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January 04, 2015, 06:59:22 PM
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Even the miners there are questioning what is happening with CM.  Missing payouts, Terk being absent, etc.  I don't understand how anyone could run a pool like that and continue to gain miners.

CM has a single point of failure (Terk went missing)? Oh, yes, please. Let CM drop from the planet.

That would be a nice new year's gift!
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January 04, 2015, 07:42:26 PM
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/GJ, you said the large-wave and DIGI functions of the simulator would be about a day's work.  Have you been able complete it yet?  Not rushing, just haven't seen an update.  If not, my offer is still on the table- I'll contact the DIGI devs and ask them to write the custom DIGI code for NLG.  Let me know if you want to go that route.

I made great progress on the sim, I have added export to csv (excel) and am working on the simulations (large wave, jump pool).

Implementing Digi in NLG isn't even that much work, no need to ask the Digi dev's to do that for us.
What IS a lot of work is proving that Digi will actually protect us from a jumping pool, that's why we need to run these simulations. We need prove that the algorithm adjusts properly, and we must be able to explain HOW and WHY the algorithm is adjusting properly.


Good work, GJ. Might I ask again about Nite's DGW? What would be the problem with that algo? I don't remember if this was looked into or not, just a few posts of discussion. When I was mining UFO coin before the switch from scrypt to neoscrypt, it worked great.

Fuse, maybe you could run a week long sim on that algo for haha's?

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January 05, 2015, 09:17:37 AM
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1. Uitdaging
Inmiddels is iedereen van onze uitdaging op de hoogte, dit is al lange tijd aan de gang en nu is het clevermining, maar iedere andere multipool kan dit natuurlijk ook doen.

2. DGW3
Nadat we erachter kwamen dat DGW3 niet hielp, is Geert-Johan aan de slag gegaan met de simulator. Een simulator waarmee hij bestaande, maar ook zelf-ontwikkelde algo’s kan testen. Deze simulator ontwikkeld hij volledig zelf, het is geen kant-en-klaar pakket. Dit is dus veel werk en kost veel tijd.

3. Simulator
De eerste versie van de simulator is klaar en staat op Github, hier kunnen ontwikkelaars dus al mee aan de slag. Uiteraard is Geert-Johan ook verder gegaan met ontwikkelen van de simulator.

4. Wanneer?
Er zijn een heleboel vragen over wanneer deze ontwikkeling klaar is, helaas is daar geen antwoord op. Dat klinkt misschien bot, maar het is het enige eerlijke antwoord. We weten het niet. Het is klaar wanneer het klaar is. Gaat het een oplossing opleveren? Ja.

5. Opensource
De Guldencoin source is voor iedereen beschikbaar, iedereen kan ermee aan de slag en op zoek naar een oplossing. Wij hebben een bepaald pad gekozen (simulator en dan eigen algo), maar een andere ontwikkelaar kan natuurlijk voor een ander pad kiezen. Uiteindelijk bepalen we met z’n alleen wat er geïmplementeerd moet worden, decentraal. Wij zijn niet de baas of verantwoordelijke instantie.

6. Verantwoordelijk
Jij bent verantwoordelijk en de rest van de community. Als jullie zeggen dat wij iets moeten implementeren, dan doen wij dat. Zo gaat dat ook met DIGI, maar Geert-Johan kijkt gelukkig naar de code voordat hij iets implementeert. En in dit geval zag hij dat er dingen niet klopte, dingen die hadden gezorgd voor grote problemen. Veel groter dan de uitdaging die we nu hebben. Maar nu kan Geert-Johan natuurlijk niet zomaar zeggen, het klopt niet. Hij moet het onderbouwen en bespreken met degene die de code heeft aangeleverd, Fuse in dit geval. Na dit gesprek is er besloten deze code niet te implementeren, maar verder uit te werken.

7. Decentraal
Stel Geert-Johan had niet naar de code gekeken, of hij had niet ontdekt dat de code niet goed was, dan hadden we dit geïmplementeerd. Omdat de community erom vroeg, het is decentraal dus de meerderheid beslist. Heel simpel. Besef dus goed dat er grote verantwoordelijkheid bij komt kijken. Iedereen heeft die verantwoordelijkheid, jij beslist mee over de toekomst van Guldencoin.

