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[Este Nuno]

SuperNET is NOT a coin. do you understand this?

Apparently he doesn't (nor do I, although I do understand teleport, after a lot of effort to do so) and this appears to be a common thread with your projects. Think about that. Just a bit of constructive criticism here. If it sounds like an attack it isn't meant that way at all.

Do you feel confused about how superNET is supposed to work on a technical level, or what it's attempting to offer on the user level?

[otila]

i am just offering a choice
i notice that people tend to feel quite strongly about which cipher is better and i prefer to avoid getting involved in such debates
my method allows people to choose their cipher (or cipher sequence)
the code is still not debugged yet, I just wrote the MofNfs calls yesterday, really as a good way to test the DHT calls I coded over the weekend.

is there a C library for the key derivation?

If you let users pick from ten options, they pick the best one in 10% of the cases  

https://password-hashing.net/candidates.html
Source code in C and specs in pdf.
Candidates support same kind of calling convention, but this competition is still a work-in-progress.
PHS(K, kLen, pwd, pwdLen, salt, saltLen, t_cost, m_cost))

These things are being discussed on Usenet group comp.security.phc
http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.security.phc

EDIT: related a bit, maybe gives you ideas https://minilock.io/

[smooth]

At this point, I'd like to sincerely understand what is wrong with this coin.

You've already declared it to be the diamond in your signature, so how why ask now?

It is the diamond. But my question was more along the lines of why is it not seen as such.

It has been asked and answered many times, but often closed mindedness and conspiracy theorizing, and viewing everything through a prism of believing every comment to be FUD or hate or shilling causes people to reject the obvious valid answer.

Small technical advantages don't, in general, allow a follower to overtake a leader. This is true in any market. It takes more than that. If the advantages become greater, or if the leader stumbles, then the follower can overtake, but rarely otherwise. This does not mean the follower can't still do quite well. Litecoin does quite well, as do #2 leaders in almost every market.

[windjc]

At this point, I'd like to sincerely understand what is wrong with this coin.

You've already declared it to be the diamond in your signature, so how why ask now?

It is the diamond. But my question was more along the lines of why is it not seen as such.

It has been asked and answered many times, but often closed mindedness and conspiracy theorizing, and viewing everything through a prism of believing every comment to be FUD or hate or shilling causes people to reject the obvious valid answer.

Small technical advantages don't, in general, allow a follower to overtake a leader. This is true in any market. It takes more than that. If the advantages become greater, or if the leader stumbles, then the follower can overtake, but rarely otherwise. This does not mean the follower can't still do quite well. Litecoin does quite well, as do #2 leaders in almost every market.

Except when comparing XMR to BBR, both are so tiny and insignificant, it hardly matters who is currently "in the lead."

[twistelaar]

simple question, HOLD or SELL BBR? I see price dropped a lot..

[smooth]

SuperNET is NOT a coin. do you understand this?

Apparently he doesn't (nor do I, although I do understand teleport, after a lot of effort to do so) and this appears to be a common thread with your projects. Think about that. Just a bit of constructive criticism here. If it sounds like an attack it isn't meant that way at all.

Do you feel confused about how superNET is supposed to work on a technical level, or what it's attempting to offer on the user level?

All of the above, but also if you read the superNET asset documents there is a lot more going on than just "technical level." I'm sure that all the pieces fit together somehow in James's mind and that he believes it is all very compelling, but very few if any other people on this planet have been able to comprehend it.

[windjc]

SuperNET is NOT a coin. do you understand this?

Apparently he doesn't (nor do I, although I do understand teleport, after a lot of effort to do so) and this appears to be a common thread with your projects. Think about that. Just a bit of constructive criticism here. If it sounds like an attack it isn't meant that way at all.

I am looking to hire someone to explain things in proper form. Alas, it is not one of my skills.

+1 awesome. The greatest minds are often those that realize where their weaknesses are and surround themselves with the complimentary pieces. I wish I was qualified to write the whitepaper for you James, I'd do it for free. I just dont have the experience or expertise to help. I look forward to seeing who you hire.

