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July 01, 2023, 04:56:57 PM
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Initially, many people doubted Guardiola quality after being promoted to head coach in the Barcelona first team, because at that time his status was as a coach at Barcelona B, especially at that time Guardiola had only started his career as a coach for one year. The opportunity given Barcelona was not wasted by Guardiola, he immediately brought Barcelona to win the La Liga title for three consecutive seasons. As a newcomer to the world of coaches who were full of competition with great coaches, he managed to make Barcelona one of the best clubs in Europe at the time.

I think Guardiola is better than Zidane who has only coached the only club, he was able to win the treble winner with two different clubs. Behind the success he has achieved with Barcelona, Bayern Munich and Manchester City, he still has the task of helping Manchester City become the reigning champions on the UCL stage. The squad that Manchester City currently has can be polished by Guardiola with the tiki-taka style that is his trademark to become a frightening club in the EPL and UCL.
Both Zidane and Guardiola certainly have their own strengths and weaknesses. There's no denying Zidane's achievements when he was active, he was one of the best of his time, and surpassed Guardiola's achievements. But during his time as coach, Guardiola slightly surpassed Zidane. In fact Pep proved with Three different Clubs in Three different Leagues. Barcelona in La Liga, Bayern Munich in the Bundes Liga and now Manchester City in the EPL, he can win with these three teams. So in the world of coaching Pep deserves appreciation for surpassing Zidane. With Zidane's break from the world of coaching, the best competition between the two has automatically stopped and only starts again if Zidane trains one of the clubs in the EPL. It will be interesting if he returns to coaching and takes part in an EPL club.

But it seems that Zidane will not train any club in the near future, until now there has been no serious news regarding Zidane's future, PSG who are interested in his services, recently appointed their new coach next season Luis Enrique, automatically adding the puzzle of where Zidane will be anchored while Guardiola will stay with City next season.

I agree with you about your comparison between Zidane and Guardiola. Zidane has an aura and players respect him more for his achievements as a player himself than as a coach. I know that he won the Champions League three times, but a lot of coincidences have led to that winning streak as well. It wasn't because Real Madrid dominated the Champions League throughout the knockout stages. It was in quite some games the case that they were the team with a little bit more luck than the others. Taking home three titles just like that will probably not happen again anytime soon. Guardiola is a real coach. Nobody talks about him as a player anymore whereas when I remember the name Zidane, I instantly think about him as a genius player, not as the coach who won the title three times.

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July 01, 2023, 05:58:41 PM
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I agree with you about your comparison between Zidane and Guardiola. Zidane has an aura and players respect him more for his achievements as a player himself than as a coach. I know that he won the Champions League three times, but a lot of coincidences have led to that winning streak as well. It wasn't because Real Madrid dominated the Champions League throughout the knockout stages. It was in quite some games the case that they were the team with a little bit more luck than the others. Taking home three titles just like that will probably not happen again anytime soon. Guardiola is a real coach. Nobody talks about him as a player anymore whereas when I remember the name Zidane, I instantly think about him as a genius player, not as the coach who won the title three times.
Zidane and Pep Guardiola have their own uniqueness, even though Zidane was able to win 3 Champions League trophies but he only got it with one team namely Real Madrid, unlike Pep Guardiola he was able to get it with two different teams namely Barcelona and Manchester City even though it took enough time long ago gave City its first Champions League title.

But Pep Guardiola is able to win domestic titles with three different teams at the moment compared to Zidane only winning with Real Madrid, Zidane is only a manager for one team for now and there is no chance for Zidane to return to being a coach in a different team. PGS rumor will sign Zidane have get Luis Henrique and looking Zidane back as manager next season seems not possible yet.