8. Wat nu?
Geert-Johan gaat verder met de simulator en neemt nu ook DIGI mee bij het testen, als daar uitkomt dat DIGI de oplossing is, dan wordt dat natuurlijk geïmplementeerd. Als DIGI niet de oplossing is, gaat Geert-Johan verder met het ontwikkelen van ons eigen algo. Dit is het pad wat wij volgen en volgens ons is dit de enige oplossing. Let op, dit is volgens ons. Andere ontwikkelaars kunnen natuurlijk ook aan de slag, uiteindelijk beslist de community.

9. Communicatie
Ook daar zijn veel vragen over, met als meestgestelde: Wanneer is het klaar? Dat kan ik me goed voorstellen, maar helaas is het antwoord kort: wanneer het klaar is. Zo is het nou eenmaal. Ik heb Geert-Johan gevraagd om alleen te focussen op de ontwikkeling en niet op updates. Hij kan niet aangeven wanneer het klaar is, maar wel dat hij het gaat oplossen. Mogelijk kunnen andere ontwikkelaars dit wel aangeven en een duidelijke roadmap verstrekken.

10. Samenvatting
Wij zijn een klein onderdeel van Guldencoin, ontwikkelen op onze manier voor Guldencoin. Wij gaan het multipool probleem oplossen, maar kunnen niet aangeven hoe lang dit duurt. Guldencoin is decentraal, wij luisteren naar de meerderheid. Iedereen kan werken aan de oplossing.


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1. Challenge
By now everyone is up to date on the challenge we face, this has been going on for a while and at the moment we’re facing Clevermining, but any other multipool can do this.

2. DGW3
When we found out that DGW3 didn’t help, Geert-Johan started to work on the simulator. A simulator used to test existing, but also self-developed, algorithms. He is developing this simulator from the ground up, it is not some simulator that is already ready. This takes a lot of work and time.

3. Simulator
The first version of the simulator is ready and is available on Github, other developers can use this simulator now too. Geert-Johan continued work on the simulator of course.

4. When?
There are a lot of questions about when the development will be ready, unfortunately there is no answer for that question. That might sound rude, but it is the only honest answer. We don’t know. It’s done when it’s done. Is it going to provide a solution? Yes.

5. Opensource
Guldencoin source is available for everyone, anyone can get to work and find a solution. We have chosen a certain path (simulator and then our own algo), but another developer can choose a different path. Eventually we all dictate what is implemented into the code, decentral. We, the team, are not the boss or responsible institution.

6. Responsibility
You are responsible and the rest of the community. If you say that we have to implement something, we will. That is what’s happening with DIGI, but Geert-Johan looks at the code before he implements something. And in this case he saw that some things didn’t add up, things that could’ve caused bigger problems. Bigger than we’re facing now. But Geert-Johan can’t just say that something isn’t right. He needs to present proof and discuss this with the person that delivered the code, in this case Fuse. After this conversation it was decided not to implement this code, but further development was chosen.

7. Decentral
If Geert-Johan didn’t look at the code, or hadn’t discovered that the code wasn’t good, we would’ve implemented it. Because the community asked for it, it is decentral, so the majority decides. Very simple. Realize that this comes with huge responsibility. Everyone has that responsibility, you help decide Guldencoin’s future.

8. What now?
Geert-Johan is continuing work on the simulator and will test DIGI too, if the outcome says that DIGI is the solution, that will be implemented. If DIGI is not the solution, Geert-Johan will continue the development of the custom algorithm. This is the path that we are following and is, according to us, the only solution. Note, according to us. Other developers can look for a different solution, in the end the community decides.

9. Communication
There are a lot of questions about this, with most frequently: When is it done? I can understand that, but unfortunately the answer is short: when it’s done. That’s the way it is. I have asked Geert-Johan to just focus on development and not on updates. He can’t say when it’ll be done, but he will solve it. Maybe other developers can give this information and present a specific roadmap.

10. Summary
We are a tiny part of Guldencoin, developing our own way for Guldencoin. We are solving the multipool issue, but we can’t say how long it will take. Guldencoin is decentral, we listen to the majority.

