Without money, does it still qualify as gambling?

[Blitzboy]

Sometimes I used to see the police around my region arresting people publicly playing shot card games and the label it as gambling even though those playing this game don't stake money but the law enforcement agency still categorized it as gambling, so I believe whether or not you stake an amount or just playing for the fun, it all gambling as long as there is a game to contend for the winning unless it sports games if not it all gambling.

Maybe it was because they used cards that were synonymous with gambling that the police thought they were gambling. The authorities could catch people playing cards with their friends even if they didn't use money. So if we want to play sports or anything else, we have to be careful not to use any money so the police won't take it as a bet. But I don't know. The response of each person or the police must also be different and some will think of it as gambling.

Games that being use to gamble should be play privately or else this kind of incident will happened. This scenario is happening on my country. Police sometimes planting evidence to all the people that they saw playing publicly because they knew that this people really gambling but just hiding money away from the table.

I’m confused these people still wants to gamble publicly while they can always play on their houses privately. Local gambling is very popular in my counter which is why police is very strict on catching them even with just a slightly hint of gambling.

Indeed, the line between innocent fun and illegal gambling can be murky. It seems your country's authorities are treading on thin ice, criminalizing innocent card games based on an association with gambling. That's akin to banning a rose because it shares its thorns with a cactus.

Your concern about public versus private gaming brings a fascinating question to the table - should freedom of assembly succumb to the specter of gambling? One can't help but find this a slightly Orwellian overreach.

Lastly, the notion of law enforcement planting evidence is a serious allegation and hints at a systemic problem. It's the perfect recipe for a Kafkaesque nightmare. If this is indeed the norm, then the conversation needs to shift from cards and games to the principles of justice and rule of law.

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[ethereumhunter]

Sometimes I used to see the police around my region arresting people publicly playing shot card games and the label it as gambling even though those playing this game don't stake money but the law enforcement agency still categorized it as gambling, so I believe whether or not you stake an amount or just playing for the fun, it all gambling as long as there is a game to contend for the winning unless it sports games if not it all gambling.

Maybe it was because they used cards that were synonymous with gambling that the police thought they were gambling. The authorities could catch people playing cards with their friends even if they didn't use money. So if we want to play sports or anything else, we have to be careful not to use any money so the police won't take it as a bet. But I don't know. The response of each person or the police must also be different and some will think of it as gambling.

Games that being use to gamble should be play privately or else this kind of incident will happened. This scenario is happening on my country. Police sometimes planting evidence to all the people that they saw playing publicly because they knew that this people really gambling but just hiding money away from the table.

I’m confused these people still wants to gamble publicly while they can always play on their houses privately. Local gambling is very popular in my counter which is why police is very strict on catching them even with just a slightly hint of gambling.

The police can easily plant evidence on everyone they see playing gambling, especially if the goal of the police is to arrest everyone who gambles in that place. And while people may hide their money in their pockets or elsewhere, the police can find them. That's what makes me wonder

I think they think that playing in public is still okay and safe from police raids but after information about this gambling activity disturbed the public, the police came and arrested the people. Maybe it's better that they have a place to gamble that people don't know about so they can feel safe.

[LUCKMCFLY]

same as my view because i cant expect myself using all the time i am supposed to gamble for real money in playing in some online free games, it's not possible and if I have much time I will rather spend it gambling for real money because even while we playing for fun, we still have to add money to it to make it more motivating on the long run.

Those that could gamble with demo accounts are the computer gaming freaks and newbies who are looking for ways to familiarise themselves with the casino and its features but aside from that, one will need to gamble staking real money to get the right motivation and drive to play those games.

Patience is an art, we cannot have anything without patience, we as players and as people who are risking money all the time, we might think that things have to go another way, you have to be patient in everything, this is for achieve what we set out to do, here things can be seen from many points of view, the one that has the most for us is that we don't care about money, we just want to play at any cost, the bad thing is when you lose, because when That happens, we reflect and have a greater vision of things and of our game,but we must not reach that point, we must be more Intelligent to realize when we Should have some strategy to enter and test the Games well.

