who Want To Bet On 2024 USA elections?

[slapper]

That would likely happen as people will compare how they are in the time of Trump vs the time they are in Biden.  Surely they can tell the difference since Trump had not made the prices of stuff go up the roof. More crises got worse in Biden's time making the voters hate. And this hate means no vote for him.

Desantis seem no match in terms of popularity.
Luckily Biden seems to be useful for both parties and not yet thrown him under the bus unlike Andrew Cuomo who could have been a better presidentiable but in a snap, all his dreams crumbled.

Economy was in much better state when Trump was the president. Inflation was under control, gas prices were affordable and jobs were being created. The only reason why Trump lost 2020 POTUS was due to his improper handling of the COVID19 crisis. Media used it against him, and that swung a lot of votes against him. The first thing Biden did when he became the president was to cancel one of the major oil pipeline projects and to impose more regulations on American shale oil producers. And quite predictably, the inflation rate shot up as a result of that.

Well, well, well, if it isn't the age-old "the grass was greener on the other side", isn't it? Sure, the Trump show was a rollercoaster ride with its ups - won't argue that. But, hey, remember who was holding the steering wheel when COVID-19 reared its ugly head? That's not just a fly in the ointment; that's a whole swarm, wouldn't you say?

And while we're hashing it out over Biden, sure, the dude doesn't have a magical cure-all tucked up his sleeve. But let's cut him some slack; he's grappling with a pandemic that's about as welcome as a skunk at a garden party. The poor guy walked into the White House like he was disarming a ticking bomb.

Now, about the pipeline drama, yeah, it axed jobs and potentially sent gas prices skyrocketing. But, what about Mother Earth's SOS? Climate change isn't some fairy tale with a happily ever after. So, before we point the finger at Biden for the price hikes, let's also spare a thought for the bigger, badder global crisis knocking on our doors.

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That would likely happen as people will compare how they are in the time of Trump vs the time they are in Biden.  Surely they can tell the difference since Trump had not made the prices of stuff go up the roof. More crises got worse in Biden's time making the voters hate. And this hate means no vote for him.

Desantis seem no match in terms of popularity.
Luckily Biden seems to be useful for both parties and not yet thrown him under the bus unlike Andrew Cuomo who could have been a better presidentiable but in a snap, all his dreams crumbled.

Economy was in much better state when Trump was the president. Inflation was under control, gas prices were affordable and jobs were being created. The only reason why Trump lost 2020 POTUS was due to his improper handling of the COVID19 crisis. Media used it against him, and that swung a lot of votes against him. The first thing Biden did when he became the president was to cancel one of the major oil pipeline projects and to impose more regulations on American shale oil producers. And quite predictably, the inflation rate shot up as a result of that.

Well, well, well, if it isn't the age-old "the grass was greener on the other side", isn't it? Sure, the Trump show was a rollercoaster ride with its ups - won't argue that. But, hey, remember who was holding the steering wheel when COVID-19 reared its ugly head? That's not just a fly in the ointment; that's a whole swarm, wouldn't you say?

And while we're hashing it out over Biden, sure, the dude doesn't have a magical cure-all tucked up his sleeve. But let's cut him some slack; he's grappling with a pandemic that's about as welcome as a skunk at a garden party. The poor guy walked into the White House like he was disarming a ticking bomb.

Now, about the pipeline drama, yeah, it axed jobs and potentially sent gas prices skyrocketing. But, what about Mother Earth's SOS? Climate change isn't some fairy tale with a happily ever after. So, before we point the finger at Biden for the price hikes, let's also spare a thought for the bigger, badder global crisis knocking on our doors.

Not everyone will consider it when it all resulted in them experiencing all the troubles of living paycheck to paycheck. They wouldn't care about Climate change, we have been battling that one since the 80s but nothing has changed. All the producing countries did is move their factories to China making them richer and then blame them for haze and worsening climate.

The presidentiables I think will change somehow there are new candidates that might come out to take it away from Trump and Biden though.
RFK Jr seems to be showing more interest.

[Betwrong]

~ The presidentiables I think will change somehow there are new candidates that might come out to take it away from Trump and Biden though.
RFK Jr seems to be showing more interest.

Idk, does he have a chance? He has pretty good outcome odds currently, around 17.00, but I can't imagine he gets elected unless Biden and Trump disappear somehow. I'm not living in the US myself, so I have no idea how popular is Kennedy there for real, but from Youtube videos and some movies I have an impression that people don't the whole family much, and him in particular. Am I wrong?

