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April 11, 2025, 10:38:27 AM
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Sometimes these legislators don't seem to realize that criminals never use KYC exchanges, they will always look for ways to avoid being found. Those who use open services are honest people who have nothing to hide. But having nothing to hide doesn’t mean you need to expose all your data to third parties.


I would disagree with that, because you obviously forgot that there is a huge amount of stolen personal data on the black market, with which precisely those who want to avoid KYC (including criminals) open accounts on CEXs. Of course, this is not something that allows them to use them without problems, because CEXs analyze transactions and can block every account at any time.

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April 11, 2025, 03:36:53 PM
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Sometimes these legislators don't seem to realize that criminals never use KYC exchanges, they will always look for ways to avoid being found. Those who use open services are honest people who have nothing to hide. But having nothing to hide doesn’t mean you need to expose all your data to third parties.


I would disagree with that, because you obviously forgot that there is a huge amount of stolen personal data on the black market, with which precisely those who want to avoid KYC (including criminals) open accounts on CEXs. Of course, this is not something that allows them to use them without problems, because CEXs analyze transactions and can block every account at any time.
and besids using stolen personal data, a lot of them use mules to do that for them, knowingly or unknowingly.
they either pay people a small cut/fee or straight up buy full KYC from less fortunate people who are desperate for a few $$, like addicts or homeless people.

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April 11, 2025, 06:14:54 PM
 #1483

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Sometimes these legislators don't seem to realize that criminals never use KYC exchanges, they will always look for ways to avoid being found. Those who use open services are honest people who have nothing to hide. But having nothing to hide doesn’t mean you need to expose all your data to third parties.


I would disagree with that, because you obviously forgot that there is a huge amount of stolen personal data on the black market, with which precisely those who want to avoid KYC (including criminals) open accounts on CEXs. Of course, this is not something that allows them to use them without problems, because CEXs analyze transactions and can block every account at any time.
and besids using stolen personal data, a lot of them use mules to do that for them, knowingly or unknowingly.
they either pay people a small cut/fee or straight up buy full KYC from less fortunate people who are desperate for a few $$, like addicts or homeless people.


This is all true. But, it is also true that increasing the number of KYC information will not solve the problem. Quite the contrary, within a few years, there will be more stolen data that will give criminals more tools to hide.

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April 13, 2025, 07:17:51 PM
 #1484

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Sometimes these legislators don't seem to realize that criminals never use KYC exchanges, they will always look for ways to avoid being found. Those who use open services are honest people who have nothing to hide. But having nothing to hide doesn’t mean you need to expose all your data to third parties.


I would disagree with that, because you obviously forgot that there is a huge amount of stolen personal data on the black market, with which precisely those who want to avoid KYC (including criminals) open accounts on CEXs. Of course, this is not something that allows them to use them without problems, because CEXs analyze transactions and can block every account at any time.
and besids using stolen personal data, a lot of them use mules to do that for them, knowingly or unknowingly.
they either pay people a small cut/fee or straight up buy full KYC from less fortunate people who are desperate for a few $$, like addicts or homeless people.
There is almost no exchange that has not been hacked in some form at least once. The fact that we receive information about the amount stolen does not mean that hackers did not reach the database with KYC information. Judging by how vulnerable the security of CEXs is when keeping money, we can only assume that it is even less when it comes to the user's KYC data.

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April 13, 2025, 07:31:17 PM
 #1485

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Sometimes these legislators don't seem to realize that criminals never use KYC exchanges, they will always look for ways to avoid being found. Those who use open services are honest people who have nothing to hide. But having nothing to hide doesn’t mean you need to expose all your data to third parties.


