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[tuanvtau]

why the price of BBR is down?

[slapper]

@Slapper: how can you be so harsh with rpietila when BBR had windjc who was here for pump and dumps purpose and left as soon as CZ put a stop to his schemes? how else do you explain the lack of price support and the big dump right before the announcement?

its really funny how the doxa on the bbr thread is "rpietila is the one hurting xmr" whereas he's been supporting from the beginning and shows no sign of giving up.

here you have windjc, resorting to shameful tactics. its beyond me how the man can still post in this thread and feel no shame

also, if BBR is that low, its nobody's fault but CZ. He could have set the whole thing straight from the get go. He didnt. He could still do it today. He doesnt. You guys seem not to understand that whales are looking to invest in a project which shows transparency and openness. all the shadiness around BBR is not really attracting. some of us take the risk and gamble, but in the end we're a minority

I am not condoning windjc (or any dumper's actions). Reptile has to support XMR. He is ass deep with his BTCs and is taking good care of the BTCs he earned from other wannabe mooners.

I also agree with some of your other points about CZ but shadiness is stretching it. Not a post or two ago, honesty and integrity were the chosen adjectives about CZ 

[smooth]

Not a post or two ago, honesty and integrity were the chosen adjectives about CZ  

I've said before and I still believe that over time he can be judged by the reputation he establishes and the integrity he demonstrates by his visible actions. (That was not at all the case when "crypto_zoidberg" was a 1-post Newbie that nobody had ever heard of). That process takes time and consistent action, and is ongoing.

I still commend crypto_zoidberg from walking away from money (apparently a significant amount?) he believed had the wrong strings attacked, even without any real idea of what would happen next. That takes balls.

[slapper]

It would make sense if you guys came up with the tech and the hard work. You didn't. You paid cryptographers (gmaxwell ?) to vet the whitepaper, which is your only contribution to date.

First off that's wrong. There is a lot of hard work we've done, some of that is still in progress (database and GUI), some of it is deployed. There are several of our own "whitepapers" in addition to the review of the cryptonote whitepaper (also please don't assume by my silence that I'm agreeing or disagreeing with your speculation about who did the review, because I'm not).

I don't like the pay-per-review model. That whole thing should be done in community spirit. It would have a lot more meaning to "our own whitepapers".

Nevertheless, it doesn't have to make sense to you and what I'm suggesting is that when reality doesn't agree with what makes sense, reconsider your assumptions or model.

I don't know what to say, but I will admit that is a good point.

IMO a lot of attention is wasted by BBR supporters going after XMR with name calling and sig snipes, when in fact helping XMR would also help BBR because BBR would be pulled up behind XMR (and still be positioned to overtake if XMR stumbles). Both coins can easily improve greatly in terms of underlying technology, and also easily increase 100x in value. I think everyone would be happy with that.

It is not a waste. You don't represent the entire factions on either side nor does anyone. The mentality everywhere has been to eliminate BBR (you would know this if you spent time in the right places). I don't trust a majority of the vocal people on any side.

Thank you for not posting like a dick for a change.  

[slapper]

Not a post or two ago, honesty and integrity were the chosen adjectives about CZ  

I've said before and I still believe that over time he can be judged by the reputation he establishes and the integrity he demonstrates by his visible actions. (That was not at all the case when "crypto_zoidberg" was a 1-post Newbie that nobody had ever heard of). That process takes time and consistent action, and is ongoing.

I still commend crypto_zoidberg from walking away from money (apparently a significant amount?) he believed had the wrong strings attacked, even without any real idea of what would happen next. That takes balls.

[jwinterm]

My opinion on the bbr/supernet hullabaloo:

1) I find the ego immediately followed by false humility off putting. In case it's not clear what I'm referring to, that would be this quote from the Supernet ANN and http://www.jl777.org/supernet/ page:

It has been almost two days as I write this and BBR has gone from a death spiral with no volumes to being one of the more actively traded coins, its hashrate also quadrupled and the price is now building a base at 4x to 6x the price when I created the “jl777 effect”

immediately followed on both pages by this quote:

Now how can a simple C programmer like me have such an effect?

If you're referring to yourself in the third person while naming effects after yourself, you're probably not just a "simple" anything, imo.

2) If jl777 is just "a simple C programmer", then why is he undertaking one of the more complex and ambitious projects that requires extensive knowledge of various c++ codebases among other things?

