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[mtrycz]

trolls gonna troll
haters gonan hate
while this sexy motherfucker is munching on some delicious bamboo
and basically,
you're fucking stupid.

Long live PND!

[TheCoin]

Money don't grow on trees.

Ozzke almost went broke dedicate fully for PND for an extended period and it came a time he needed to pull his life back together.  The devs made many real life sacrifices to give PND a reasonably good chance to succeed.  They were great volunteers.

This does not mean those key figures won't rejoin in the future.  

Meanwhile, community can and need to continue to evolve the usefulness of PND.  

I can't put the concept any simpler.

[maxvolts]

As far as i am concerned, PND needs someone at the helm, someone that has the vision and the knowledge to gather together a new dev team, i don't know what skillset's we have in our community, but at the moment we are just going around in circles. With the odd idiot popping up talking crap with FUD.
We need a team, to start the momentum up again. This coin is without doubt salvageable, but only if as a community we react to what has happened. Draw a line in the sand and look forward, rather than back.

[maxvolts]

We should be doing all we can to work on a roadmap with MaNI and secure his services, he's wallet is the best out there, try to fund his work to move forward. We also have PhiPhi, that is extremely commited. That's the start of a dev team right there.

[rastab48]

You people need to take off the blinders. The posts from "wtf", "pndisdead", and so on are not FUD. They are perfectly valid. This coin is an investment, and every investor deserves answers. Enough of this SOON & TO THE MOON trivial childish nonsense. Either amdoge snaps out of his/her funk and organizes a new dev team with a set path and attainable goals or this coin is DEAD.

And don't give me this crap about how "the community needs to..." blah blah blah. If the community wants to put something together that's just peachy, but the sole responsibility of the success of the coin directly lies with those who created it. The community invested in the coin by buying it. I don't buy stock in Ford and then tell THEM how to build a car, that's their fucking job. Cryptos are no different.

[Pelgoran98]

And George W. Bush and Dick Cheney permanently fucked the world. Just thought this was as good a time as any to add this.

[MaNI]

Car analogies are moronic.

Anyway aside from anything else you miss the point, there is no company here, only a group of volunteers, you did not buy shares. Where do you think the previous devs e.g. Ozzke came from, do you think he came out of thin air or from the community? This coin has always been community driven the load was just not very fairly shared.
There was no IPO or premine so its not like amDOGE just went shopping and bought a dev team.

You bought coins, from a currency, a currency that happened to have some people developing it (for free) - when you bought those coins the person you bought them from got the money, not the people developing it, though even if they did the point remains you bought coins not a shareholding or a stock certificate.
The people who were making those coins valuable by doing free stuff have moved on - you can either cry and bleat about it and end up with nothing or you can help ensure the coins retain value by participating - this doesn't mean you suddenly need to become a programmer there are many other ways to add value to a coin like selling things in it or spending in it or simply participating in some way, or even heaven forbid simply keeping quiet and not making juvenile comments seeking to kill to coin like "omg pandacoin is dead".
Nobody is telling you to participate they are just saying it is an option - but rest assured if nobody partcipates then this coin will die - thankfully there is a lot going on at http://www.pandacointalk.com - which you probably haven't even bothered to check out...




If you wanted to own shares in a car company then you should have bought stock in tesla or ford, then you could have acted like a normal shareholder in a car company. If you wanted to invest in a cryptocurrency as a company then you should have found one that is a company and bought shares in it - not coins.
Do not blame others for your fundemental misunderstanding of what you are doing.

Seeing as you like absurd car analogies here is one for you, what you are doing is the equivalent of buyying a ford steering wheel (not even a car) and then throwing a tantrum when the people who make ford close down - demanding that somebody should for free re-open ford for you and do everything you want because you want your steering wheel to gain in value so you can make money.

[MaNI]

amDOGE.

I was hoping to avoid this but I see no other way, a lot of people are sticking out their necks here to defend you and you remain silent.
Many community members are putting in a lot of effort at http://www.pandacointalk.com to try find a future for the coin and you remain silent.

I'm not expecting or demanding much from you unlike some others, I don't demand that you write a long explanation or that you find a new dev team, or that you develop it all yourself. The community is doing just fine on its own, however as you can see in this forum people still see you as the main figure, and there is the matter that you are still - as far as we know the largest holder of coins and therefore the person with the most to gain if price goes up. There is also the matter that you control the community chest amongst other things which means without your participation it is very difficult for the community to salvage this situation.


Without some form of official statement from you, you make it very difficult for the community to carry on, and these constant negative messages by people will keep streaming in - and lets be honest even if they are somewhat unrealistic (like rastab) they are not unreasonable, they are based on the fact that you are completely silent.


