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[tljenson]

he never said anything was shady about it. you admit you are reading between the lines. most likely the issue was they wanted cz to minimize bbr within the scope of the larger project and/or take too many liberties with cz's hard work. that is my "reading between the lines". i dont know much of windj but from what ive seen he is quite professional.

There may be purely technical reasons to not implement, or simply just to not implement it in SuperNet, yet.
One that would cause me to pause is that if SuperNet allows all the features of one coin to be used by another, does it also allow all the bugs to be exploited?
What is the mechanism that prevents the weakest link from breaking the chain (or mobile phone network or whichever analogy works for you)?

CZ may simply believe that BBR is more secure than at least one other in the SuperNet and wants to wait until it is more mature/secure.  It need not be rushed.  I respect CZ for keeping the reasons private in this matter.

The fundraiser had nothing to do with BBR intergration with Supernet. BBR and Supernet are still a "go."

+1000

The problem it seems to me, is we have a lot of people talking out of their asses, because they don't understand what SuperNet is and how it relates to the coins future or what it has to do with the fundraiser which is a completely separate from SuperNet. I think people need to spend some time educating themselves. I wouldn't be surprised if that's one of the reasons CZ is so leery about making a commitment. I for one admit my ignorance. I'm not a programmer or coder, but I'm very intrigued and interested in this coin and the SuperNet Project. As to windjc, from what I've heard him say, has done nothing but gone out of his way to support this coin, and to do whatever is in his power for it to succeed. People are quick to jump to conclusions based of the simple fact that CZ disagreed with him. As far as I can see he is the only person that has anything constructive to offer. I think I'll take my own advice and spend some time reading up on SuperNet.

[romanornr]

R WE MOON YET?!

[NewLiberty]

he never said anything was shady about it. you admit you are reading between the lines. most likely the issue was they wanted cz to minimize bbr within the scope of the larger project and/or take too many liberties with cz's hard work. that is my "reading between the lines". i dont know much of windj but from what ive seen he is quite professional.

There may be purely technical reasons to not implement, or simply just to not implement it in SuperNet, yet.
One that would cause me to pause is that if SuperNet allows all the features of one coin to be used by another, does it also allow all the bugs to be exploited?
What is the mechanism that prevents the weakest link from breaking the chain (or mobile phone network or whichever analogy works for you)?

CZ may simply believe that BBR is more secure than at least one other in the SuperNet and wants to wait until it is more mature/secure.  It need not be rushed.  I respect CZ for keeping the reasons private in this matter.

The fundraiser had nothing to do with BBR intergration with Supernet. BBR and Supernet are still a "go."

+1000

The problem it seems to me, is we have a lot of people talking out of their asses, because they don't understand what SuperNet is and how it relates to the coins future or what it has to do with the fundraiser which is a completely separate from SuperNet. I think people need to spend some time educating themselves. I wouldn't be surprised if that's one of the reasons CZ is so leery about making a commitment. I for one admit my ignorance. I'm not a programmer or coder, but I'm very intrigued and interested in this coin and the SuperNet Project. As to windjc, from what I've heard him say, has done nothing but gone out of his way to support this coin, and to do whatever is in his power for it to succeed. People are quick to jump to conclusions based of the simple fact that CZ disagreed with him. As far as I can see he is the only person that has anything constructive to offer. I think I'll take my own advice and spend some time reading up on SuperNet.

I've spent a lot more time reading up on SuperNet than that time has gained me in understanding how it works.  I do understand what it proposes to offer.

There is much written on what it hopes to achieve.  There are many new words created to describe it.  There are many analogies used.  What is missing is the rudely mechanical structures.  Going to have to look at code, the marketing spins my head too much.

I'm left with the sense that SuperNet has a LOT more to gain by incorporating anonymity than BBR has to gain from SuperNet, and the reasons for that are not particularly reassuring.  I just don't see a reason for CZ to rush this.

[windjc]

he never said anything was shady about it. you admit you are reading between the lines. most likely the issue was they wanted cz to minimize bbr within the scope of the larger project and/or take too many liberties with cz's hard work. that is my "reading between the lines". i dont know much of windj but from what ive seen he is quite professional.

There may be purely technical reasons to not implement, or simply just to not implement it in SuperNet, yet.
One that would cause me to pause is that if SuperNet allows all the features of one coin to be used by another, does it also allow all the bugs to be exploited?
What is the mechanism that prevents the weakest link from breaking the chain (or mobile phone network or whichever analogy works for you)?

CZ may simply believe that BBR is more secure than at least one other in the SuperNet and wants to wait until it is more mature/secure.  It need not be rushed.  I respect CZ for keeping the reasons private in this matter.

The fundraiser had nothing to do with BBR intergration with Supernet. BBR and Supernet are still a "go."

