The madness of gambling addicts.

[goaldigger]

This is one of many horror stories about gambling addiction, some are more worst.
Can’t imagine myself being addict, as much as possible control yourself not to get addict and understand that gambling is not good. If you know someone who are addicted in gambling and needs a professional help already, force them to consult because there’s still a way to get out of that addiction, they just need a help.

[danherbias07]

Whoever that is, he crossed the line from being a gambling addict to becoming pure evil for doing that to his own daughter. It's too much and I don't think it's just because of the addiction to gambling. There must be other reasons why these things do happen. Loan sharks for example. He must have a great deal of loaned money and the loan sharks are trying to get it back by force so he made a plan to create money out of thin air by using his own daughter.
Maybe he thought this is one good reason to force the bank into letting him borrow more money because the daughter's life is in jeopardy.

It is truly madness and this kind of activity should not be roaming in the public anymore as he may hurt more people in the process.
Gamble responsibly.

[ChiBitCTy]

I just got done reading that article, I thought it was pretty funny that they caught him just a bit later that night after having kidnapped his granddaughter. From the sounds of it, basing it off of the things he was saying to the police officers, just sounds like the guy has got a whole lot of mental health issues.  Sadly there's really not that much people can do when it comes to helping people with these types of issues. 

[aioc]

A Shanghai man was sentenced to prison for kidnapping his own granddaughter so he could maintain his gambling addiction with the ransom money.

The kidnapping — orchestrated by a 65-year-old man identified only by his surname, Yuan — was first reported by the Shanghai Law and Rule Journal. The legal news outlet didn't specify when the incident occurred but wrote on April 18 that Yuan had just started serving his prison sentence.

Yuan kicked off his plan by picking up his four-year-old granddaughter from her kindergarten and taking her out to eat and shop without her mother's knowledge, the Journal reported.

[1] https://www.insider.com/shanghai-man-kidnapped-his-own-granddaughter-for-72000-report-2023-4
[2] https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/grandpa-in-china-kidnaps-own-granddaughter-demands-ransom-so-he-can-continue-gambling

many gambling addicts have lost their minds because their desire to continue gambling overpowers their common sense, hence the importance of "gambling responsibly"

This is a miserable guy, some guys are committing crimes to support their family, but this guy is committing crimes against their family to gamble considering that this guy is mature, he should know better, his family cannot back him up because of the crime committed against them.
This is not an isolated case, there are so many cases where the perpetrators are head of the family against their family and this is a big concern for the government because the family is an integral part of a country, the perpetrator is really out of his mind for doing this and this is one example if you are hooked to gambling and you are gambling excessively.

[Fatunad]

A Shanghai man was sentenced to prison for kidnapping his own granddaughter so he could maintain his gambling addiction with the ransom money.

The kidnapping — orchestrated by a 65-year-old man identified only by his surname, Yuan — was first reported by the Shanghai Law and Rule Journal. The legal news outlet didn't specify when the incident occurred but wrote on April 18 that Yuan had just started serving his prison sentence.

Yuan kicked off his plan by picking up his four-year-old granddaughter from her kindergarten and taking her out to eat and shop without her mother's knowledge, the Journal reported.

[1] https://www.insider.com/shanghai-man-kidnapped-his-own-granddaughter-for-72000-report-2023-4
[2] https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/grandpa-in-china-kidnaps-own-granddaughter-demands-ransom-so-he-can-continue-gambling

many gambling addicts have lost their minds because their desire to continue gambling overpowers their common sense, hence the importance of "gambling responsibly"

This is a miserable guy, some guys are committing crimes to support their family, but this guy is committing crimes against their family to gamble considering that this guy is mature, he should know better, his family cannot back him up because of the crime committed against them.
This is not an isolated case, there are so many cases where the perpetrators are head of the family against their family and this is a big concern for the government because the family is an integral part of a country, the perpetrator is really out of his mind for doing this and this is one example if you are hooked to gambling and you are gambling excessively.