    -   In the first place, I want you to know that I want to criticize what you are saying here. You mentioned that patience is like an Art.
I agree with what you said and I have no argument with you on this matter either. Now, for my opinion, a person's patience has no relation to playing gambling. Because being patient belongs to the so-called virtues and gambling is not included in the word "Virtues".

But I still agree with what you said that if we gamble it should only be done as a hobby or just for fun, it shouldn't cause us stress or problems in the end just because we lost playing gambling. Gambling skills are also not necessary if you are the type of gambler who relies on luck.

If I understand what you are saying and you are right, I know that patience can help us a lot, but when we are playing it is obvious that we always want to win, and that desire leads us to a point where we forget patience and the adrenaline starts to exert more force on us, we can get desperate, stressed and forget about what we are willing to spend, that is why the word "self-control" comes out a lot but it is very difficult to control it, the truth is that when patience is combined with "self-control" it is the winning combination for everything, but for us as good humans emotions sometimes play us Wrong and we forget.

Sometimes I used to see the police around my region arresting people publicly playing shot card games and the label it as gambling even though those playing this game don't stake money but the law enforcement agency still categorized it as gambling, so I believe whether or not you stake an amount or just playing for the fun, it all gambling as long as there is a game to contend for the winning unless it sports games if not it all gambling.

Maybe it was because they used cards that were synonymous with gambling that the police thought they were gambling. The authorities could catch people playing cards with their friends even if they didn't use money. So if we want to play sports or anything else, we have to be careful not to use any money so the police won't take it as a bet. But I don't know. The response of each person or the police must also be different and some will think of it as gambling.

Games that being use to gamble should be play privately or else this kind of incident will happened. This scenario is happening on my country. Police sometimes planting evidence to all the people that they saw playing publicly because they knew that this people really gambling but just hiding money away from the table.

I’m confused these people still wants to gamble publicly while they can always play on their houses privately. Local gambling is very popular in my counter which is why police is very strict on catching them even with just a slightly hint of gambling.

The police can easily plant evidence on everyone they see playing gambling, especially if the goal of the police is to arrest everyone who gambles in that place. And while people may hide their money in their pockets or elsewhere, the police can find them. That's what makes me wonder

I think they think that playing in public is still okay and safe from police raids but after information about this gambling activity disturbed the public, the police came and arrested the people. Maybe it's better that they have a place to gamble that people don't know about so they can feel safe.

I don't see arresting people who play in makeshift casinos or street games as a crime, the police should take care of the real ruffians, who are the ones who kill, commit crimes, that's what makes them policemen Don't arrest people who are looking for fun and who don't hurt anyone, those are the things that governments and control entities do that don't let others do what they want. In my country, at one time they did those procedures because Casinos were prohibited, and that is something I never agreed with, now casinos are legal as long as they give the government a good cut.

[virasog]

If I understand what you are saying and you are right, I know that patience can help us a lot, but when we are playing it is obvious that we always want to win, and that desire leads us to a point where we forget patience and the adrenaline starts to exert more force on us, we can get desperate, stressed and forget about what we are willing to spend, that is why the word "self-control" comes out a lot but it is very difficult to control it, the truth is that when patience is combined with "self-control" it is the winning combination for everything, but for us as good humans emotions sometimes play us Wrong and we forget.

So gamblers are so desperate to earn money and they do not have patience. So how would they agree on playing games where there is no money to be earned. This is why it is very much clear that the main purpose of gambling is to earn money and for that you need to spend your money. If we ask gamblers to play games without any incentive of earning, they will simply refuse.
Also, this clears that most people (more than 90% do not gamble for fun, but only gamble for money, Right?

I don't see arresting people who play in makeshift casinos or street games as a crime, the police should take care of the real ruffians, who are the ones who kill, commit crimes, that's what makes them policemen Don't arrest people who are looking for fun and who don't hurt anyone, those are the things that governments and control entities do that don't let others do what they want. In my country, at one time they did those procedures because Casinos were prohibited, and that is something I never agreed with, now casinos are legal as long as they give the government a good cut.

