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April 01, 2020, 08:54:29 PM
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Hi. Sorry if this is a noob question, but I prefer to ask.

Yesterday I download GUI wallet last version for Windows 64 bits, at my main PC (Windows 10 64). Windows Defender didn´t find anyting.

I copy the installer to my backup PC (an old laptop, also Windows 10 64) but here Windows Defender find virus:

Uwasson.A!ml
ScarletFlash.A

I don´t know if installing this last version is safe. Maybe a false positive?. Really strange on one PC is clean, on other virus detected (both computers have Defender updated).

Also, which is the safest URL to access monero official web? I am from Spain. Maybe plain "getmonero.org"?

Thanks in advance.

The only truly safe method is to compile yourself and even that after you have vetted the code. But in reality yes use the official site to download binaries even though that has been compromised in the past. As was stated make sure to check the hash.

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April 02, 2020, 08:40:20 AM
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Should be perfectly safe to use the developers website so long as you check current news, twitter, etc for any compromise.   To put it simply various virus detectors maybe all of them will kick up errors for use of various crypto software.   I have avast earlier astonished to find this unique and suspicious file but to their credit they did get back to me automatically in short order to give it the all clear.    But alot of software just assumes the worst, it'll send to quarantine or block and you will not see it again.   Can be a bit of a pain as its not especially justified.
  Use small amounts until you are familiar imo.

Use or google and read about: HTTPS Everywhere

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April 02, 2020, 02:10:32 PM
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Hi again.

I did a few more test.

First I scan also installer from version 0.15.0.1 (which I am using now without problems). Main computer: no virus. Backup computer: virus!. Humm...

Also I use virustotal.com for both files. Both have half a dozen virus detected, but no GREAT virus (most of them coinminer or related things).

I am "almost sure" it is a false positive.

Last question: when a sofware wallet is compromised, is it shown as a virus?. I think no, just a few routines to send out seeds or make transactions must not be detected virus. Am I right?. Last compromised monero wallet, was detected by antivirus?

I am not really a newbie, but prefer to ask. You know... I read about to check the hash of the downloaded files, but procedure seems a bit complicated to me. I think we need something easier for this...

Thanks to all.

NOTE: only thing that differs my both computers (hardware excluded) is backup PC is running an unregistered version of Windows 10. No idea if this is related to different behavior of Defender.
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April 02, 2020, 02:20:25 PM
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Hi again.

I did a few more test.

First I scan also installer from version 0.15.0.1 (which I am using now without problems). Main computer: no virus. Backup computer: virus!. Humm...

Also I use virustotal.com for both files. Both have half a dozen virus detected, but no GREAT virus (most of them coinminer or related things).

I am "almost sure" it is a false positive.

Last question: when a sofware wallet is compromised, is it shown as a virus?. I think no, just a few routines to send out seeds or make transactions must not be detected virus. Am I right?. Last compromised monero wallet, was detected by antivirus?

I am not really a newbie, but prefer to ask. You know... I read about to check the hash of the downloaded files, but procedure seems a bit complicated to me. I think we need something easier for this...

Thanks to all.

NOTE: only thing that differs my both computers (hardware excluded) is backup PC is running an unregistered version of Windows 10. No idea if this is related to different behavior of Defender.

Checking a hash is dead simple, watch a video.

https://www.google.com/search?q=how+to+check+a+files+hash&client=firefox-b-1-d&source=lnms&tbm=vid&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwislbfn98noAhXMyKQKHXV4BzoQ_AUoAXoECAwQAw&biw=1333&bih=617

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Hi again.

I did a few more test.

First I scan also installer from version 0.15.0.1 (which I am using now without problems). Main computer: no virus. Backup computer: virus!. Humm...

Also I use virustotal.com for both files. Both have half a dozen virus detected, but no GREAT virus (most of them coinminer or related things).

I am "almost sure" it is a false positive.

Last question: when a sofware wallet is compromised, is it shown as a virus?. I think no, just a few routines to send out seeds or make transactions must not be detected virus. Am I right?. Last compromised monero wallet, was detected by antivirus?

