reason that is not being disclosed to the public.

Let's accept the fact now that Spence won't meet Crawford because there are lots of obstacles that are ruining the plan. Crawford just needs to move forward and win his future fights but since being not under any big promoters, he will likely just face a cherry-picked opponent as it's tough for his camp to secure a big fight without the involvement of a big promoter and that's the reality in boxing nowadays.

maybe both camps did not agree with the purse split. but in any case, we already moved on from this possible fight as each of them have already gone their separate ways. i think this will be another repeat of mayweather-pacquiao history. their respective promoters will make a deal once their respective boxers are already past their prime.

[Kemarit]

If this fight will be at 154 lbs then it's clear that Spence vs Crawford won't happen now not unless the latter will also move up.

The fight was one of the weirdest matches I have seen. Why not just Spence moved up in the usual way and vacate his 147 lbs belts?

How did it become possible to fight at 154 lbs when the title at stake was meant for 147 lbs? There's a current champion at 154 lbs so how this fight between Spence and Thurman will turned out? After the fight, like it will still consider as 147 lbs fight lol.

WBC is making things confusing and a bit technical. Why this fight should be that way when there's a normal process? They are crazy.

There's no opportunity for Crawford even if he will follow Spence or Charlo at 154 lbs because in the end, the same thing will happen, he will get toyed with Al Haymon and eventually, would waste another year that could be more fruitful. Crawford just need to be patient about his situation because eventually, Spence will vacate all the titles because I don't think the latter can always bring his belts with him at 154 as there's already an existing champion at the said weight class.

Yes, and if I'm not mistaken, Charlo is also with PBC stable, so he is under Al Haymon so Crawford can't just chase him as well to get a 154 lbs belt if he decided to move up.

Charlo is the undisputed champion in 154, unless he loses to Tim in their fight, Crawford will not have a crack at him because of the previous issues with Al Haymon and how he put PBC at a bad light (perhaps he is just telling the truth). So in any case 147 or 154, Crawford is in a the bad state, as he might not have chance to win another belt without going to Al Haymon again and negotiate and get the short end of the stick.

[Botnake]

Might be best for now to forget about the Crawford-Spence fight because the chances of happening the said bout is getting slimmer and slimmer as months and days goes by. Spence and Al Haymon is getting very unpredictable these days, all silent about their move and stuff and boom, the whole world is suddenly surprised because they made another circus in the industry with of course the blessing of the corrupt governing bodies.

When the first negotiation failed last year between Spence and Crawford's camp, should be right at that time when boxing fans should now forget it. The negotiation that happened last year was almost a done deal and the majority is now expecting an official announcement but at the last minute, it was announced failed instead due to some reason that is not being disclosed to the public.

Let's accept the fact now that Spence won't meet Crawford because there are lots of obstacles that are ruining the plan. Crawford just needs to move forward and win his future fights but since being not under any big promoters, he will likely just face a cherry-picked opponent as it's tough for his camp to secure a big fight without the involvement of a big promoter and that's the reality in boxing nowadays.

maybe both camps did not agree with the purse split. but in any case, we already moved on from this possible fight as each of them have already gone their separate ways. i think this will be another repeat of mayweather-pacquiao history. their respective promoters will make a deal once their respective boxers are already past their prime.

I certainly think that it wasn't a purse split issue because Terence Crawford himself revealed it in the interview last year that he also insisted that he is ready to accept 30% of the purse split just to make the fight happen and then weeks of going back and forth with the impression of the fight might happen at last, but in the end, he was just wasting some of his precious time because Al Haymon doesn't want a unification fight. Reasons are not disclosed as well but it's clear that they are afraid to risk Spence's title and value. So now, yes, time to forget about it.

[harizen]

i think this will be another repeat of mayweather-pacquiao history. their respective promoters will make a deal once their respective boxers are already past their prime.

The problem is, Terence Crawford doesn't have a well-strong established, and influenced promoter that is one of the keys to unlocking that possible clash with Spence Jr. Since no promoter, might be tough for Crawford's camp to negotiate about purse split even accepting up to 30% share. Since Spence Jr. is handled by a big and well-known promoter, they will do everything to make sure that all terms will be in favor of them since Spence Jr. is also considered the PPV King. Business as usual.

If the negotiation is between big promoters, let's say Top Rank and PBC, that fight might happen. But the worst is, when Top Rank during the time they handle Crawford, Arum has lots of sh*t of reasons why he didn't able to grant Crawford his much-awaited big title fight that result in the latter leaving under his shadow.

[goinmerry]

I certainly think that it wasn't a purse split issue because Terence Crawford himself revealed it in the interview last year that he also insisted that he is ready to accept 30% of the purse split just to make the fight happen and then weeks of going back and forth with the impression of the fight might happen at last, but in the end, he was just wasting some of his precious time because Al Haymon doesn't want a unification fight. Reasons are not disclosed as well but it's clear that they are afraid to risk Spence's title and value. So now, yes, time to forget about it.

We can consider purse split as one of the reasons but not a big reason why the fight failed.

From what I remember, Crawford accused the Spence camp of not being fully transparent on some parts of the contract terms.

Since then, no more news about the specific reasons why the fight failed so much better if everyone should move on from it now.

[Japinat]

I certainly think that it wasn't a purse split issue because Terence Crawford himself revealed it in the interview last year that he also insisted that he is ready to accept 30% of the purse split just to make the fight happen and then weeks of going back and forth with the impression of the fight might happen at last, but in the end, he was just wasting some of his precious time because Al Haymon doesn't want a unification fight. Reasons are not disclosed as well but it's clear that they are afraid to risk Spence's title and value. So now, yes, time to forget about it.

