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April 28, 2023, 06:50:27 AM
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A Shanghai man was sentenced to prison for kidnapping his own granddaughter so he could maintain his gambling addiction with the ransom money.

The kidnapping — orchestrated by a 65-year-old man identified only by his surname, Yuan — was first reported by the Shanghai Law and Rule Journal. The legal news outlet didn't specify when the incident occurred but wrote on April 18 that Yuan had just started serving his prison sentence.

Yuan kicked off his plan by picking up his four-year-old granddaughter from her kindergarten and taking her out to eat and shop without her mother's knowledge, the Journal reported.

[1] https://www.insider.com/shanghai-man-kidnapped-his-own-granddaughter-for-72000-report-2023-4
[2] https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/grandpa-in-china-kidnaps-own-granddaughter-demands-ransom-so-he-can-continue-gambling

many gambling addicts have lost their minds because their desire to continue gambling overpowers their common sense, hence the importance of "gambling responsibly"
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The gambler has a creative way but also a very risky way to still be able to finance his gambling desires because any crime cannot possibly be perfect without leaving traces, but maybe he doesn't think so because in the media that contains this story he even says what he is doing cannot categorized as a crime but only a family dispute, meaning that he really doesn't have a right and clear mind so his desire to gamble has eclipsed all good things.
However, from the news, that he was addicted because he was having a hard time so he used gambling as an escape, it was indeed difficult to continue gambling with responsibility, especially if the gambler was not aware of his addiction so that no one could help him get out of these difficult times.

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April 28, 2023, 07:31:01 AM
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These news are the reason that make people tend to think gambling is bad when gambling itself actually good if you know what you're doing. Kidnapping to get money isn't only happen for gambling addict, but drug addict, alcohol addict, had a huge debt, want to have luxury lifestyle, personal problem etc.

This kind news is same like someone deposit Bitcoin in ponzi scheme project and then he blame Bitcoin because he can't withdraw it from ponzi scheme project.
If you can use gambling as entertainment and get pleasure and not become addicted to gambling, you are using gambling properly. But sadly, many people have become addicted to gambling because they get out of control after playing several games for a while. This is also what makes the number of people addicted to gambling increase because they do not have good self-control while gambling.

And people addicted to gambling can do bad things to anyone, including their own family because of the urge to get money quickly. And they will do anything to have money and continue playing gambling. This is not the same as a Ponzi scheme project which will eventually blame Bitcoin because it is about how people can control themselves when they gamble.

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April 28, 2023, 07:39:16 AM
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That kind of mindset is going to be harmful to anyone and make sure that he will continue with what he wants. He is only thinking of himself, and no matter what he does, it's only rooted in one thing: gambling. It's essential to control yourself and not attach yourself to it so you wouldn't think of despicable ways to continue it. That is mad.

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April 28, 2023, 10:33:53 AM
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Well, gambling addiction is a curse for sure, and people go so low only to fulfil their desires if they don't have anything left they have for themselves then such incidents start to happen, and believe me, this is not the worst case I've heard and people can steep even lower than this and I'm more surprised because of the age of the suspect.

Usually, people who are younger tend to commit such crimes but this is surprising to see someone of that age being so much addicted to target their own family. Most of the time, people just steal and sell stuff only to feed their lust caused by the addiction.

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April 28, 2023, 11:33:00 AM
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That kind of mindset is going to be harmful to anyone and make sure that he will continue with what he wants. He is only thinking of himself, and no matter what he does, it's only rooted in one thing: gambling. It's essential to control yourself and not attach yourself to it so you wouldn't think of despicable ways to continue it. That is mad.
Madness of gambling addicts is dangerous for them and their family specially , they are harming themselves and their surroundings by loosing all their money in gambling with the dream of winning more and more .
Extremism is always harmful , one should control their feelings and wishes in life.

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April 28, 2023, 11:43:00 AM
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This is the downside of the gambling sector. I proposed a board that would increase gambling awareness by filling it with topics like this one, to open peoples eyes and aware them that gambling is potentially dangerous, however it seemed to be passed on. It should be noted as well that these are the kinds of stories that you hear about - imagine the stories that you don't hear about.
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April 28, 2023, 02:31:29 PM
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Gambling causes depression and depression leads to committing crime, in the heydays of online cockfighting here in our country, people are committing crimes even to their families, just so they can play online cock fighting.
Gambling is like a drug if you cannot handle the way you take it, you will be miserable.
Imagine committing a crime against your family because you know that your family will forgive you because they want to preserve their family's unity.

I think it's a reducionism to say gambling causes depression
depression is a complex situation that can have many different causes

I do agree that gambling could exacerbate a condition that is already unbalanced

it's a good idea to have a network of people who you love and trust.
and manage emotions, and bankroll as I usually say

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April 28, 2023, 02:45:19 PM
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The articles are dark truths about human addiction and how it drives them to do wrong things. But there might be more to what the news/articles have reported which we are unaware of. Loans and debts are often entangled with gambling and paying them off while maintaining your social status is indeed difficult in these places.

