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noviapriani
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May 27, 2014, 01:54:44 AM |
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China might have its political position strengthened after this deal, but I guess, it's relationship with USA is surely going to be adversely affected... It is playing a risky game...
Washington is undoubtedly shaken by the deal... Read online that it doesn't want any other nations to do business with Moscow... Monopoly characteristics are coming out in the sun now! Washington already know that the deal was going to happen due to them alienating Russia with sanctions. They have already predicted it would happen and Russia knows it too. yea true but you know what Russia is doing now is not only 'selling' natural gas to China, it is also 'buying' China's help as a political ally. Imagine, if Russia were to be attacked, the flow of natural gas to China will be stopped. And China will definitely not want that and help Russia! |
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bryant.coleman (OP)
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May 27, 2014, 02:00:26 AM |
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yeah this is why after 10 years of fighting over prices, Russia finally agreed on a lower price. Because they know if they don't accept, they don't really have anyone rich enough left to sell their gases to due to the lack of political allies.
Russia didn't agreed to a lower price. China wanted gas at $300 per 1,000 cubic meters, almost 25% lower than the rates which Germany pays now. Russia wanted the European rates ($400 per 1,000 cubic meters). They finally agreed upon $350 to $380 per 1,000 cubic meters. |
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zolace
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May 27, 2014, 02:04:43 AM |
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Sigh. What a much better world it would be if economics are not dictated by world politics! Imagine how easy and much more beneficial would it be for people to be able to sell their resources to the highest bidder without the fear of political backlash yeah Bryant might be right about that part |
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umair127
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May 27, 2014, 02:06:02 AM |
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Sigh. What a much better world it would be if economics are not dictated by world politics! Imagine how easy and much more beneficial would it be for people to be able to sell their resources to the highest bidder without the fear of political backlash yeah Bryant might be right about that part It is clear that all these sanctions imposed on countries such as North Korea, Egypt and Russia are only hurting the world economy and the innocent civilians of these respective countries who had no say in the decisions of their political elite |
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Rigon
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May 27, 2014, 02:14:34 AM |
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Agreed that China took advantage from current situation of Russian, but Putin is a tough cookie. Well I just guess Beijing used the oil rig in the south china sea to prove that they have absolute advantage on the table: China can go forward to the south in case the gas agreement is not reached, while the east is only direction Moscow can go now.
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zolace
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May 27, 2014, 02:20:13 AM |
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$400 billion gasoline agreement – Congrats China
Too many articles on how Putin has played the West, yet this agreement also is a new punch of China to the East and the whole world as well.
Not many people believe that the oil rig China recently deployed in Asian Sea (popularly known as South China Sea), which is accompanied by many “government vessels“ (if not army ships), may find some oil in that area. But somehow, not surprisingly, the oil rig helped China to find gas at good price from Russia.
China has proved itself again... I guess within another 5-7 years, US is going to slide down and we will see China empowering itself.. Coming back to the topic, I guess now Japan and Korea will be the sufferers and they will be the ones facing tighter supply.. You are right. Soon Korea and Japan will suffer the shortage of supply as well as other political issues. Washington now has too many issues all around the world to be disturbed. |
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Rigon
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May 27, 2014, 02:31:29 AM |
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yea but I really do not think China will be able to grow that fast (i.e. 5 - 7 years). They already have lots of problems inside. I mean lots. Internationally, their biggest problem I guess is that: nobody welcome their growth as a superpower. And the west, Japan and Korea will try their best to prevent it. 5 - 7 years, no, it is not that easy.
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noviapriani
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May 27, 2014, 02:45:47 AM |
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Sigh. What a much better world it would be if economics are not dictated by world politics! Imagine how easy and much more beneficial would it be for people to be able to sell their resources to the highest bidder without the fear of political backlash yeah Bryant might be right about that part It is clear that all these sanctions imposed on countries such as North Korea, Egypt and Russia are only hurting the world economy and the innocent civilians of these respective countries who had no say in the decisions of their political elite You are absolutely right umair127 Russia is actually trying hard to expand its portfolio by making connections in Asia..Few days back, it had also got into a deal with Bahrain in regards to Investments... And it is doing absolutely right.. After all, why would it go by the rules imposed by USA... |
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zolace
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May 27, 2014, 02:47:47 AM |
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this agreement is a danger for the rest of the world since it marks a significant move in the Russia - China relationship. So far it is gas, then what? weapon, army?
They both threat the world peace because none of them respect the international laws and rules. It is not difficult to find behavior in common between what Russia did in Ukraine and China is doing the south china sea.