I don't know if it is the case that you have given up on PND completely, that you are in a depression, or that you still want PND to flourish but are just too lazy or scared or something to actually do anything. (Or something else entirely)
However I can't put any more effort in while this situation remains.
I for one would like to get on with things and stop talking so here it is I am laying down an ultimatum.


-------------------------------------------------------Ultimatum to amDOGE -----------------------------------------------------------------
As the founder of this coin you have the responsibility to either try to grow this coin or hand it over to people who will, if you do nothing your inaction makes you personally responsible for people losing money. While you owe nobody anything in terms of future development by any means you must realise that this is not a time where you can just be completely silent.
I for one will no longer participate in any effort to save this coin, or defend you further, unless you either:
1) Make an official statement blessing the new community effort as the way forward, hand over the community chest to someone in the community, and donate a reasonable portion of your PND holdings to the chest so that you too are participating in trying to save the coin, if other people are putting PND forward it seems only fair that the largest stakeholder should too.
2) Become active again and work with the new community effort, make an official statement in this regard and let people know what is going to happen.

[**D!ABLO**]

This might sound crazy but my wallet won't let me send coins as it says staking, I never had this issue with any other coins.

Any suggestion to help me send the coins? Thanks.

[Argon18]

-------------------------------------------------------Ultimatum to amDOGE -----------------------------------------------------------------
As the founder of this coin you have the responsibility to either try to grow this coin or hand it over to people who will, if you do nothing your inaction makes you personally responsible for people losing money. While you owe nobody anything in terms of future development by any means you must realise that this is not a time where you can just be completely silent.
I for one will no longer participate in any effort to save this coin, or defend you further, unless you either:
1) Make an official statement blessing the new community effort as the way forward, hand over the community chest to someone in the community, and donate a reasonable portion of your PND holdings to the chest so that you too are participating in trying to save the coin, if other people are putting PND forward it seems only fair that the largest stakeholder should too.
2) Become active again and work with the new community effort, make an official statement in this regard and let people know what is going to happen.

Dude ,
Ultimatums trying to bully a Young Woman, who has not even sign on to BTCTalk since
Name:            !amDOGE/5/M
Last Active:    October 19, 2014, 03:39:16 PM
is Very Very Lame.

3 or 4 in the community need to get together and made decisions for PND,
That is all that needs to happen, realizing if they want anything New done, that they will have to pay you or someone else directly. It is not complicated , it is not even hard, it just requires someone willing to Give of their Time & Money into PND.
It does not matter what other people don't do, it only matters what the people that step up to take on the role as PND leaders.
Only Question that needs to be asked is to yourselves, are you willing to give a year or two of your life to support a coin timewise and moneywise.

Post below all that will volunteer for this job , then select a new leader and then let them lead.

Problem Solved.

If no one steps up to Lead PND,
Problem is still Solved , just not in the way most are hoping for.

Good Luck.

[mtrycz]

This might sound crazy but my wallet won't let me send coins as it says staking, I never had this issue with any other coins.

Any suggestion to help me send the coins? Thanks.

Staking means that a portion of your coins have recently staked (like less than 6 hours ago). When you put your coins to stake, it's like a kind of deposit, you can't spend it right away. You just need to wait out the time period to make them spendable again.

[donacid]

-------------------------------------------------------Ultimatum to amDOGE -----------------------------------------------------------------
As the founder of this coin you have the responsibility to either try to grow this coin or hand it over to people who will, if you do nothing your inaction makes you personally responsible for people losing money. While you owe nobody anything in terms of future development by any means you must realise that this is not a time where you can just be completely silent.
I for one will no longer participate in any effort to save this coin, or defend you further, unless you either:
1) Make an official statement blessing the new community effort as the way forward, hand over the community chest to someone in the community, and donate a reasonable portion of your PND holdings to the chest so that you too are participating in trying to save the coin, if other people are putting PND forward it seems only fair that the largest stakeholder should too.
2) Become active again and work with the new community effort, make an official statement in this regard and let people know what is going to happen.

Dude ,
Ultimatums trying to bully a Young Woman, who has not even sign on to BTCTalk since
Name:            !amDOGE/5/M
Last Active:    October 19, 2014, 03:39:16 PM
is Very Very Lame.

3 or 4 in the community need to get together and made decisions for PND,
That is all that needs to happen, realizing if they want anything New done, that they will have to pay you or someone else directly. It is not complicated , it is not even hard, it just requires someone willing to Give of their Time & Money into PND.
It does not matter what other people don't do, it only matters what the people that step up to take on the role as PND leaders.
Only Question that needs to be asked is to yourselves, are you willing to give a year or two of your life to support a coin timewise and moneywise.

Post below all that will volunteer for this job , then select a new leader and then let them lead.

Problem Solved.

If no one steps up to Lead PND,
Problem is still Solved , just not in the way most are hoping for.