Im not supporting any criminals out there but having some kind of act on where you are abducting your own family instead of others then there's something or wrong in your mind, im aint saying abducting other people outside your family is better but how could you be able to consider such act? How you would benefit through that? You are really just making family relations even more complicated if ever this one would be arranged out on which you had made out some history which is something that cant be forgiven by your family and relatives. You would really be finding yourself ending up into this condition if you arent really that good on handling your emotions and handling you your thinking about on how to deal up with gambling.If you are really that addicted then there's no way that you could be able to get out so easily without committing any
criminal acts just like this, because on the time that you do saw that you dont have money to be spared or make use of on your gambling activity then this is where your last option or resort would be.

[Vaskiy]

The real addiction have made him change his behaviour which none could've expected. These kind of incidents happen often, but not for the purpose of gambling. In my country more number of suicides have taken place for the reason of losing big on gambling. Recently in an incident bank employee stole around $60k from the bank he works and ran away. Finally caught and on investigation he had done it to overcome the gambling loss that happened in the day.

[qwertyup23]

This is one of many horror stories about gambling addiction, some are more worst.
Can’t imagine myself being addict, as much as possible control yourself not to get addict and understand that gambling is not good. If you know someone who are addicted in gambling and needs a professional help already, force them to consult because there’s still a way to get out of that addiction, they just need a help.

Being addicted to something comes in many forms- it can be anything like food, activity, or an act on itself. Being addicted is always almost dangerous for the reason that it can potentially hinder your judgement as focus is towards on the act itself.

Gambling addiction is one of those cases where once you get addicted, it can lead to a downfall of a person both financially and mentally. We have witnessed several stories about people who suffered gambling addiction and we have the duty to at least be reminded to not follow their example.

At the end of the day, gambling addiction must be cured by seeking help from your family and peers. Once you acknowledge that you indeed suffer from it, it is about time for you to venture into different activities in order to keep yourself busy.

[serjent05]

Sadly many addicted gamblers take the wrong path to continue their gambling activities.  I believe aside from the addiction, the action of a gambling addict is also affected by their moral attribute.  High moral attribute tends to look for extra jobs in order to maintain their addiction while those with immoral attributes often seek easy money and don't hesitate to do crimes and illegal activities just to suffice their gambling addiction.

The real addiction have made him change his behaviour which none could've expected. These kind of incidents happen often, but not for the purpose of gambling. In my country more number of suicides have taken place for the reason of losing big on gambling. Recently in an incident bank employee stole around $60k from the bank he works and ran away. Finally caught and on investigation he had done it to overcome the gambling loss that happened in the day.

It is given that once a player is addicted he cannot control his urge to gamble making him think of ways to get more funds to gamble.  Sadly crooks always choose to choose the easy money path thus we can see and read recorded crimes due gambling addiction.

[alegotardo]

many gambling addicts have lost their minds because their desire to continue gambling overpowers their common sense, hence the importance of "gambling responsibly"

A while ago I would say that older people who are parents are much less likely to fall into gambling addiction than young singles, as this first group of people would always think first about the well being of their family.

However, it seems to me that after the Covid-19 pandemic, pressure and stress took over people and they are looking for an "escape route" to their problems, regardless of their age, social class or having a family to support .

Unfortunately gambling addiction has become a common problem among many people.

Blessed are those who still manage to keep their sanity and control their bets.

[Renampun]

The real addiction have made him change his behaviour which none could've expected. These kind of incidents happen often, but not for the purpose of gambling. In my country more number of suicides have taken place for the reason of losing big on gambling. Recently in an incident bank employee stole around $60k from the bank he works and ran away. Finally caught and on investigation he had done it to overcome the gambling loss that happened in the day.

but I see the case in the OP as too harsh, as a child and also a parent, I understand how devastated the child's mother feels when she hears that her child has been kidnapped and the kidnapper is her own father if I become the child's mother, then I will not reconcile with my father and will put him in jail, he has really lost his mind and maybe he will do something more reckless in the future like selling his grandaughter to a human organ trading syndicate just to gamble.