Everyone can help find a solution.

Nice to hear from you again Rijk happy new year!
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January 05, 2015, 10:16:22 AM
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Most algorithms that are widely used are subject to multipools.

I would suggest a chain fork onto a less widely used algorithm, take for instance Momentum, or Onecoin version of scrypt-jane. These are great algorithms and if put together with a reasonable difficulty adjustment system can prove pretty great and resilient. Also use of these algos, promotes solo-mining which is the essence of decentralization.

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    /GJ, you said the large-wave and DIGI functions of the simulator would be about a day's work.  Have you been able complete it yet?  Not rushing, just haven't seen an update.  If not, my offer is still on the table- I'll contact the DIGI devs and ask them to write the custom DIGI code for NLG.  Let me know if you want to go that route.

    I made great progress on the sim, I have added export to csv (excel) and am working on the simulations (large wave, jump pool).

    Great progress, GJ. Almost there I think.

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    What IS a lot of work is proving that Digi will actually protect us from a jumping pool..

    When no pressure from CM atm, this would be big fun to do: Testing and analysing. Now there is pressure from CM, nevertheless testing itself will be the most important thing to do soon. The testing of different options with the simulator will take some time but the most important thing. The analysing of the output is most important.

    So what some people (read helping devs) can do now until the sim is full ready, to save some time, is brainstorm on the parameters and different algo's that seems to be best (in theory) and then test it when the simulator can test with big waves and pooljumps. Not only DIGI, I think, but it is a good start and maybe the best after looking back, but testing more options is preferable. I think the 2,5 minute blocktime is of big influence on retargetting, no matter which algo is being used, but that is based on gut feeling.

    Looking back on discussions past weeks is that 2 options have been discussed already, Digishield and adjusted DGW3

    1) Suggestions on Digishield.
    • reducing the block time to 75sec cuts transaction times by greater than 50%, speeding up transactions
    • reducing the block reward to 500NLG maintains the current number of NLG minted per 24hrs
    • increases the number of diff increments by 100% per 24hrs, from 576 to 1152
    • reduces the number of blocks a high-hash-rate attacking miner/multipool can mint by 80%
    • these changes support the community vision of NLG becoming a daily use currency
    • the only down side of this proposal is that the block chain storage requirement would double, but still be less than most alt-coins

    2) DGW3 with adjusted parameters.
    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=554412.msg9278554#msg9278554

    Let the analysing be a fun part of this process, although it takes some time. When the best solution is there it will be highly rewarding.[/list]
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    January 05, 2015, 01:04:05 PM
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    it's a lot of work http://www.guldencoinlinks.nl

    it's not finish
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    it's a lot of work http://www.guldencoinlinks.nl

    it's not finish

    The topsection looks great.  Smiley The free bitcoin banner is a bit of a disturbing factor? I know perfecting a look of a website takes a lot of time in trials, but its getting better and better, Bram! Compliments!
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    January 05, 2015, 01:34:47 PM
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    Bitsms: Cryptocurrency via text message (SMS)
    Bitsms is a texting platform for cryptocurrency launched late August 2014. You can send regular text messages to anyone’s mobile phone (or to 100 people in one go if you prefer) and pay for it with Bitcoin, Darkcoin, Guldencoin or Sterlingcoin. But you can also send the aforementioned cryptocurrencies as a gift via sms to anyone’s smartphone along with a personal message.



    The price was lowered from €0,21 (+- $0,26) to €0,15 (+- $0,19) per sms. As we were able to negotiate a better deal with our provider which allowed us to lower the price per text for the third time in 3 months.  

    Now these improvements have been implemented we’re going to expand the check-out system and we are building an API for further use by third-parties such as Bitcoin ATM’s, (online) wallets, pools and many other uses. We’re always trying to add new features, so stay tuned for our upcoming ones!