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July 01, 2023, 07:07:08 PM
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100% true. Many praise Guardiola, but forget that he had the Barcelona of the golden generation of Spain, then Bayern of Jupe Heykens (which made the treble and terrified everyone), then City with the best players in the world and their endless rotation. Yes, he is good, but against the background of the opportunities that he had, the results are quite ordinary or even modest.
I absolutely disagree. If about Barcelona, which was Guardiola's first coaching experience, as well as Bayern, which has been the absolute leader of German football for many years, we can still somehow downplay the influence of Pep on the formation of the team, then this cannot be said about Manchester City. It is no exaggeration to say that it was Guardiola who made a relatively ordinary club, which Manchester City was before, first the undisputed leader of English football, and now European and world football. I am also not very enthusiastic about clubs that buy up the best players and become leaders thanks to this, but Manchester City is still a coaching team and here you can see the hand and style of the master of his craft, which Guardiola has already become.

 Grin Firstly, from any "ordinary club" you can make a top club if you pour in billions of dollars. Even if you create a club completely from scratch, there will be a result. Secondly, City were champions before Guardiola and they will be champions (if they are still not punished for fraud) after him. I don't see that Guardiola is the backbone of City's success - the real backbone is money.

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July 01, 2023, 08:08:34 PM
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Currently there are 3 matches have been started in Champions League and the score are big for 3-0, 5-0, and 7-1.

I don't really familiar with the clubs and I think most people would be same as me, but it seems like those unknown clubs matches often to score many goals, this could be a good chance to bet over 3 or 4+ goals because the odds is worth to bet.
Yes, I agree and even though sometimes they only score a few goals, but in reality, they often score a lot of goals. Therefore, betting on over xxx goals and also, betting for both teams to score can be a good option. Of course, each of the available odds might give a little description or prediction of whether the option will be the right choice or not. But with regard to mediocre teams like this, then of course betting with feelings can be interesting, because when betting on a team that is not well-known you don't have many sources that can be used as material to predict it.
I have completely different opinion about these matches instead of betting just check data and details of these matches are much better for the future because here we have not guaranteed about hem how they play and what will happen in early rounds mostly teams are without any experience and good players.

Now we have next round matches on 11th July with many big names are going to join here, and few matches are worth to give a try for the betting even right now odds are not available but after few days things will be clear and surely many will be jumped into this for the good results and having good profit for the start of next season.
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July 01, 2023, 08:29:31 PM
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First of all I would have really liked to see Guardiola managing an average team as well to see his quality better. Because he started his career with Barcelona B team. And the teams they have managed after that are only Barcelona, Bayern Munich and Manchester City. He has been really successful with these teams maybe. But I also agree that even an average manager would become successful with this kind of teams. Maybe he wouldn't be as much as Guardiola but the player quality would still help a lot.

However I must admit a fact that he literally built Manchester City according to his will after coming here. I think this is a very special time period of his career here because of that.

We can compare it with PSG. yep, these two teams are clubs that have unlimited finances. However, currently the two clubs are handled by different coaches. the results are also very different. PSG, has made many coach changes. because, what they are after is not the domestic league competition trophy but the Champions League. Unfortunately, none of the coaches have been able to bring him to this point. although, they have always dominated Ligue 1.

City, have a really solid starting eleven. ever since Pep changed his system, the impact has been significant. not infrequently, in every game City always bottle the opposing team. what happens in the City squad is not just the role of the players. but also the tactician, who manages his team. Pep has proven that he is a quality coach. and not all the new players he brought in, had fantastic prices. that is why, Barcelona, ​​Bayern Munich and City, did not wrong to recruit him as their club coach. even so, to be honest I'm also curious what if Pep manages an average team or can we say a mediocre team.

Well, in the next season, City will have a strong competitor. at least, in the Domestic League. Currently, Arsenal are deepening their squad. if, Declan Rice, Jurrien Timber they have secured to join the Gunners. one more player they have to bring in, namely, Vlahovic. thus, Arsenal is ready to compete with City.