I am not really a newbie, but prefer to ask. You know... I read about to check the hash of the downloaded files, but procedure seems a bit complicated to me. I think we need something easier for this...

Thanks to all.

NOTE: only thing that differs my both computers (hardware excluded) is backup PC is running an unregistered version of Windows 10. No idea if this is related to different behavior of Defender.

You can safely ignore the warning as long as you properly verify the GPG signed hashes:

https://src.getmonero.org/resources/user-guides/verification-windows-beginner.html

https://src.getmonero.org/resources/user-guides/verification-allos-advanced.html

Thereafter, you can apply this guide to ensure the AV software does not delete required files:

https://monero.stackexchange.com/questions/10798/my-antivirus-av-software-blocks-quarantines-the-monero-gui-wallet-is-there

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Checking hashes alone is of limited use.  What if an attacker totally compromised the website, and changed the hashes to match his malicious replacement of the downloadable files?  Whereas the PGP signing keys should be stored and used with much higher security than can be expected of the webserver.  I think that fluffypony (now binaryfate as the signer?) probably knows how to handle PGP keys. ;–)

I have not reviewed the linked guides.  I did skim the beginning of the Windows beginner guide, and noticed an omission:  It does not explain how to verify the Gpg4win download, when you do not have PGP/GPG installed.

Chicken-and-egg problem?  Not quite:  The Gpg4win maintainers have a Microsoft Authenticode signing key,* so that you can bootstrap trust using built-in Microsoft Windows features:

https://gpg4win.org/package-integrity.html

That is always the first link that I provide to Microsoft Windows users whom I am tutoring in PGP usage.  I suggest that somebody involved in the Monero Project should add this link to the Windows verification guide, with a concise additional explanation, and perhaps some more screenshots of what this actually looks like in current versions of Microsoft Windows.  The pertinent part of the guide:

https://src.getmonero.org/resources/user-guides/verification-windows-beginner.html
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You will be presented with a security verification screen, click Run.


Check that the file is authentic, then click Run.

I have no Windows in my house, so I can’t see how this works in current versions.  The screenshot’s identification of Intevation GmbH as the signer matches the information currently stated on the above-linked Gpg4win verification page.  Users should understand the significance of this, and also know how to check the key fingerprint.  From my recollection of having used long-obsolete MS Windows versions in the distant past, it should all be point-and-click.

In my opinion, if the signature is valid, you should carefully check which Authenticode key was used to sign the file:  Don’t just blindly rely on the system of certificate authorities trusted by Microsoft to verify to you that your download was signed by... somebody who could follow the procedure to obtain an Authenticode signing key.  At the baseline, you should be aware of the Authenticode signature so that you can watch to see if it is not verified; and you can also check it manually if desired, with a few clicks in Windows Explorer.

The same link provides information on verifying Gpg4win using PGP/GPG signatures, for those who are upgrading (or migrating from a different OpenPGP implementation) and want to check the PGP signatures.

(* Obtaining and keeping an Authenticode signing key requires expense, red tape, and (IIUC) dox to a certificate authority.  It should not be expected of most open-source projects.  Gpg4win really needs one, so that users with no PGP can verify their first PGP software.)



I just noticed that the bitcoin.org download page does not link to any corresponding guide.  For now, I suppose that Microsoft Windows users installing Bitcoin Core can follow the Monero verification guide, but with laanwj’s public key.



I did a few more test.

First I scan also installer from version 0.15.0.1 (which I am using now without problems). Main computer: no virus. Backup computer: virus!. Humm...

Also I use virustotal.com for both files. Both have half a dozen virus detected, but no GREAT virus (most of them coinminer or related things).

I am "almost sure" it is a false positive.

Please don’t waste your time and effort.  For this purpose, “antivirus” software is of negligible (i.e., practically zero) help—even negative help:

Thereafter, you can apply this guide to ensure the AV software does not delete required files:

https://monero.stackexchange.com/questions/10798/my-antivirus-av-software-blocks-quarantines-the-monero-gui-wallet-is-there

If you trust the Monero lead devs, then the PGP-signed hash file does what you want:  It proves that you are installing the software that they themselves provided to you.  If you don’t want to trust, then nothing short of a thorough code audit will suffice.