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bryant.coleman (OP)
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May 27, 2014, 03:22:10 AM |
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If Japan and South Korea are taken as one, the combined natural gas imports (150 billion cubic meters per year) are even higher than that of Western Europe. And another factor is that the gas consumption is increasing heavily in these two nations, while it is declining in the EU. It is a good move by Putin, as the EU has proven to be an unreliable buyer again and again. The EU deserves only expensive LNG at $600 per 1,000 cubic meter, while Japan and South Korea will get Russian gas at $350 per 1,000 cubic meter. |
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Rigon
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May 27, 2014, 03:33:05 AM |
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There is no signal that China may compromise. Since Asian has been deeply divided, Washington has too much concern around the world, especially after Ukraine, China won’t miss this chance to go further.
I don’t think this is a test for south east Asia. China already did it (and greatly succeeded) in the Asian conference last year with help of its loyal ally Cambodia. Now Beijing is testing Washington
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zolace
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May 27, 2014, 03:39:38 AM |
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If Japan and South Korea are taken as one, the combined natural gas imports (150 billion cubic meters per year) are even higher than that of Western Europe. And another factor is that the gas consumption is increasing heavily in these two nations, while it is declining in the EU. It is a good move by Putin, as the EU has proven to be an unreliable buyer again and again. The EU deserves only expensive LNG at $600 per 1,000 cubic meter, while Japan and South Korea will get Russian gas at $350 per 1,000 cubic meter. Not difficult to see that the agreement provides a part of China's demand. They need much more than that. The bigger they wanna become, more energy they will need. Do not forget that war industry consumes a huge amount of energy. |
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noviapriani
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May 27, 2014, 03:42:22 AM |
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so someone above was right, the oil rig has not finished its tasks yet. It will stay for sure, unless the world stops it. The oil rig is challenging the world.
But another thing may stop the journey of the oil rig: typhoon. Soon it will be typhoon season in south china sea. The whole world still remember how terrible typhoons in this region are, Philippine would never forget. China is obviously rich enough to maintain the oil rig and navy vessel crew there for years, but they are not rich enough to go against nature and Act of God.
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umair127
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May 27, 2014, 03:45:05 AM |
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Also Washington has recently stop its financial support for Thailand due to political issue in this country and their failure to reset a civil government.
It should be noted that Thailand did not involved positively in the south china sea issue with China. This political issue should be Asian vs China but it apparently is Philippine + Vietnam vs China. Not a smart move at all. All Asian countries should see their interest in this sea. It also shows that there nothing such as union in this region.
So the withdraw of Washington from Thailand may open opportunities of stronger support to US traditional ally Philippine and maybe new situational ally Vietnam.
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zolace
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May 27, 2014, 03:47:39 AM |
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Also another very important fact related to this deal which is yet to be authenticated, and it is that price at which the deal has been finalized is very very close to the cost of production including the transportation cost, and Russia is not going to make a lot from profit from it.. Now isn't this fishy?
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zolace
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May 27, 2014, 03:56:02 AM |
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US can't really put up sanctions against China. It is just too profitable for them to have trade relations with China. This is because of the sheer size of China and it's economy. We are talking about a country that has more than 1/7 of the world's population here. For every 7 people in the one, one of them is from China. If they put trade sanctions on China, it means they are cutting 1/7 of the world off from their trade market! How crazy would that be? @@ That is why time and again they have let China get away with its shenanigans. As long as they don't act crazy like Putin. |
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Rigon
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May 27, 2014, 03:58:53 AM |
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Someone please tell those people that if Obama could, it would be the first thing he does. Nobody wishes to stop China to become a superpower more than US does. Come one give me a break, life is not that easy. It is funny that it is even showed in the petition that 100k signatures are adequate. |
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umair127
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May 27, 2014, 04:03:31 AM |
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You guys are right. But let's look at the bigger picture here. It's not about what US says anymore. Even if US wants to stop China from becoming an economic superpower, they can't. In fact, many US companies are ACTIVELY involved in investing in China to make a profit. China also has bought ALOT of US government debts. "China stepped up its purchases of U.S. government debt late last year, increasing its holdings of Treasurys to an all-time record of $1.317 trillion in November, government data released this week revealed." http://www.foxbusiness.com/economy-policy/2014/01/16/china-now-owns-record-1317t-us-government-debt/To put this into perspective, one trillion is one million million, with 12 zeroes. = 1, 000, 000, 000, 000. US has 320 million population = 320, 000, 000. This means that every single US citizen including the babies owes China 1.317trillion usd/320million people = 4115.63 USD/person. It's very hard to fight a country that has bought so much of your debts, isn't it? |
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