⚽ Premier League 2024/2025 Discussion Thread ⚽

[Altryist]

Since the start of this season, Manchester United's highest achievement has been a draw against Fulham. In the Premier League, Manchester United finished 16th. And in the EFL Cup, they even lost to a small club, Grimsby Town F.C., a top-four finisher in Football League 2.

This is truly embarrassing.

They even drew in the EFL Cup, but ultimately lost on penalties. And it was a 12-11 goals. This is truly, truly bizarre.

Now that Manchester United is out of the Champions League and will focus on the English Premier League, they certainly should have aimed for the best possible result in the Cup as well. Losing to a fourth-division team right at the start is a huge blow to Amorim’s reputation. It shows that the team is currently not competitive, this is a weak opponent they should have beaten comfortably, yet they barely managed a draw, and then lost in a long penalty shootout. I don’t even know what to say, it seems the team’s spirit is very low right now, and it looks like Amorim is unable to fix it.

[Alpha Marine]

Adding to another possible reason of seeing Arsenal the way he saw them is because there is a competition, some players who wants to wass strong puts a club they have to prove there performance a lot as a reason why they choose them, Eze is someone with a record that needs vibrant stars to unravel things about himself. His presence on Arsenal will future attracts more consideration than some other players on his position, I think currently Martin Odegaard and Ethan Nwaneri are some of the good Arsenal midfielders but Eberechi is another good and positive figure of that midfield even if is not now but definitely later.

I don't think it has anything to do with competition. Arsenal is simply a bigger club than Tottenham. Arsenal also have a better project than Tottenham. At Arsenal, he can play as a left winger and as an Attacking midfielder. He made the right decision choosing Arsenal.
Eze is a good player, and I wonder how Crystal Palace were able to keep him for that long. From the moment I watched him and Olise, I knew they would leave Crystal Palace for bigger teams. I'm really happy for him.

After the game I had to remember Amorim’s post match statement that after playing Arsenal they now realize that they are good enough to win any premier league side only to struggle against Fulham lol very delusional manager. Manchester United only played so well because it was the first game of the season, they are back to default settings again.

Amorim is not a good coach. I don't know how Man United fired Ten Hag, which was the right decision btw, then go ahead to hire someone worse. The way he lines up his team alone is enough reason to show that he is not a good coach. He is not good enough for a big team. I think United just need to start looking for a replacement and this time they should hire an experienced manager who can handle a top team.

[ibuddy122505]

Since the start of this season, Manchester United's highest achievement has been a draw against Fulham. In the Premier League, Manchester United finished 16th. And in the EFL Cup, they even lost to a small club, Grimsby Town F.C., a top-four finisher in Football League 2.

This is truly embarrassing.

They even drew in the EFL Cup, but ultimately lost on penalties. And it was a 12-11 goals. This is truly, truly bizarre.

Now that Manchester United is out of the Champions League and will focus on the English Premier League, they certainly should have aimed for the best possible result in the Cup as well. Losing to a fourth-division team right at the start is a huge blow to Amorim’s reputation. It shows that the team is currently not competitive, this is a weak opponent they should have beaten comfortably, yet they barely managed a draw, and then lost in a long penalty shootout. I don’t even know what to say, it seems the team’s spirit is very low right now, and it looks like Amorim is unable to fix it.

Team's spirit is very low that's for sure, and none can expected a 4th division side Grimsby Town eliminate Man United, just can't imagine! Man United should’ve easily won, but barely managing a draw before losing in penalties. They're struggling, but ManU need to regroup fast for the Premier League. If this continues, more surprises could follow but not the good kind. Fans are frustrated, and the pressure's mounting on.

[Tipstar]

Since the start of this season, Manchester United's highest achievement has been a draw against Fulham. In the Premier League, Manchester United finished 16th. And in the EFL Cup, they even lost to a small club, Grimsby Town F.C., a top-four finisher in Football League 2.

This is truly embarrassing.

They even drew in the EFL Cup, but ultimately lost on penalties. And it was a 12-11 goals. This is truly, truly bizarre.

Now that Manchester United is out of the Champions League and will focus on the English Premier League, they certainly should have aimed for the best possible result in the Cup as well. Losing to a fourth-division team right at the start is a huge blow to Amorim’s reputation. It shows that the team is currently not competitive, this is a weak opponent they should have beaten comfortably, yet they barely managed a draw, and then lost in a long penalty shootout. I don’t even know what to say, it seems the team’s spirit is very low right now, and it looks like Amorim is unable to fix it.