[twistelaar]

HOLD OR SELL PEOPLE? TELL ME

[smooth]

At this point, I'd like to sincerely understand what is wrong with this coin.

You've already declared it to be the diamond in your signature, so how why ask now?

It is the diamond. But my question was more along the lines of why is it not seen as such.

It has been asked and answered many times, but often closed mindedness and conspiracy theorizing, and viewing everything through a prism of believing every comment to be FUD or hate or shilling causes people to reject the obvious valid answer.

Small technical advantages don't, in general, allow a follower to overtake a leader. This is true in any market. It takes more than that. If the advantages become greater, or if the leader stumbles, then the follower can overtake, but rarely otherwise. This does not mean the follower can't still do quite well. Litecoin does quite well, as do #2 leaders in almost every market.

Except when comparing XMR to BBR, both are so tiny and insignificant, it hardly matters who is currently "in the lead."

Apparently it does, because the relative positions have been persistent for a reasonable amount of time (only months but months are significant here IMO). I guess you will probably blame that on paranoid conspiracy theories or something along those lines, but I believe my explanation is sound and more likely to be more valid. That is obviously just opinion and I could certainly be wrong. If I were not involved at all in either coin, simply as an observer with some weak grasp of economic perspectives I would say the exact same thing.

[twistelaar]

Well I sold my BBR. Good luck with it!

[slapper]

At this point, I'd like to sincerely understand what is wrong with this coin.

You've already declared it to be the diamond in your signature, so how why ask now?

It is the diamond. But my question was more along the lines of why is it not seen as such.

It has been asked and answered many times, but often closed mindedness and conspiracy theorizing, and viewing everything through a prism of believing every comment to be FUD or hate or shilling causes people to reject the obvious valid answer.

Small technical advantages don't, in general, allow a follower to overtake a leader. This is true in any market. It takes more than that. If the advantages become greater, or if the leader stumbles, then the follower can overtake, but rarely otherwise. This does not mean the follower can't still do quite well. Litecoin does quite well, as do #2 leaders in almost every market.

It would make sense if you guys came up with the tech and the hard work. You didn't. You paid cryptographers (gmaxwell ?) to vet the whitepaper, which is your only contribution to date. So we all have to suffer that shit of a fork, when the guy who did most of the hard work is right here and improving and striving to improve everyday.

So much for leaders.

[jl777]

i am just offering a choice
i notice that people tend to feel quite strongly about which cipher is better and i prefer to avoid getting involved in such debates
my method allows people to choose their cipher (or cipher sequence)
the code is still not debugged yet, I just wrote the MofNfs calls yesterday, really as a good way to test the DHT calls I coded over the weekend.

is there a C library for the key derivation?

If you let users pick from ten options, they pick the best one in 10% of the cases  

https://password-hashing.net/candidates.html
Source code in C and specs in pdf.
Candidates support same kind of calling convention, but this competition is still a work-in-progress.
PHS(K, kLen, pwd, pwdLen, salt, saltLen, t_cost, m_cost))

These things are being discussed on Usenet group comp.security.phc
http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.security.phc

EDIT: related a bit, maybe gives you ideas https://minilock.io/

i doubt many users will be invoking the SuperNET API from command line. So the GUI designer can choose which cipher to use, etc. Let us hope the GUI designers have a better chance than 10%

that minilock looks really cool! No reason it cant be done in the GUI and then the save/restore calls would be with already encrypted data, so no need to use the built in encryption.

I already have the libtom and nacl libs integrated so just allowing API access to it, nothing forces people to use any of these 18 ciphers if they dont want to.

Anyway, thanks for the URLs

James

[surfer43]

Well I sold my BBR. Good luck with it!

2014-10-07 22:14:39   Sell   0.0005411   3 BBR   0.0016233
2014-10-07 22:14:35   Sell   0.0005411   1.5 BBR   0.00081165

Sorry to see you go.

[Este Nuno]

SuperNET is NOT a coin. do you understand this?

Apparently he doesn't (nor do I, although I do understand teleport, after a lot of effort to do so) and this appears to be a common thread with your projects. Think about that. Just a bit of constructive criticism here. If it sounds like an attack it isn't meant that way at all.