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July 01, 2023, 08:40:01 PM
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Zidane and Pep Guardiola have their own uniqueness, even though Zidane was able to win 3 Champions League trophies but he only got it with one team namely Real Madrid, unlike Pep Guardiola he was able to get it with two different teams namely Barcelona and Manchester City even though it took enough time long ago gave City its first Champions League title.

But Pep Guardiola is able to win domestic titles with three different teams at the moment compared to Zidane only winning with Real Madrid, Zidane is only a manager for one team for now and there is no chance for Zidane to return to being a coach in a different team. PGS rumor will sign Zidane have get Luis Henrique and looking Zidane back as manager next season seems not possible yet.
I completely agreed with these comments both are having own rich history and Guardiola is doing amazing job after having good mark at Barcelona, but Zidane is now having his own targets, and he wants to serve for the France national team and already refuse to join many big names specially Brazil National team job also refused by him is surprising but no one can talk about this as he wants to live just by his own and Guardiola is doing good as professional coach.

We can't compare many things between them because it's never been helpful all are doing jobs with their own strategy and understanding and never try to beat others just on statics recently we have too many noises about PSG and Zidane but at the end he completely rejected, and now Luis Henrique is on this job for the PSG challenge hopefully things will be good for the all in near future and dreams will be filled as well.

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July 01, 2023, 08:42:23 PM
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Zidane and Pep Guardiola have their own uniqueness, even though Zidane was able to win 3 Champions League trophies but he only got it with one team namely Real Madrid, unlike Pep Guardiola he was able to get it with two different teams namely Barcelona and Manchester City even though it took enough time long ago gave City its first Champions League title.

Although these two managers have very different personalities, I would choose Pep Guardiola over Zinedine Zidane several times. Pep Guardiola has proven himself worthy after breaking records by winning the Champions League trophy with two different clubs, as opposed to Zidane, who only did so with Real Madrid, even if it was back to back. Sometimes I think Zidane is just lucky, but it also has to do with expertise, which he could have earned him that as a manager.

Grin Firstly, from any "ordinary club" you can make a top club if you pour in billions of dollars. Even if you create a club completely from scratch, there will be a result. Secondly, City were champions before Guardiola and they will be champions (if they are still not punished for fraud) after him. I don't see that Guardiola is the backbone of City's success - the real backbone is money.

You are correct, but without a strong coach to handle the squad, no amount of money can buy you trophies, even if you sign all of the best players in the world. Manchester City were champions and doing well before Pep Guardiola arrived, but his presence has boosted their spirit and given him the honor of being termed the club's backbone.

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July 01, 2023, 08:51:48 PM
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Zidane and Pep Guardiola have their own uniqueness, even though Zidane was able to win 3 Champions League trophies but he only got it with one team namely Real Madrid, unlike Pep Guardiola he was able to get it with two different teams namely Barcelona and Manchester City even though it took enough time long ago gave City its first Champions League title.

But Pep Guardiola is able to win domestic titles with three different teams at the moment compared to Zidane only winning with Real Madrid, Zidane is only a manager for one team for now and there is no chance for Zidane to return to being a coach in a different team. PGS rumor will sign Zidane have get Luis Henrique and looking Zidane back as manager next season seems not possible yet.

I think it is unfair to limit Zidane champions league 3 peat exploit to just "because he managed Real Madrid" Carlo Ancelotti, Mourinho and Benitez all managed Real Madrid and they never won the three peat. Pep with the best team in Barcelona too did not win the three peat. Zidane won the 3 peat champions league title due to his grit, tactics and proper usage of excellent players. Players like Isco, Ascensio balled for Real Madrid in that champions league 3 peat, today Ascensio is in PSG, and am not sure where Isco is anymore.