Good Luck.

amDOGE = Pandacoin-Official BCT account, last signed in yesterday or something like this.

MaNI speaks the truth. Even if the community will take over the future developments and stuff, it's way harder for us if we don't have the chance to update the website, post releases from an official account and if we don't have access to the community chest to fund further developments.
And even a short statement like: fuck you all, I'm out! would be better than just remain silent.

It's not a shame to say you don't want to work on it anymore, amDOGE has done enough for PND. But if there's no more interest in continuing the project, then please hand it over and give a short statement.
At the moment you're working against the community and this has to end.

[**D!ABLO**]

This might sound crazy but my wallet won't let me send coins as it says staking, I never had this issue with any other coins.

Any suggestion to help me send the coins? Thanks.

Staking means that a portion of your coins have recently staked (like less than 6 hours ago). When you put your coins to stake, it's like a kind of deposit, you can't spend it right away. You just need to wait out the time period to make them spendable again.

Ok. Let me put it another way. Is there a way to disable staking so I can move my coins? Thanks.

[PhiPhi]

You people need to take off the blinders. The posts from "wtf", "pndisdead", and so on are not FUD. They are perfectly valid. This coin is an investment, and every investor deserves answers. Enough of this SOON & TO THE MOON trivial childish nonsense. Either amdoge snaps out of his/her funk and organizes a new dev team with a set path and attainable goals or this coin is DEAD.

And don't give me this crap about how "the community needs to..." blah blah blah. If the community wants to put something together that's just peachy, but the sole responsibility of the success of the coin directly lies with those who created it. The community invested in the coin by buying it. I don't buy stock in Ford and then tell THEM how to build a car, that's their fucking job. Cryptos are no different.

Is this really any way to carry on, throwing a tantrum, stamping your feet and demanding everything for free? It sounds to me as if you brought for purely speculative reasons and now have no idea why the coins price has gone south.

wtf and pndisdead's posts are 2 different cases, don't lump one useful, critical member (wtf) in with the same pile as Chicken Little "Mr pndisdead ahhhh the sky's falling in" as people might think you can't discern between the two.

You have obviously not seen or ignored what is going on over at pandacointalk.com or you would realize that many of the people you're ranting to here are the new dev team.

The sole responsibility of the success of the coin directly lies with those who believe Panda coin has merit and is an idea worth fighting for.

To say the community invested in the coin by buying it is not entirely true I bought a coin I liked because of the friendly community and vision for Panda coin as money, yes there was an element of speculation but I knew I wasn't buying shares or the indentured slavery of the devs.

rastab48 you don't have to be that guy, you know the angry, incensed, entitled guy demanding, screaming it's not fair, me, me me guy!  You have a choice, work with us and even if we crash and burn we've had a good time doing it or you can remain angry and bitter in which case I don't think anyone can help you.

[cadexn]

amDOGE.

I was hoping to avoid this but I see no other way, a lot of people are sticking out their necks here to defend you and you remain silent.
Many community members are putting in a lot of effort at http://www.pandacointalk.com to try find a future for the coin and you remain silent.

I'm not expecting or demanding much from you unlike some others, I don't demand that you write a long explanation or that you find a new dev team, or that you develop it all yourself. The community is doing just fine on its own, however as you can see in this forum people still see you as the main figure, and there is the matter that you are still - as far as we know the largest holder of coins and therefore the person with the most to gain if price goes up. There is also the matter that you control the community chest amongst other things which means without your participation it is very difficult for the community to salvage this situation.


Without some form of official statement from you, you make it very difficult for the community to carry on, and these constant negative messages by people will keep streaming in - and lets be honest even if they are somewhat unrealistic (like rastab) they are not unreasonable, they are based on the fact that you are completely silent.


I don't know if it is the case that you have given up on PND completely, that you are in a depression, or that you still want PND to flourish but are just too lazy or scared or something to actually do anything. (Or something else entirely)
However I can't put any more effort in while this situation remains.
I for one would like to get on with things and stop talking so here it is I am laying down an ultimatum.


-------------------------------------------------------Ultimatum to amDOGE -----------------------------------------------------------------
As the founder of this coin you have the responsibility to either try to grow this coin or hand it over to people who will, if you do nothing your inaction makes you personally responsible for people losing money. While you owe nobody anything in terms of future development by any means you must realise that this is not a time where you can just be completely silent.
I for one will no longer participate in any effort to save this coin, or defend you further, unless you either:
1) Make an official statement blessing the new community effort as the way forward, hand over the community chest to someone in the community, and donate a reasonable portion of your PND holdings to the chest so that you too are participating in trying to save the coin, if other people are putting PND forward it seems only fair that the largest stakeholder should too.
2) Become active again and work with the new community effort, make an official statement in this regard and let people know what is going to happen.

quoted for attention

[cadexn]

This might sound crazy but my wallet won't let me send coins as it says staking, I never had this issue with any other coins.