Here again, the police is looking for an easy target, and for them, the gamblers are the easiest target as they do not possess any weapons and they are not trained criminals. If the police go after the real criminals, they will have to make an effort and in some cases, their life may also be in danger when they encounter with the criminals. Sadly police will come after those who are gambling on street games or places where gambling is prohibited.

[markk1]

Haven't heard about the superpicks project. I have a project in my signature that does not require investment of money. You can play and get crypto, you can also invest money and mine without playing.
When I have nothing to do, I play and get some crypto. As a rule, such projects pay very little without investments, this is normal.

[Alphie12]

If there's nothing on the line then it's not gambling.

[xSkylarx]

Sometimes I used to see the police around my region arresting people publicly playing shot card games and the label it as gambling even though those playing this game don't stake money but the law enforcement agency still categorized it as gambling, so I believe whether or not you stake an amount or just playing for the fun, it all gambling as long as there is a game to contend for the winning unless it sports games if not it all gambling.

Maybe it was because they used cards that were synonymous with gambling that the police thought they were gambling. The authorities could catch people playing cards with their friends even if they didn't use money. So if we want to play sports or anything else, we have to be careful not to use any money so the police won't take it as a bet. But I don't know. The response of each person or the police must also be different and some will think of it as gambling.

Games that being use to gamble should be play privately or else this kind of incident will happened. This scenario is happening on my country. Police sometimes planting evidence to all the people that they saw playing publicly because they knew that this people really gambling but just hiding money away from the table.

I’m confused these people still wants to gamble publicly while they can always play on their houses privately. Local gambling is very popular in my counter which is why police is very strict on catching them even with just a slightly hint of gambling.

The police can easily plant evidence on everyone they see playing gambling, especially if the goal of the police is to arrest everyone who gambles in that place. And while people may hide their money in their pockets or elsewhere, the police can find them. That's what makes me wonder

I think they think that playing in public is still okay and safe from police raids but after information about this gambling activity disturbed the public, the police came and arrested the people. Maybe it's better that they have a place to gamble that people don't know about so they can feel safe.

It can be easily tracked by police now a days, as we know there are cameras everywhere and also CCTVs, so no matter how you run if you are in public, it can be easily tracked. Also,  with planting evidence, that is really what they are doing as long as they haven't found hard evidence. When some get caught, they will plant it so that for sure they go to jail. Even if it was seen by somebody, they will still deny it. Public places to gamble are not good. I think you can concentrate and enjoy the game in a private and quiet place.

[ethereumhunter]

I don't see arresting people who play in makeshift casinos or street games as a crime, the police should take care of the real ruffians, who are the ones who kill, commit crimes, that's what makes them policemen Don't arrest people who are looking for fun and who don't hurt anyone, those are the things that governments and control entities do that don't let others do what they want. In my country, at one time they did those procedures because Casinos were prohibited, and that is something I never agreed with, now casinos are legal as long as they give the government a good cut.

If the street casino is illegal, the police have to raid and arrest them unless the street casino already has a permit to open the street casino from the government. The police cannot arrest anyone who comes to a street casino unless they make noise or disturb the people who come to the casino. And as long as nothing interferes, the casino can operate properly and the police can also carry out their duties. But don't forget that everywhere there are corrupt cops who will ask the casino for security money.

It can be easily tracked by police now a days, as we know there are cameras everywhere and also CCTVs, so no matter how you run if you are in public, it can be easily tracked. Also,  with planting evidence, that is really what they are doing as long as they haven't found hard evidence. When some get caught, they will plant it so that for sure they go to jail. Even if it was seen by somebody, they will still deny it. Public places to gamble are not good. I think you can concentrate and enjoy the game in a private and quiet place.

Yes, if there is CCTV, the police will find out easily and immediately do something, so tracking it will be easy. But we still have to be careful in a public space like that because crime can happen anywhere and anytime.

And I agree that to enjoy gambling games, we need a separate place that is quiet and calm so we can concentrate on the game.

