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January 15, 2015, 05:06:51 AM
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www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/2sh974/coinaday_monero/

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January 15, 2015, 05:58:19 AM
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Decided to invest in monero since bitcoin is falling, hope i made the right choice. Grin
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January 15, 2015, 06:01:55 AM
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So i havnt really been keeping up with whats going on here. Do we have databases worked out? Do we finally have it so that monero isnt loading the blockchain into ram? Do we have a dev supported gui? In general whats changed?

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January 15, 2015, 07:55:55 AM
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So i havnt really been keeping up with whats going on here. Do we have databases worked out? Do we finally have it so that monero isnt loading the blockchain into ram? Do we have a dev supported gui? In general whats changed?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg10062838#msg10062838
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January 15, 2015, 10:14:27 AM
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Look how bitcoin falls down. This is a chance for Monero to replace even Bitcoin...
I don't want to say that Monero should compete Bitcoin. It's somewhat a metaphore.

I just want to say Monero core team CAN attract investors right now under very comfortable conditions - that investors will just donate to core team without requiring profit back. Monero is under median of its cost, roughly 0.003 BTC, while now roughly 0.001. Investors can easily do 3:1 profit and meanwhile, donate the Monero core team.

According 2015 roadmap,

https://forum.monero.cc/1/news-and-announcements/134/monday-monero-missives-22-year-in-review-january-5th-2015

I think there are just 3 key things Monero core team should implement in 2015 in order of priority:
1) i2p integration
2) a finalised, working, tested blockchain DB implementation using LMDB
3) multi-signature transactions

Other points of 2015 roadmap will be done automatically even by third parties. For example, GUI wallet or electrum-style wallet.
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January 15, 2015, 11:30:43 AM
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So i havnt really been keeping up with whats going on here. Do we have databases worked out? Do we finally have it so that monero isnt loading the blockchain into ram? Do we have a dev supported gui? In general whats changed?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg10062838#msg10062838

I can tell you first hand that the daemon is working with the database. On my 2 gig computer, it uses 800 megs of ram. So far I've run it for multiple 8 hour runs on the main net. I'm currently running it continuously - gonna see how long it goes.

I highly recommend that anyone who can should test drive the database.

I forget if it was explicitly stated somewhere, but in my mind, the logic was - we need to get the blockchain out of memory before releasing the GUI... so, the sooner the database build is released, the sooner the GUI happens.... so if you really wanna see things happen, you're gonna have to beta test the database build! At some point I can provide noob-approved instructions for doing this, and I'm thinking about offering XMR rewards for bug reports. I don't have much XMR to reward with, and I don't want to be taken to the bank with false bug reports, so we'll have to figure out a method.

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January 15, 2015, 11:43:03 AM
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Hey guys

We added Monero to out Altcoin NEWS and INFO Portal @satoshis.guru

Have a look!

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http://www.satoshis.guru/home/coin-info/monero/

http://www.satoshis.guru/home/coin-info/monero/graphs-monero/


greetz


Nice site! Thanks.

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January 15, 2015, 12:16:29 PM
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So i havnt really been keeping up with whats going on here. Do we have databases worked out? Do we finally have it so that monero isnt loading the blockchain into ram? Do we have a dev supported gui? In general whats changed?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg10062838#msg10062838

I can tell you first hand that the daemon is working with the database. On my 2 gig computer, it uses 800 megs of ram. So far I've run it for multiple 8 hour runs on the main net. I'm currently running it continuously - gonna see how long it goes.

I highly recommend that anyone who can should test drive the database.

I forget if it was explicitly stated somewhere, but in my mind, the logic was - we need to get the blockchain out of memory before releasing the GUI... so, the sooner the database build is released, the sooner the GUI happens.... so if you really wanna see things happen, you're gonna have to beta test the database build! At some point I can provide noob-approved instructions for doing this, and I'm thinking about offering XMR rewards for bug reports. I don't have much XMR to reward with, and I don't want to be taken to the bank with false bug reports, so we'll have to figure out a method.