Attempting to coerce a family member to pay them and kidnapping their own child for that does sound like an insane person. But this can be stopped a long time back by moderation of gambling habits.

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April 28, 2023, 05:01:11 PM
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The articles are dark truths about human addiction and how it drives them to do wrong things. But there might be more to what the news/articles have reported which we are unaware of. Loans and debts are often entangled with gambling and paying them off while maintaining your social status is indeed difficult in these places.

Attempting to coerce a family member to pay them and kidnapping their own child for that does sound like an insane person. But this can be stopped a long time back by moderation of gambling habits.
I think it really affects their mind, I don't want to be rude but using your family member for you gambling addiction is not a stable person can do. It really needs a professional help for this thing, they can do a lot worse thing if they will not be put in rehab. Truly,  being addicted will not only destroy you, it will also destroy your family and everyone around you. It will not be easily recovered so better to change the habits before it gets worst.
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April 28, 2023, 07:12:10 PM
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Dopamine plays a big role in making or breaking the experience. it's responsible for the thrill and enjoyment we get from gambling, but it can also lead to addiction and f*ck up someone's life.

it's crucial to approach gambling responsibly and with caution.
Keep in mind that gambling should be viewed as some stuff you do for fun, not a way to avoid responsibilities or even as source of your bread and butter
Responsible gambling is language that is easy for some addicted people to understand and difficult to live up to. I am not against gambling because personally we are also involved in it, gambling which is made as a job will end tragically, especially if it is run by people whose financial capabilities are unstable.

Indulging in gambling at leisure is typical of people who do not think of getting rich in this area and you are the closest source that brings gambling to the stage of addiction or approaching it in a responsible manner, great care is needed so that we can be responsible for gambling decisions.

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April 28, 2023, 07:28:58 PM
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He was being innovative and showing initiative in figuring out how to continue to gamble. Give the guy some credit lol.  Maybe the guys back was against the wall and he owed a lot of money to a loan shark? Something was not reported as to what made this guy go as far as he did and try to harm his own family.


You have a really valid point here boss, after reading through the article op shared, I kept asking myself, what sort or level of gambling addiction could drive a man crazy to this extent..
That is kidnapping his own grand daughter, someone he is solely responsible for if the parent aren't around, it's really a crazy world we live in, and gambling have indeed destroyed alot of homes and families, what ever drove this man into doing this, he has some what, destroyed the relation he had with his children, including the grand children, really, a prove they some people don't think about the consequences before taking some certain kinds of actions.

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This is really insane and I think I've see even worst cases as this and I've seen cases where a man had to wear a custom just to hide his identity from his family because he thinks the money win from the jackpot migy get into the head of his family and make them lazily but I never agreed with that and now another story if a grandfather trying to kidnap his granddaughter simply because he wants to have more mkeny to gamble and rather than trying to brutalize this persons, I think it will be best that they be taken into a correctional center so that the necessary can be done on them rather than blaming them.

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April 28, 2023, 09:03:53 PM
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Gambling addicts do the darndest things. This man in the story must have successfully kept his addiction a secret from his wife and family. Or even if he didn't, they must have downplayed the severity of the addiction. As it has been said over and again, addiction exists and thrives in secrecy. That's its superpower but once exposed or talked about its potency is reduced. It is not enough to say gamble responsibly but to reach and guide them how to gamble responsibly.

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April 28, 2023, 09:14:38 PM
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These news are the reason that make people tend to think gambling is bad when gambling itself actually good if you know what you're doing. Kidnapping to get money isn't only happen for gambling addict, but drug addict, alcohol addict, had a huge debt, want to have luxury lifestyle, personal problem etc.
If you can use gambling as entertainment and get pleasure and not become addicted to gambling, you are using gambling properly. But sadly, many people have become addicted to gambling because they get out of control after playing several games for a while. This is also what makes the number of people addicted to gambling increase because they do not have good self-control while gambling.

And people addicted to gambling can do bad things to anyone, including their own family because of the urge to get money quickly. And they will do anything to have money and continue playing gambling.

To reach the point where you enjoy gambling as entertainment and get a sensation of pleasure and does not lead to addiction. at least, someone needs experience and responsibility. however, even then not in a short time. I mean most people initially gambled just for the fun of it. whether it's seeing a friend, referrals from friends, or attracted from media advertisements. but in fact, most of them do not realize that the pleasure in gambling also has an impact that can be bad. therefore I say, so that someone does not become an addict, especially in this context is gambling. at least, there are factors that must be realized beforehand. Well, here's the problem, which most gamblers rarely realize.

Well, let's talk about addiction. addiction, is a condition that makes a person lose control of something. usually it refers to liking too much and being driven by a strong desire or infatuation for something. So, this problem does not only occur in cases of gambling addicts. there are even more severe cases in other addicts. the impact is very diverse. but for sure, it's not good. the point is, you, me, all of us, have the potential to become addicts, of any kind, especially in this context is gambling. in order to have good self-control one needs an understanding of gambling itself, defining gambling. after that, we can enjoy the thrill of gambling without having to sacrifice anything, even harming ourselves and other parties. as for the story in this thread, it's only a small part of the action of the addicts. no exception, addicts of other types. so, I think the context is not in the gambling. however, on each individual.