Pep is a good manager ofcourse; and Zidane, refusing to take a new job does not make him a bad coach.
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July 01, 2023, 09:10:22 PM
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I agree with you about your comparison between Zidane and Guardiola. Zidane has an aura and players respect him more for his achievements as a player himself than as a coach. I know that he won the Champions League three times, but a lot of coincidences have led to that winning streak as well. It wasn't because Real Madrid dominated the Champions League throughout the knockout stages. It was in quite some games the case that they were the team with a little bit more luck than the others. Taking home three titles just like that will probably not happen again anytime soon. Guardiola is a real coach. Nobody talks about him as a player anymore whereas when I remember the name Zidane, I instantly think about him as a genius player, not as the coach who won the title three times.

Zidane spoke separately about winning the Champions League three times in a row and he claimed that it was the result of his hard work (which exhausted him and deprived him of sleep), and no luck. I agree that there is a share of luck everywhere (in fact, this is just a variance of a random variable, speaking in the language of mathematics), but the strongest are lucky and you should not underestimate other people's merits  Smiley

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July 01, 2023, 09:32:44 PM
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Initially, many people doubted Guardiola quality after being promoted to head coach in the Barcelona first team, because at that time his status was as a coach at Barcelona B, especially at that time Guardiola had only started his career as a coach for one year. The opportunity given Barcelona was not wasted by Guardiola, he immediately brought Barcelona to win the La Liga title for three consecutive seasons. As a newcomer to the world of coaches who were full of competition with great coaches, he managed to make Barcelona one of the best clubs in Europe at the time.

I think Guardiola is better than Zidane who has only coached the only club, he was able to win the treble winner with two different clubs. Behind the success he has achieved with Barcelona, Bayern Munich and Manchester City, he still has the task of helping Manchester City become the reigning champions on the UCL stage. The squad that Manchester City currently has can be polished by Guardiola with the tiki-taka style that is his trademark to become a frightening club in the EPL and UCL.
Both Zidane and Guardiola certainly have their own strengths and weaknesses. There's no denying Zidane's achievements when he was active, he was one of the best of his time, and surpassed Guardiola's achievements. But during his time as coach, Guardiola slightly surpassed Zidane. In fact Pep proved with Three different Clubs in Three different Leagues. Barcelona in La Liga, Bayern Munich in the Bundes Liga and now Manchester City in the EPL, he can win with these three teams. So in the world of coaching Pep deserves appreciation for surpassing Zidane. With Zidane's break from the world of coaching, the best competition between the two has automatically stopped and only starts again if Zidane trains one of the clubs in the EPL. It will be interesting if he returns to coaching and takes part in an EPL club.

But it seems that Zidane will not train any club in the near future, until now there has been no serious news regarding Zidane's future, PSG who are interested in his services, recently appointed their new coach next season Luis Enrique, automatically adding the puzzle of where Zidane will be anchored while Guardiola will stay with City next season.

there is no doubt left that guardiola is an excellent coach, but he was also lucky to be coach of teams with a lot of money and willing to invest heavily to have all the players he asked for with the aim of winning the champions league, just see that he he arrived at manchester city and spent many years in manchester city organizing the team and only after that he started to achieve many things with manchester city at the england level and it took many years for him to have a team capable of winning the champions league

So even though Guardiola is a good coach, even he needs a lot of time to organize a winning team. with that we can see that guardiola would never fit in small teams with medium budget and teams that want to win the champions league quickly like PSG, while the case of zidane was something that caused a lot of surprise and many people, but maybe we can say that he found real madrid while they already had an excellent squad and with his strategies the team managed to win everything they could. zidane's biggest test would be if he had to coach a new team and in that part he needs to be very cautious, a mistake by him in coaching a problematic team could ruin the great image he has, that's why in my opinion he is excited to train any team

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July 01, 2023, 09:45:21 PM
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I agree with you about your comparison between Zidane and Guardiola. Zidane has an aura and players respect him more for his achievements as a player himself than as a coach. I know that he won the Champions League three times, but a lot of coincidences have led to that winning streak as well. It wasn't because Real Madrid dominated the Champions League throughout the knockout stages. It was in quite some games the case that they were the team with a little bit more luck than the others. Taking home three titles just like that will probably not happen again anytime soon. Guardiola is a real coach. Nobody talks about him as a player anymore whereas when I remember the name Zidane, I instantly think about him as a genius player, not as the coach who won the title three times.
I think it's because Real Madrid are in a good era, especially in terms of squad depth. Zidane managed to win 3 consecutive Champions League titles because at that time Real Madrid had great players, but he was responsible for the strategy implemented.