[beerlover]

This happened because of the declining economic turmoil and some financial inflation in each country, causing an interconnected economy in each country.
Whoever will become the next president, maybe you don't mind it, but the hope is that the president will be able to fix all the problems that occur, including the declining economy and finances.
But if you look at it from a more real point of view, Trump is the only one with the potential to win the election.

A president is indeed very influential and can control many external things in a country, that's why every citizen must be able to choose a candidate leader who can really work well.

I think whoever wins, and I do not mean just Trump or Biden, but I mean more like ANYONE who wins, will not be able to solve it because it is not easy to solve. If you printed money that means inflation, if you increase rates to drop inflation that means bankruptcy, if you cover that then it means money gone out of tax payers, if you do that then debt goes up, which results with not much money to government workers, which means overall recession since market lacks money, if you reverse that then it's inflation again.

As you can see it has been constantly the same cycle over and over again. It will get better with time, that's the only thing, people will adjust everything, market will adjust itself, and that requires time, government can stop doing anything, we just need time.

[nullama]

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I think whoever wins, and I do not mean just Trump or Biden, but I mean more like ANYONE who wins, will not be able to solve it because it is not easy to solve. If you printed money that means inflation, if you increase rates to drop inflation that means bankruptcy, if you cover that then it means money gone out of tax payers, if you do that then debt goes up, which results with not much money to government workers, which means overall recession since market lacks money, if you reverse that then it's inflation again.

As you can see it has been constantly the same cycle over and over again. It will get better with time, that's the only thing, people will adjust everything, market will adjust itself, and that requires time, government can stop doing anything, we just need time.

Yeah, absolutely.

And the thing is that I don't think they actually want to solve these things as these problems are there by design.

The way money works today allows people in power to continue having more and more money, with the general population working as basically slaves for the rich.

[FanEagle]

Not everyone will consider it when it all resulted in them experiencing all the troubles of living paycheck to paycheck. They wouldn't care about Climate change, we have been battling that one since the 80s but nothing has changed. All the producing countries did is move their factories to China making them richer and then blame them for haze and worsening climate.

The presidentiables I think will change somehow there are new candidates that might come out to take it away from Trump and Biden though.
RFK Jr seems to be showing more interest.

I think "some" has changed, I mean we are getting a ton more of our energy from renewable energy these days, which is better. Many think that we need to stop with oil in a single day instantly and not have any pollution. That would be lovely, why would we not want that too, I mean climate change or not, if there is a method where we can stop polluting the world, we should do that and it would be great.

However, that's not an instantly thing, it is a thing that may take some time and we can just do that. I know some people rush it, but the worst case scenario would be world heating up and boiling and most places being under water, by all means that seems like world fixing its own situation and if we survive that's great, if we don't then we were the ones who did it anyway so we pay the price, it all works out.

[Sithara007]

~ The presidentiables I think will change somehow there are new candidates that might come out to take it away from Trump and Biden though.
RFK Jr seems to be showing more interest.

Idk, does he have a chance? He has pretty good outcome odds currently, around 17.00, but I can't imagine he gets elected unless Biden and Trump disappear somehow. I'm not living in the US myself, so I have no idea how popular is Kennedy there for real, but from Youtube videos and some movies I have an impression that people don't the whole family much, and him in particular. Am I wrong?

He is polling somewhere between 15% to 20% at this point, and he is miles behind where Bernie Sanders was at this stage back in 2016. He is an anti-establishment candidate. Such a candidate has an outside chance of winning the GOP nomination (similar to what happened back in 2016), but within the Democrat party his chances are near zero. He can try running as an independent, but that will harm the GOP more than it would harm the Democrats. That said, he is making a lot of noise in the social media (especially in Twitter).

[EarnOnVictor]

~ The presidentiables I think will change somehow there are new candidates that might come out to take it away from Trump and Biden though.
RFK Jr seems to be showing more interest.

Idk, does he have a chance? He has pretty good outcome odds currently, around 17.00, but I can't imagine he gets elected unless Biden and Trump disappear somehow. I'm not living in the US myself, so I have no idea how popular is Kennedy there for real, but from Youtube videos and some movies I have an impression that people don't the whole family much, and him in particular. Am I wrong?

He is polling somewhere between 15% to 20% at this point, and he is miles behind where Bernie Sanders was at this stage back in 2016. He is an anti-establishment candidate. Such a candidate has an outside chance of winning the GOP nomination (similar to what happened back in 2016), but within the Democrat party his chances are near zero. He can try running as an independent, but that will harm the GOP more than it would harm the Democrats. That said, he is making a lot of noise in the social media (especially in Twitter).