We can consider purse split as one of the reasons but not a big reason why the fight failed.

From what I remember, Crawford accused the Spence camp of not being fully transparent on some parts of the contract terms.

Since then, no more news about the specific reasons why the fight failed so much better if everyone should move on from it now.

Purse split is really not the problem here as Crawford was already willing to accept as low as 30% just to make the deal much easier, but then Al Haymon found another way to get Crawford react about the deal and that is not giving him the transparency, that way Crawford will think that he will not be getting the full 30% because Spence and Al won't let him.

And let's say that Crawford is still with Bob Arum, I bet the latter won't accept the 30% because they have a reputation to uphold and the share is not that reasonable as well even if Spence got the A-side and is labeled as the PPV King. In the end, discussions will end without getting some contract inked.

[Jating]

I certainly think that it wasn't a purse split issue because Terence Crawford himself revealed it in the interview last year that he also insisted that he is ready to accept 30% of the purse split just to make the fight happen and then weeks of going back and forth with the impression of the fight might happen at last, but in the end, he was just wasting some of his precious time because Al Haymon doesn't want a unification fight. Reasons are not disclosed as well but it's clear that they are afraid to risk Spence's title and value. So now, yes, time to forget about it.

We can consider purse split as one of the reasons but not a big reason why the fight failed.

From what I remember, Crawford accused the Spence camp of not being fully transparent on some parts of the contract terms.

Since then, no more news about the specific reasons why the fight failed so much better if everyone should move on from it now.

Purse split is really not the problem here as Crawford was already willing to accept as low as 30% just to make the deal much easier, but then Al Haymon found another way to get Crawford react about the deal and that is not giving him the transparency, that way Crawford will think that he will not be getting the full 30% because Spence and Al won't let him.

And let's say that Crawford is still with Bob Arum, I bet the latter won't accept the 30% because they have a reputation to uphold and the share is not that reasonable as well even if Spence got the A-side and is labeled as the PPV King. In the end, discussions will end without getting some contract inked.

Yeah but probably with Arum they can make their some concessions about the split and maybe the PPV so at least still get more of than 30% if that is the purse split. But since he has left Arum, he doesn't have anyone more experience in dealing with this kind of complication deal specially with the likes of Al Haymon who is very tricky as times.

Maybe Arum is now shrugging his shoulders once he hear that the fight didn't went on as expected and it could have been different if he is still managing Crawford, just saying.

As for this fight, it's done deal already, hopefully we can see a good fight or even upset win from Thurman, who knows.

[Russlenat]

As for this fight, it's done deal already, hopefully we can see a good fight or even upset win from Thurman, who knows.

It's not impossible to happen, Spence has not fought a boxer like Thurman, and although he had one lose he was never been dominated by his opponent in the ring, his loss to Manny Pacquiao was a close one, so I will not count Thurman out, I mean he still has something to prove and he can definitely upset Spence who is the heavy favorite.

This fight, it gives us real entertainment as Spence will surely be busy protecting himself and looking for the perfect timing to hurt Thurman.
I'm just a little worried about Thurman's weak spot, his body.

[Vaculin]

As for this fight, it's done deal already, hopefully we can see a good fight or even upset win from Thurman, who knows.

It's not impossible to happen, Spence has not fought a boxer like Thurman, and although he had one lose he was never been dominated by his opponent in the ring, his loss to Manny Pacquiao was a close one, so I will not count Thurman out, I mean he still has something to prove and he can definitely upset Spence who is the heavy favorite.

This fight, it gives us real entertainment as Spence will surely be busy protecting himself and looking for the perfect timing to hurt Thurman.
I'm just a little worried about Thurman's weak spot, his body.

If it wasn't for Pacquiao's early knockdown, the fight could've been owned by Keith because the judge's score wasn't that huge in gap but unfortunately that wasn't the case as he was surprised by the Philippine legend. So anyway, that's more than enough evidence to believe that Keith truly stand a chance against Spence and that he might be the one who will surprise us this time.

[LUCKMCFLY]

As for this fight, it's done deal already, hopefully we can see a good fight or even upset win from Thurman, who knows.

It's not impossible to happen, Spence has not fought a boxer like Thurman, and although he had one lose he was never been dominated by his opponent in the ring, his loss to Manny Pacquiao was a close one, so I will not count Thurman out, I mean he still has something to prove and he can definitely upset Spence who is the heavy favorite.

This fight, it gives us real entertainment as Spence will surely be busy protecting himself and looking for the perfect timing to hurt Thurman.
I'm just a little worried about Thurman's weak spot, his body.

If it wasn't for Pacquiao's early knockdown, the fight could've been owned by Keith because the judge's score wasn't that huge in gap but unfortunately that wasn't the case as he was surprised by the Philippine legend. So anyway, that's more than enough evidence to believe that Keith truly stand a chance against Spence and that he might be the one who will surprise us this time.

Well I can't deny that I would like Thurman to be able to give a big surprise, I know something I would really like, honestly the one who has the advantage here is Spence, and of course they also have a lot to lose if they lose against Thurman, so they don't I think it will only leave him so easy, however Spence is one of those boxers who will not leave anything in the air or leave eggs, he will start with everything from the beginning, I think that because of his style he will seek to make a knockout I don't know what a hunch tells me, that way they will finish sealing their supremacy (if they succeed) otherwise, I think they will be able to put on a good show.