[summonerrk]

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There is absolutely no way to earn real money by gambling on a demo account. this is for training only.  but nowadays people who are interested in gambling are so panicked that they don't feel any need to use demo account and they jump to gambling with real money. And on the other hand, gambling platforms often refrain from having demo account options. Because it is not used by many people now, on the other hand it creates a stress on the platform's servers due to which the site may slow down.  However, forex trading platforms have demo account options.

When Forex first appeared in my country, I immediately registered on it. I participated in demo accounts, and I will say that they are useless. It is better to trade for five dollars than on a demo. The same is true in gambling. Psychologically, I really don't want to do a demo, the brain understands that this does not bring any result. Only for familiarization with the interface. And if you can practice bot strategies on a demo account in forex, then this is not done on gambling.

[GigaBit]

The police can easily plant evidence on everyone they see playing gambling, especially if the goal of the police is to arrest everyone who gambles in that place. And while people may hide their money in their pockets or elsewhere, the police can find them. That's what makes me wonder

I think they think that playing in public is still okay and safe from police raids but after information about this gambling activity disturbed the public, the police came and arrested the people. Maybe it's better that they have a place to gamble that people don't know about so they can feel safe.

In countries where gambling is not legal, gamblers may be arrested if new law enforcement officers see them gambling in public. Moreover, even where gambling is legal, street gambling activities will also be treated as a punishable offence.

Sometimes I used to see the police around my region arresting people publicly playing shot card games and the label it as gambling even though those playing this game don't stake money but the law enforcement agency still categorized it as gambling, so I believe whether or not you stake an amount or just playing for the fun, it all gambling as long as there is a game to contend for the winning unless it sports games if not it all gambling.

Any game that is often seen in gambling can be associated with gambling. Many here may claim he didn't gamble but he was arrested by the police. Then the matter will depend on the investigation. However, a person who is temporarily trapped may be harassed to some extent.

[QueenVera]

Gambling without money can be seen as not gambling because finance is the major thing that triggers people to go into gambling for the sake of making profits from it. If you decide to bet without money involving in it, the two parties may not take it that seriously because they believe that money is nit involved in the bet so everyone that make the bet will not take it too seriously because funds is not involved.

Exactly because I believe  winning and losing are what makes gambling interesting and fun as well and i wouldn't  consider superpick as gambling but rather as raffle draw because I see no reason why one should be  giving out no risk money to people and still call it gambling because the gambling i know, has to do with people risking money in forms of bets with hopes of making more money if there is a win and been asked to pick numbers and randomly  select winners,
Wbats the bases of your selections and how are winners selected  and I will also want to know if there are criteria to be selected a winner aside just picking  the number?

[TheGreatPython]

If there's nothing on the line then it's not gambling.

Exactly, it's a simple fact that when you don't have anything up at stake from your side, you are not gambling, it's simple as that. Gambling is the act of betting something valuable over an upcoming result of something and if you lose the bet, you will lose something that is valuable like money, a belonging, your time, or anything in general that has some value, if you are not losing anything, even if you are playing a gambling game, it is not gambling.

Playing a game that has a reward for you to win if you perform well doesn't qualify as gambling even if the game is generally used for gambling, but since you are not losing anything even if you don't top the leaderboard and win something, because you did not pay anything for doing that.

[coinerer]

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There is absolutely no way to earn real money by gambling on a demo account. this is for training only.  but nowadays people who are interested in gambling are so panicked that they don't feel any need to use demo account and they jump to gambling with real money. And on the other hand, gambling platforms often refrain from having demo account options. Because it is not used by many people now, on the other hand it creates a stress on the platform's servers due to which the site may slow down.  However, forex trading platforms have demo account options.

When Forex first appeared in my country, I immediately registered on it. I participated in demo accounts, and I will say that they are useless. It is better to trade for five dollars than on a demo. The same is true in gambling. Psychologically, I really don't want to do a demo, the brain understands that this does not bring any result. Only for familiarization with the interface. And if you can practice bot strategies on a demo account in forex, then this is not done on gambling.