I'm 100% with you on this, it's just as if you wrote my mind down. Robert Kennedy Jr is just a noise maker, if one would not forget, he has been there without being noticed the whole time, even when Joe Biden has been holding one office and the other and Hillary Clinton was given the ticket years back. What he could do to be noticed is what he's actually doing now, this is politics, he's investing with his voice and actions.

One thing about politics is that you start creating awareness now, but not for the immediate but for the future. Of course, Joe Biden would leave after doing the maximum of 8 years, after which am sure that this guy might be one of those that would be considered. Thanks to his noise now, but placing him above the incumbent president will only be in his wildest dreams.

[LUCKMCFLY]

In fact, things are like that, because I don't see that things are Going to prosper with the former lawyer either, more so now that they want to tarnish the career of a person who is quite Relevant in the world, for me personally I see Ttump as the strongest candidate of all, I don't know if Biden wants to run for re-election, or if someone else comes out, but for me the one who can do things better will be Trump, I would like to see if he can fix the conflict between Ukraine and Russia, although this is going to change many things at an economic level, but at the point of economic recession Trump will catch it very badly, but the advantage is that he has too high a financial education,he will be able to find solutions.

Biden has already announced his candidacy, so things are clear from his side. And for Trump, it is almost certain that he will be the nominee from the Republican side, unless the Biden administration does something stupid and disqualify him from running. That can backfire on them, as Trump supporters will get energized and will vote for anyone whom he proposes. Ideally the US needs some fresh face to run the country from 2024 onwards. And it looks as if they are not going to get it. The choice is, once again between Donald Trump and Joe Biden.

Yes, in fact Yesterday on the news I couldn't really hear what they were saying on TV, but they said that Trump was guilty of having Sexually Assaulted a woman years ago, but I think that the politicians in the USA have a war against him , things can be seen that way, but I think that if Trump wins , things will change a lot in his favor, and he will persecute those who wanted to see him fall, while more things are mentioned to Trump to Disqualify him Politically, I think he will of more anger, I do not know to what extent it is good that they continue to attack him in this way , it may be that things are Getting out of the hands of the other Politicians.

[alegotardo]

Yes, in fact Yesterday on the news I couldn't really hear what they were saying on TV, but they said that Trump was guilty of having Sexually Assaulted a woman years ago, but I think that the politicians in the USA have a war against him , things can be seen that way, but I think that if Trump wins , things will change a lot in his favor, and he will persecute those who wanted to see him fall, while more things are mentioned to Trump to Disqualify him Politically, I think he will of more anger, I do not know to what extent it is good that they continue to attack him in this way , it may be that things are Getting out of the hands of the other Politicians.

It is undeniable that Trump will strike back if he wins and I am sure he can succeed in this turnaround if he wins.
See for example what happened in Brazil... the president-elect is an ex-convict (unfortunately... our shame), he went from prison to the most coveted position in the country and in retaliation he is "overthrowing" everyone who acted against him in the time he was accused and arrested, from lawyers, prosecutors and even judges.

Anyway... first Trump needs to win and honestly I'm sorry for that to happen. As much as the other candidates are notably "pushing too hard" to the point of being ridiculous, I think Trump's chances of winning the next election are still slim.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

Biden and Trump are absolutely pathetic options. Ronny isn’t much better either.
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Well, at least he is pro-bitcoin:

US presidential candidate DeSantis backs Bitcoin, digital currencies

May 24 (Reuters) - Florida Republican Governor and U.S. presidential hopeful Ron DeSantis on Wednesday pledged to support people's right to trade in digital assets like Bitcoin and said he opposes establishing a central bank digital currency.

On the other hand, Kennedy is also, and even accepts donations:

US Presidential Candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Says His Campaign Will Accept Bitcoin (BTC) Donations

The bad news is that it looks like neither of them will win the primaries.

[slapper]

Yes, in fact Yesterday on the news I couldn't really hear what they were saying on TV, but they said that Trump was guilty of having Sexually Assaulted a woman years ago, but I think that the politicians in the USA have a war against him , things can be seen that way, but I think that if Trump wins , things will change a lot in his favor, and he will persecute those who wanted to see him fall, while more things are mentioned to Trump to Disqualify him Politically, I think he will of more anger, I do not know to what extent it is good that they continue to attack him in this way , it may be that things are Getting out of the hands of the other Politicians.