Team's spirit is very low that's for sure, and none can expected a 4th division side Grimsby Town eliminate Man United, just can't imagine! Man United should’ve easily won, but barely managing a draw before losing in penalties. They're struggling, but ManU need to regroup fast for the Premier League. If this continues, more surprises could follow but not the good kind. Fans are frustrated, and the pressure's mounting on.

Teams comes and goes. Unlike the clubs in past, there are no more sense of locality in clubs. There's no local ownership or strict requirement to have local players. Clubs has became an investment where investors seeks good ROI. Manchester United have failed in management, even after being such a rich club has failed to procure a good coach and players that align with the coach's goal. They have low grade players with no personal responsibility who blames other circumstances for their own failure.
There's no chance for ManU to regroup now. The best they could do is create a whole new team with an new coach and win the EFL title to be a good team a couple of years later.

[pawel7777]

Man United getting eliminated from the EFL cup by Grimsby Town, a club from League Two (so 3 tiers below the Premier League) is all over the news in the UK.
Of course, the EFL is not Amorim's priority, but I don't think they intended to give up the game. Definitely not when the team's performance is questionable and people start expressing doubts about whether Amorim knows what he's doing and whether he's the right man for the job.
To be fair to Man United, they did dominate the game in terms of shots on goal and ball possession, but they struggled to find the way to the net and it backfired on them. Onana's mistake with the 2nd goal for Grimsby didn't help either.
If they don't earn 3 points against Burnley (at home) this Saturday, I think the club owners might lose their patience and could start looking for Amorim's replacement. But it's not like they have any suitable candidates available anyway.

[len01]

Liverpool vs Arsenal

Many are looking forward to this big match, and Liverpool should have a better chance of winning. Arsenal are currently dealing with injuries to several key players such as Saka, Odegaard, and Kai Havertz. It looks like these players will be absent in the upcoming match, which gives Liverpool, as the home team, a good opportunity to win.

What do you think? Is Arsenal still confident enough to hold Liverpool to a draw or even try to beat them?"

[Pandu Geddon]

Liverpool vs Arsenal

Many are looking forward to this big match, and Liverpool should have a better chance of winning. Arsenal are currently dealing with injuries to several key players such as Saka, Odegaard, and Kai Havertz. It looks like these players will be absent in the upcoming match, which gives Liverpool, as the home team, a good opportunity to win.

What do you think? Is Arsenal still confident enough to hold Liverpool to a draw or even try to beat them?"

Arsenal and Liverpool performed well in their first two matches. However, Arsenal has not conceded any goals in both matches, while Liverpool has conceded 4 times in 2 matches. These matches are certainly anticipated by Premier League fans. I believe Liverpool will also be favored, and they are more prepared for this match. Although Arsenal certainly does not want to lose, and feels pressured.
I am still not sure about the outcome, but given Arsenal's current situation, it is likely that Arsenal will struggle and their best result will be a draw.

[DanWalker]

Man United getting eliminated from the EFL cup by Grimsby Town, a club from League Two (so 3 tiers below the Premier League) is all over the news in the UK.
Of course, the EFL is not Amorim's priority, but I don't think they intended to give up the game. Definitely not when the team's performance is questionable and people start expressing doubts about whether Amorim knows what he's doing and whether he's the right man for the job.
To be fair to Man United, they did dominate the game in terms of shots on goal and ball possession, but they struggled to find the way to the net and it backfired on them. Onana's mistake with the 2nd goal for Grimsby didn't help either.
If they don't earn 3 points against Burnley (at home) this Saturday, I think the club owners might lose their patience and could start looking for Amorim's replacement. But it's not like they have any suitable candidates available anyway.

yeah it is cruel to be kicked out by League Two Grimsby.  A startling Onana error & 2 late goal before they crashed out in penalties were part of that 12-11 penalty shootout loss following a 2-2 draw.  However in practice firing someone after a single subpar outcome is harsh, particularly when there is not a clear successor with the capacity to temporarily rebuild.  Amorim acknowledges that everything went wrong & promises to make things right.  Jumping ship now says more about panic than strategic planning but Burnley at home is a must win to calm the chaos.

