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January 15, 2015, 01:42:08 PM
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yes pretty much all those 3 and then slow but steady march to become a stable, mature native anonymous crypto currency... i'm pretty happy with the pace so far...  Grin

Look how bitcoin falls down. This is a chance for Monero to replace even Bitcoin...
I don't want to say that Monero should compete Bitcoin. It's somewhat a metaphore.

I just want to say Monero core team CAN attract investors right now under very comfortable conditions - that investors will just donate to core team without requiring profit back. Monero is under median of its cost, roughly 0.003 BTC, while now roughly 0.001. Investors can easily do 3:1 profit and meanwhile, donate the Monero core team.

According 2015 roadmap,

https://forum.monero.cc/1/news-and-announcements/134/monday-monero-missives-22-year-in-review-january-5th-2015

I think there are just 3 key things Monero core team should implement in 2015 in order of priority:
1) i2p integration
2) a finalised, working, tested blockchain DB implementation using LMDB
3) multi-signature transactions


Other points of 2015 roadmap will be done automatically even by third parties. For example, GUI wallet or electrum-style wallet.

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January 15, 2015, 02:24:13 PM
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thanks a lot for this explorer! thats what we need.

would be nice if not only the latest blocks would be visible.

hail to all my monero brothers and sisters. 25 cents today, wish i had some money left Grin


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January 15, 2015, 02:51:09 PM
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I just realised something can be improved on the gif. The Cryptonote part shall not show

Code:
5 XMR
?->?
But
Code:
? XMR
?->?
Because even the amount of XMR sent is not known.

Can you remind me who I should contact?

]Where can I tip for this?
papa_lazzarou, you should create an openalias, like donate.moneroblocks.eu. Q: What is openalias? How does it work?

fluffypony, did you think about a croudfunding company? On kickstarter, indiegogo, etc?
crowdfunding usually has a counterparty: you fund us, you get a discount on the final product.
Since we are fair-launched, there is no "discount on final product" that we can offer.

Well in that case it's just a matter of doing what Bitcoin has done in order for Monero to gain value. Monero needs to be accepted as a payment method by more merchants just like Overstock, Newegg, TigerDirect, etc etc etc.
You forget one thing: the required technology is not here yet. Bitcoin had 5 years to create it, we've been around for six months. Current development is exactly about that: making the technology able to scale up. The GUI wallet will include everything that is needed for that - that's why the GUI wallet is more than a nice GUI wrapper.
Once the technology is ready, we plan to market Monero big time and have it accepted by merchants. But not before, because it would only lead to disappointment.

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January 15, 2015, 03:10:05 PM
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Code:
5 XMR
?->?
But
Code:
? XMR
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Because even the amount of XMR sent is not known.

Good point, I will try and get around to updating gif this weekend. I've been meaning to anyway, but that will be some extra impetus.
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crowdfunding usually has a counterparty: you fund us, you get a discount on the final product.
Since we are fair-launched, there is no "discount on final product" that we can offer.

My opinion, such a discount is not necessary. Or even it has no sense at all since Monero is actualy 'pure', 'fair-launched' open-souce, academic-confirmed product.

You may point out to investors, they can easily get profit by buying cheap Monero now and selling expensive Monero after 3 things I've mentioned
will be done guaranteed DUE TO DONATIONS they'are making RIGHT NOW to your core team:
1) i2p integration
2) a finalised, working, tested blockchain DB implementation using LMDB
3) multi-signature transactions

Note, median Monero price for the whole 2014 was roughly 0.003 BTC, while now it is 0.001. So to reach back median price after 1)-3) will be done is almost guaranteed by the Probability theory. Furthermore, when 1)-3) will be done, you will almost AUTOMATICALLY attract new people and price will go far beyond median 0.003!

So you may explain to investors, they have profit 3:1 or much more. Explain right now. And Bitcoin price that falling down more and more is a good circumstance you may use.
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January 15, 2015, 03:33:54 PM
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A lot of people (rightly) complain about the lack of marketing for Monero. There are two reasons for that. The first is that marketing an alpha software is a surefire way to disappoint a lot of people who won’t give it a second chance later on. The second is that it is not the job of the core team, which takes care of the technical development. This is the job of MEW (what is MEW?).

Last weeks, I've been working with a restricted team (namely, ArticMine and lyth0s) on a website for MEW. Contrary to the monero.cc website which is, in both its current and future iterations, a website devoted to the technology and everything the core team is working on, this new website will be devoted to the non technical aspects: improving visibility and fostering economy (this will include crypto-kingdom). As a reminder, I am a member of both the core team and the MEW.

My philosophy (most of it is from The Cathedral and the Bazaar and Wikipedia):

DONE - release early, release often;
       done is better than perfect;
       JFDI, Just Fuckin Do It (© jaybeeuk).
KISS - keep it simple, it'll get complex by itself soon enough;
       when something is done, check how to achieve the same thing, but simpler;
       perfection is when there is nothing more to take away.
PLAN - have some vision, know where you're going;
       this may mean doing "nothing" for days - it's fine.
NICE - assume good faith.
HELP - learn to delegate and to do it well;
       doing everything yourself is a fail, not a success;
       avoid the Not-Invented-Here™ syndrome.
QUIT - You’ll eventually quit so look in advance for competent successor.