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April 28, 2023, 10:31:05 PM
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A Shanghai man was sentenced to prison for kidnapping his own granddaughter so he could maintain his gambling addiction with the ransom money.

The kidnapping — orchestrated by a 65-year-old man identified only by his surname, Yuan — was first reported by the Shanghai Law and Rule Journal. The legal news outlet didn't specify when the incident occurred but wrote on April 18 that Yuan had just started serving his prison sentence.

Yuan kicked off his plan by picking up his four-year-old granddaughter from her kindergarten and taking her out to eat and shop without her mother's knowledge, the Journal reported.



This is a very unusual story about crime because of gambling but it really happens, those who are addicted to gambling cannot think about what is right and what is wrong imagine committing a crime against his own granddaughter so he can just continue to gamble, if you're 65 years old you should be enjoying retirement and enjoy the fruit of your labor, now because of his addiction to gambling, he'll have to spend his retirement years in prison.
Unimaginable for a 65-year-old, I guess he'll have to file a parole so he can be with his family to ask for forgiveness.
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April 28, 2023, 11:27:18 PM
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Gambling addicts do the darndest things. This man in the story must have successfully kept his addiction a secret from his wife and family. Or even if he didn't, they must have downplayed the severity of the addiction. As it has been said over and again, addiction exists and thrives in secrecy. That's its superpower but once exposed or talked about its potency is reduced. It is not enough to say gamble responsibly but to reach and guide them how to gamble responsibly.
This is true, it looks like he had kept his gambling activities as secrecy from his wife and family. Many used to gamble together, when the gambling activity is on the losing streak the family members used to take decision to stop gambling. By the time husbands used to suffer as they can't control their habit. This is where they try to keep it as a secret and when they weren't able to manage the loss ends up with such bad behaviour. As said rather than saying gamble responsibly it is good to teach them how to gamble responsibly.
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April 29, 2023, 05:27:01 AM
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That's some crazy story!  Kidnapping his own granddaughter just for gambling money? It's really scary how far some people can go when they're addicted. Like, common sense just goes out the window when you no longer have any money with you. But not going to lie, I have heard crazier stories like how someone literally faked his own death buy burning someone else or something similar (can't actually remember but did happen). We all have to remember to gamble responsibly and that gambling is just for fun, a source of entertainment.

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April 29, 2023, 06:26:23 AM
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many gambling addicts have lost their minds because their desire to continue gambling overpowers their common sense, hence the importance of "gambling responsibly"
Ironically when there are people who cannot control addiction in gambling, this is just a small example of many gamblers that ended worse and there are some who end their lives because they are in debt when gambling. Gambling is responsible when you are not addicted and when it cannot be controlled, in my opinion it is difficult to be responsible for gambling choices.

The problem is how you put gambling, if done only for fun in spare time is not a problem. But when gambling is done as a substitute for permanent work, this will be far more problematic and it is very difficult to control, the decision is in each of us and as much as possible avoid addiction in gambling.

Gambling don't have responsibility over the players. Players have the sole responsibility over themselves and their gambling habits. It's not as if gambling games can adjust to a person's need or want. It's our decision whether we will play and bet or not. It's just that, sometimes people go overboard their capacity that leads them to being addicted in the process.

Addiction is a serious matter of dependency on gambling because of the thrill, excitement, entertainment, and/or profit it brings. If a gambler won't set limitations and boundaries on to what extend he will play and spend money, there will be a high chance that he'll get lost in the process. And when this happens, chain of negative reactions occur in a person's life such as losing cash on hand, savings, and even being buried in pile of debts. From there, some people become depressed, anxious, and even have suicidal tendencies. Some people resort to doing bad things just to sustain their gambling habits. And this is where professional intervention must be done in order to make gambling madness into full stop.
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April 29, 2023, 06:48:47 AM
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What a crazy story, really sad that somebody would do such a thing to his own family. Even in the worst situation I would never consider hurting my family deliberately. I know that addictions are a terrible thing, but so far I haven't met anybody who was severely affected by a gambling addiction. Over the years I met quite a few people who are struggling with alcohol, drugs or tobacco addictions. But when it comes to gambling I know people who play every second day and might categorise as addicts, even though they would never use any money that they can't afford to lose. It's really hard to try and understand such a behaviour if haven't experienced addictions in such a form. Hopefully this doesn't lead to other people trying to copy it.
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April 29, 2023, 07:12:56 AM
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Too hard to imagine how this thing happens but too unfortunate that it really exists.
Addiction is too powerful that a person could really change their behavior and will commit criminal activities for the sake of fulfilling their addictions.
I can really attest to this one, although it was a different story with that person OP but the reason is the same and he committed a crime (stealing) because of gambling addiction. He is not like that before but due to addiction, send him to jail.

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