It is undeniable that Trump will strike back if he wins and I am sure he can succeed in this turnaround if he wins.
See for example what happened in Brazil... the president-elect is an ex-convict (unfortunately... our shame), he went from prison to the most coveted position in the country and in retaliation he is "overthrowing" everyone who acted against him in the time he was accused and arrested, from lawyers, prosecutors and even judges.

Anyway... first Trump needs to win and honestly I'm sorry for that to happen. As much as the other candidates are notably "pushing too hard" to the point of being ridiculous, I think Trump's chances of winning the next election are still slim.

Politics? It's a circus, right? Accusations flying, vindications served, and unpredictable as a roulette wheel. Your points? They're solid. But let's take a shovel to this, dig into the details. In politics' spotlight, it's all about costume changes - one minute you're a villain, next you're a hero. It all depends on the spectators. You see Trump as a kind of superhero, but isn't he just another actor reading his lines? Nothing's ever just good guy or bad guy in politics, right?

You compare it to Brazil - interesting. But let's not jump the gun. Every country has its unique political DNA. An ex-con rising to president? That's a plot twist. But does it apply to Trump? It's all about the suspense, folks!

[Betwrong]

~ The presidentiables I think will change somehow there are new candidates that might come out to take it away from Trump and Biden though.
RFK Jr seems to be showing more interest.

Idk, does he have a chance? He has pretty good outcome odds currently, around 17.00, but I can't imagine he gets elected unless Biden and Trump disappear somehow. I'm not living in the US myself, so I have no idea how popular is Kennedy there for real, but from Youtube videos and some movies I have an impression that people don't the whole family much, and him in particular. Am I wrong?

He is polling somewhere between 15% to 20% at this point, and he is miles behind where Bernie Sanders was at this stage back in 2016. He is an anti-establishment candidate. Such a candidate has an outside chance of winning the GOP nomination (similar to what happened back in 2016), but within the Democrat party his chances are near zero. He can try running as an independent, but that will harm the GOP more than it would harm the Democrats. That said, he is making a lot of noise in the social media (especially in Twitter).

I'm 100% with you on this, it's just as if you wrote my mind down. Robert Kennedy Jr is just a noise maker, if one would not forget, he has been there without being noticed the whole time, even when Joe Biden has been holding one office and the other and Hillary Clinton was given the ticket years back. What he could do to be noticed is what he's actually doing now, this is politics, he's investing with his voice and actions.

One thing about politics is that you start creating awareness now, but not for the immediate but for the future. Of course, Joe Biden would leave after doing the maximum of 8 years, after which am sure that this guy might be one of those that would be considered. Thanks to his noise now, but placing him above the incumbent president will only be in his wildest dreams.

So, RFK Jr has no chances, right? It's not like in regular sports betting when there's a 15x multiplier you know that your chances are 7% more or less. Kennedy here doesn't have those 7%, every bettor knows his chances are zero.(Well, not every bettor, some people bet on him, but we here know, right)

But what about Ron DeSantis then? His multiplier is 5x. Does that mean that he has 20% chance of being elected as the next president? That's a huge chance, I must say.

[Lida93]

I wouldn't in anyway want to get involved in politics gambling based on personal reasons. But if am allowed to digress a bit. Mixing contemporary gambling with politics is somehow comic but intriguing at same time. As both concept operates differently but with same requirements from the competitors in the game. Tacitly put, in the game of gambling rigging or cheating is greatly abhorred, same in politics too but at the end we still get to see all these things such as rigging, cheating coming into play secretly or openly.

And I think it's the so much gambling we have likened politics to be like that we have so much anomalies and violence taking place in politics. just my personal thoughts.

[FanEagle]

Well in Brazil case, the whole nation was screwed from the start, the one that won was an ex-convict, and the one who lost was the last president who had the flee the nation for the corruption he did. There wasn't really a good candidate, everyone just argued which one was worse... well that does mimic USA elections exactly.

One of the candidates is ex-convict who is still on trial and stole hundreds of millions in taxes instead of paying them and labeled "smart move" by voters some reason, because the same people who voted for him, ended up paying his share too and they are not aware of it, and the guy ended up cutting taxes even more to the rich friends of his when he elected, the other is an old guy who people are unsure about his mental health, could be getting too old and sick to rule. So, USA doesn't really have a proper elections neither.