[Proty]

Liverpool vs Arsenal

Many are looking forward to this big match, and Liverpool should have a better chance of winning. Arsenal are currently dealing with injuries to several key players such as Saka, Odegaard, and Kai Havertz. It looks like these players will be absent in the upcoming match, which gives Liverpool, as the home team, a good opportunity to win.

What do you think? Is Arsenal still confident enough to hold Liverpool to a draw or even try to beat them?"

To be frankly speaking, the match will definitely be a very strong match for Arsenal if it happens that those players are absent for long. You can't really talk of Arsenal attackers without mentioning saka and odegaard , they have a major role to play in the attack so without there presents there is going to be loopholes in arsenal attack, there attacking force will definitely reduce. Liverpool is a team that doesn't joke when they are Playing in arnfield, especially with the kind of performance they have been shown lately.
However, arsenal defense is very strong the possibility of draw can't be undermine.

[asriloni]

Liverpool vs Arsenal

Many are looking forward to this big match, and Liverpool should have a better chance of winning. Arsenal are currently dealing with injuries to several key players such as Saka, Odegaard, and Kai Havertz. It looks like these players will be absent in the upcoming match, which gives Liverpool, as the home team, a good opportunity to win.

What do you think? Is Arsenal still confident enough to hold Liverpool to a draw or even try to beat them?"

Yes, Arsenal is confident enough to hold Liverpool, why not? They have proper squad even to beat Liverpool. I rated them to be in the same level as Liverpool. So draw is most likely to happen, and i hope it happen. Only a bit worry about they most probably play without Saka.

As for the bet, i will be picking picking BTTS in this one. i believe these clubs have competence to score each other. So BTTS is also having big probability to happen. Only feel not confident enough because of draw 0-0 can also happen if they're all playing safely without intention to score.

I hope to see them to score each other.

[WatChe]

Now that Manchester United is out of the Champions League and will focus on the English Premier League, they certainly should have aimed for the best possible result in the Cup as well. Losing to a fourth-division team right at the start is a huge blow to Amorim’s reputation. It shows that the team is currently not competitive, this is a weak opponent they should have beaten comfortably, yet they barely managed a draw, and then lost in a long penalty shootout. I don’t even know what to say, it seems the team’s spirit is very low right now, and it looks like Amorim is unable to fix it.

Manchester United is out of League Cup after losing to fourth-tier team i.e. Grimsby Town. Surprisingly, Grimsby was winning the game until 75th minute when Bryan Mbeumo scored first goal for his side followed by an equaliser in 88th minute by Harry Maguire. The question is, if United can't beat a fourth-tier team then how they will survive in EPL where competition is at it's peak. United still looking for win in new season of EPL and it looks like they will repeat what they have done last season. 

[Baki202]

Now that Manchester United is out of the Champions League and will focus on the English Premier League, they certainly should have aimed for the best possible result in the Cup as well. Losing to a fourth-division team right at the start is a huge blow to Amorim’s reputation. It shows that the team is currently not competitive, this is a weak opponent they should have beaten comfortably, yet they barely managed a draw, and then lost in a long penalty shootout. I don’t even know what to say, it seems the team’s spirit is very low right now, and it looks like Amorim is unable to fix it.

This is not even a new thing because Manchester United does not even have stability they have been very unsecured of there own positions and even the premier league they won't do anything good so there is no assurance that they will do something tangle even in the premier league. They don't have any reputation to protect over there and how Manchester United turned like this is just funny because I expected them to do more. And that club just have a lot of complication because them playing. And Manchester United having 8 shots on target and scored only two out of 8 so there is nothing much to even expect but they played well even if the game ended draw but since everything is just starting new we should not expect anything much from them. This season but look at Chelsea. Amorim would find it very hard to fix. Because that's the club is already looking like something that's going to very hard to fix.

[Abu-Naim]

Liverpool vs Arsenal

Many are looking forward to this big match, and Liverpool should have a better chance of winning. Arsenal are currently dealing with injuries to several key players such as Saka, Odegaard, and Kai Havertz. It looks like these players will be absent in the upcoming match, which gives Liverpool, as the home team, a good opportunity to win.

What do you think? Is Arsenal still confident enough to hold Liverpool to a draw or even try to beat them?"

I am not seeing this match as a defeat for Arsenal despite the fact that some of their key players are injured, because Arsenal have squad depth to complete for the title this season, so if they lose to Liverpool because of injuries to Saka and Odegard, it means they haven’t changed and they will never win the league like that.