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April 04, 2020, 09:16:19 PM
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I still in love with this project, i cannot say anything else. t was one of these coins with a good and clear idea, with a very amazing and well skilled developement team behind. But in the last year i think i didn´t heard very much of this coin anymore, i hope we can do a little bit more advertising or something like that, because i really want to see this coin back in the Top 10. Security and anonymity is something everyone needs.

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I still in love with this project, i cannot say anything else. t was one of these coins with a good and clear idea, with a very amazing and well skilled developement team behind. But in the last year i think i didn´t heard very much of this coin anymore, i hope we can do a little bit more advertising or something like that, because i really want to see this coin back in the Top 10. Security and anonymity is something everyone needs.

No news is good news on a functional, fungible, wealth trasfer system that is immutable,pruneable and very reasonably scalable as well as cheap! Pennys to send is a dream other coins cannot reach sans half of these features. And I'm sure I forgot some off the top of my head.. All major milestones have been met and more,and don't forget the unmitigated success RandomX has been so far.


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I still in love with this project, i cannot say anything else. t was one of these coins with a good and clear idea, with a very amazing and well skilled developement team behind. But in the last year i think i didn´t heard very much of this coin anymore, i hope we can do a little bit more advertising or something like that, because i really want to see this coin back in the Top 10. Security and anonymity is something everyone needs.

No news is good news on a functional, fungible, wealth trasfer system that is immutable,pruneable and very reasonably scalable as well as cheap! Pennys to send is a dream other coins cannot reach sans half of these features. And I'm sure I forgot some off the top of my head.. All major milestones have been met and more,and don't forget the unmitigated success RandomX has been so far.

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You are right, no news can be good news in the crypto world. But there also must be some new project in the pipeline. I really hope there will be some in the near future, there shoild be also a new roadmap, that people can see the future visions of the project. I treuly believe in the next bull run monero will be one of the top 10 coins again. But the usecases must grow and this is a very important thing. Well will see what the future brings to us.

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I still in love with this project, i cannot say anything else. t was one of these coins with a good and clear idea, with a very amazing and well skilled developement team behind. But in the last year i think i didn´t heard very much of this coin anymore, i hope we can do a little bit more advertising or something like that, because i really want to see this coin back in the Top 10. Security and anonymity is something everyone needs.

No news is good news on a functional, fungible, wealth trasfer system that is immutable,pruneable and very reasonably scalable as well as cheap! Pennys to send is a dream other coins cannot reach sans half of these features. And I'm sure I forgot some off the top of my head.. All major milestones have been met and more,and don't forget the unmitigated success RandomX has been so far.

@nullius, IOU+sM 
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You are right, no news can be good news in the crypto world. But there also must be some new project in the pipeline. I really hope there will be some in the near future, there shoild be also a new roadmap, that people can see the future visions of the project. I treuly believe in the next bull run monero will be one of the top 10 coins again. But the usecases must grow and this is a very important thing. Well will see what the future brings to us.


I completely disagree with the bolded.

Monero has one usecase and that is all it needs.

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April 06, 2020, 11:02:07 AM
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Is anyone else having trouble sending XMR from https://wallet.mymonero.com/?

Keep getting the following error message 'An error occurred while submitting transaction: Error: Transaction rejected: invalid input'

Any ideas on what I can do to fix this issue?

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Is anyone else having trouble sending XMR from https://wallet.mymonero.com/?

Keep getting the following error message 'An error occurred while submitting transaction: Error: Transaction rejected: invalid input'

Any ideas on what I can do to fix this issue?

Have you already contacted their support?

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Is anyone else having trouble sending XMR from https://wallet.mymonero.com/?

Keep getting the following error message 'An error occurred while submitting transaction: Error: Transaction rejected: invalid input'

Any ideas on what I can do to fix this issue?

Have you already contacted their support?

Yes I've tried to contact them through telegram but no luck. Do you know how I can contact their support team directly?

