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Author Topic: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency  (Read 4676441 times)
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January 16, 2022, 05:07:07 AM
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Anyone else ever think about the fact that after everyone gets over "NFTs"? they will be both well inoculated against scams AND understanding the definition of a word (fungible) that took us a long time to really understand.

Basically the universe has nudged EVERYONE towards Monero.
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January 16, 2022, 08:19:22 AM
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IMHO, NFTs are just another hype that comes and goes. People do all kinds of things that are not understandable, all the time.
Can you please elaborate on how exactly the current hype nudges people towards Monero, and not some other crypto or technology?

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January 16, 2022, 08:32:41 PM
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IMHO, NFTs are just another hype that comes and goes. People do all kinds of things that are not understandable, all the time.
Can you please elaborate on how exactly the current hype nudges people towards Monero, and not some other crypto or technology?

At lease SOME people will consider what "fungibility" is because of this. 

The whole way NFTs work is we are creating something that is identifyably unique.  This bored ape is provably different than THAT retarded frog.  And only one person can own either one.

Non-fungibility in a nutshell is the idea that each unit is unique and discernibly different than the other.  Then, of course, humans begin to assign values to each of these unique units.  And some will be worth more than others because of the magic of markets.

Non-Fungible money does not work well.  And as a generic store of value there are great arguments to be made for both something like an NFT (think rare art), or like an ounce of silver, with simply the mark of the company that cast the bar or round.  In the latter case the fact it is from "Sunshine Mining" does not make the silver more valuable really, but generally trustworthy in that we know that mint has a history of being fair.  An ounce of silver is MOSTLY fungible.  We might assign a premium to one mint or another, and of course we can go all the over to non fungibility with RARE coins.

NFTs are more like collectible art.  They are basically the mathematically abstracted version of that.  A computer science and math based simulation of a collectable thing... art, a watch, a car... whatever.  Do not get lost for now in arguing whether or not this really has any meaning or value.

Bitcoin is sort of like Gold or Silver, I think.  Most of the value of a satoshi is based on the same minimum structure that all others share.  But there are circumstances where Bitcoins fungibility can be challenged, similar to a minted silver round.  If I could have 1 of the 50 bitcoin mined in Block 2, I would think I should be able to sell THAT BTC for WAY MORE than 43k.  In fact I could imagine someone paying MILLIONS to own that.  Likewise Bitcoin directly associated with a crime might be considered worth less.

Let's say we take that thought experiment about the Block 2 coin a ltitle farther.  Let's say I actually discovered Satoshi!  And he agreed with me to sell me exactly ONE of the 50 BTC sitting in block 2's coinbase.  And futher lets assume that I am the only one who knows who Satoshi is, and no one else did.  Well, after we did our deal, then Satoshi would sign a transaction with the private key corresponding with the coinbase address of block two and send me that 1 BTC I had bought from him.

What would happen?  Yes.  The entire Bitcoin market would almost immediately crash!  Why?  because it would be public knowledge that the owner of the private keys to block 2 just moved one of the coins.  And was can also assume THAT person owns at least hundreds of thousands of Bitcoin, and just showed the world he was in a selling mood.

All because Bitcoins, are to a certain extent, non funfgible.

Monero on the other hand?  Well  I might just own one of the first Monero ever mined.  But I do not know, and neither does anyone else without a large coordinated effort with various view keys.  Practically impossible. 

All because Monero has this property that is just about unique to only it.  (and yes it's clones etc... but that is another discussion as to why XMR wins that battle too).

NFTs have opened peoples eyes to fungibility.  Right now they are all distracted with pretending one retarded frog is worth more than another.

But eventually many of them will begin to understand the amazing value of a digital asset that CANNOT be distinguished from equal units of it's kind.

Monero arguably takes digital fungibility to the mathematical extreme.  Unlike Bitcoin it pretty much mathematically PERFECTS the aspect of fungibility.  And THIS property actually has GREAT VALUE. Eventually some folks will stop being interested in apes and start being interested in something that is fully fungible.

That is what I was saying...  the long version. Wink
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I keep getting a core dump error
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a@galliumos:~/monero-x86_64-linux-gnu-v0.17.3.0$ ./monerod --prune-blockchain
2022-01-19 22:25:45.835 I Monero 'Oxygen Orion' (v0.17.3.0-release)
2022-01-19 22:25:45.835 I Initializing cryptonote protocol...
2022-01-19 22:25:45.835 I Cryptonote protocol initialized OK
2022-01-19 22:25:45.838 I Initializing core...
2022-01-19 22:25:45.839 I Loading blockchain from folder /home/a/.bitmonero/lmdb ...
Bus error (core dumped)
a@galliumos:~/monero-x86_64-linux-gnu-v0.17.3.0$
The error persists even after deleting and reinstalling monerod.
Thought I'd try the solution shown here
https://blog.opstree.com/2019/04/02/resolving-segmentation-fault-core-dumped-in-ubuntu/
but in step 1 it shows this in a code box:
Code:
sudo rm -rf /var/lib/apt/lists/lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock and restart your system h.cdccdc
which obviously isn't correct.  The last bit about restarting isn't part of the command.  And what am I supposed to do with "h.cdccdc"  
If I just jump in and run these commands will it help or is this going to bollix up the system even more than it is now?