Forex trading and Gambling is not same. Forex is an exchange platform where currencies of different countries are traded.  Just as crypto is traded through different tokens or coins, Forex is done on the local currency of different countries.  However, Forex can be compared to crypto future trading because leverage can be taken in Forex. Forex trading is done with leverage, so there is a lot of risk, so there is a demo account for training, but demo account is not necessary in gambling.

[LUCKMCFLY]

same as my view because i cant expect myself using all the time i am supposed to gamble for real money in playing in some online free games, it's not possible and if I have much time I will rather spend it gambling for real money because even while we playing for fun, we still have to add money to it to make it more motivating on the long run.

Those that could gamble with demo accounts are the computer gaming freaks and newbies who are looking for ways to familiarise themselves with the casino and its features but aside from that, one will need to gamble staking real money to get the right motivation and drive to play those games.

Patience is an art, we cannot have anything without patience, we as players and as people who are risking money all the time, we might think that things have to go another way, you have to be patient in everything, this is for achieve what we set out to do, here things can be seen from many points of view, the one that has the most for us is that we don't care about money, we just want to play at any cost, the bad thing is when you lose, because when That happens, we reflect and have a greater vision of things and of our game,but we must not reach that point, we must be more Intelligent to realize when we Should have some strategy to enter and test the Games well.

    -   In the first place, I want you to know that I want to criticize what you are saying here. You mentioned that patience is like an Art.
I agree with what you said and I have no argument with you on this matter either. Now, for my opinion, a person's patience has no relation to playing gambling. Because being patient belongs to the so-called virtues and gambling is not included in the word "Virtues".

But I still agree with what you said that if we gamble it should only be done as a hobby or just for fun, it shouldn't cause us stress or problems in the end just because we lost playing gambling. Gambling skills are also not necessary if you are the type of gambler who relies on luck.

Relying on luck depends greatly on the game the gambler is playing, so it is not on the gamblers hand to rely on luck, the game the gambler decides to play is what determines whether the gambler should rely on luck or not..
For example, somebody playing online slot games have no other choice or option, other than to rely on luck, on the other hand, somebody who's betting on sports matches must be force to always follow up on games, by watching the match or following the live scores of every match, this is how the gambler gets to learn about different teams and their abilities, and inabilities, this help to know which team to put your Bet On anything there is a match coming up or going on..

Any gambler who is betting on sports games and really completely on luck will only loose until he or she is completely frustrated with gambling.

Intriguing perspective! Indeed, virtues and gambling might seem like oil and water. But let's consider this: virtues aren't just for virtuous actions. Even in contexts we wouldn't consider "virtuous," we can bring our virtues to bear.

Let's dissect this patience angle. Patience, when applied to gambling, isn't about sanctifying the act but rather mitigating impulsivity, promoting strategic thinking, and managing potential losses.

Coming to luck, yes, it's the driving force in some games, like slots. You could say it's like tossing a coin into a wishing well and hoping for the best. But for sports betting, it's a different beast altogether. It's like a game of chess; you need to understand the teams, the players, the strategies. Betting on sports blindly is akin to jumping off a plane without checking your parachute - not recommended.

You hit the nail on the head, especially in that patience serves to mitigate impulsiveness, and if we start to see when we play without control and have some anger because a lot has been lost, what leads us to continue playing is that impulse to keep playing and playing h until you win, and when those results don't occur is when things start to get out of control and of course when a person fails to mitigate that type of impulse it can lead to bankruptcy, that's why there are so many cases of gambling addiction, when people are looking for more money to gamble and things go to the dump because of addiction.