3) I'm not sure where the confidence people have in jl777 to complete the project(s) comes from. As far as I can tell he hasn't delivered anything except for coins/tokens for sale on exchanges. Teleport is not functional, and I don't think any aspect of Supernet is functional. His repositories on github are very lightly forked/starred. Where is the technology he has developed that make people think he can/will pull this off?

4) I don't think I understand Supernet any better than I did before reading the previous several pages. It seems extremely complex, and I think any kind of complex system is  prone to have more points of failure.


(Apparently Einstein probably didn't actually ever say that, but whatevs, the point remains the same.)

I'm not even sure if BBR is still supposed to be a part of the supernetwork, tbh. Could someone clarify that? Also, why would you let a GUI designer pick an encryption algorithm, btw, re: the quote below?

So the GUI designer can choose which cipher to use, etc. Let us hope the GUI designers have a better chance than 10%

[ltcrstrbrt]

Hey guys, GUI wallet and simplewallet is crashing, i'm using win 7 64bit 

[smooth]

It would make sense if you guys came up with the tech and the hard work. You didn't. You paid cryptographers (gmaxwell ?) to vet the whitepaper, which is your only contribution to date.

First off that's wrong. There is a lot of hard work we've done, some of that is still in progress (database and GUI), some of it is deployed. There are several of our own "whitepapers" in addition to the review of the cryptonote whitepaper (also please don't assume by my silence that I'm agreeing or disagreeing with your speculation about who did the review, because I'm not).

I don't like the pay-per-review model. That whole thing should be done in community spirit. It would have a lot more meaning to "our own whitepapers".

Not sure what you are saying. Cryptonote didn't pay us to review their whitepaper, we did it because we thought it needed to be done, and released it to the community. Likewise with our reviews of their code.

We've also released our own documents (which I quote as "whitepapers" because that term is thrown around so much in the cryptocoin world as be nearly meaningless) and anyone who wants to review them is free to do so.

It is not a waste. You don't represent the entire factions on either side nor does anyone. The mentality everywhere has been to eliminate BBR (you would know this if you spent time in the right places). I don't trust a majority of the vocal people on any side.

Fair enough. I can speak only for myself, and occasional for the Monero core team but never for all Monero supporters.

One thought though. The more you perpetuate the model of the coins as being in mortal conflict, the more what you describe will continue and even increase. It is possible to fan the flames, even if unintentionally. I fail to see how that can help BBR.

[windjc]

@Slapper: how can you be so harsh with rpietila when BBR had windjc who was here for pump and dumps purpose and left as soon as CZ put a stop to his schemes? how else do you explain the lack of price support and the big dump right before the announcement?

its really funny how the doxa on the bbr thread is "rpietila is the one hurting xmr" whereas he's been supporting from the beginning and shows no sign of giving up.

here you have windjc, resorting to shameful tactics. its beyond me how the man can still post in this thread and feel no shame

also, if BBR is that low, its nobody's fault but CZ. He could have set the whole thing straight from the get go. He didnt. He could still do it today. He doesnt. You guys seem not to understand that whales are looking to invest in a project which shows transparency and openness. all the shadiness around BBR is not really attracting. some of us take the risk and gamble, but in the end we're a minority

I'd love to know what you think I've done. As I mentioned, I havent sold a single BBR. If by pump you mean that I made a few posts about a fundraiser that was confirmed by CZ at the time as happening, then yes I am guilty of that. Then CZ changed his mind and posted that he did so.

Then bid walls were pulled and some people sold. I was not one of them. So if by pump and dump, you mean that I personally lost value without making a dime of profit after putting dozen of hours in preparation for a fundraiser and subsequent large marketing campaing, then sure I did that. Gladly.

I am proud to still post here, although my talents can't really be used to their full extent at the moment.

I hope CZ changes his mind in the future regarding raising funds, but I will support BBR in anyway I can until then. However, I am going to spend my time where it is more efficient and effective to do so, whether that is with BBR, SuperNet, Nxt or BTC, since those are the crypto currencies/crypto projects that I personally believe in the most.

But next time you come at me with insinuations, why don't you come stronger and back them up with real facts? That might give you more credibility.

