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[TryNinja]

Nobody complained about the change of payments from btc address > Notes. On the contrary people praised it, wherever they are now idk. Obviously there's always a risk involved when you make a switch like that but I didn't see anything wrong with it, and everyone involved knew it when it happened without being forced to stay.

I don’t remember if I praised the change, but I did understand the reason for that. More money going around their multisig address = more privacy for everyone else, specially their customers. Assuming they were legit and not premeditating an exit scam, it was a smart move.

Let’s all remember that everyone could withdraw at any time, week after week, meaning that if you were to withdraw the next day after every payout, you would only have lost this week’s (last) payout.

[minerjones]

This leads us to the question, can the escrow funds be used in this case?

The sum Minerjones is holding isn't sufficient enough to cover the total deposited money I think. Minerjones is holding 40k DAI which is ~1.50 Bitcoin while the amount should be far higher considering the deposits we can see in the last week. How will it be used then? Well, MJ knows that better. Let him decide once everything is confirmed. Though the chance of whirlwind coming back is pretty low, we can still hope for the best and hopefully whatever they have said is true.

That is a good question.
From what I know many people are owed funds, not just people who deposited funds.... so I would need a list of who, why, and what amount
And it is not really "my" decision what happens as this should be decided on with the people who are owed funds
This would then be evaluated and then pro-rated based on the available funds in escrow

[Hhampuz]

So one way this can be done without making it difficult would be:

If you've withdrawn already, you can just forward the LoG to minerjones or me (I'll gladly help in sorting this all out).
If you have funds on whirlwind you can forward the private key to your note to either minerjones or myself for verification and once verified a transaction with the equivalent amount will be made to you while sending those funds on the note elsewhere, to avoid any confusion with a LoG coming up later on.

It can be tricky but it can be done. I do not think that the entire $40k in DAI will be necessary to make everyone whole, I'm yet to see anyone bring up a case of them depositing and losing money besides some trivial amounts.

Thoughts?

[cygan]

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Let’s all remember that everyone could withdraw at any time, week after week, meaning that if you were to withdraw the next day after every payout, you would only have lost this week’s (last) payout.

as Hhampuz has already said, you could always leave the ww-campaign. those who stayed and are now damaged (including me) have just tolerated the whole procedure and thus agreed and as long as 'not you key - not your coins' applies, there is always a residual risk.

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so I would need a list of who, why, and what amount
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If you've withdrawn already, you can just forward the LoG to minerjones or me (I'll gladly help in sorting this all out).
If you have funds on whirlwind you can forward the private key to your note to either minerjones or myself for verification and once verified a transaction with the equivalent amount will be made to you while sending those funds on the note elsewhere, to avoid any confusion with a LoG coming up later on.
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a really repectable approach, which i very much approve of. i will provide you both with all the necessary data later today.
we just hope that all other participants who wanted to withdraw their campaign funds have also saved the log file.

[bct_ail]

$40k in DAI

This is from the review campaign, isnt it?

Should this sum only be used to pay out the unpaid contributions from the Bounty campaign , the unpaid promised interest (12%) or if someone used the mixing service and still waiting for the withdrawl?

[Hhampuz]

$40k in DAI

This is from the review campaign, isnt it?

Should this sum only be used to pay out the unpaid contributions in the Bounty campain, the unpaid promised interest (12%) or if someone used the mixing service and still waiting for the withdrawl?

It was initially offered up as escrow to safeguard the bitcointalk community from any risk while participating in the review campaign but whirlwind left the amount with minerjones.

Calculating any 12% APR on any outstanding amounts seems like a nightmare to me so it would be easiest to just try and reimburse users who never got their withdraw and can prove with an LoG or if they still have funds on whirlwind and can prove it with their note private key.

Obviously anyone depositing their own funds would come first, followed by anyone participating in the signature campaign.

[Buchi-88]

So one way this can be done without making it difficult would be:

If you've withdrawn already, you can just forward the LoG to minerjones or me (I'll gladly help in sorting this all out).
If you have funds on whirlwind you can forward the private key to your note to either minerjones or myself for verification and once verified a transaction with the equivalent amount will be made to you while sending those funds on the note elsewhere, to avoid any confusion with a LoG coming up later on.