So here it is, a Drupal-powered website which is multilingual, mobile-ready, multi-user and has a static part, a forum, a wiki, one blog per user, a CRM and probably more as time goes on. My job now (I am a plant) is much less to add more stuff and much more to allow empowerment: seize this website as yours. I'll be here to help you, but I'd like this website to be driven by the community - irrespective of whether or not you are MEW members - although MEW will ultimately have some advantages, of course.

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Thanks David and other contributors for this. It looks nice at first glance.
But why yet another forum??

Monero's privacy and therefore fungibility are MUCH stronger than Bitcoin's. 
This makes Monero a better candidate to deserve the term "digital cash".
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January 15, 2015, 03:57:42 PM
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Good point, I will try and get around to updating gif this weekend. I've been meaning to anyway, but that will be some extra impetus.
Thanks

You may point out to investors, they can easily get profit by buying cheap Monero now and selling expensive Monero after 3 things I've mentioned
Thus it is not a crowdfunding. It is a donation.
We asked many times (dev fund, hall of fame, MEW) and none of them worked. Maybe it was not announce the right way (like what you propose), but I still doubt it. That being said, why not try again, especially now that I have released moneroeconomy.com


Thanks David and other contributors for this. It looks nice at first glance.
But why yet another forum??
Trying to see if it works. Some things will, some things won't. All are possible with Drupal with low maintenance and sharing accounts. For instance, if you decide to create a blog, you have you same login for the forum. Plus, the idea of "leaving bitcointalk" is still here.

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January 15, 2015, 04:13:25 PM
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I think moneroclub would be a nice addition to the main page slideshow. As if suggesting "you can buy it here [monero club] and you can track your account here [mymonero]".

Can we add/edit content?

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January 15, 2015, 04:19:07 PM
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thanks a lot for this explorer! thats what we need.

would be nice if not only the latest blocks would be visible.

hail to all my monero brothers and sisters. 25 cents today, wish i had some money left Grin


Anything to make you happy. Cheesy

Just added a Block Browser to Monero Blocks.




thank you so much! just sent you some xmr, you are great Kiss

have fun

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If there are fairly simple instructions on how to test the DB and report bugs or issues I have a couple of spare computers I could use to assist with testing (Windows 8.1).  Please provide a link if such instructions exist.

So i havnt really been keeping up with whats going on here. Do we have databases worked out? Do we finally have it so that monero isnt loading the blockchain into ram? Do we have a dev supported gui? In general whats changed?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg10062838#msg10062838

I can tell you first hand that the daemon is working with the database. On my 2 gig computer, it uses 800 megs of ram. So far I've run it for multiple 8 hour runs on the main net. I'm currently running it continuously - gonna see how long it goes.

I highly recommend that anyone who can should test drive the database.

I forget if it was explicitly stated somewhere, but in my mind, the logic was - we need to get the blockchain out of memory before releasing the GUI... so, the sooner the database build is released, the sooner the GUI happens.... so if you really wanna see things happen, you're gonna have to beta test the database build! At some point I can provide noob-approved instructions for doing this, and I'm thinking about offering XMR rewards for bug reports. I don't have much XMR to reward with, and I don't want to be taken to the bank with false bug reports, so we'll have to figure out a method.



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January 15, 2015, 04:54:38 PM
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Code:
5 XMR
?->?
But
Code:
? XMR
?->?
Because even the amount of XMR sent is not known.

Good point, I will try and get around to updating gif this weekend. I've been meaning to anyway, but that will be some extra impetus.
You know the maximum amount sent, right?

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This great to see.

A few suggestions: multiple websites/forums at various states of development and with different styles really confuses newcomers and makes the project seem a bit disorganised (which is why people default back to bitcointalk).  This site should make clear immediately what it is (e.g. title/subtitle indicating this is the MEW website), and should have clear links to the official website/forum on the front page.  KISS suggest to me highlight/focus on things missing elsewhere: e.g. a place for the FAQ, a nice, regular core blog highlighting news, development reports, the various infographics going around, and other things.  Have the blog on the front page to keep things fresh.  Have a cryptokingdom tab as that seems a core aspect of MEW.




A lot of people (rightly) complain about the lack of marketing for Monero. There are two reasons for that. The first is that marketing an alpha software is a surefire way to disappoint a lot of people who won’t give it a second chance later on. The second is that it is not the job of the core team, which takes care of the technical development. This is the job of MEW (what is MEW?).

Last weeks, I've been working with a restricted team (namely, ArticMine and lyth0s) on a website for MEW. Contrary to the monero.cc website which is, in both its current and future iterations, a website devoted to the technology and everything the core team is working on, this new website will be devoted to the non technical aspects: improving visibility and fostering economy (this will include crypto-kingdom). As a reminder, I am a member of both the core team and the MEW.