[TooDumbForBitcoin]

@Slapper: how can you be so harsh with rpietila when BBR had windjc who was here for pump and dumps purpose and left as soon as CZ put a stop to his schemes? how else do you explain the lack of price support and the big dump right before the announcement?

its really funny how the doxa on the bbr thread is "rpietila is the one hurting xmr" whereas he's been supporting from the beginning and shows no sign of giving up.

here you have windjc, resorting to shameful tactics. its beyond me how the man can still post in this thread and feel no shame

also, if BBR is that low, its nobody's fault but CZ. He could have set the whole thing straight from the get go. He didnt. He could still do it today. He doesnt. You guys seem not to understand that whales are looking to invest in a project which shows transparency and openness. all the shadiness around BBR is not really attracting. some of us take the risk and gamble, but in the end we're a minority

I'd love to know what you think I've done. As I mentioned, I havent sold a single BBR. If by pump you mean that I made a few posts about a fundraiser that was confirmed by CZ at the time as happening, then yes I am guilty of that. Then CZ changed his mind and posted that he did so.

Then bid walls were pulled and some people sold. I was not one of them. So if by pump and dump, you mean that I personally lost value without making a dime of profit after putting dozen of hours in preparation for a fundraiser and subsequent large marketing campaing, then sure I did that. Gladly.

I am proud to still post here, although my talents can't really be used to their full extent at the moment.

I hope CZ changes his mind in the future regarding raising funds, but I will support BBR in anyway I can until then. However, I am going to spend my time where it is more efficient and effective to do so, whether that is with BBR, SuperNet, Nxt or BTC, since those are the crypto currencies/crypto projects that I personally believe in the most.

But next time you come at me with insinuations, why don't you come stronger and back them up with real facts? That might give you more credibility.

Windjc, those buy walls that were pulled - were they your buy walls?

[windjc]

@Slapper: how can you be so harsh with rpietila when BBR had windjc who was here for pump and dumps purpose and left as soon as CZ put a stop to his schemes? how else do you explain the lack of price support and the big dump right before the announcement?

its really funny how the doxa on the bbr thread is "rpietila is the one hurting xmr" whereas he's been supporting from the beginning and shows no sign of giving up.

here you have windjc, resorting to shameful tactics. its beyond me how the man can still post in this thread and feel no shame

also, if BBR is that low, its nobody's fault but CZ. He could have set the whole thing straight from the get go. He didnt. He could still do it today. He doesnt. You guys seem not to understand that whales are looking to invest in a project which shows transparency and openness. all the shadiness around BBR is not really attracting. some of us take the risk and gamble, but in the end we're a minority

I'd love to know what you think I've done. As I mentioned, I havent sold a single BBR. If by pump you mean that I made a few posts about a fundraiser that was confirmed by CZ at the time as happening, then yes I am guilty of that. Then CZ changed his mind and posted that he did so.

Then bid walls were pulled and some people sold. I was not one of them. So if by pump and dump, you mean that I personally lost value without making a dime of profit after putting dozen of hours in preparation for a fundraiser and subsequent large marketing campaing, then sure I did that. Gladly.

I am proud to still post here, although my talents can't really be used to their full extent at the moment.

I hope CZ changes his mind in the future regarding raising funds, but I will support BBR in anyway I can until then. However, I am going to spend my time where it is more efficient and effective to do so, whether that is with BBR, SuperNet, Nxt or BTC, since those are the crypto currencies/crypto projects that I personally believe in the most.

But next time you come at me with insinuations, why don't you come stronger and back them up with real facts? That might give you more credibility.

Windjc, those buy walls that were pulled - were they your buy walls?

20 BTC of the 100+ BTC total wall was mine. Had the fundraiser gone forward I was considering another 20 BTC purchase of BBR (I already own 98,000 BBR for full disclosure). However, when CZ told me that he backed out of the agreement, I pulled my walls as I figured they would be dumped into. I do not know who had the other 80+ BTC walls or whatever and I do not know who sold. I do at least know one person who got lucky enough to buy at .00025. He was happy about that.

EDIT: Let me add, I am very disappointed that I can't help with a larger marketing and PR campaign at the moment. I am also sad that BBR can't afford to bring on more developers to help CZ (as he also wants from my conversations with him) right now.

I feel that had the fundraiser gone through, BBR's community would have probably grown 3-5x over the next few weeks. It really was a fantastic idea, one of the best I've seen since joining the crypto world.