If you can make it so I can run the DB it will surely be noob-approved Tongue

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January 15, 2015, 12:32:52 PM
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So i havnt really been keeping up with whats going on here. Do we have databases worked out? Do we finally have it so that monero isnt loading the blockchain into ram? Do we have a dev supported gui? In general whats changed?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg10062838#msg10062838

I can tell you first hand that the daemon is working with the database. On my 2 gig computer, it uses 800 megs of ram. So far I've run it for multiple 8 hour runs on the main net. I'm currently running it continuously - gonna see how long it goes.

I highly recommend that anyone who can should test drive the database.

I forget if it was explicitly stated somewhere, but in my mind, the logic was - we need to get the blockchain out of memory before releasing the GUI... so, the sooner the database build is released, the sooner the GUI happens.... so if you really wanna see things happen, you're gonna have to beta test the database build! At some point I can provide noob-approved instructions for doing this, and I'm thinking about offering XMR rewards for bug reports. I don't have much XMR to reward with, and I don't want to be taken to the bank with false bug reports, so we'll have to figure out a method.

If you can make it so I can run the DB it will surely be noob-approved Tongue

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u on linux?

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Last edit: January 15, 2015, 01:29:40 PM by nioc
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Sorry I meant to say I was on windows which is where a true noob would be.  Is the DB still Linux only?

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January 15, 2015, 01:22:48 PM
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Windows will be the most important platform to get right for the DB and GUI release. I am happy to test on Windows 7 and maybe 8.1. Are there any instructions?
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January 15, 2015, 01:30:49 PM
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I've tested it exclusively in linux, but there are instructions to build in windows. I've never tried it. I'll start fiddling with it to work out the noob kinks. The devs say they've built it to run fine on windows, so it should.

I'll get back to yah after I give it a go and come up with a noob improved instruction set or I figure out how to distribute compiled binaries.

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January 15, 2015, 01:42:08 PM
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yes pretty much all those 3 and then slow but steady march to become a stable, mature native anonymous crypto currency... i'm pretty happy with the pace so far...  Grin

Look how bitcoin falls down. This is a chance for Monero to replace even Bitcoin...
I don't want to say that Monero should compete Bitcoin. It's somewhat a metaphore.

I just want to say Monero core team CAN attract investors right now under very comfortable conditions - that investors will just donate to core team without requiring profit back. Monero is under median of its cost, roughly 0.003 BTC, while now roughly 0.001. Investors can easily do 3:1 profit and meanwhile, donate the Monero core team.

According 2015 roadmap,

https://forum.monero.cc/1/news-and-announcements/134/monday-monero-missives-22-year-in-review-january-5th-2015

I think there are just 3 key things Monero core team should implement in 2015 in order of priority:
1) i2p integration
2) a finalised, working, tested blockchain DB implementation using LMDB
3) multi-signature transactions


Other points of 2015 roadmap will be done automatically even by third parties. For example, GUI wallet or electrum-style wallet.

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January 15, 2015, 02:24:13 PM
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thanks a lot for this explorer! thats what we need.

would be nice if not only the latest blocks would be visible.

hail to all my monero brothers and sisters. 25 cents today, wish i had some money left Grin


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January 15, 2015, 02:51:09 PM
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I just realised something can be improved on the gif. The Cryptonote part shall not show

Code:
5 XMR
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But
Code:
? XMR
?->?
Because even the amount of XMR sent is not known.

Can you remind me who I should contact?

]Where can I tip for this?
papa_lazzarou, you should create an openalias, like donate.moneroblocks.eu. Q: What is openalias? How does it work?

fluffypony, did you think about a croudfunding company? On kickstarter, indiegogo, etc?
crowdfunding usually has a counterparty: you fund us, you get a discount on the final product.
Since we are fair-launched, there is no "discount on final product" that we can offer.

Well in that case it's just a matter of doing what Bitcoin has done in order for Monero to gain value. Monero needs to be accepted as a payment method by more merchants just like Overstock, Newegg, TigerDirect, etc etc etc.
You forget one thing: the required technology is not here yet. Bitcoin had 5 years to create it, we've been around for six months. Current development is exactly about that: making the technology able to scale up. The GUI wallet will include everything that is needed for that - that's why the GUI wallet is more than a nice GUI wrapper.
Once the technology is ready, we plan to market Monero big time and have it accepted by merchants. But not before, because it would only lead to disappointment.