[nullama]

Well in Brazil case, the whole nation was screwed from the start, the one that won was an ex-convict, and the one who lost was the last president who had the flee the nation for the corruption he did. There wasn't really a good candidate, everyone just argued which one was worse... well that does mimic USA elections exactly.

One of the candidates is ex-convict who is still on trial and stole hundreds of millions in taxes instead of paying them and labeled "smart move" by voters some reason, because the same people who voted for him, ended up paying his share too and they are not aware of it, and the guy ended up cutting taxes even more to the rich friends of his when he elected, the other is an old guy who people are unsure about his mental health, could be getting too old and sick to rule. So, USA doesn't really have a proper elections neither.

In most western democracies it's usually one side against the other, and the perceived difference gets larger every year. In reality democracy allows the ability to choose between a lot of different candidates but it has quickly collapsed into choosing one side or the other to kinda give the illusion of choice.

I wonder how it could be changed, but I think it's impossible at this point.

[Hispo]

Well in Brazil case, the whole nation was screwed from the start, the one that won was an ex-convict, and the one who lost was the last president who had the flee the nation for the corruption he did. There wasn't really a good candidate, everyone just argued which one was worse... well that does mimic USA elections exactly.

One of the candidates is ex-convict who is still on trial and stole hundreds of millions in taxes instead of paying them and labeled "smart move" by voters some reason, because the same people who voted for him, ended up paying his share too and they are not aware of it, and the guy ended up cutting taxes even more to the rich friends of his when he elected, the other is an old guy who people are unsure about his mental health, could be getting too old and sick to rule. So, USA doesn't really have a proper elections neither.

In most western democracies it's usually one side against the other, and the perceived difference gets larger every year. In reality democracy allows the ability to choose between a lot of different candidates but it has quickly collapsed into choosing one side or the other to kinda give the illusion of choice.

I wonder how it could be changed, but I think it's impossible at this point.

I agree, in many countries democracy has turned into a dictatorship of two parties. Here in Venezuela is also something which has happened in the past and even to this day.

I would say that it is a consequence of polarization and redicalization on the ideas of the population, as they move fruther from the center to the right or left, the variety of parties which can exist decreases, also the management of the media on political matters does not help with polarization.

[nullama]

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I agree, in many countries democracy has turned into a dictatorship of two parties. Here in Venezuela is also something which has happened in the past and even to this day.

I would say that it is a consequence of polarization and redicalization on the ideas of the population, as they move fruther from the center to the right or left, the variety of parties which can exist decreases, also the management of the media on political matters does not help with polarization.

Yeah, I think it's happening in the entire western world at least, only that each country is at a different stage.

And when people say that something cannot happen in their country, it's good to remember that Argentina used to be in the top 10 of the wealthiest countries, and now it has an out of control inflation.

[Hispo]

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I agree, in many countries democracy has turned into a dictatorship of two parties. Here in Venezuela is also something which has happened in the past and even to this day.

I would say that it is a consequence of polarization and redicalization on the ideas of the population, as they move fruther from the center to the right or left, the variety of parties which can exist decreases, also the management of the media on political matters does not help with polarization.

Yeah, I think it's happening in the entire western world at least, only that each country is at a different stage.

And when people say that something cannot happen in their country, it's good to remember that Argentina used to be in the top 10 of the wealthiest countries, and now it has an out of control inflation.

Yes, it is happening in the West but if we take a look at the opposite part of the world, we can find what is going on in China and Russia. Dictatorships dressed up as democracies. One must be wonder if that is what the Republican party was trying to achieve (and perhaps continue to do so) since Trump became a politician.

Talking beyond the political betting, the consequences of that quality of politicians being ahead in the presidential run is quite scary, if you asked me. 
Imagine betting money in favor of Trump, knowing you can pocket some money with the possible suffering of a nation, depending on whom you ask, of course. 

[Sithara007]

Yeah, I think it's happening in the entire western world at least, only that each country is at a different stage.

And when people say that something cannot happen in their country, it's good to remember that Argentina used to be in the top 10 of the wealthiest countries, and now it has an out of control inflation.

Argentina is a typical Latin American country, where successive governments exchange cash for votes despite the fact that the treasuries are empty most of the times. Look at what is happening right now in Venezuela. When the governments try to appease the citizens with freebies and cash handouts, there is no incentive to work. And in the end, the economy collapses as a result of high taxes, rising federal debt and lack of manpower for blue-collar jobs. Socialism is the evil which destroyed countries that were once rich, such as Argentina and Venezuela.