[michellee]

The real addiction have made him change his behaviour which none could've expected. These kind of incidents happen often, but not for the purpose of gambling. In my country more number of suicides have taken place for the reason of losing big on gambling. Recently in an incident bank employee stole around $60k from the bank he works and ran away. Finally caught and on investigation he had done it to overcome the gambling loss that happened in the day.

but I see the case in the OP as too harsh, as a child and also a parent, I understand how devastated the child's mother feels when she hears that her child has been kidnapped and the kidnapper is her own father if I become the child's mother, then I will not reconcile with my father and will put him in jail, he has really lost his mind and maybe he will do something more reckless in the future like selling his grandaughter to a human organ trading syndicate just to gamble.

And if I were the mother, I would make sure that she gets the harshest punishment so that she won't be able to commit any more crimes against my child or anyone else. There's a lot that these criminals can do once they get what they want.

Hopefully, this will be a valuable lesson for all of us and people who have already gambled for a long time can realize and start to reduce their time to gamble. We also have to supervise our children's associations so they don't get involved in illegal things that can complicate their lives later.

And people who have experienced gambling addiction, even though it's not too bad, can realize that something has changed in them so they can ask for help to cure their gambling addiction.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

[1] https://www.insider.com/shanghai-man-kidnapped-his-own-granddaughter-for-72000-report-2023-4
[2] https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/grandpa-in-china-kidnaps-own-granddaughter-demands-ransom-so-he-can-continue-gambling

many gambling addicts have lost their minds because their desire to continue gambling overpowers their common sense, hence the importance of "gambling responsibly"

These extreme cases are fine for headlines and tabloid news, but the reality is that this is far from the norm. That said, I am in favour of responsible gambling implementations, because the problem with gambling is the big financial hole they can leave if they don't control themselves, borrowing money to be able to continue gambling, which they lose and then have to pay back. This is when they are not stealing money from family members or extreme cases like the one we see.

[Wexnident]

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Man I know this is evil and all but shouldn't it be changed from "gambling addicts" go "addicts" instead? It just paints gambling in a really negative way but in the end, the cause is addiction itself, regardless of whatever the target of addiction is, be it gambling or something else.

Anyway, as for responsible management I reckon shouldn't schools include that in their curriculum or something? At least around college level maybe. It doesn't even have to tackle about gambling itself, but just being able to manage the wants/urges of a person in a controllable level.

[Oasisman]

I'm not an expert with law, but  did he just skipped in paying off the debt he had because he's incarcerated? Does he have debts?, I'm quite sure he had, being a gambling addict automatically means you're drowning with debts.
Or does this mean, he'll have to be in jail for an extended year for not being able to pay the debts he made?
It's really crazy what people can do when they're in a desperate position, gambling have ruined a lot of lives, we're all aware of it but not everyone has the ability to control it.

As far as I understand the article, the man has a gambling debt and wants to settle everything thru gambling.

He needs money and demanded it, not to pay the debt, but rather to continue gambling and taking chances. However, even the man will get the money, he just added another crime. There's no way he will get away with that.

The level of desperation is really insane as it came to the point that he will kidnap his own family just for the sake of having money. Regardless of the reason he has, the was against the law and he needs to face the charges. I'm sure he's not just a gambling addict but maybe addicted too to other sinful activities and that results in his mind turning into trash.

Well, in this case there's only one thing I could say, he's now in a better place lol. Again, I'm not sure if the loan protection insurance companies pays off a lender  who's client is incarcerated. If that's the case, kidnapping his own granddaughter was the right thing to do so the police could have something to charge against him with criminally. It's crazy, but I was thinking that this man might have set this one up to send himself to jail and avoid the debts he had.
When you're in prison, you don't have the ability to produce money to pay off your debt, this man might be exhausted and gave up in life already.
Regardless of what this man's real intention is, it's just crazy to think what kind of monster gambling can create with out of a desperate person.