    Feel free to send suggestions and stay in touch through Twitter by following @bitsmscom.
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    it's a lot of work http://www.guldencoinlinks.nl

    it's not finish

    The topsection looks great.  Smiley The free bitcoin banner is a bit of a disturbing factor? I know perfecting a look of a website takes a lot of time in trials, but its getting better and better, Bram! Compliments!

    thanks for the compliment http://www.guldencoinlinks.nl/betalen.html
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    Bitsms: Cryptocurrency via text message (SMS)
    Bitsms is a texting platform for cryptocurrency launched late August 2014. You can send regular text messages to anyone’s mobile phone (or to 100 people in one go if you prefer) and pay for it with Bitcoin, Darkcoin, Guldencoin or Sterlingcoin. But you can also send the aforementioned cryptocurrencies as a gift via sms to anyone’s smartphone along with a personal message.



    The price was lowered from €0,21 (+- $0,26) to €0,15 (+- $0,19) per sms. As we were able to negotiate a better deal with our provider which allowed us to lower the price per text for the third time in 3 months.  

    Now these improvements have been implemented we’re going to expand the check-out system and we are building an API for further use by third-parties such as Bitcoin ATM’s, (online) wallets, pools and many other uses. We’re always trying to add new features, so stay tuned for our upcoming ones!

    Feel free to send suggestions and stay in touch through Twitter by following @bitsmscom.

    This is so sexy, good to have sterlingcoin on here too. Love the guldencoin community!
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    i like Bitsms !
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    January 05, 2015, 07:14:00 PM
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    http://guldencoin.network  offline?
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    January 05, 2015, 07:24:14 PM
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    i think so
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    So it is not offline, think it just stopped for some reason?

    Maybe Frais can explain how and what?

    <edit>Same counts for http://howtobuyguldencoins.com/</edit>

    Strange?!?!?!  Huh

    <edit>User 'Frais' has blocked your personal message.</edit>

    No PM's possible. So something is very wrong here I suppose...

    https://www.guldenweb.com - Het laatste nieuws over Gulden
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    i have no idea

    may bay a reaction from Frais?
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    January 05, 2015, 09:41:57 PM
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    I've had time to reflect on the changes I posted, the things /GJ noted, and I've come to some conclusions. People are not going to like what I'm about to say, but I'm going to say it anyway to get it off my chest.

    6. Responsibility You are responsible and the rest of the community. If you say that we have to implement something, we will. That is what’s happening with DIGI, but Geert-Johan looks at the code before he implements something. And in this case he saw that some things didn’t add up, things that could’ve caused bigger problems. Bigger than we’re facing now. But Geert-Johan can’t just say that something isn’t right. He needs to present proof and discuss this with the person that delivered the code, in this case Fuse. After this conversation it was decided not to implement this code, but further development was chosen.

    It's the exact reason I asked Rijk to double-check the code on his end(/GJ). I knew the code was alpha. It wasn't catastrophically incorrect though.

    The problems Rijk mentions is that the line in the code we used to adjust the difficulty(albeit incorrectly) would have caused the past blocks on chain to not sync properly if you resynced. That portion of code had nothing to do with algorithm, as noted by /GJ in IRC chat. So the answer to this is to not change it from it's original version. DIGI would have reacted the same way with modified values in this block of code(the correct difficulty adjustment code):

    Code:
        if (nActualTimespan < (retargetTimespan - (retargetTimespan/4)) ) nActualTimespan = (retargetTimespan - (retargetTimespan/4));
        if (nActualTimespan > (retargetTimespan + (retargetTimespan/2)) ) nActualTimespan = (retargetTimespan + (retargetTimespan/2));


    My error wasn't catastrophic, and it could have been easily corrected. DIGI would still react similar to the graphs I provided.  We can move past this "it's done when it's done, so stop asking us about when it will be done" mantra that we've heard for 4 months now.

    /GJ could go back to working on the simulator, and proving it's results against a testnet's results. This is still paramount to it's credibility in my mind. Yes, math is math and it will never be wrong... unless it is wrong or there are variables not introduced. Relying strictly on an unproven simulator is as blind-sighted as implementing a community member's code without looking over it first.


    7. Decentral If Geert-Johan didn’t look at the code, or hadn’t discovered that the code wasn’t good, we would’ve implemented it. Because the community asked for it, it is decentral, so the majority decides. Very simple. Realize that this comes with huge responsibility. Everyone has that responsibility, you help decide Guldencoin’s future.