+1000

The problem it seems to me, is we have a lot of people talking out of their asses, because they don't understand what SuperNet is and how it relates to the coins future or what it has to do with the fundraiser which is a completely separate from SuperNet. I think people need to spend some time educating themselves. I wouldn't be surprised if that's one of the reasons CZ is so leery about making a commitment. I for one admit my ignorance. I'm not a programmer or coder, but I'm very intrigued and interested in this coin and the SuperNet Project. As to windjc, from what I've heard him say, has done nothing but gone out of his way to support this coin, and to do whatever is in his power for it to succeed. People are quick to jump to conclusions based of the simple fact that CZ disagreed with him. As far as I can see he is the only person that has anything constructive to offer. I think I'll take my own advice and spend some time reading up on SuperNet.

I've spent a lot more time reading up on SuperNet than that time has gained me in understanding how it works.  I do understand what it proposes to offer.

There is much written on what it hopes to achieve.  There are many new words created to describe it.  There are many analogies used.  What is missing is the rudely mechanical structures.  Going to have to look at code, the marketing spins my head too much.

I'm left with the sense that SuperNet has a LOT more to gain by incorporating anonymity than BBR has to gain from SuperNet, and the reasons for that are not particularly reassuring.  I just don't see a reason for CZ to rush this.

Wouldn't you start here? 

Also, I think a lot of crypto coders don't understand "C" very well, so right now even the code is a little out of their depth.

But I think its great if you look at the code.

[maxcan]

I'm disappoint he still with supernet.

why do you say that?

[Eastwind]

I just want to say with windjc out and with your decision to turn down funding for whatever principles they wanted you to go against.  I applaud you.  If I can get some bbr's cheap enough I may  Regardless of the price - your decision reconfirmed legitimacy.  I hope we can figure out the funding.

Shall we change the project donation to 2-5% of the minted coins?

[crypto_zoidberg]

I'm disappoint he still with supernet.

why do you say that?

Just my opinion on nxt and stuff.

nxt != James
&
nxt != SuperNet

James do projects that run on nxt platform as i understand it.

btw: why you don't give a chances to SuperNet ?

[pt7]

I just want to say with windjc out and with your decision to turn down funding for whatever principles they wanted you to go against.  I applaud you.  If I can get some bbr's cheap enough I may  Regardless of the price - your decision reconfirmed legitimacy.  I hope we can figure out the funding.

Shall we change the project donation to 2-5% of the minted coins?

My vote is 5%.
I wonder if clintar's address donation format (YOURADDRESS#DONATIONADDRESS%PERCENT) can be expanded to include multiple donations
e.g., YOURADDRESS#DONATIONADDRESS1%PERCENT#DONATIONADDRESS2%PERCENT
Or will it hit the command line limit?
Aliases would be nice: e.g.,  @myalias#@mbk%1#@devfund%4
This percentage would be in "addition to" the project percentage

[otila]

I wonder if clintar's address donation format (YOURADDRESS#DONATIONADDRESS%PERCENT) can be expanded to include multiple donations
e.g., YOURADDRESS#DONATIONADDRESS1%PERCENT#DONATIONADDRESS2%PERCENT
Or will it hit the command line limit?

Code:

$ getconf ARG_MAX
2097152
$ ulimit -s 32768
$ getconf ARG_MAX
8388608

(getconf in bytes, ulimit in kilobytes)
Windows users unfortunately have probably smaller limits.

[maxcan]

I don't know about james/dont care either, and so far i think im not personally affected by his business, whatever their nature may be, but nxt is a dark scammy spot on the crypto world that rains over all coins, i don't get supernet and i don't get why a pow coin want to do with it, but if its not really related to nxt it maybe a good sign, i'm still staying away, too many dark clouds over it, but to not keeping going offtopic i'll end saying its just my opinion

do you dislike it because it's 100% PoS? i really don't know much about it. i've wondered how someone might implement a crypto that didn't require a PoW without being able to sell off the while lot if it gained some value.

anyway, i should think zoidberg has enough sense to take care to learn fully how supernet works before building it into bbr after all his hard work on it  

No rise, I don't know why fund raising was canceled, I suggested the same to Monero a long time ago and I think its the way to go rather than rely on the will of a few unknowns investors (bbr case).

what kind of fundraising do you mean? for what purpose - helping zoidberg? advertising?

[pt7]

I just want to say with windjc out and with your decision to turn down funding for whatever principles they wanted you to go against.  I applaud you.  If I can get some bbr's cheap enough I may  Regardless of the price - your decision reconfirmed legitimacy.  I hope we can figure out the funding.

Shall we change the project donation to 2-5% of the minted coins?

