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June 25, 2014, 04:54:29 PM
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Also possible that guys with secret gpu miners are dumping a significant portion of the coins generated each day...

I value your concern, but we're selling over the counter right now and even buying back coins on the exchanges.

what do you mean by that?

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June 25, 2014, 05:39:12 PM
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Now i think why i get this error on stationery machine and not on a server:
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2014-Jun-25 19:32:35.685082 Connecting bbr.extremepool.org:5555....
2014-Jun-25 19:32:35.989126 Connected bbr.extremepool.org:5555 OK
2014-Jun-25 19:32:36.294685 Getting scratchpad...
2014-Jun-25 19:34:37.759408 Failed to invoke http request to  /json_rpc
2014-Jun-25 19:34:37.759506 Failed to get scratchpad.  Disconnecting and retryin

It seams that the connection is to slow and simpleminer can not get the full scratchpad in a given time.
How can i change the time to get the scratchpad in simpleminer, or it must be done on the pool?






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June 25, 2014, 06:04:41 PM
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Also possible that guys with secret gpu miners are dumping a significant portion of the coins generated each day...

I value your concern, but we're selling over the counter right now and even buying back coins on the exchanges.

what do you mean by that?


OTC trade is person-to-person and will not affect the coin's valuation on the exchanges.
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June 25, 2014, 06:21:50 PM
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Also possible that guys with secret gpu miners are dumping a significant portion of the coins generated each day...

I value your concern, but we're selling over the counter right now and even buying back coins on the exchanges.

what do you mean by that?


OTC trade is person-to-person and will not affect the coin's valuation on the exchanges.

Well, if you're selling large quantities below market value, then presumably the buyer could turn around and dump as well. I wasn't trying to demonize you guys or anything, I'm not a big holder and I don't think it's unethical or anything what you're doing, just trying to explain the price drop to someone that was asking. And actually, upon further reflection and watching the market a bit more, it just looks like cryptonotes and coins in general are down across the board the last few days. Monero (which now has a closed source amd miner and open source nvidia miner) is down by a similar percentage to BBR in the last few days, after they peaked at about the same time.
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June 25, 2014, 06:45:58 PM
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Also possible that guys with secret gpu miners are dumping a significant portion of the coins generated each day...

I value your concern, but we're selling over the counter right now and even buying back coins on the exchanges.

what do you mean by that?


OTC trade is person-to-person and will not affect the coin's valuation on the exchanges.

Well, if you're selling large quantities below market value, then presumably the buyer could turn around and dump as well. I wasn't trying to demonize you guys or anything, I'm not a big holder and I don't think it's unethical or anything what you're doing, just trying to explain the price drop to someone that was asking. And actually, upon further reflection and watching the market a bit more, it just looks like cryptonotes and coins in general are down across the board the last few days. Monero (which now has a closed source amd miner and open source nvidia miner) is down by a similar percentage to BBR in the last few days, after they peaked at about the same time.

I do not think they are selling under current market price. If he says they rebuy some coins it means, their price is higher. BTW. this coin is extremely undervaluated. I can not buy more because I want to keep some diversity in my current portfolio, but it is difficult to resist. Boolberry is way better than Monero. In fact using Monero is pretty frustrating - sometimes my notebook is blocked for few minutes when I download and save its blockchain. With boolberry everything is smooth. My only concern is centralizatin of this coin. It seems, only few people are accumulating it. This + PR problem with private miner + holding the price low artificially can result into breaking backbone of this coin. Some other coin will copy BBR, will make better distribution and PR and chance is lost... I hope whales of this coin will do something about it soon. 
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June 25, 2014, 09:26:50 PM
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Quote from: mkasiak
My only concern is centralizatin of this coin. It seems, only few people are accumulating it. This + PR problem with private miner + holding the price low artificially can result into breaking backbone of this coin. Some other coin will copy BBR, will make better distribution and PR and chance is lost... I hope whales of this coin will do something about it soon. 

This is my concern too. With the slew of recent coins that died by one holder dumping a massive sum, my trust in someone else's word has run very thin.

A public GPU miner needs to become a thing or this coin will end up looking awfully similar to BCN - innovative but not worth investing in because of the incredible disparity in coins owned.
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June 25, 2014, 09:34:25 PM
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A public GPU miner needs to become a thing or this coin will end up looking awfully similar to BCN - innovative but not worth investing in because of the incredible disparity in coins owned.

why don't you guys just fund someone to actually do it? I am not talking bounty, I mean hiring.

about that "disparity in coins owned". When we sell our mined coins, anyone can grab them.