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January 15, 2015, 03:10:05 PM
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Code:
5 XMR
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But
Code:
? XMR
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Because even the amount of XMR sent is not known.

Good point, I will try and get around to updating gif this weekend. I've been meaning to anyway, but that will be some extra impetus.
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crowdfunding usually has a counterparty: you fund us, you get a discount on the final product.
Since we are fair-launched, there is no "discount on final product" that we can offer.

My opinion, such a discount is not necessary. Or even it has no sense at all since Monero is actualy 'pure', 'fair-launched' open-souce, academic-confirmed product.

You may point out to investors, they can easily get profit by buying cheap Monero now and selling expensive Monero after 3 things I've mentioned
will be done guaranteed DUE TO DONATIONS they'are making RIGHT NOW to your core team:
1) i2p integration
2) a finalised, working, tested blockchain DB implementation using LMDB
3) multi-signature transactions

Note, median Monero price for the whole 2014 was roughly 0.003 BTC, while now it is 0.001. So to reach back median price after 1)-3) will be done is almost guaranteed by the Probability theory. Furthermore, when 1)-3) will be done, you will almost AUTOMATICALLY attract new people and price will go far beyond median 0.003!

So you may explain to investors, they have profit 3:1 or much more. Explain right now. And Bitcoin price that falling down more and more is a good circumstance you may use.
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January 15, 2015, 03:33:54 PM
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A lot of people (rightly) complain about the lack of marketing for Monero. There are two reasons for that. The first is that marketing an alpha software is a surefire way to disappoint a lot of people who won’t give it a second chance later on. The second is that it is not the job of the core team, which takes care of the technical development. This is the job of MEW (what is MEW?).

Last weeks, I've been working with a restricted team (namely, ArticMine and lyth0s) on a website for MEW. Contrary to the monero.cc website which is, in both its current and future iterations, a website devoted to the technology and everything the core team is working on, this new website will be devoted to the non technical aspects: improving visibility and fostering economy (this will include crypto-kingdom). As a reminder, I am a member of both the core team and the MEW.

My philosophy (most of it is from The Cathedral and the Bazaar and Wikipedia):

DONE - release early, release often;
       done is better than perfect;
       JFDI, Just Fuckin Do It (© jaybeeuk).
KISS - keep it simple, it'll get complex by itself soon enough;
       when something is done, check how to achieve the same thing, but simpler;
       perfection is when there is nothing more to take away.
PLAN - have some vision, know where you're going;
       this may mean doing "nothing" for days - it's fine.
NICE - assume good faith.
HELP - learn to delegate and to do it well;
       doing everything yourself is a fail, not a success;
       avoid the Not-Invented-Here™ syndrome.
QUIT - You’ll eventually quit so look in advance for competent successor.

So here it is, a Drupal-powered website which is multilingual, mobile-ready, multi-user and has a static part, a forum, a wiki, one blog per user, a CRM and probably more as time goes on. My job now (I am a plant) is much less to add more stuff and much more to allow empowerment: seize this website as yours. I'll be here to help you, but I'd like this website to be driven by the community - irrespective of whether or not you are MEW members - although MEW will ultimately have some advantages, of course.

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Thanks David and other contributors for this. It looks nice at first glance.
But why yet another forum??

Monero's privacy and therefore fungibility are MUCH stronger than Bitcoin's. 
This makes Monero a better candidate to deserve the term "digital cash".
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Good point, I will try and get around to updating gif this weekend. I've been meaning to anyway, but that will be some extra impetus.
Thanks

You may point out to investors, they can easily get profit by buying cheap Monero now and selling expensive Monero after 3 things I've mentioned
Thus it is not a crowdfunding. It is a donation.
We asked many times (dev fund, hall of fame, MEW) and none of them worked. Maybe it was not announce the right way (like what you propose), but I still doubt it. That being said, why not try again, especially now that I have released moneroeconomy.com


Thanks David and other contributors for this. It looks nice at first glance.
But why yet another forum??
Trying to see if it works. Some things will, some things won't. All are possible with Drupal with low maintenance and sharing accounts. For instance, if you decide to create a blog, you have you same login for the forum. Plus, the idea of "leaving bitcointalk" is still here.

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