Any suggestion to help me send the coins? Thanks.

Staking means that a portion of your coins have recently staked (like less than 6 hours ago). When you put your coins to stake, it's like a kind of deposit, you can't spend it right away. You just need to wait out the time period to make them spendable again.

Ok. Let me put it another way. Is there a way to disable staking so I can move my coins? Thanks.

You have to wait until the duration of the stake finishes. When you unlock your wallet make sure you uncheck "for staking only" so that future PNDs won't get used for stake again

[**D!ABLO**]

This might sound crazy but my wallet won't let me send coins as it says staking, I never had this issue with any other coins.

Any suggestion to help me send the coins? Thanks.

Staking means that a portion of your coins have recently staked (like less than 6 hours ago). When you put your coins to stake, it's like a kind of deposit, you can't spend it right away. You just need to wait out the time period to make them spendable again.

Ok. Let me put it another way. Is there a way to disable staking so I can move my coins? Thanks.

You have to wait until the duration of the stake finishes. When you unlock your wallet make sure you uncheck "for staking only" so that future PNDs won't get used for stake again

Sorry for being a bit simple but I can't see for staking only. Where can I find it please?

[PhiPhi]

amDOGE = Pandacoin-Official BCT account, last signed in yesterday or something like this.

MaNI speaks the truth. Even if the community will take over the future developments and stuff, it's way harder for us if we don't have the chance to update the website, post releases from an official account and if we don't have access to the community chest to fund further developments.
And even a short statement like: fuck you all, I'm out! would be better than just remain silent.

It's not a shame to say you don't want to work on it anymore, amDOGE has done enough for PND. But if there's no more interest in continuing the project, then please hand it over and give a short statement.
At the moment you're working against the community and this has to end.

Agree 100% with MaNI and donacid that amDoge should make a statement one way or the other regarding status as it would help us all, I think the ultimatum was a little dramatic but obviously there are some strong feelings on this subject but ultimately Argon18 is correct in his assessment that in the worst case all we have to do is soldier on regardless hoping that amDOGE is just a chaotic neutral.

[MaNI]

Dude ,
Ultimatums trying to bully a Young Woman, who has not even sign on to BTCTalk since
Name:            !amDOGE/5/M
Last Active:    October 19, 2014, 03:39:16 PM
is Very Very Lame.

3 or 4 in the community need to get together and made decisions for PND,
That is all that needs to happen, realizing if they want anything New done, that they will have to pay you or someone else directly. It is not complicated , it is not even hard, it just requires someone willing to Give of their Time & Money into PND.
It does not matter what other people don't do, it only matters what the people that step up to take on the role as PND leaders.
Only Question that needs to be asked is to yourselves, are you willing to give a year or two of your life to support a coin timewise and moneywise.

Post below all that will volunteer for this job , then select a new leader and then let them lead.

It is not about trying to bully anyone, if you read all my other posts you will see that I have even tried to defend her, I simply ask the founder of the coin to be responsible enough to actually make a statement of some kind. This is not an unreasonable request, if she is not willing to do that then I don't see it worthwhile to invest any more of my very precious time in this project, its that simple.

Also you are completely wrong:
amDOGE is pandacoin-official and is around.
I have already tried and intend to continue raising her attention to this post on IRC as well.
It is not as easy as you say for the community to continue without her blessing, she holds (estimate) 1B PND, she controls various infastructure that is needed, she controls all the keys for the coin, without a statement from her the community will be fragmented, without a statement from her there will be constant FUD making it hard for people to move forward.
Why would anyone invest a year or two of their time into a coin that somebody else controls if they don't even have the decency to make a post? Why should I spend a year trying to make amDOGE's 1B coins worth a fortune if amDOGE can't even write a simple post telling everyone what she thinks? Sure people may pay me some PND at a drastically discounted rate to do it, but ultimately unless the PND is going to be worth something I am donating my time and with a leader that is essentially blocking the way I don't see it as worthwhile, there are plenty of other projects begging me to join who don't have founders who won't speak.
Going forward we need to not just keep the coin going but encourage others to join and use the coin, it is hard to see that happening with a giant cloud hanging over things.


I'm sorry that you see this as bullying, but for me as one of the people actually interested in taking the coin forward I see it as a non-negotiable that amDOGE shows some common decency at this point and at least comments. And I know that many others who still want to contribute also feel this way.

If she doesn't, well you are welcome to continue Aragon18 - maybe you will be the one to offer this 2 years of your time who knows.

[MaNI]

It's not a shame to say you don't want to work on it anymore, amDOGE has done enough for PND. But if there's no more interest in continuing the project, then please hand it over and give a short statement.
At the moment you're working against the community and this has to end.

Yes, thanks, that about sums it up.