    No, you wouldn't have. You would have always had him look at it. That's what a smart dev would do. Additionally, if the code was in question, and a solution was needed to stem the effects of CM, the DIGI devs could be contacted to help with the custom changes. They openly announce their willingness to help coins implement DIGI. It's not because they get paid for it, it's because they know it's the algorithm that best mitigates multipool influence. But this was rejected by /GJ on a few separate occasions because "the change is not difficult". If it's not difficult, why not make it happen?

    Additionally, people are correct in that no difficulty algo right now will do that completely. No difficulty algo will do that in the foreseeable future of crypto. Yes, you could move to CPU/GPU based mining or POS, but you lose a considerable amount of community in making those changes. DIGI buys us time, and aligns us with the current era of MP mitigation. I feel like we're sitting around waiting for someone, maybe /GJ, to develop the next best algo ever. But how long is that going to take, and is NLG going to be the guinea pig for the implementation?

    But the real question here is this- if /GJ is checking community submitted work, who is checking him? This presents us with a single point of failure and acceptance. Who checked /GJ's DGW3 code results when the decision was made to implement it? I'm going to guess it was /GJ. There needs to be a second set of eyes in the code team. My code errors prove that. There always needs to be someone to check the other person's work. Who is the backup in the dev team?


    8. What now? Geert-Johan is continuing work on the simulator and will test DIGI too, if the outcome says that DIGI is the solution, that will be implemented. If DIGI is not the solution, Geert-Johan will continue the development of the custom algorithm. This is the path that we are following and is, according to us, the only solution. Note, according to us. Other developers can look for a different solution, in the end the community decides.

    Unfortunately, it's not that simple. For anything to be taken seriously now, it will have to be proven by the simulator. The simulator that hasn't been proven against testnet data yet. But the problem lies in that the simulator is in GO. Sure it's a hop, skip, and a jump away from C++, but how many people honestly know GO in this community besides the person who wrote the simulator? So where does that leave us? Again... with a single point of failure and acceptance. We can't just drop some code in to the simulator and test things. We need to port it to GO ourselves, or present it to /GJ to port it.

    There's no community involvement when the community isn't able to be involved. Yes, /GJ is a great coder... we know that. But aligning the code so he is the only coder is not the way to go.  So yes, learn GO, outsource a dev, etc etc etc.

    Fact of the matter is that /GJ had 4 months to focus on algo development. Instead of the algo change, he coded a simulator, still unproven, with an algo we've already proved doesn't work. Wouldn't it have been more productive to start with something that you would want to test, rather than something you want to move away from? DGW3 doesn't work. We don't need to know why after 4 months of dealing with it's failure. Move on to something else that does.


    9. Communication There are a lot of questions about this, with most frequently: When is it done? I can understand that, but unfortunately the answer is short: when it’s done. That’s the way it is. I have asked Geert-Johan to just focus on development and not on updates. He can’t say when it’ll be done, but he will solve it. Maybe other developers can give this information and present a specific roadmap.

    Actions will always speak louder than words.

    It took my team 1-2 weeks to change the code(yes, slightly incorrect), set up 2 pools, confirming nodes around the world, a block explorer, and test mining on a testnet. 24Kilo's 14yo son wrote a pearl script to pull data from the debug.log files to parse block data before we had a block explorer, giving us early block difficulty change data. In two weeks we were able to provided more direct effort towards making a change than we've seen in 4 months of CM rape. We got tired of waiting and we acted. I'm glad we did, regardless of the final outcome. If my team lost face with our inability to provide 100% correct code, I'm ok with that.

    So take my post as being overly critical, or angry, or short-minded, or whatever you want to take it as. To me, it's just me being honest to myself and saying what I'm thinking. Some people may not like that, but like I said, I'm in it for the long haul. Like me or hate me, my pool will continue to run, my physical coins will continue to sell, and the Criptoe team will continue to try to provide additional support to NLG in any way possible.  Just don't expect us to accept inaction... we've been waiting for 4 months too long now for this change.