No coincidence, but some consider us lucky. Basically there is a lot of effort that Madrid have put in beating opponents and winning titles, but people have taken another route in judging.

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July 01, 2023, 09:53:11 PM
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Initially, many people doubted Guardiola quality after being promoted to head coach in the Barcelona first team, because at that time his status was as a coach at Barcelona B, especially at that time Guardiola had only started his career as a coach for one year. The opportunity given Barcelona was not wasted by Guardiola, he immediately brought Barcelona to win the La Liga title for three consecutive seasons. As a newcomer to the world of coaches who were full of competition with great coaches, he managed to make Barcelona one of the best clubs in Europe at the time.

I think Guardiola is better than Zidane who has only coached the only club, he was able to win the treble winner with two different clubs. Behind the success he has achieved with Barcelona, Bayern Munich and Manchester City, he still has the task of helping Manchester City become the reigning champions on the UCL stage. The squad that Manchester City currently has can be polished by Guardiola with the tiki-taka style that is his trademark to become a frightening club in the EPL and UCL.
Both Zidane and Guardiola certainly have their own strengths and weaknesses. There's no denying Zidane's achievements when he was active, he was one of the best of his time, and surpassed Guardiola's achievements. But during his time as coach, Guardiola slightly surpassed Zidane. In fact Pep proved with Three different Clubs in Three different Leagues. Barcelona in La Liga, Bayern Munich in the Bundes Liga and now Manchester City in the EPL, he can win with these three teams. So in the world of coaching Pep deserves appreciation for surpassing Zidane. With Zidane's break from the world of coaching, the best competition between the two has automatically stopped and only starts again if Zidane trains one of the clubs in the EPL. It will be interesting if he returns to coaching and takes part in an EPL club.

But it seems that Zidane will not train any club in the near future, until now there has been no serious news regarding Zidane's future, PSG who are interested in his services, recently appointed their new coach next season Luis Enrique, automatically adding the puzzle of where Zidane will be anchored while Guardiola will stay with City next season.
Pep Guardiola without doubt did a great work as a Barcelona boss by winning trophies with the club after being promoted from the youth team of the club. But I think Guardiola inherited a team that was very easy to manage because of the kind of quality players in that squad.
Zinedine Zidane who as well has one of the best assembled team when he became the manager of Real Madrid actually did a better job and that's because he won 3 consecutive champions league trophies with  Real Madrid which is very rare to achieve in modern day Football. The two managers are very good and shouldn't be compared to each other because of the the fact that they possess different uniqueness of football

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July 01, 2023, 09:59:31 PM
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I think it's because Real Madrid are in a good era, especially in terms of squad depth. Zidane managed to win 3 consecutive Champions League titles because at that time Real Madrid had great players, but he was responsible for the strategy implemented.

No coincidence, but some consider us lucky. Basically there is a lot of effort that Madrid have put in beating opponents and winning titles, but people have taken another route in judging.
Everyone judges the performance of the team from the quality of the players and other things because of the influence of the coach. Even though Real Madrid last season was still strengthened by Benzema and a number of star players, the strength of other teams is far stronger than them. Not a fortune for other teams but it's a time where they have to improve their squad depth for next season. We have to look forward and those beautiful memories must always be remembered. In the next season, Real Madrid has greater hopes for In the Domestic league or Champions League, therefore Ancelotti asked for a greater signing from the management of Real Madrid in improving their strength. So, for now, we haven't seen a good enough impact after Benzema left because Real Madrid still hasn't repaired the that gap. Will real madrid rely enough on Joselu for next season or will they bring in another sticker at the end of this transfer window.