My vote is 5%.
I wonder if clintar's address donation format (YOURADDRESS#DONATIONADDRESS%PERCENT) can be expanded to include multiple donations
e.g., YOURADDRESS#DONATIONADDRESS1%PERCENT#DONATIONADDRESS2%PERCENT
Or will it hit the command line limit?
Aliases would be nice: e.g.,  @myalias#mbk%1#@devfund%4
This percentage would be in "addition to" the project percentage

No rise, I don't know why fund raising was canceled, I suggested the same to Monero a long time ago and I think its the way to go rather than rely on the will of a few unknowns investors (bbr case).

If many feel strongly about "no rise", then my suggestion is strictly between the miner and the pool operator.  One can choose (or create) a pool that has a zero donation policy.

[maxcan]

If many feel strongly about "no rise", then my suggestion is strictly between the miner and the pool operator.  One can choose (or create) a pool that has a zero donation policy.

it might be more valuable for a pool to scale their donations based on the price of the coin. 5% sounds well enough based on how much it will support zoidberg at the current going rate, but silly if you consider the total supply. IF we want only to help him day to day.

but as you said, pools can pick their own donation %, so the miners will decide what proportion of which % is donated!

[iCEBREAKER]

a lot of crypto coders don't understand "C" very well, so right now even the code is a little out of their depth.

I understand that C is not ideal for security purposes compared to C++, and its usage was responsible for the Troll Block exploit that recently caused Monero no small amount hassle.

[podizzle]

im glad to hear that the supernet deal with bbr is still on! two great techs combined into one!!!!

[tljenson]

I am really happy, that some of you are talking about how to better the coin. Gives me hope that the coin can move forward. THE XST forum has descended into chaos, page after page of trolls and fudsters, and the idiots who engage them. Its one of the indicators I use when I'm investing in a coin. How much positive interest there is in a coin, and signs that the dev and the community are interested in helping promote the coin, and to improve on it. The idea of increasing the donation to 5% is the first constructive thing I've heard since CZ decided not to go forward with the fundraiser.

[TooDumbForBitcoin]

I am really happy, that some of you are talking about how to better the coin. Gives me hope that the coin can move forward. THE XST forum has descended into chaos, page after page of trolls and fudsters, and the idiots who engage them. Its one of the indicators I use when I'm investing in a coin. How much positive interest there is in a coin, and signs that the dev and the community are interested in helping promote the coin, and to improve on it. The idea of increasing the donation to 5% is the first constructive thing I've heard since CZ decided not to go forward with the fundraiser.

Increasing the donation to 6% is a 20% better idea.

[iCEBREAKER]

I just want to say with windjc out and with your decision to turn down funding for whatever principles they wanted you to go against.  I applaud you.  If I can get some bbr's cheap enough I may  Regardless of the price - your decision reconfirmed legitimacy.  I hope we can figure out the funding.

Shall we change the project donation to 2-5% of the minted coins?

I think a 'Coin Maintenance and Development' fee of 2-5% is not only justified, but required by circumstance.

Charge the miners a 2-5% tax of each block of CZ's coin they find, to compensate him for his work and provide for the future of the coin.

[clintar]

I am really happy, that some of you are talking about how to better the coin. Gives me hope that the coin can move forward. THE XST forum has descended into chaos, page after page of trolls and fudsters, and the idiots who engage them. Its one of the indicators I use when I'm investing in a coin. How much positive interest there is in a coin, and signs that the dev and the community are interested in helping promote the coin, and to improve on it. The idea of increasing the donation to 5% is the first constructive thing I've heard since CZ decided not to go forward with the fundraiser.

Increasing the donation to 6% is a 20% better idea.

Math joke.  
I got it.

I've added a 2% dev fee at my pool, and lowered my fee to 1%. Maybe I'll set up another pool instance that will listen on another port with a higher fee, and possibly reverse it at some point, so the main ports mine at 4%, and the alternate ports only do 2%. Any other ideas/comments/name calling because I just went ahead and did it?

[tljenson]

I am really happy, that some of you are talking about how to better the coin. Gives me hope that the coin can move forward. THE XST forum has descended into chaos, page after page of trolls and fudsters, and the idiots who engage them. Its one of the indicators I use when I'm investing in a coin. How much positive interest there is in a coin, and signs that the dev and the community are interested in helping promote the coin, and to improve on it. The idea of increasing the donation to 5% is the first constructive thing I've heard since CZ decided not to go forward with the fundraiser.

Increasing the donation to 6% is a 20% better idea.

Well you certainly not Too Dumb for Bitcoin. Yous should change your handle  

[tljenson]

I just want to say with windjc out and with your decision to turn down funding for whatever principles they wanted you to go against.  I applaud you.  If I can get some bbr's cheap enough I may  Regardless of the price - your decision reconfirmed legitimacy.  I hope we can figure out the funding.

Shall we change the project donation to 2-5% of the minted coins?

I think a 'Coin Maintenance and Development' fee of 2-5% is not only justified, but required by circumstance.

Charge the miners a 2-5% tax of each block of CZ's coin they find, to compensate him for his work and provide for the future of the coin.

+1 Now that is more like it!!