The disparity comes from the fact that some people are rich, others aren't. And hence they can invest more. This mirrors real life more than anything else.

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June 25, 2014, 10:32:06 PM
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A public GPU miner needs to become a thing or this coin will end up looking awfully similar to BCN - innovative but not worth investing in because of the incredible disparity in coins owned.

why don't you guys just fund someone to actually do it? I am not talking bounty, I mean hiring.

about that "disparity in coins owned". When we sell our mined coins, anyone can grab them.

The disparity comes from the fact that some people are rich, others aren't. And hence they can invest more. This mirrors real life more than anything else.

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I am just trying to advice you to make you richer ;Wink  Keep some BBR (I am sure you already do). Release the miner - maybe with some announcement, countdown or something similar. Promote the event (miner releasing), promote the coin. And then watch the price rise. Pumps and dumps but going up like monero or other interesting coins. You still can use your miner, mined coins will have higher value and your reserves will have higher value... Otherwise people will loose interest - in fact they are already loosing. And it is a pity.
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June 25, 2014, 10:33:57 PM
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A public GPU miner needs to become a thing or this coin will end up looking awfully similar to BCN - innovative but not worth investing in because of the incredible disparity in coins owned.

why don't you guys just fund someone to actually do it? I am not talking bounty, I mean hiring.

about that "disparity in coins owned". When we sell our mined coins, anyone can grab them.

The disparity comes from the fact that some people are rich, others aren't. And hence they can invest more. This mirrors real life more than anything else.

Christian


I am just trying to advice you to make you richer ;Wink  Keep some BBR (I am sure you already do). Release the miner - maybe with some announcement, countdown or something similar. Promote the event (miner releasing), promote the coin. And then watch the price rise. Pumps and dumps but going up like monero or other interesting coins. You still can use your miner, mined coins will have higher value and your reserves will have higher value... Otherwise people will loose interest - in fact they are already loosing. And it is a pity.

I guess cbuchner1 do need lessons of how to get richer Smiley

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June 26, 2014, 12:17:54 AM
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so much for cryptonote egalitarian mining...
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June 26, 2014, 01:22:45 AM
Last edit: June 26, 2014, 02:04:27 AM by dga
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so much for cryptonote egalitarian mining...

As I've stated enough times, I think this is overblown, but I hate that this is a hammer being used against a coin when people can't find an actual argument based upon technical or economic merits.  So:

if there's not a stratum implementation available within 1 week to allow cbuchner1 to demonstrate his follow-through with open sourcing a miner, I will create one (clarifying:  a GPU miner, not a stratum. grin.  i'm not that masochistic.), integrated with simpleminer.  It won't be pretty, it will be a horrible hack to get it to compile (I'm cmake-clueless), but in a form that someone with c_z's expertise will be able to integrate more cleanly.

I'll start on the core of this now and post some regular updates.

(But please please please - someone do the stratum integration instead.  There's a lovely bounty waiting for you if you do.  The resulting product will be a much better tool for everyone to use, and I'd rather spend my time doing things that I actually believe are beneficial for BBR, not just combatting an overblown claim being used by detractors.)

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June 26, 2014, 03:57:55 AM
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so much for cryptonote egalitarian mining...

As I've stated enough times, I think this is overblown, but I hate that this is a hammer being used against a coin when people can't find an actual argument based upon technical or economic merits.  So:

if there's not a stratum implementation available within 1 week to allow cbuchner1 to demonstrate his follow-through with open sourcing a miner, I will create one (clarifying:  a GPU miner, not a stratum. grin.  i'm not that masochistic.), integrated with simpleminer.  It won't be pretty, it will be a horrible hack to get it to compile (I'm cmake-clueless), but in a form that someone with c_z's expertise will be able to integrate more cleanly.

I'll start on the core of this now and post some regular updates.

(But please please please - someone do the stratum integration instead.  There's a lovely bounty waiting for you if you do.  The resulting product will be a much better tool for everyone to use, and I'd rather spend my time doing things that I actually believe are beneficial for BBR, not just combatting an overblown claim being used by detractors.)