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About how long will it take the blockchain to reach 32 GB?
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About how long will it take the blockchain to reach 32 GB?

I think without pruning it's already like 80 GB or more, and even with pruning maybe more than 32.
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About how long will it take the blockchain to reach 32 GB?

I think without pruning it's already like 80 GB or more, and even with pruning maybe more than 32.
lmdb synced from scratch with pruning as of today is 26.5 GB
I ask because I want to put lmdb on external media.  Will a 32 GB thumb last a few months, or should use my only bigger usb, which is 128 GB.  I would prefer to save the bigger usb for other things.
So how long does it take for the blockchain to grow 5 GB with pruning?
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About how long will it take the blockchain to reach 32 GB?

I think without pruning it's already like 80 GB or more, and even with pruning maybe more than 32.
lmdb synced from scratch with pruning as of today is 26.5 GB
I ask because I want to put lmdb on external media.  Will a 32 GB thumb last a few months, or should use my only bigger usb, which is 128 GB.  I would prefer to save the bigger usb for other things.
So how long does it take for the blockchain to grow 5 GB with pruning?

The number of transactions is on the rise, but considering that it took 6 years to get to 26.5, I would guess you'd get at least another year out of it if not two. Although RingCT transactions are significantly larger than pre-RingCT, if I remember correctly, but still, I would guess at least a year.
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Is anyone else having trouble sending XMR from https://wallet.mymonero.com/?

Keep getting the following error message 'An error occurred while submitting transaction: Error: Transaction rejected: invalid input'

Any ideas on what I can do to fix this issue?

Have you already contacted their support?

Yes I've tried to contact them through telegram but no luck. Do you know how I can contact their support team directly?

Try emailing them at:

support[at]mymonero[dot]com

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April 08, 2020, 12:02:57 AM
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About how long will it take the blockchain to reach 32 GB?

I think without pruning it's already like 80 GB or more, and even with pruning maybe more than 32.
lmdb synced from scratch with pruning as of today is 26.5 GB
I ask because I want to put lmdb on external media.  Will a 32 GB thumb last a few months, or should use my only bigger usb, which is 128 GB.  I would prefer to save the bigger usb for other things.
So how long does it take for the blockchain to grow 5 GB with pruning?

The number of transactions is on the rise, but considering that it took 6 years to get to 26.5, I would guess you'd get at least another year out of it if not two. Although RingCT transactions are significantly larger than pre-RingCT, if I remember correctly, but still, I would guess at least a year.

Lets not forget bulletproofs have shrunk transaction what 90%? so I'm going to hazard a guess that current transactions today are smaller than those initially and therefore he should have a few years. either way its not tough to copy 32gb thumb drives when the time comes.

But I don't know the numbers just taking a wild guess that I'm pretty confident is true.

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About how long will it take the blockchain to reach 32 GB?

I think without pruning it's already like 80 GB or more, and even with pruning maybe more than 32.
lmdb synced from scratch with pruning as of today is 26.5 GB
I ask because I want to put lmdb on external media.  Will a 32 GB thumb last a few months, or should use my only bigger usb, which is 128 GB.  I would prefer to save the bigger usb for other things.
So how long does it take for the blockchain to grow 5 GB with pruning?

The number of transactions is on the rise, but considering that it took 6 years to get to 26.5, I would guess you'd get at least another year out of it if not two. Although RingCT transactions are significantly larger than pre-RingCT, if I remember correctly, but still, I would guess at least a year.

Lets not forget bulletproofs have shrunk transaction what 90%? so I'm going to hazard a guess that current transactions today are smaller than those initially and therefore he should have a few years. either way its not tough to copy 32gb thumb drives when the time comes.

But I don't know the numbers just taking a wild guess that I'm pretty confident is true.

No, I'm pretty sure that even with bulletproofs txs are still significantly larger than in the olden days. See here:
https://monero.stackexchange.com/questions/211/how-much-larger-are-monero-transactions-compared-to-the-average-bitcoin-transact

Looks like pre-RingCT could be as small as a few hundred bytes for normal txs, now about 2 kB.
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