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July 01, 2023, 11:25:44 PM
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Yes, I agree and even though sometimes they only score a few goals, but in reality, they often score a lot of goals. Therefore, betting on over xxx goals and also, betting for both teams to score can be a good option. Of course, each of the available odds might give a little description or prediction of whether the option will be the right choice or not. But with regard to mediocre teams like this, then of course betting with feelings can be interesting, because when betting on a team that is not well-known you don't have many sources that can be used as material to predict it.
The problem is you won't be familiar with all of team playing in the first round of UCL qualification. It's hard to predict how good the result as lack of information regarding the club that's gonna play in the qualifying round.



That's upcoming match for the first leg of qualifying round. All of them were coming from various unpopular league. That makes it harder to guess the result from match.

I remember if breidablik was coming from iceland.

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July 01, 2023, 11:45:04 PM
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I agree with you about your comparison between Zidane and Guardiola. Zidane has an aura and players respect him more for his achievements as a player himself than as a coach. I know that he won the Champions League three times, but a lot of coincidences have led to that winning streak as well. It wasn't because Real Madrid dominated the Champions League throughout the knockout stages. It was in quite some games the case that they were the team with a little bit more luck than the others. Taking home three titles just like that will probably not happen again anytime soon. Guardiola is a real coach. Nobody talks about him as a player anymore whereas when I remember the name Zidane, I instantly think about him as a genius player, not as the coach who won the title three times.

Zidane spoke separately about winning the Champions League three times in a row and he claimed that it was the result of his hard work (which exhausted him and deprived him of sleep), and no luck. I agree that there is a share of luck everywhere (in fact, this is just a variance of a random variable, speaking in the language of mathematics), but the strongest are lucky and you should not underestimate other people's merits  Smiley

Zidane said he wants to be the coach of the Mbappe one day and I think he likes this player. Zidane is currently not working in any team but he was very much near to Ream Madrid when Ancelotti was leaving this team and PSG however Enrique is much near to PSG. But I think if Zidane joined PSG or Real Madrid and they play in the champions league against Guardiola. Still, Guardiola will have a much better chance because Zidane was unemployed for some time.

Currently there are 3 matches have been started in Champions League and the score are big for 3-0, 5-0, and 7-1.

I don't really familiar with the clubs and I think most people would be same as me, but it seems like those unknown clubs matches often to score many goals, this could be a good chance to bet over 3 or 4+ goals because the odds is worth to bet.
I don't think so, maybe it's a good option to bet, but too risky too. This really not familiar club can make surprises but also not always, especially in the first qualifying round later maybe we can see that any team will find it difficult to score a lot, I mean like last season there were several matches that ended without goals too.

I agree and I think when we are not familiar with the team, this can be very much risky to bet on the team because there is still the chance for some unknown teams to make a miracle and surprise us. That's why I don't usually bet on these kinds of matches.

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July 02, 2023, 02:38:43 AM
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Zidane said he wants to be the coach of the Mbappe one day and I think he likes this player. Zidane is currently not working in any team but he was very much near to Ream Madrid when Ancelotti was leaving this team and PSG however Enrique is much near to PSG. But I think if Zidane joined PSG or Real Madrid and they play in the champions league against Guardiola. Still, Guardiola will have a much better chance because Zidane was unemployed for some time.
He likes Mbappe and Mbappe likes him. We know that after the drama with France coach position after World Cup 2022, Mbappe publicly talked that he supported Zidane and he thought people should show more respect to Zidane.

Zidane did not show interest to be a coach of any club since his departure from Real Madrid. PSG tried to contact Zidane and used him as one of factors to convince Mbappe to stay in PSG. But I believe Zidane will not take any club coach position, he will aim at the position at France national team. He knows that life is short and he has good chance to become a coach of the France national team because Deschamps will not stay at that position forever. France have very good player generation in the last few years and have many young talented players and they will be future of the national team.