    -Fuse

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    January 05, 2015, 10:22:24 PM
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    I endorse most of the arguments written by Fuse in his post.
    As a Coindev there is also a reponsibility to keep the network safe, I am missing this point in the entire discussion. The NLG network is raped by someone with all the possiblities to do any majority attack and I wonder if Rijk or Geert-Johan can guarantee some sort of majority abuse is not happening right now.
    Digi is no direct solution to such problem but it will make the coin less attractive to mine it with a lot of hashpower. It will get CM of our back and buy some time to implement an more apropriate way of recalculation.
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    "Other developers can look for a different solution, in the end the community decides." - Guldencoin

    I am in agreement with Fuse.  I believe in a team approach by many devs to implement necessary changes is the best route to follow.  In this way you evaluate all of the options and then focus on the successful implementation of your strategy. This method will allow Guldencoin to evolve in a timely manner as a premier altcoin.

    DIGI may still be the best short term solution  to lose CM and gain time to refine and test on the simulator.


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    January 05, 2015, 11:07:39 PM
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    Fuse makes VALID points. From reading how things have been posted lately, I feel he's been shunned and targetted for trying to help, and he's the only one from the outside trying to help!!! So what gives?

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    January 06, 2015, 12:17:25 AM
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    Fuse makes VALID points. From reading how things have been posted lately, I feel he's been shunned and targetted for trying to help, and he's the only one from the outside trying to help!!! So what gives?


    I'm not going to deny that the way the errors were presented weren't a little upsetting to me and my team.  When /GJ and I were discussing the issues in IRC, he asked if we should make a post about not moving forward with the change yet.  I suggested that we state that the code still needed to be worked on, improved and tested, and that my team would provide full support with testnets, hashrate, etc.  What the community got was a little different from that.  My team wasn't exactly happy about it.  We worked to provide support when support was lacking, and we made a single line code mistake that ended up causing this delay.

    That being said, I don't see it as a shunning so much as another excuse to delay a change.  /GJ said himself the only reason he's going forward with it is because the community demanded it:

    Understand that if it were up to me, we'd take more time to develop and test a better solution. But it seems the majority of the community wants to try Digishield..

    A better solution.  Not DIGI.  A better solution.

    I understand that things take time.  I understand that things need to be tested, including the validity of the simulator.  But you aren't going to find a more effective method of dealing with CM any time soon that doesn't involve a massive overhaul of the entire codebase, or an extremely long period of testing.  If you want to test DIGI against the simulator, so be it.  I'm all for seeing if it can accurately simulate real mining.  But don't delay what has already been delayed for 4 months while we wait for a tool that won't fix the issue.  And let me be clear- I wholeheartedly want the simulator to succeed.  But it's a long term project that doesn't need to be mutually exclusive of the algo change.  Fix the mistake that was made when DGW3 was implemented, and work on whatever you want to work on for the future of the coin.  In the meantime, without a code change, we're dealing with this still:



    While the code we uploaded had a small error, the algorithm was in fact providing results.  If the devs don't trust the results, I suggest they start up a testnet and test it themselves.  Or the community.  Or anyone for that matter.  Real mining data that can be quantified and examined in real-time by anyone.  Just don't sit around playing it ultra-conservative because you want to wow the community with some new innovative idea or tool.  Push forward, make the changes that need to be made and refocus on the your future goals.  This change doesn't need to be the last change this coin ever makes.  If we have to push out another update at a later time, so be it, but at least we didn't sit around while 45 million more NLG get mined by CM.


    Implementing Digi in NLG isn't even that much work, no need to ask the Digi dev's to do that for us.
    What IS a lot of work is proving that Digi will actually protect us from a jumping pool, that's why we need to run these simulations. We need prove that the algorithm adjusts properly, and we must be able to explain HOW and WHY the algorithm is adjusting properly.

    Two things I take from this post, and I could be extremely wrong, but I'm going to take a stab at it anyway.  First, DIGI isn't hard for /GJ to implement.  So he could have it done now if he really wanted to.  Second, there is already live blockchain data out there, and my "erroneous" testnet data, that proves DIGI works to mitigate jumping pools like CM.

    Why delay if you have both parts of the equation?  Just solve for X already.

    -Fuse

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