[Slow death]

There is absolutely no way to earn real money by gambling on a demo account. this is for training only.  but nowadays people who are interested in gambling are so panicked that they don't feel any need to use demo account and they jump to gambling with real money. And on the other hand, gambling platforms often refrain from having demo account options. Because it is not used by many people now, on the other hand it creates a stress on the platform's servers due to which the site may slow down.  However, forex trading platforms have demo account options.

casinos profit thanks to people's losses so it doesn't make much sense for a casino to create a demo account for people, as no matter how much that person spends months practicing at the end of the day when that person puts money in the casino that person will lose money, It is something inevitable that happens, and we see that professional gamblers or so-called betting gurus prefer to keep creating youtube channels and earn money with their youtube channels, sell books, give courses and other things but do not earn money playing, probably they don't even play

they lie to their followers talking about predictions and how they think game x or z will end, but they don't show who they bet on, whereas in forex the owners of forex sites profit from trade fees from the buy and sell that each person keeps doing it for the forex site and it is more advantageous to teach people how to trade so that people do not give up on the trade, hence the reason for placing demo accounts, this is the difference between forex and casinos. now when you count the number of people who were lucky to win a lot of money the casino is ahead of forex, lottery players are always the top winners in history

[Wiwo]

If there's nothing on the line then it's not gambling.

Sure mate, what make is a gamble is when there is a stake on the line, this is what most people done to understand and they think that just getting involved in games is all gambling and that is not true because there is nogamblingsf nothing to lose, quite alright we can spend our time in playing game like ludo cheese and I'm the rest but we can't gamble with time, we only gamble by staking money so without money there is indeed no gambling.

[Docnaster]

If there's nothing on the line then it's not gambling.

Sure mate, what make is a gamble is when there is a stake on the line, this is what most people done to understand and they think that just getting involved in games is all gambling and that is not true because there is nogamblingsf nothing to lose, quite alright we can spend our time in playing game like ludo cheese and I'm the rest but we can't gamble with time, we only gamble by staking money so without money there is indeed no gambling.

Without staking your money or properties, it should not be called gambling. For it to be called gambling you should be ganing or losing something. Atleast this is my layman's understanding of gambling as it happens in my country and online across the globe.
There could be a different scenario if some will argue from the higher stand that someone is investing his time in that kind of DSTV super picks game.
Well, if there is something you ought to do with your time and then you left it to play the dstv game, will it be counted that you stakes your time?

[Agbe]

Have you heard of Superpicks on DSTV? where you can make predictions and win money without staking your money?

if you have not, check it out. Superpicks.com

My question is can it still be called gambling if it is not played with money?

Op it is gambling, even the website link you drop shows sports activities. So such prediction is also gambling. Gambling is not only placing money against odds or opposing one another. I believed DStv is using that to gather customers to their Decoder. That is a way of advertisement.  Gambling can be verbal saying. So you know that politics is also gambling? Anything one does to win something it is gambling. People think it is only when you use money is called gambling but that is not true. Gambling has different ways.

[serjent05]

Have you heard of Superpicks on DSTV? where you can make predictions and win money without staking your money?

if you have not, check it out. Superpicks.com

My question is can it still be called gambling if it is not played with money?

Op it is gambling, even the website link you drop shows sports activities. So such prediction is also gambling. Gambling is not only placing money against odds or opposing one another. I believed DStv is using that to gather customers to their Decoder. That is a way of advertisement.  Gambling can be verbal saying. So you know that politics is also gambling? Anything one does to win something it is gambling. People think it is only when you use money is called gambling but that is not true. Gambling has different ways.

It looks like you are changing the meaning of gambling.  It has been established that anything that has stake (bet), risk and reward is called gambling.  It cannot be gambling if there is no bet involved because there is no risk of losing something important.  Competitions like singing competitions, dancing competitions, and sports tournaments are not gambling but they are given a prize in case they win.

[ScamViruS]

What the OP is saying is also a form of gambling, because participating in a game by predicting its future is also gambling. It is also not correct to say that only the game involving money is gambling and all others are not gambling.

Sometimes I used to see the police around my region arresting people publicly playing shot card games and the label it as gambling even though those playing this game don't stake money but the law enforcement agency still categorized it as gambling, so I believe whether or not you stake an amount or just playing for the fun, it all gambling as long as there is a game to contend for the winning unless it sports games if not it all gambling.

Card games are considered illegal in countries where gambling is not legal, causing police to arrest players even if no money is involved. According to the rules of the country, if the card game is considered illegal to play publicly, then the police will arrest the players. I myself have seen many players get arrested just for playing cards in public places, they were just playing the game for entertainment.