Personally I feel that by itself, as a one man developer show on a shoe string budget, BBRs prospects are a long shot at best. Only because MASS EXPOSURE and UTILITY are the only things (besides hype) that give any alt coin a fighting chance in the future.

However, I believe Supernet could be that mass exposure and utility that tips the scales for BBR. I also believe the fundraiser, if CZ changes his mind, could bring $100,000s over the next 6-12 months and be a game changer too. But thats not going to happen today.

I do hope more people will get involved with 3rd party development with BBR. The more this coin is being used and developed for real world applications, the better its chance of survival.

[smooth]

Personally I feel that by itself, as a one man developer show on a shoe string budget, BBRs prospects are a long shot at best.

I don't agree. If the technology were not already mostly there, then this would be a major problem.

But this is not some brand new blue sky project where the core technology doesn't even exist yet. BBR does not massive investment in development with a large team. It needs solid maintenance (which CZ can certainly do), cleaning up some rough edges, and a few more pieces to fall into place (which CZ can also do), and it needs a community to recognize it as a good project and start to build around it (third party services and such).

I do hope more people will get involved with 3rd party development with BBR. The more this coin is being used and developed for real world applications, the better its chance of survival.

Agree.

[slapper]

Not sure what you are saying. Cryptonote didn't pay us to review their whitepaper, we did it because we thought it needed to be done, and released it to the community. Likewise with our reviews of their code.

We've also released our own documents (which I quote as "whitepapers" because that term is thrown around so much in the cryptocoin world as be nearly meaningless) and anyone who wants to review them is free to do so.

I meant you guys paying gmax et al out of your pocket to get these whitepapers reviewed. Doesn't make the work illegitimate but certainly has less meaning to "our own whitepapers".

[smooth]

Not sure what you are saying. Cryptonote didn't pay us to review their whitepaper, we did it because we thought it needed to be done, and released it to the community. Likewise with our reviews of their code.

We've also released our own documents (which I quote as "whitepapers" because that term is thrown around so much in the cryptocoin world as be nearly meaningless) and anyone who wants to review them is free to do so.

I meant you guys paying gmax et al out of your pocket to get these whitepapers reviewed. Doesn't make the work illegitimate but certainly has less meaning to "our own whitepapers".

Just one thought: The "paid for review" model would work better if the papers had a famous person's name on them, rather than pseudonyms right? That certainly seems to be common with other coins doing what you suggest, I think.

Again, explicitly no comment on whether the person you named had anything to do with the documents. I think you made a claim there with your phrasing you likely can't back up.

[slapper]

Not sure what you are saying. Cryptonote didn't pay us to review their whitepaper, we did it because we thought it needed to be done, and released it to the community. Likewise with our reviews of their code.

We've also released our own documents (which I quote as "whitepapers" because that term is thrown around so much in the cryptocoin world as be nearly meaningless) and anyone who wants to review them is free to do so.

I meant you guys paying gmax et al out of your pocket to get these whitepapers reviewed. Doesn't make the work illegitimate but certainly has less meaning to "our own whitepapers".

Just one thought: The "paid for review" model would work better if the papers had a famous person's name on them, rather than pseudonyms right? That certainly seems to be common with other coins doing what you suggest, I think.

Again, explicitly no comment on whether the person you named had anything to do with the documents. I think you made a claim there with your phrasing you likely can't back up.

No, I am not questioning the work behind the paper, so a pseudo doesn't matter (haven't read the latest one yet).

Edit: smooth you are in good form today and my grapes are sour, so I am taking a back seat for now.

[slapper]

A great post from AnonyMint which has me left introspecting too. Posts like these are rare around these parts.

If your intention is to imply that BCX's opinion counts (as anything except possibly to the contrary), I am flabbergasted.

As if your opinion has been anything better?

You told everyone Bitcoin was going to the moon, told them buy & hold all the way down since at least $700, you started a thread which emphatically declared that $500 was the bottom, etc.. I disagreed with you every time, and I have been correct every single time. So if anything, users should be listening to me, not you.

I don't dislike you as a person. In fact, I have fond memories. Your ethics are exquisite. I am not patronizing. These are facts to the best of my knowledge having known you before when you were a private speculator before you anointed yourself His Majesty of Altcoins.