Do you feel confused about how superNET is supposed to work on a technical level, or what it's attempting to offer on the user level?

All of the above, but also if you read the superNET asset documents there is a lot more going on than just "technical level." I'm sure that all the pieces fit together somehow in James's mind and that he believes it is all very compelling, but very few if any other people on this planet have been able to comprehend it.

But forgetting about the way it's structured as an asset, I find the concept pretty simple but it seems people don't see it that way. What it means for crypto users should be pretty simple(that's the whole point). Giving people a simple GUI where they can access multiple currencies and services. Like a portal for crypto. Innovation in crypto seems to move at an incremental pace, so having a single point of access for users that can have upgrades added over time as new currencies come a long that offer new tech seems like a pretty good idea to me. Dividing the user base among different cryptos that all offer their own features doesn't make as much sense as providing a platform where each piece that gets added becomes another part of the puzzle.

I think people get too caught up on the whole asset part of it. People seem to intentionally ignore it because of that, or pull up some sort of wall where they automatically dismiss the whole project(not directed at you, but people in general on this forum). I don't really understand why, but it seems no one understands the base concept. Or maybe they do and they're just specifically misunderstanding wither the asset structure of superNET, or the technical part. Which is fine, especially the technical part as some of those pieces still need to be finished.

Perhaps the documentation should be split in to three separate parts: the user interface, the asset, and the technical documentation. For now all most people need to understand is what it's supposed to mean for the user. Once they understand that they can research the asset part if they want. And more technical people can do their thing with the technical documentation.

[windjc]

SuperNET is NOT a coin. do you understand this?

Apparently he doesn't (nor do I, although I do understand teleport, after a lot of effort to do so) and this appears to be a common thread with your projects. Think about that. Just a bit of constructive criticism here. If it sounds like an attack it isn't meant that way at all.

Do you feel confused about how superNET is supposed to work on a technical level, or what it's attempting to offer on the user level?

All of the above, but also if you read the superNET asset documents there is a lot more going on than just "technical level." I'm sure that all the pieces fit together somehow in James's mind and that he believes it is all very compelling, but very few if any other people on this planet have been able to comprehend it.

But forgetting about the way it's structured as an asset, I find the concept pretty simple but it seems people don't see it that way. What it means for crypto users should be pretty simple(that's the whole point). Giving people a simple GUI where they can access multiple currencies and services. Like a portal for crypto. Innovation in crypto seems to move at an incremental pace, so having a single point of access for users that can have upgrades added over time as new currencies come a long that offer new tech seems like a pretty good idea to me. Dividing the user base among different cryptos that all offer their own features doesn't make as much sense as providing a platform where each piece that gets added becomes another part of the puzzle.

I think people get too caught up on the whole asset part of it. People seem to intentionally ignore it because of that, or pull up some sort of wall where they automatically dismiss the whole project(not directed at you, but people in general on this forum). I don't really understand why, but it seems no one understands the base concept. Or maybe they do and they're just specifically misunderstanding wither the asset structure of superNET, or the technical part. Which is fine, especially the technical part as some of those pieces still need to be finished.

Perhaps the documentation should be split in to three separate parts: the user interface, the asset, and the technical documentation. For now all most people need to understand is what it's supposed to mean for the user. Once they understand that they can research the asset part if they want. And more technical people can do their thing with the technical documentation.

If people do dismiss it because its an asset or a "holding" as I like to think of it, its really mind boggling. Because, unlike a crypto which is almost purely speculative, SuperNet is backed by holdings that are valued close to the price of 1 supernet asset. In fact, some people have bought Supernet BELOW its combined holdings value.

So, in addition to consistently adding more to its portfolio of holdings, thus slow increasing the actually value of a SuperNet asset, it also is a tech that allow for the eco-system of crypto to grow based off the strongest tech coins.

It boggles the mind that people have a hard time with this concept.

[jd1959]

 To James

Thanks for your coding efforts and vision. Just try to ignore doubters, if you build it they will come even if they don't understand all the tech. Not everyone who owns BTC understands every aspect of it.