My philosophy (most of it is from The Cathedral and the Bazaar and Wikipedia):

DONE - release early, release often;
       done is better than perfect;
       JFDI, Just Fuckin Do It (© jaybeeuk).
KISS - keep it simple, it'll get complex by itself soon enough;
       when something is done, check how to achieve the same thing, but simpler;
       perfection is when there is nothing more to take away.
PLAN - have some vision, know where you're going;
       this may mean doing "nothing" for days - it's fine.
NICE - assume good faith.
HELP - learn to delegate and to do it well;
       doing everything yourself is a fail, not a success;
       avoid the Not-Invented-Here™ syndrome.
QUIT - You’ll eventually quit so look in advance for competent successor.

So here it is, a Drupal-powered website which is multilingual, mobile-ready, multi-user and has a static part, a forum, a wiki, one blog per user, a CRM and probably more as time goes on. My job now (I am a plant) is much less to add more stuff and much more to allow empowerment: seize this website as yours. I'll be here to help you, but I'd like this website to be driven by the community - irrespective of whether or not you are MEW members - although MEW will ultimately have some advantages, of course.

No milestone, no roadmap, no bullshit:

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If there are fairly simple instructions on how to test the DB and report bugs or issues I have a couple of spare computers I could use to assist with testing (Windows 8.1).  Please provide a link if such instructions exist.

There are instructions, but I'm afraid they are Linux only.

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Could someone please make instructions for testing the DB on Windows? 

If there are fairly simple instructions on how to test the DB and report bugs or issues I have a couple of spare computers I could use to assist with testing (Windows 8.1).  Please provide a link if such instructions exist.

There are instructions, but I'm afraid they are Linux only.



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January 15, 2015, 05:47:32 PM
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Could someone please make instructions for testing the DB on Windows? 

If there are fairly simple instructions on how to test the DB and report bugs or issues I have a couple of spare computers I could use to assist with testing (Windows 8.1).  Please provide a link if such instructions exist.

There are instructions, but I'm afraid they are Linux only.

I plan on working these out tonight..... (US eastern here... currently at my day job)

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January 15, 2015, 06:01:57 PM
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Code:
5 XMR
?->?
But
Code:
? XMR
?->?
Because even the amount of XMR sent is not known.

Good point, I will try and get around to updating gif this weekend. I've been meaning to anyway, but that will be some extra impetus.
You know the maximum amount sent, right?
You may also know the minimum amount (or the exact amount) for some of the transactions. For example in this recent transaction it seems the amount sent is between 247 XMR and 297.40 XMR, so:
Code:
Between X and Y XMR sent (where X may be equal to Y)
?->?
This may lead to more questions then answers in this short video presentation (and even could mislead people). Maybe it should stay the way it's now.

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January 15, 2015, 06:12:10 PM
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Code:
5 XMR
?->?
But
Code:
? XMR
?->?
Because even the amount of XMR sent is not known.

Good point, I will try and get around to updating gif this weekend. I've been meaning to anyway, but that will be some extra impetus.
You know the maximum amount sent, right?
You may also know the minimum amount (or the exact amount) for some of the transactions. For example in this recent transaction it seems the amount sent is between 247 XMR and 297.40 XMR, so:
Code:
Between X and Y XMR sent (where X may be equal to Y)
?->?
This may lead to more questions then answers in this short video presentation (and even could mislead people). Maybe it should stay the way it's now.

I would put a question mark. In more details, yes it is bounded in a range, but a question mark is still good enough to get the point.

Monero's privacy and therefore fungibility are MUCH stronger than Bitcoin's. 
This makes Monero a better candidate to deserve the term "digital cash".
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January 15, 2015, 07:18:35 PM
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You may also know the minimum amount (or the exact amount) for some of the transactions. For example in this recent transaction it seems the amount sent is between 247 XMR and 297.40 XMR, so:
Code:
Between X and Y XMR sent (where X may be equal to Y)
?->?
This may lead to more questions then answers in this short video presentation (and even could mislead people). Maybe it should stay the way it's now.

Not entirely. I haven't looked carefully at the rules used by simplewallet but other wallets may use different rules, and there is nothing to prevent a wallet from deliberately adding extra inputs that aren't needed, increasing the amount of change (and further obscuring the amount of the payment). So for example, that 200 output could be change and not part of the amount being paid at all.

This could even be useful aside from privacy, as a way of consolidating outputs for lower transaction fees. Consider two examples:

1. The transaction 5.01 kb in its original construction. If the wallet adds another few inputs, bringing it up to 5.99 kb, so no added fee but an opportunity to combine some small outputs into one larger one (reducing the cost of future payments).

2. The change would be 1999, requiring three outputs. By adding an extra 1 to the inputs, the change is now 2000, which requires only one output, making both the current payment, and potentially future payments, smaller and cheaper.

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January 15, 2015, 07:23:47 PM
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Thanks!

Could someone please make instructions for testing the DB on Windows? 

If there are fairly simple instructions on how to test the DB and report bugs or issues I have a couple of spare computers I could use to assist with testing (Windows 8.1).  Please provide a link if such instructions exist.

There are instructions, but I'm afraid they are Linux only.

I plan on working these out tonight..... (US eastern here... currently at my day job)



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