I would disagree with that, because you obviously forgot that there is a huge amount of stolen personal data on the black market, with which precisely those who want to avoid KYC (including criminals) open accounts on CEXs. Of course, this is not something that allows them to use them without problems, because CEXs analyze transactions and can block every account at any time.
and besids using stolen personal data, a lot of them use mules to do that for them, knowingly or unknowingly.
they either pay people a small cut/fee or straight up buy full KYC from less fortunate people who are desperate for a few $$, like addicts or homeless people.
There is almost no exchange that has not been hacked in some form at least once. The fact that we receive information about the amount stolen does not mean that hackers did not reach the database with KYC information. Judging by how vulnerable the security of CEXs is when keeping money, we can only assume that it is even less when it comes to the user's KYC data.


No need to assume; its a certainty.  data breaches are inevitable these days.  Any system created by flawed humans is bound to have vulnerabilities that clever criminals can exploit. Companies worry about patching up their public image, but who is watching out for the customers left exposed in the aftermath? We are told to shrug it off as the cost of living in a digital world.  So its not a "maybe", its a "when".

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April 13, 2025, 07:39:55 PM
 #1486

This is all true. But, it is also true that increasing the number of KYC information will not solve the problem. Quite the contrary, within a few years, there will be more stolen data that will give criminals more tools to hide.
exactly, asking for more KYC/AML information will never stop criminals from doing crime, it never did in the first place to begin with.
they are just making things harder for regular people with this shit.

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April 13, 2025, 09:03:51 PM
 #1487

This is all true. But, it is also true that increasing the number of KYC information will not solve the problem. Quite the contrary, within a few years, there will be more stolen data that will give criminals more tools to hide.
exactly, asking for more KYC/AML information will never stop criminals from doing crime, it never did in the first place to begin with.
they are just making things harder for regular people with this shit.


As far as I know, every service involving FIAT money requires quite deep KYC/AML procedures, yet FIAT is the most commonly used method of committing scams and illegal activities.
KYC/AML do nothing against the people willing to commit fraud, but are a problem for the people doing normal activities.


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April 14, 2025, 08:08:22 AM
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Hacks have always taken place. If there is crypto stored somewhere then someone will always try to steal it. Just because the crypto has been stolen does not mean other vital data was left untouched. Many criminals trade KYC data therefore they must have stolen it from somewhere and if we have learned something from history, it is that more hacks will occur.

There is almost no exchange that has not been hacked in some form at least once. The fact that we receive information about the amount stolen does not mean that hackers did not reach the database with KYC information. Judging by how vulnerable the security of CEXs is when keeping money, we can only assume that it is even less when it comes to the user's KYC data.

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April 15, 2025, 08:17:24 PM
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Hacks have always taken place. If there is crypto stored somewhere then someone will always try to steal it. Just because the crypto has been stolen does not mean other vital data was left untouched. Many criminals trade KYC data therefore they must have stolen it from somewhere and if we have learned something from history, it is that more hacks will occur.

If you give your data to someone, the question is WHEN this data will be leaked, not IF.
Every database on the internet has flaws, and sooner or later everything will be published.
Every Italian whose tax revenues were put online a few years back, knows it.

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April 16, 2025, 10:27:15 PM
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exactly, asking for more KYC/AML information will never stop criminals from doing crime, it never did in the first place to begin with.
they are just making things harder for regular people with this shit.
It's weird how they got everyone to believe that getting more strict KYC verification on big exchanges would make anything safer.
Anything can be hacked these days, I remember few years ago the case of Bisq hacker that stole $250,000 because of faulty security patch.
Weak security is the main issue exchanges should address, not punishing regular customers.

As far as I know, every service involving FIAT money requires quite deep KYC/AML procedures, yet FIAT is the most commonly used method of committing scams and illegal activities.
There are still exchanges and service that involve FIAT currencies and they don't have any KYC procedures.


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April 16, 2025, 11:26:56 PM
 #1491

As far as I know, every service involving FIAT money requires quite deep KYC/AML procedures, yet FIAT is the most commonly used method of committing scams and illegal activities.
There are still exchanges and service that involve FIAT currencies and they don't have any KYC procedures.