This is really great!

I bet 100BBR on that we (me and archit ) finish stratum faster than you finish your GPU.
Do you accept ? ( maybe it is not really fair betting since i don't know scope of work on gpu miner, but finally, in any case we both wins Smiley )



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June 26, 2014, 07:21:39 AM
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so much for cryptonote egalitarian mining...

As I've stated enough times, I think this is overblown, but I hate that this is a hammer being used against a coin when people can't find an actual argument based upon technical or economic merits.  So:

if there's not a stratum implementation available within 1 week to allow cbuchner1 to demonstrate his follow-through with open sourcing a miner, I will create one (clarifying:  a GPU miner, not a stratum. grin.  i'm not that masochistic.), integrated with simpleminer.  It won't be pretty, it will be a horrible hack to get it to compile (I'm cmake-clueless), but in a form that someone with c_z's expertise will be able to integrate more cleanly.

I'll start on the core of this now and post some regular updates.

(But please please please - someone do the stratum integration instead.  There's a lovely bounty waiting for you if you do.  The resulting product will be a much better tool for everyone to use, and I'd rather spend my time doing things that I actually believe are beneficial for BBR, not just combatting an overblown claim being used by detractors.)

This is really great!

I bet 100BBR on that we (me and archit ) finish stratum faster than you finish your GPU.
Do you accept ? ( maybe it is not really fair betting since i don't know scope of work on gpu miner, but finally, in any case we both wins Smiley )


This coin is getting exciting!

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June 26, 2014, 07:40:32 AM
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Is there a big problem with this coin? people are dumpling it like shit.
Everything is being dumped.

Yeah, I think that's because BTC was going down, probably because people are anxious about the BTC auction on friday...
Usually altcoins go down disproportionally much then, but they also recover disproportionally fast then :-)
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June 26, 2014, 07:41:18 AM
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This coin is getting exciting!


always has been...
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June 26, 2014, 09:04:34 AM
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It looks like the price of BBR and Monero are officially relative to each other, coming from my perspective as a trader.

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June 26, 2014, 09:06:32 AM
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This coin is getting exciting!


always has been...
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June 26, 2014, 11:37:37 AM
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so much for cryptonote egalitarian mining...

As I've stated enough times, I think this is overblown, but I hate that this is a hammer being used against a coin when people can't find an actual argument based upon technical or economic merits.  So:

if there's not a stratum implementation available within 1 week to allow cbuchner1 to demonstrate his follow-through with open sourcing a miner, I will create one (clarifying:  a GPU miner, not a stratum. grin.  i'm not that masochistic.), integrated with simpleminer.  It won't be pretty, it will be a horrible hack to get it to compile (I'm cmake-clueless), but in a form that someone with c_z's expertise will be able to integrate more cleanly.

I'll start on the core of this now and post some regular updates.

(But please please please - someone do the stratum integration instead.  There's a lovely bounty waiting for you if you do.  The resulting product will be a much better tool for everyone to use, and I'd rather spend my time doing things that I actually believe are beneficial for BBR, not just combatting an overblown claim being used by detractors.)

This is really great!

I bet 100BBR on that we (me and archit ) finish stratum faster than you finish your GPU.
Do you accept ? ( maybe it is not really fair betting since i don't know scope of work on gpu miner, but finally, in any case we both wins Smiley )


Oh no - that would be betting against my own interests. Smiley  (And I saw how fast you got the wallet out - i'm not going up against that.)

My real preference would be to have the stratum version.  I think it's the right tool because everyone knows how to grab and use a stratum-based miner these days, even if the code inside has become a twisted, horrible pile of spaghetti.

But I want to provide a backstop to assure the people that care about this that, one way or another, we'll either have stratum or a built-in-to-simpleminer GPU miner on a very reasonable timescale.

You'll get my 100 BBR anyway, or at least half of it, because I already put 100 BBR into the stratum bounty.  *grin*

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June 26, 2014, 11:41:56 AM
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Is there a big problem with this coin? people are dumpling it like shit.
Everything is being dumped.

Yeah, I think that's because BTC was going down, probably because people are anxious about the BTC auction on friday...
Usually altcoins go down disproportionally much then, but they also recover disproportionally fast then :-)
Thanks for your explaination

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Guys, the official boolberry forum http://boolberry.com/forum/  is overrun by spammers.

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