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April 13, 2014, 12:10:26 PM |
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The other option would be buying that land (Alaska precedent). Given that Ukraine has a large debt, the value of that debt should be subtracted from the purchase price. I remember that recently Germany actually offered to buy some islands from Greece and write off their debt, so it seems to be an EU-approved venue.  That is exactly what Putin is going to do. May be we can fix the price at $150 / hectare. |
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April 13, 2014, 12:58:16 PM |
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The other option would be buying that land (Alaska precedent). Given that Ukraine has a large debt, the value of that debt should be subtracted from the purchase price. I remember that recently Germany actually offered to buy some islands from Greece and write off their debt, so it seems to be an EU-approved venue. That is exactly what Putin is going to do. May be we can fix the price at $150 / hectare. lol , lately the numbers you post are beginning to resemble more and more like they are taken right out of.... no offense  |
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April 13, 2014, 01:00:37 PM |
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That is exactly what Putin is going to do. May be we can fix the price at $150 / hectare.
The people of Eastern Ukraine want to join Russia anyway. Then why bother paying billions of USD to the Kiev regime? |
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April 13, 2014, 01:04:58 PM |
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The people of Eastern Ukraine want to join Russia anyway. Then why bother paying billions of USD to the Kiev regime?
Oh... well... there is no other way for the Kiev regime to pay its debt. Their new masters (EU / US) won't give them a penny. All the US is saying that they will transfer the Ukrainian debt to the US banks.  |
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April 13, 2014, 02:01:43 PM |
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That was good decision, nobody should let blackmailing happen.
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April 13, 2014, 02:57:47 PM |
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That was good decision, nobody should let blackmailing happen.
So in your country, it is perfectly OK to buy $2.5 billion worth of gas and then pay $23 million with the excuse that "we don't have any more money"? Geesh... some people never fail to amaze me. |
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April 13, 2014, 04:06:59 PM |
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Let him try to do the same in his country  cech4204a, try to ignore your gas or electricity bills for 3-6 months, then pay 1% of them and see what will happen. |
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April 13, 2014, 04:08:52 PM |
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i didn't say that not paying is o.k., did i ? Did you even read what i wrote ?
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April 13, 2014, 04:12:15 PM |
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i didn't say that not paying is o.k., did i ?
Ukraine rejects Russia Gazprom gas price hike That was good decision, nobody should let blackmailing happen.
Hm? Maybe there is something that I didn't understood, but I think it looks like an answer.  |
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April 13, 2014, 04:13:23 PM |
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i didn't say that not paying is o.k., did i ?
Ukraine rejects Russia Gazprom gas price hike That was good decision, nobody should let blackmailing happen.
Hm? I only said it's a good decision to stop blackmailing happen, not that not paying is ok. Hm ? |
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April 13, 2014, 04:19:47 PM |
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Do I understand this correctly, that any obligations to pay on time shall be considered as blackmailing? If not, then what's your understanding of blackmailing? Please don't take it personally. |
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April 13, 2014, 04:25:03 PM |
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Do I understand this correctly, that any obligations to pay on time shall be considered as blackmailing? If not, then what's your understanding of blackmailing? Please don't take it personally. no, but raising price for no obvious reason for 2X is blackmailing, specialy when you know that the thing you are selling is not replacable. |
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April 13, 2014, 04:37:18 PM |
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Do I understand this correctly, that any obligations to pay on time shall be considered as blackmailing? If not, then what's your understanding of blackmailing? Please don't take it personally. no, but raising price for no obvious reason for 2X is blackmailing, specialy when you know that the thing you are selling is not replacable. Are you joking? No payments over the last years, refusal to pay for new deliveries. |
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April 13, 2014, 04:39:16 PM |
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Do I understand this correctly, that any obligations to pay on time shall be considered as blackmailing? If not, then what's your understanding of blackmailing? Please don't take it personally. no, but raising price for no obvious reason for 2X is blackmailing, specialy when you know that the thing you are selling is not replacable. Are you joking? No payments over the last years, refusal to pay for new deliveries. If they didn't have money to pay it before, now they will have even less. |
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April 13, 2014, 04:47:58 PM |
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Well, they did have some money, until the gold reserve was looted by US. Besides, they were offered to still by on credit, but at market price.
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“Dark times lie ahead of us and there will be a time when we must choose between what is easy and what is right.”
“We are only as strong as we are united, as weak as we are divided.”
“It is important to fight and fight again, and keep fighting, for only then can evil be kept at bay, though never quite eradicated.”
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April 13, 2014, 04:53:08 PM |
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If they didn't have money to pay it before, now they will have even less.
Well.. let me get this straight. Suppose you are going to the supermarket, and you are having only $4 with you. You want to buy some fruits. On one end there are cheap oranges for $4 / kg. There are also imported oranges from Spain, which will cost you $40 / kg. Which one you'll buy? The expensive one, or the cheap one? If Ukraine doesn't have any money, then they shouldn't use the Russian gas. Period. |
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April 13, 2014, 07:12:42 PM |
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Pissing match between Russia and Ukraine, apparently there are no winners. For Russia, which damaged the images of it as the European stability and energy suppliers. For three-quarters of natural gas to be imported from Russia Ukraine, not only oneself by the Russian "expired", its only considering their own benefit also criticized by other European countries.
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April 13, 2014, 07:15:15 PM |
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For Russia, which damaged the images of it as the European stability and energy suppliers.
You know why North Stream was built? To give Europe stable supply. |
“Dark times lie ahead of us and there will be a time when we must choose between what is easy and what is right.”
“We are only as strong as we are united, as weak as we are divided.”
“It is important to fight and fight again, and keep fighting, for only then can evil be kept at bay, though never quite eradicated.”
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April 13, 2014, 07:19:31 PM |
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Does Ukraine has any choice? It looks like Putin is holding the strings.
The problem is , can they pay? Even if they want , there is no way in hell they could come with that amount out of the blue. loans.. they certainly won't allow their nation to freeze to death, the question is will they pay the Russians or acquire gas from somewhere else.. |
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April 13, 2014, 07:21:04 PM |
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Northern Europe are winners in case of supplies failure. Because they will be able to resell russian gas, which was received through North Stream. It's all a game of northern countries against southern, that's why GB&Germany are making these senseless provocations.
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