[mindrust]

I think big casinos should create a fund to be used for the recovery of the gambling addicts. I am not saying that the casinos are responsible for what's going on but it would be a good will gesture. Or maybe they should donate some of their profits to an organisation like ncpgambling.org.

Our mission is to lead state and national stakeholders in the development of comprehensive policy and programs for all those affected by problem gambling.  Our purpose is to serve as the national advocate for programs and services to assist people and families affected by problem gambling.  And our vision is to improve health and wellness by reducing the personal, social and economic costs of problem gambling.

I am pretty sure the casino owners don't want these problematic players that steal from their family members to continue playing. These people need to be treated and since they lost all of their money to the casinos, maybe the same casinos should give some of their profits back to those people so they can recover.

[Solosanz]

These news are the reason that make people tend to think gambling is bad when gambling itself actually good if you know what you're doing. Kidnapping to get money isn't only happen for gambling addict, but drug addict, alcohol addict, had a huge debt, want to have luxury lifestyle, personal problem etc.

This kind news is same like someone deposit Bitcoin in ponzi scheme project and then he blame Bitcoin because he can't withdraw it from ponzi scheme project.

[len01]

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many gambling addicts have lost their minds because their desire to continue gambling overpowers their common sense, hence the importance of "gambling responsibly"

"gambling responsibly" is a small word but difficult to control at all times while gambling.
for gamblers who may not yet be crazy gambling addicts maybe they can gamble responsibly but, for gambling addicts who are crazy it is very difficult to control themselves to gamble responsibly. on the other hand someone who is not yet a gambling addict has the potential to become a gambling addict if he goes to gambling too often. maybe someone who is not a gambling addict can gamble responsibly, but if he goes to gamble every day, there is a very high potential for him to become an addict and neglect to gamble responsibly after losing his money frequently.

but gambling responsibly this is one way for gamblers who are not yet addicted and it is simply the best way.

[tusandii]

I am pretty sure the casino owners don't want these problematic players that steal from their family members to continue playing. These people need to be treated and since they lost all of their money to the casinos, maybe the same casinos should give some of their profits back to those people so they can recover.

You need to know that casino owners will never care about things like that because they build casinos to do business and make a profit, so wherever the money used by gamblers comes from, it is not the concern of casino owners, unless gamblers use money from embezzlement or corruption and in use it in casinos with the aim of laundering money, casino owners will never let that happen because it can bring their casinos into the grips of the law which risks being banned from operating.
Whether gamblers experience addiction or not is also not the responsibility of the casino owner so it is impossible for the casino owner to return some profits to people who are addicted so they can recover.
If a gambling addict gets some money they will not recover but use that money to gamble again so it will only be in vain.

[davis196]

I can mention hundreds of cases, where gambling addicts have committed crimes, scams, fraud, etc... in order to get money to feed their gambling addiction. And so what? Does posting such forum threads here help for solving this big problem? I don't think so.
When a gambling addict commits crimes, this becomes a problem of the police and the judicial system. We can't do anything about it.
The world is full with people, who lack self-control and self-awareness. They are capable of doing really stupid shit in order to fulfill their own desires. This is sad but true. We can't do anything to change them.

[worle1bm]

This is how gambling addiction can take serious turns because you can't control yourself from gambling while you don't have financial support with you to keep up the bankroll but this is something rare and criminal mind where you are putting a step ahead and kidnapping your own granddaughter.

These news are the reason that make people tend to think gambling is bad when gambling itself actually good if you know what you're doing. Kidnapping to get money isn't only happen for gambling addict, but drug addict, alcohol addict, had a huge debt, want to have luxury lifestyle, personal problem etc.

Kidnapping is criminal offence no matter what's the purpose behind it because at last you are demanding money from the family even for gambling so we can't say it's gambling is good in these cases.When you become too addicted your senses don't work and you follow the wrong paths which is why stop limit is necessary.