Why exchange allows you to use fiat without kyc? I don't know any...

Additionally,  when transferring fiat all your personal data is shared
At least in Brazil, with your account number you can get the ID, full name  and other data.

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It's weird how they got everyone to believe that getting more strict KYC verification on big exchanges would make anything safer.

In addition, it is clear that when applying these types of (outdated) rules, they do not understand how the entire ecosystem works. Because, if they understood a little, they would realize that collecting this data in the medium term will have no effect whatsoever.

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Why exchange allows you to use fiat without kyc? I don't know any...

There are many on the dark web, but it is hard to differentiate legit from scam there, so I do not advise using those sites.

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There are still exchanges and service that involve FIAT currencies and they don't have any KYC procedures.
I don't think there are that many. Especially not with deep liquidity pools. This isn't the place to advertise other exchanges because it's eXch's ANN thread so I won't mention any names. However, one no-KYC exchange has been mentioned here many times. It's decentralized and used mainly for bitcoin and monero. The other doesn't have KYC for trades up to 1000 CHF, is headquartered in Switzerland, and is a mobile app. I think you can guess which services I am talking about.

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OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT

It's time, friends.

eXch will officially shutdown its operations effective May 1st, 2025.

Almost all of you know that eXch started as a project aimed at demonstrating to the community that alternatives can exist during times when there were none. We have never had any financial goals with this project and rather, we conducted an experiment that was unexpectedly successful.

Recently, we received confirmation of information we had previously, thanks to some friends we have even in the state intelligence sector, that our project is the subject of an active transatlantic operation aimed at forcibly shutting our project down and prosecuting us for "money laundering and terrorism."

Even though we have been able to operate despite some failed attempts to shutdown our infrastructure (attempts that have also been confirmed to be part of this operation), we don't see any point in operating in a hostile environment where we are the target of SIGINT simply because some people misinterpret our goals. Starting from the date of the merger with a new management team this month, and as a result of some urgent meetings, the majority of us voted to cease and retreat instead of going against strong winds, because none of us want to cause any harm to innocent people or this forum.

The goals we certainly never had in mind were to enable illicit activities such as money laundering or terrorism, as we are being accused of now. We also have absolutely no motivation to operate a project where we are viewed as criminals. This doesn't make any sense to us.

Originally, we were just a team of privacy enthusiasts with main areas of interest quite distant from cryptocurrency, where we saw the absolutely unfair happenings. This project was an attempt to restore balance in this industry.

Our project has demonstrated that an instant exchange done properly can be more effective than any centralized mixer in terms of privacy, which is why it has been referred to as "a mixer" many times by third parties, even though we have continuously rejected this label.

Our project has shown that it's possible to operate without abusing customers with nonsensical policies, unlike projects that will accept this announcement as a "weight lifted off their shoulders" that pretend to believe the false idea that confiscating crypto from customers somehow prevents "money laundering", who rely on random and unreliable scoring systems created and operated by companies that are parasites aiming to extract money from their governments by providing consulting based on the segregation of the crypto space and blockchain data. If we were to look at these projects from the perspective of "preventing money laundering and terrorism financing", any instant exchangers that screen their customer deposits using third-party APIs and appeal to nonsensical AML/KYC terms are far from preventing money laundering and terrorism. If they were serious about this, they would need to stop hiding behind shelf offshore companies and start conducting strict due diligence on every customer, which none of them do in reality. The absurdity is compounded by the absolute uselessness of the address score reporting APIs they use, as any of these screening mechanisms can be easily bypassed.

Our project will also demonstrate that even without it, this space will continue to have ways and instruments for those engaging in illicit activities to effectively "launder" their funds. Thus, the goal of stopping eXch under the belief that it may stop all money laundering in the world is ridiculous.