Being unemployed is what he want and it is to achieve what he has been waiting in last few years.

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July 02, 2023, 08:06:25 AM
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Real Madrid doesn't have that squad depth now and all the players from that 3 win in a row era are either old or they are gone already. They had a great generation together and played for nearly 10 years together which ended with amazing run and they finally got to a point where they won the UCL with them one last time missing just a few players, but that's about it.

Now they have a whole new team to be fair, maybe just a few old players are the same but they are not as good as they were back in those times, that was 5 years or so ago, I guess they are still alright but not as good as they used to be. So now the new team and the young guys will have to improve and when they are good enough, they will have their own version of 10 years of success.

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July 02, 2023, 09:25:38 AM
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Currently there are 3 matches have been started in Champions League and the score are big for 3-0, 5-0, and 7-1.

I don't really familiar with the clubs and I think most people would be same as me, but it seems like those unknown clubs matches often to score many goals, this could be a good chance to bet over 3 or 4+ goals because the odds is worth to bet.
I don't think so, maybe it's a good option to bet, but too risky too. This really not familiar club can make surprises but also not always, especially in the first qualifying round later maybe we can see that any team will find it difficult to score a lot, I mean like last season there were several matches that ended without goals too.

I agree and I think when we are not familiar with the team, this can be very much risky to bet on the team because there is still the chance for some unknown teams to make a miracle and surprise us. That's why I don't usually bet on these kinds of matches.
I prefer to bet on the Champions League when have entered the round of 16 because it is already clear which team can win in every game and even we can always rely on the top team in every bet.
Last season's Champions League gave me a lot of advantages when betting and this summer will be the start when we can start betting.

My advice is don't be in a hurry when you want to bet because matches at the start of the season are usually difficult to predict properly.

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July 02, 2023, 09:34:25 AM
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I agree with you about your comparison between Zidane and Guardiola. Zidane has an aura and players respect him more for his achievements as a player himself than as a coach. I know that he won the Champions League three times, but a lot of coincidences have led to that winning streak as well. It wasn't because Real Madrid dominated the Champions League throughout the knockout stages. It was in quite some games the case that they were the team with a little bit more luck than the others. Taking home three titles just like that will probably not happen again anytime soon. Guardiola is a real coach. Nobody talks about him as a player anymore whereas when I remember the name Zidane, I instantly think about him as a genius player, not as the coach who won the title three times.

Zidane spoke separately about winning the Champions League three times in a row and he claimed that it was the result of his hard work (which exhausted him and deprived him of sleep), and no luck. I agree that there is a share of luck everywhere (in fact, this is just a variance of a random variable, speaking in the language of mathematics), but the strongest are lucky and you should not underestimate other people's merits  Smiley

I am not underestimating other peoples' merits in the slightest, but don't we agree that goals like these won Zidane the Champions League? Also watch this one at the 2:00 minute mark. I am ready to receive and have a look at counter examples where the referee decision was clearly made against Real Madrid and cost them the game. But I tried to find a summary of decisions that were against Real Madrid and I couldn't really find something that was blatantly obvious against Real Madrid and decisive for the game end result. Almost all of those decisions that led to Real Madrid advancing through goals and red cards would not happen these days with the VAR. Almost none of them.

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I think having a trio of Mbappe, Messi and Neymar was PSG's biggest chance to go for their first Champions League title finally. However they didn't show the same performance about their manager choice. I was really not waiting for them to sign a manager like Galtier who didn't have a successful career. This was a really big risk to take for PSG.

They took this risk and it resulted in really badly just as I expected. Galtier was even contented with that season just because of winning the Ligue 1 title. But this wasn't a big success for PSG as they were winning this title most of the time already due to its being easy for them.

Finally they have a much more successful manager like Luis Enrique now but the problem is that his game plan is quite different. I'm really curious about what they will do next season with this new system and without the same trio as well.

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