It can be tricky but it can be done. I do not think that the entire $40k in DAI will be necessary to make everyone whole, I'm yet to see anyone bring up a case of them depositing and losing money besides some trivial amounts.

Thoughts?

Hello Hhampuz, thanks for the offer I will PM you the node address and key, the last time I took off from the signature campaign was at Whirlwind in early June, the rest is still at the address. Is it OK for you if I send it to you by PM?

regards

[Hhampuz]

Please hold off on sending anything for now. I'm currently trying to discuss the best way forward with minerjones and once we agree on it I'll probably create a form or similar that you can send as a PM.

Just want to make sure we'd get everything right as this will have to be a one and done thing.

[examplens]

This is from the review campaign, isnt it?

Should this sum only be used to pay out the unpaid contributions from the Bounty campaign , the unpaid promised interest (12%) or if someone used the mixing service and still waiting for the withdrawl?

I don't see the problem here, it's money from ww, it shouldn't be a problem if it's used to cover the mess they made

Calculating any 12% APR on any outstanding amounts seems like a nightmare to me so it would be easiest to just try and reimburse users who never got their withdraw and can prove with an LoG or if they still have funds on whirlwind and can prove it with their note private key.

Everyone should forget about the percentage of the stake, no one can claim the kind of earnings that the scammers promised him.
It seems to me that everyone has already started the withdraw, although it would be much easier for the refund if the escrow could check the balance directly using note pk.

Obviously anyone depositing their own funds would come first, followed by anyone participating in the signature campaign.

This is also the right decision, luckily there are not many complaints from the user side.
Here I would just add that maybe you should hurry and do all the checks while the TOR site is still online. Based on everything, would not be surprised if it will soon be shut down without notice.

[Hhampuz]

Alright so I'll try and make this as simple as possible. If you have funds on whirlwind or if you made a withdraw after the 9th of August and haven't received it yet, please fill out the below form and send it as a PM to either myself or to @minerjones and we'll compile it in a list and then refund users from the escrowed amount. Repayments will be made in DAI on the ERC-20 network.

Code:

Bitcointalk Profile Link: 
whirlwind note Private key | LoG of withdraw: 
Amount owed in BTC: 
DAI (ERC-20) Address for repayment: 

Please allow some time to handle all of this, but the sooner you'd send yours in the better. I already received some PM's regarding this and if you could follow the above formula that'd be appreciated as my inbox will explode and I might not reply to all of you in a timely manner but I will record all information sent.

[hugeblack]

Thoughts?

What will happen if the site stops working?
Can WWM manipulate notes data, such as changing balance to zero or creating fake notes and claiming part of the $40,000.


BTW
The site is still working.
One of signature campaign members are still wearing WWM signature. Sometimes I feeling that many accounts here are A.I.

[hosemary]

If you have funds on whirlwind you can forward the private key to your note to either minerjones or myself for verification

I don't know if they provide a letter of guarantee for sending funds between note addresses. If they do so, the other way is people send their funds to your note address and then send you the letter of guarantee.

If a trusted member of the forum sends you a letter of guarantee or a note private key, I think that's enough.
If a newbie who has created an account recently is claiming funds, you should ask him to provide more evidences like the LoG of the deposit. You should not accept the claim, if the deposit has been made after your today's announcement regarding claiming funds from the escrow. It's easy for the person who has access to the private key of the signing address to come here and claim funds.

[fillippone]

Code:

DAI (ERC-20) Address for repayment: 

Can someone advise which wallet to use for a DAI address?
At a later stage I will also ask how to convert this shitcoin into proper real money.

[Hhampuz]

Code:

DAI (ERC-20) Address for repayment: 

Can someone advise which wallet to use for a DAI address?
At a later stage I will also ask how to convert this shitcoin into proper real money.

Any hardware wallet should work, and most large exchanges trade it, it's basically a stablecoin valued at ~$1/ea.

[LeGaulois]

LeGaulois the altcoin-racist needs to use DAI

good joke 

Heil Bitcoin!