However, with the players Arsenal have signed so far, I am having confidence in Arsenal squad that they can do better this season and I think Liverpool is also not strong enough to defeat Arsenal because their defense is not too strong and Arsenal defense is stronger than many defensive lines in the Premier League. Therefore, Arsenal can get at least one point out of the game.

[Sandra_hakeem]

I believe y'all thought, just like I did that this season will be better for United, but look what's already happening in the first few games of the premier League and other competitions like the EFL. Were

Imagine what happened gainst Fulham; united weren't able to break through their defensive line. I don't see Amorim as the perfect manager for the team this season because with the new recruitment, the club still finds it difficult to win matches and score goals, which is not supposed to be so.

They don't have any reputation to protect over there and how Manchester United turned like this is just funny because I expected them to do more. And that club just have a lot of complication because them playing.

Rebuilding the team would take nothing from an experienced coach, and I can bet my last dime on it. Amorim is not suitable to be considered a football coach -- I don't even think he has any business on the pitch!

[Smartvirus]

Liverpool vs Arsenal

Many are looking forward to this big match, and Liverpool should have a better chance of winning. Arsenal are currently dealing with injuries to several key players such as Saka, Odegaard, and Kai Havertz. It looks like these players will be absent in the upcoming match, which gives Liverpool, as the home team, a good opportunity to win.

What do you think? Is Arsenal still confident enough to hold Liverpool to a draw or even try to beat them?"

It’s funny you had to bring Kai Havertz in this, yeah his got some credibility in Arsenal but excuse me, I don’t find home to be a very inportant piece to the team. Saka is and would be missed in that game for sure. Still, I don’t think it’s a game where Liverpool would have it easy, not easy in fact, the best result that could come off this fixture is a draw. Liverpool doesn’t really look like the winning team but, it would be a lot of advantage for them in the league if they could manage it, win their first big match this reason.

[len01]

It’s funny you had to bring Kai Havertz in this, yeah his got some credibility in Arsenal but excuse me, I don’t find home to be a very inportant piece to the team.

At first, I thought that if Kai Havertz wasn’t injured, he could be a substitute in case something bad happened. Because I’m sure all Arsenal players would work harder and use up more energy. So if Kai Havertz wasn’t injured, he could replace Gyokeres in the second half to keep the main players’ fitness preserved. But it seems like Gyokeres had to play the full match in that game.

Saka is and would be missed in that game for sure. Still, I don’t think it’s a game where Liverpool would have it easy, not easy in fact, the best result that could come off this fixture is a draw.

It makes sense that the match could end in a draw even without Saka. From the rumors I’ve seen, Madueke is likely to replace Saka’s position, and I think Madueke is quite good and reliable. After that, Martinelli will be in the LW position. With that, the Arsenal squad is still strong enough to put up a fight against Liverpool.

[bitcoin_mining]

Since the start of this season, Manchester United's highest achievement has been a draw against Fulham. In the Premier League, Manchester United finished 16th. And in the EFL Cup, they even lost to a small club, Grimsby Town F.C., a top-four finisher in Football League 2.

This is truly embarrassing.

They even drew in the EFL Cup, but ultimately lost on penalties. And it was a 12-11 goals. This is truly, truly bizarre.

Now that Manchester United is out of the Champions League and will focus on the English Premier League, they certainly should have aimed for the best possible result in the Cup as well. Losing to a fourth-division team right at the start is a huge blow to Amorim’s reputation. It shows that the team is currently not competitive, this is a weak opponent they should have beaten comfortably, yet they barely managed a draw, and then lost in a long penalty shootout. I don’t even know what to say, it seems the team’s spirit is very low right now, and it looks like Amorim is unable to fix it.

Manchester United were out of the Champions League competition last season but still they could not finish the season at a good level in the points table as expected by the fans. The fans have been enduring such poor performances of Manchester United for several seasons, but still Manchester United fans accept these things and expect that their team will perform well at some point.

Last season, Manchester United had a chance to win the European League title but they were defeated by Tottenham in the final match. It was a really difficult result for Manchester United. The current situation of the Manchester United team does not seem to suggest that Manchester United will be able to stay in a good position in the English Premier League this season.