To CZ

Thanks for your dedication while everyone is venting there frustration at not being an insider.

To Everybody

If you want BBR to succeed maybe we could do a bit of mining and direct the payment to CZ's account listed on OP. I for one will do this, before anyone screams at me please think about whats being going on.

It seems pretty obvious that CZ rejected some whales offer for funding because he wasn't prepared to give them the inside info giving them a trading advantage over everyone else, or there usual Pump'n'Dump BS

So hey lets support an HONEST man.

Jon 

[slapper]

Facts:
BBR has a smaller blockchain, syncs faster, and has an official gui.
XMR has a dev team, unofficial guis.
Neither BBR or XMR is used in any significant way

Opinions:
Tacotime's opinion may be biased. The privacy of neither approach to ring signatures has been thoroughly tested.
Cryptonote devs? They have their own agenda.
Some say BBR has better emission curve (you, rpietila) but who knows. Cryptocurrencies are too new.
BBR is better
XMR is better

I would fully support BBR.

~BCX~

Just curious...is this still the case?

If so, BBR is on a massive discount right now.

One can pick up loads of BBR and XMR for reasonable prices, historically speaking, today.

If your intention is to imply that BCX's opinion counts (as anything except possibly to the contrary), I am flabbergasted.

What the guy said has not come true, so in my books whatever he says from then on, is just air.

Speaking of that, BBR's price may have seen the first air escaping from the pump. Expect more to follow.

I still symphatisize for BBR. When the price goes to sustainable level, the only thing hindering me from buying it is the community (or the lack thereof). If XMR cannot make it despite the dream team, I give very small chances for BBR making it either. And if XMR does make it, BBR will wither away or become a community coin for privacy-conscious people that for a reason or another hate XMR (a little bit like LTC vs. BTC).

It is true XMR is in a massive discount, built up over weeks if not months, as negative event after another has always snuffed the rally. Good thing is, there is much more pressure in the pot now, and the positive developments that will come in the nearest 2 weeks will be the spark to take us higher pricewise also. Today is already the 3rd day in a row with a higher high.

At least someone is symphatisizing (sic)  And here is your leadership right here. Place fake buy walls, get others to hop on it, make them shill day and night and we have a weener. Conspiracies be damned.

[darlidada]

@Slapper: how can you be so harsh with rpietila when BBR had windjc who was here for pump and dumps purpose and left as soon as CZ put a stop to his schemes? how else do you explain the lack of price support and the big dump right before the announcement?

its really funny how the doxa on the bbr thread is "rpietila is the one hurting xmr" whereas he's been supporting from the beginning and shows no sign of giving up.

here you have windjc, resorting to shameful tactics. its beyond me how the man can still post in this thread and feel no shame

also, if BBR is that low, its nobody's fault but CZ. He could have set the whole thing straight from the get go. He didnt. He could still do it today. He doesnt. You guys seem not to understand that whales are looking to invest in a project which shows transparency and openness. all the shadiness around BBR is not really attracting. some of us take the risk and gamble, but in the end we're a minority

[smooth]

It would make sense if you guys came up with the tech and the hard work. You didn't. You paid cryptographers (gmaxwell ?) to vet the whitepaper, which is your only contribution to date.

First off that's wrong. There is a lot of hard work we've done, some of that is still in progress (database and GUI), some of it is deployed. There are several of our own "whitepapers" in addition to the review of the cryptonote whitepaper (also please don't assume by my silence that I'm agreeing or disagreeing with your speculation about who did the review, because I'm not).

Nevertheless, it doesn't have to make sense to you and what I'm suggesting is that when reality doesn't agree with what makes sense, reconsider your assumptions or model.

IMO a lot of attention is wasted by BBR supporters going after XMR with name calling and sig snipes, when in fact helping XMR would also help BBR because BBR would be pulled up behind XMR (and still be positioned to overtake if XMR stumbles). Both coins can easily improve greatly in terms of underlying technology, and also easily increase 100x in value. I think everyone would be happy with that.

[hero18688]

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