I am entirely against this new role you have anointed for yourself. If you are in support of bettering the world with crypto, and thus will support new technology quietly without trying to herd the community politically, I will be your ally. If you continue to create this political angst and surety (which the Bible clearly states is wrong), this only motivates me that much more to do anything in my programming ability to overcome what you have done in order to restore freedom of innovation in the altcoin space unfettered by the herding of the n00bs.

One sign that you are sincere about not harming the community, would be to stop proclaiming that you can read the future of technology. You don't even understand the technology.

The prior two paragraphs are not some idle threat. They are based on inside knowledge I have, which you are not aware of. I am trying to warn you to please not get caught again making proclamations that are going to very likely end up being incorrect.

What the guy said has not come true, so in my books whatever he says from then on, is just air.

That seems to be true. And all your public predictions were too. Even the XMR price is lower than when you told everyone to buy it.

Speaking of that, BBR's price may have seen the first air escaping from the pump. Expect more to follow.

Unfortunately I can not disagree about the long-term future of the BBR price (I have a very specific reason which I will not reveal). The short-term could see another potentially very significant bounce, depending on what jl777 does. Nevertheless, I don't see the point of you doing this? It is very disruptive to the community spirit. Why can't you let investors make their own decisions and so we don't get into these political herding camps and wars?

I still symphatisize for BBR. When the price goes to sustainable level, the only thing hindering me from buying it is the community (or the lack thereof).

That reads like feigned patronizing as a veil to ridicule its community and developers.

If XMR cannot make it despite the dream team,

Watch the best of XMR devs jump ship when they realize the paradigm can be defeated and there is nothing they can do about it.

Yes there are some very smart people who develop for XMR, but they are not the only smart people in the world. Also the smartest of them want to see success in crypto-currency more than they want to be locked into some groupthink, otherwise they aren't smart.

As much as XMR has going for it technically, you are causing a lot of political problems which are killing the spirit. I was thinking before that you could learn to be a lovable angel investor touching the community with morsels of investment to spur on the paradigm shifts we need. But it seems you think the way to organize success is top-down structures, voting, politics, herding, talking to yourself in an echo chamber, etc..

I mean as much as I appreciate your 2 BTC gift (although you never paid the 2.50 BTC bounty on time which is a sin in the Bible), I can't bring myself to agree with your paradigm of organization. Sorry I wish I could. If that means you will regret helping me, that is very unfortunate because I am the one who can change the world with crypto. You will hopefully soon see. Why me? Well not because I am smarter than smooth et al, but I am smart enough and I am very creative with ideas. But mostly because my hands are not tied by groupthink.

I give very small chances for BBR making it either. And if XMR does make it, BBR will wither away or become a community coin for privacy-conscious people that for a reason or another hate XMR (a little bit like LTC vs. BTC).

BBR's big bet for grandeur is the SuperNet. Unless they have something else up their sleeve, their future depends on the SuperNet outcome.

But what good does it do for you to predict what they have up their sleeve? Do you think you can predict what I have up my sleeve?

All this accomplishes is animosity.

P.S. the likely reason the BBR price crashed was Zoid's mistake of stating he wasn't receiving enough development income. How many times am I going to say you are crazy if you develop a coin and don't take a small premine to fund yourself and pay bounties. If you have something unique and you demonstrate you are the better developer on your code than any arseholes who try to fork your project, then your premine is not a negative, it is a positive.

[jwinterm]

Anyone know if the 13.12 or 14.6 AMD drivers do any better when mining with the opencl AMD GPU miner?

[smooth]

Just one thought: The "paid for review" model would work better if the papers had a famous person's name on them, rather than pseudonyms right? That certainly seems to be common with other coins doing what you suggest, I think.

No, I am not questioning the work behind the paper, so a pseudo doesn't matter (haven't read the latest one yet).

My suggestion, and I haven't entirely thought this through, is that maybe in this context an unknown pseudonym is better, because it removes the possibility that the purpose of the paper is to exploit the halo of the author. The content would then have to stand on its own merits.

Anyway, there is plenty of competitiveness around here and I'm sure that won't change, but it is sometimes nice to put that aside and just have a conversation for a little while.

[BitBD]

I feel very sad for this types of price decline activities. Btw I was invested a good portion from my portfolio and I expect It will bring me a good return in long run.

Please suggestions are wanted.

[pt7]

I feel very sad for this types of price decline activities. Btw I was invested a good portion from my portfolio and I expect It will bring me a good return in long run.

Please suggestions are wanted.

You answered your own question. HODL!