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January 20, 2022, 07:09:39 AM
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THE MONERO MOON (ISSUE 28) IS OUT NOW! Grab a coffee or a beer and kick back for a read. Like, share, and spread the word of Monero as it continues to grow and offer unmatched financial privacy.

https://medium.com/themoneromoon/the-monero-moon-issue-28-307de4b1db15
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January 20, 2022, 09:43:15 AM
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Price is going to be a self-propeller for Monero's ecosystem. As it moves up the ranking, it becomes a visible asset for investment. However, I would like it to move up the ranks slowly even if it takes a few years, to make it organic and scalable.
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January 20, 2022, 07:56:31 PM
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Windows10 gui.
If prune, dont can connect.

Wallet dont can close.

If socks connect.

Dont can remote node.

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January 21, 2022, 11:37:39 PM
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THE MONERO MOON (ISSUE 28) IS OUT NOW! Grab a coffee or a beer and kick back for a read. Like, share, and spread the word of Monero as it continues to grow and offer unmatched financial privacy.

https://medium.com/themoneromoon/the-monero-moon-issue-28-307de4b1db15
Very good read and I enjoy all Monero Moon articles!
That hashrate pie is not looking good with minexmr pool having 40% of hashrate, so people should switch to other pools or go solo mininig.
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January 22, 2022, 10:04:33 PM
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Monero ded, pack it up boiz Smiley
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January 24, 2022, 06:42:33 AM
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Monero ded, pack it up boiz Smiley

Hey you wanna ddos minexmr for awhile and shake some of those miners loose. Cheesy

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Remote node can socks connect.

Found onlide nodes in
https://monero.fail/
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January 24, 2022, 07:49:36 AM
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Remote node can socks connect.

Found onlide nodes in
https://monero.fail/


Are you blocking the ports?

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January 24, 2022, 07:53:17 AM
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Monero ded, pack it up boiz Smiley

Hey you wanna ddos minexmr for awhile and shake some of those miners loose. Cheesy

Fun times! Smiley
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January 24, 2022, 08:19:11 AM
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Found onlide nodes in
https://monero.fail/

the guy behind it https://github.com/lalanza808 seems to have other cool projects as well, e.g.: https://github.com/lalanza808/docker-monero-node and https://xmrcannon.net/

BTW is it you @gelius or have you just found it surfing online?

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Remote node can socks connect.

Found onlide nodes in
https://monero.fail/


Are you blocking the ports?
No, now using windows10 with standard settings.
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January 25, 2022, 09:36:09 PM
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https://www.coindesk.com/layer2/privacyweek/2022/01/25/monero-the-privacy-coin-explained/

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It’s certainly not for the faint of heart. Monero makes no attempt to comply with know-your-customer/anti-money laundering (KYC/AML) procedures and values privacy above all else. This has not only led to it being delisted from a number of exchanges including BitMEX and Kraken, but the project’s casual disregard for customer due diligence (CDD) measures also means it has found itself in the crosshairs of many financial regulators around the world.

Pretty good article except of course the incorrect info that Kraken delisted it.

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January 26, 2022, 02:27:30 PM
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Monero ded, pack it up boiz Smiley

Hey you wanna ddos minexmr for awhile and shake some of those miners loose. Cheesy

Fun times! Smiley

Why do i feel uncomfortable having you back in the thread  Roll Eyes

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January 26, 2022, 07:36:47 PM
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Monero ded, pack it up boiz Smiley

Hey you wanna ddos minexmr for awhile and shake some of those miners loose. Cheesy

Fun times! Smiley

Why do i feel uncomfortable having you back in the thread  Roll Eyes

Because it's like someone took a dump on the floor when he shows up.  But on the other hand I feel like if you went back the last few times he's a good contrary indicator usually... too lazy to go dump-hunting though.
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January 27, 2022, 03:22:29 PM
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OS: windows 10
GUI: 0.17.3.1
Remote node.
wallet blocks remaining dont can complet.
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OS: windows 10
GUI: 0.17.3.1
Remote node.
wallet blocks remaining dont can complet.

Maybe try a different node?
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