Meanwhile, our project effectively provided privacy to all our customers and even anonymity to most. However, there are still far more effective ways to achieve it, thanks to these flagship projects that exist nowadays:

- Monero, with its total privacy, although not without some recently discovered issues that are serious and should be fixed with the Full-Chain Membership Proofs implementation
- Litecoin, with its optional privacy (MWEB)
- Dash, with its optional privacy
- Tornado Cash
- Bitcoin CoinJoin protocols

Another distinctive project that does not betray its mission is Thorchain. Even under the immense pressure that the whole industry had to deal with due to the irresponsible actions of those at ByBit, Thorchain was the only decentralized protocol that resisted the pressure to implement screening mechanisms at the protocol level, proving itself to be absolutely reliable. Even though all Thorchain trades are transparent on-chain, privacy and even total untraceability can be easily achieved when combined with some of the privacy-enabling projects mentioned above, when used correctly. However, the Thorchain network currently has a very limited choice of good interfaces, aside from Asgardex and MMGen wallets, and none of them are privacy-preserving, but we hope this can change.

Bitcoin privacy remains, however, in the midst of a notable crisis given the collapse of all important projects and protocols that had significant liquid CoinJoin-like pools. The most interesting and convenient of them in terms of usability remains WabiSabi; however, it needs some lightweight client implementations to achieve greater popularity in order to effectively prevent serious risks associated with Sybil attacks. We certainly know that most people in this space prefer lightweight solutions to heavy software solutions, and this factor can significantly affect the popularity and usage of any good project.

Given this, we are announcing a 50 BTC open-source fund to support any FOSS projects aiming to enhance the availability of privacy solutions. We hope we can still make a difference. Here are examples of the projects we will support:

- Bitcoin wallets and protocols aiming to preserve user privacy
- Lightweight clients for WabiSabi
- Thorchain wallets aiming to preserve user privacy
- Bisq Light Client
- Ethereum wallets and smart contracts aiming to preserve user privacy (an example of such might be a "non-rigged" fork of Railgun smart contracts and wallets allowing users to operate in Tor)

Unfortunately, we will not support projects that are written in Java, NodeJS, Go, or C#, especially developers who don't take module chain supply attacks seriously and believe they're some kind of "conspiracy theory".

There will be other projects that will hopefully take our place as the industry leader in privacy-oriented centralized exchanges, and we wish them success.

Our partners will still have access to our API for a limited time, but what happens after May 1st will depend on our new management team, who will be in possession of all access to our infrastructure. Thus, we recommend launching their own liquidity pools to guarantee seamless operation. We will provide consulting and recommendations to them.

Privacy is not a crime.

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Unfortunately, we will not support projects that are written in Java, NodeJS, Go, or C#, especially developers who don't take module chain supply attacks seriously and believe they're some kind of "conspiracy theory".

Hello,

What are the recommended programming languages?
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April 18, 2025, 09:58:19 AM
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This announcement's a surprise. You've supported devs with donations they're going to miss you. I haven't seen any body donate bitcoin to ppl the way you've done you've been generous. If eXch won't continue will you ask devs stop working on SimpleX & eXch integrations ?

eXch will officially shutdown its operations effective May 1st, 2025.[/center]

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 #1498

It has been an honour wearing your signature.
I read your statement carefully and I support you 100%.
Kudos for having your legacy supporting projects protecting users privacy.

To everyone else in the thread, a good read on why privacy is important:

A Treatise on Bitcoin and Privacy

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Very sad news! It's always the same old thing, the more you want to safeguard the privacy of users the more problems come up and sometimes out of nowhere.
I am very sorry to read this announcement, you have put up a service of immense value to our community and so all that remains is to say thank you very much for everything


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 #1500

Unfortunately, we will not support projects that are written in Java, NodeJS, Go, or C#, especially developers who don't take module chain supply attacks seriously and believe they're some kind of "conspiracy theory".

Hello,

What are the recommended programming languages?


C, C++, and I think that's it. Maybe Rust, but that uses creates so I don't think it passes by. I also don't see Python in that list for some reason.

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