Manchester United has already played a total of three matches in the Premier League where they have not been able to win any match so far, meaning that they have already moved a lot towards themselves in the points table at the beginning.

[slapper]

Liverpool vs Arsenal

Many are looking forward to this big match, and Liverpool should have a better chance of winning. Arsenal are currently dealing with injuries to several key players such as Saka, Odegaard, and Kai Havertz. It looks like these players will be absent in the upcoming match, which gives Liverpool, as the home team, a good opportunity to win.

What do you think? Is Arsenal still confident enough to hold Liverpool to a draw or even try to beat them?"

Liverpool ought to be favorites, but I would not dismiss Arsenal as "done" just because Saka/Odegaard/Havertz are out. Liverpool have scored 7 goals with an expected goal value of 2.9. That does not last forever. If you were to cool that streak, Liverpool's profile is a team that concedes 2 goals per game and generates approximately 1.45 xG/game. This seems fragile to me. Arsenal, despite their loss, retain Martinelli, a £60m player capable of playing through pressure, and Gyokeres, who literally scored a brace on 1.3 xG last time out. That is transitional weaponry that will be very much at home in Anfield, where Liverpool's improvised right-back (Szoboszlai/Bradley, Frimpong out) will be put to the test. Arsenal is not in control of the game as they are with Odegaard/Saka. However, ironically, they are pushed into a pattern (a compact 4-4-2 and fast verticals) that directly strikes Slot in the weak areas (the transition coverage lag in that new double pivot)

I do not see a draw as ridiculous. I actually think Arsenal's best chance in years at Anfield is exactly in this "injury crisis" moment

[Roseline492]

Adding to another possible reason of seeing Arsenal the way he saw them is because there is a competition, some players who wants to wass strong puts a club they have to prove there performance a lot as a reason why they choose them, Eze is someone with a record that needs vibrant stars to unravel things about himself. His presence on Arsenal will future attracts more consideration than some other players on his position, I think currently Martin Odegaard and Ethan Nwaneri are some of the good Arsenal midfielders but Eberechi is another good and positive figure of that midfield even if is not now but definitely later.

I don't think it has anything to do with competition. Arsenal is simply a bigger club than Tottenham. Arsenal also have a better project than Tottenham. At Arsenal, he can play as a left winger and as an Attacking midfielder. He made the right decision choosing Arsenal.
Eze is a good player, and I wonder how Crystal Palace were able to keep him for that long. From the moment I watched him and Olise, I knew they would leave Crystal Palace for bigger teams. I'm really happy for him.

The competition was not in comparison between Arsenal and Tottenham Hotspur because Arsenal is always a team that has good table number than Tottenham Hotspur and it was just last season Tottenham Hotspur won the trophy that masterminded all this performance so actually players competition was the point of my observation he choose them, a player can reject being signed by Manchester United but not in Arsenal in most cases because they will not struggle for there main other qualification. I'm sure the outmost sphere crystal Palace gave him was why he was longer with them but now Arsenal is his home and was welcome as a player they were more than to have.

[DiMarxist]

there are some Rumours in football i do not give attention, i will just view the headlines and pass. Liverpool bidding for Mbappe is not out of place, because every clubs need him in their team. but the possibility for mbappe to leave psg to Liverpool that is not playing champions league is very slim. Mbbappe can only leave Psg to Manchester united and Real madrid and not to any club that's not in champions league.

Arsenal are also interested in Mbappe, since Mbappe has not sign a new contract for Psg, every clubs are observing the situation kindly. one thing issure, mbappe will not be playing in psg next season if he do not extend his contract. by next year he will be free agent and they will lose more. Pgs has to be rational about the situation.

Like avoiding such rumours  Because despite Mbappe being offered so much money, he is only thinking of leaving PSG with the hope of winning the Champions League trophy and the Ballon d'Or, why would he sign for that money with a team like Liverpool who have not already qualified for the Champions League? The biggest and most likely of all the rumors is Mbappé's move to Real Madrid. If Mbappe does decide to switch clubs, he is most likely to join Real Madrid. And this possibility may be true. Also I don't think Mbappe can join Liverpool.

You're absolutely right. Mbappé has made it clear that his priority is winning the Champions League and the Ballon d'Or, and Real Madrid offers the best platform for both. A move to Liverpool, especially without UCL football, seems very unlikely regardless of the money involved. Madrid feels like the most realistic destination if he leaves PSG.