On a serious note of course I understand

[AHOYBRAUSE]

This is how karma works. You all supported a scam and now you are swallowing it.

Stupid logic. Did you know this was a scam? You never knew. This is how centralized mixer works. You have to trust them and they have to pay back the trust. Whirlwind started their journey here in such a way that no one even doubt their single activity.
Well, possibly they are scam but nothing guaranteed. We may see them coming back too as they claimed they are not in the town. Hope for the best now though it's getting worst.

Yes I knew it was a scam and a lot of other members knew that also like JollyGood but they preferred to continue taking their signature payment than exposing.

LOL, now that I read this, you are right.
Didn't you have a personal massage under where the profile picture is supposed to be that said "whirlwind is a scam" ?
First when I saw this I though what your problem with them would be but seems you have been right the whole time. 

Looks like you can predict the future.

[bct_ail]

This is from the review campaign, isnt it?

Should this sum only be used to pay out the unpaid contributions from the Bounty campaign , the unpaid promised interest (12%) or if someone used the mixing service and still waiting for the withdrawl?

I don't see the problem here, it's money from ww, it shouldn't be a problem if it's used to cover the mess they made

I do not see this as a problem either. minerjones has 40k DAI available and of course it should be used. But before that, it should be defined for what kind of "debts" this sum will be used. And that is what has happened now.

I would not be surprised if ww shows up here and shouts out: "Scammer, youre guys owe me 40k.  

[Buchi-88]

Code:

DAI (ERC-20) Address for repayment: 

Can someone advise which wallet to use for a DAI address?
At a later stage I will also ask how to convert this shitcoin into proper real money.

Any ETH ERC-20 address can receive DAI, or if you want to exchange to BTC, you can specify an exchange address that supports ERC-20 DAI.

[mikeywith]

Alright so I'll try and make this as simple as possible. If you have funds on whirlwind or if you made a withdraw after the 9th of August and haven't received it yet, please fill out the below form and send it as a PM to either myself or to @minerjones and we'll compile it in a list and then refund users from the escrowed amount. Repayments will be made in DAI on the ERC-20 network.

Code:

Bitcointalk Profile Link: 
whirlwind note Private key | LoG of withdraw: 
Amount owed in BTC: 
DAI (ERC-20) Address for repayment: 

Please allow some time to handle all of this, but the sooner you'd send yours in the better. I already received some PM's regarding this and if you could follow the above formula that'd be appreciated as my inbox will explode and I might not reply to all of you in a timely manner but I will record all information sent.

A note to everyone filling out for a refund, you should all "hurry up" to make withdrawals while the website is still working, if it goes down you won't have any proof of how much you have left in the mixer, probably the reason why you need to provide both PK and LOGs is that some balances (below 0.001) can't be sent from the mixer so you would likely have some stuck in there with noway to prove it unless you provide the PK, but again, the note PK will be useless if the website goes down so please try to withdraw ASAP, and DO - NOT - FORGET - TO - DOWNLOAD - THE - LETTER - OF - GUARNTEE because then, your funds are lost forever even if the website is still functioning.

On a side but related note: Hhampuz and MJ will be doing a lot of work verifying all those logs, I alone have 4 logs and some leftovers on the mixer, i'd imagine many others may have even more, would be great if all of us donate some of it to them as appreciation for their efforts.

[Hhampuz]

I've recorded and verified owed amounts for the following users:

Buchi-88, bullrun2020bro, Rikafip, fillippone, dkbit98, cygan, cryptofrka, sam00, Inwestour, o_e_l_e_o, mikeywith

If you haven't sent me a message or if you've not sent over LoG or privatekey you are not in the list above. Whenever you see this please send me a message ASAP so this can be sorted out.

Someone sent a message regarding business deals that weren't related to funds being stuck on whirlwind and that will not be taken into consideration, at least not at this time.

Here's the form again just in case it gets buried in all the replies:

Code:

Bitcointalk Profile Link: 
whirlwind note Private key | LoG of withdraw: 
Amount owed in BTC: 
DAI (ERC-20) Address for repayment: