[XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency

[nioc]

I see Monero will fly again.
Can someone tell me please, what was historically highest price for Monero? I can't find this info.
Is this rise caused with SDC death or i'm missing something? Can Monero surpass DASH?

Monero speculation thread  >>>  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=753252.msg14114092;topicseen#new

[dEBRUYNE]

A new Monero Mixxive has been released, Moonero! Big props to @DJ_Vanderi!

https://www.mixcloud.com/Vanderi/monero-mixxives-1-2016-moonero/

[Nik4691]

I see Monero will fly again.
Can someone tell me please, what was historically highest price for Monero? I can't find this info.

On 2014-05-24  I sold my first mined monero at 749K satoshi (Poloniex). I think this is the absolute high.
It was ridiculous easy to mine. It took me about 10 hours with my old AMD 4core Phenom to mine 1 monero.

[dEBRUYNE]

I see Monero will fly again.
Can someone tell me please, what was historically highest price for Monero? I can't find this info.

On 2014-05-24  I sold my first mined monero at 749K satoshi (Poloniex). I think this is the absolute high.
It was ridiculous easy to mine. It took me about 10 hours with my old AMD 4core Phenom to mine 1 monero.

No it was higher, above 1000k. Check the chart here:

https://cryptrader.com/charts/poloniex/xmr/btc (set the timeframe to 5y).

Alternatively, set the chart ("zoom") on Poloniex to all:

https://poloniex.com/exchange#btc_xmr

EDIT: Better to ask these questions in the speculation thread by the way:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=753252.0

[dEBRUYNE]

The new ShapeShift includes Payment ID for Monero:

https://beta.shapeshift.io/beta

[c789]

I think fungible is really a specialist term that doesn't work so well talking to people more widely than the cryptocurrency or economics worlds. Just my opinion on it.

Even in the cryptocurrency world a lot of people (even so-called experts) cannot properly define it.

Agree with both. That's why I moved "fungibility" from a fourth pillar to a sub-feature under "untraceable." And I do agree that most users don't place this as a high priority when they're looking at a coin...at least not yet. For those who do dig in and research a coin's properties -- including Bitcoin's, which I like -- I think fungibility will become more important as they discover the possible ramifications of having a coin that isn't fully fungible. I see more people discussing BTC's issues with fungibility in the BTC threads than I did even 6 months ago, so it looks like it's slowly becoming more important to people. And the great thing is that we have already have a fully fungible coin with no sidechain or other solution needed. I think having this property mentioned on the home page, even as a sub-feature, will let "coin shoppers" see all of the valuable properties of Monero at a glance. Some won't fully understand what "fungible" means but they'll probably know that it's a desirable property, and they'll research it more if they want to.

[bitebits]

The new ShapeShift includes Payment ID for Monero:

https://beta.shapeshift.io/beta

That actually is great news. Shows Monero is understood and taken seriously by ShapeShift.io. As well it removes another layer of friction (for example it makes XMR funding for specific Monero projects easy even for people that currently only have a Bitcoin hot wallet).

With the above and Monero's upcoming default mixin=2 (discussion to change the incorrect term 'mixin') the usage of ShapeShift and Monero greatly improves.

Imagine ShapeShift.io would have stayed in New York and had to comply with the bitlicense (KYC!). It really shows how destructive that would have been for the usage of crypto-currencies, and subsequently it's development and growth.

[GingerAle]

Stack Exchange.

"the task at hand is to submit "example questions" to help define what is on and off topic for a site."

http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/96062/monero

I can't stress enough how much a stack exchange presence is important for Monero. These Q&A sites can be really helpful for newcomers, both users and developers. Please either vote on questions or propose sample questions.

[Hueristic]

I think fungible is really a specialist term that doesn't work so well talking to people more widely than the cryptocurrency or economics worlds. Just my opinion on it.

Even in the cryptocurrency world a lot of people (even so-called experts) cannot properly define it.

Agree with both. That's why I moved "fungibility" from a fourth pillar to a sub-feature under "untraceable." And I do agree that most users don't place this as a high priority when they're looking at a coin...at least not yet. For those who do dig in and research a coin's properties -- including Bitcoin's, which I like -- I think fungibility will become more important as they discover the possible ramifications of having a coin that isn't fully fungible. I see more people discussing BTC's issues with fungibility in the BTC threads than I did even 6 months ago, so it looks like it's slowly becoming more important to people. And the great thing is that we have already have a fully fungible coin with no sidechain or other solution needed. I think having this property mentioned on the home page, even as a sub-feature, will let "coin shoppers" see all of the valuable properties of Monero at a glance. Some won't fully understand what "fungible" means but they'll probably know that it's a desirable property, and they'll research it more if they want to.

Yes it is a "specialist term" and one that is not being flaunted by any other coin ATM. It is the perfect time to co-op it. It is catchy and unique. Anyone that reads it will google it. Anyone who finds the pillars are doing their due diligence and will certainly read the description. Those that don't or won't will never get to the pillars anyway and really will only care about whether they can easily use the coin (that will be the gui crowd). In the mean time the people we want, the believers in the worth of Cryptonote, specifically Monero, are exactly the people that will see and understand what it is and means.

[hyc]

Stack Exchange.

"the task at hand is to submit "example questions" to help define what is on and off topic for a site."

http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/96062/monero

I can't stress enough how much a stack exchange presence is important for Monero. These Q&A sites can be really helpful for newcomers, both users and developers. Please either vote on questions or propose sample questions.

Personally I disagree. I think the entire stackexchange network simply dilutes knowledge that was already concentrated in dedicated forums. Such as getmonero.org, in this case. In my own context, OpenLDAP, the best information comes from the www.openldap.org website and its official mailing lists. The questions I see about OpenLDAP on stackexchange sites tend to be low quality to begin with, but the answers are even worse. IMO we would do well to ignore stackexchange and focus community energies on getmonero.org or whatever the current official sites/forums are. Time is precious, diluting our efforts doesn't help anyone.

[languagehasmeaning]

Stack Exchange.

"the task at hand is to submit "example questions" to help define what is on and off topic for a site."

http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/96062/monero

I can't stress enough how much a stack exchange presence is important for Monero. These Q&A sites can be really helpful for newcomers, both users and developers. Please either vote on questions or propose sample questions.

Personally I disagree. I think the entire stackexchange network simply dilutes knowledge that was already concentrated in dedicated forums. Such as getmonero.org, in this case. In my own context, OpenLDAP, the best information comes from the www.openldap.org website and its official mailing lists. The questions I see about OpenLDAP on stackexchange sites tend to be low quality to begin with, but the answers are even worse. IMO we would do well to ignore stackexchange and focus community energies on getmonero.org or whatever the current official sites/forums are. Time is precious, diluting our efforts doesn't help anyone.

Would you still be against the idea if people took the time to provide only quality answers? I agree with your point that quality is better than a rush to meet the minimum stack exchange Q&A quantity requirements.

[hyc]

Stack Exchange.

"the task at hand is to submit "example questions" to help define what is on and off topic for a site."

http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/96062/monero

I can't stress enough how much a stack exchange presence is important for Monero. These Q&A sites can be really helpful for newcomers, both users and developers. Please either vote on questions or propose sample questions.

Personally I disagree. I think the entire stackexchange network simply dilutes knowledge that was already concentrated in dedicated forums. Such as getmonero.org, in this case. In my own context, OpenLDAP, the best information comes from the www.openldap.org website and its official mailing lists. The questions I see about OpenLDAP on stackexchange sites tend to be low quality to begin with, but the answers are even worse. IMO we would do well to ignore stackexchange and focus community energies on getmonero.org or whatever the current official sites/forums are. Time is precious, diluting our efforts doesn't help anyone.

Would you still be against the idea if people took the time to provide only quality answers? I agree with your point that quality is better than a rush to meet the minimum stack exchange Q&A quantity requirements.

IMO, the task at hand is to develop the "Monero brand" and you do that by establishing 1 spot as the place where subject matter experts are known to hang out. Currently the official site is getmonero.org. Anything else is unofficial and unreliable. As a person seeking answers to my questions, I would prefer not to waste my time on sites with unreliable answers. Sites like stackexchange waste users' time, and they also waste developers' time by adding Yet Another place that needs to be monitored and supported.

[dEBRUYNE]

MAAM #6 Monero Ask Anything Monday:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/49c530/maam_6_monero_ask_anything_monday/

[aiwe]

I have a question how sweep_dust works. I have some xmr including unlocked dust: 1.247663779850

I tried sweep_dust command and got
 

Code:

Error: not enough money to transfer, available only 0.204482410000, transaction amount 0.460000000000 = 0.230000000000 + 0.230000000000 (fee)

[GingerAle]

Stack Exchange.

"the task at hand is to submit "example questions" to help define what is on and off topic for a site."

http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/96062/monero

I can't stress enough how much a stack exchange presence is important for Monero. These Q&A sites can be really helpful for newcomers, both users and developers. Please either vote on questions or propose sample questions.

Personally I disagree. I think the entire stackexchange network simply dilutes knowledge that was already concentrated in dedicated forums. Such as getmonero.org, in this case. In my own context, OpenLDAP, the best information comes from the www.openldap.org website and its official mailing lists. The questions I see about OpenLDAP on stackexchange sites tend to be low quality to begin with, but the answers are even worse. IMO we would do well to ignore stackexchange and focus community energies on getmonero.org or whatever the current official sites/forums are. Time is precious, diluting our efforts doesn't help anyone.

Would you still be against the idea if people took the time to provide only quality answers? I agree with your point that quality is better than a rush to meet the minimum stack exchange Q&A quantity requirements.

IMO, the task at hand is to develop the "Monero brand" and you do that by establishing 1 spot as the place where subject matter experts are known to hang out. Currently the official site is getmonero.org. Anything else is unofficial and unreliable. As a person seeking answers to my questions, I would prefer not to waste my time on sites with unreliable answers. Sites like stackexchange waste users' time, and they also waste developers' time by adding Yet Another place that needs to be monitored and supported.

I generally agree with the Yet Another place sentiment, but I seriously want to strangle the getmonero forum sometimes. And for whatever reason, monero experts aren't that active in there (see https://forum.getmonero.org/5/support). The reddit threads, as far as I can tell, go missing and are generally unnavigable and the Q&A on reddit isn't really voted on question quality and then answer quality, and combing through bitcointalk threads can be some form of torture. All of the primary Q&A repositories we have aren't actively maintained (monerobase, getmonero.org knowledge base, etc).

As it stands now the most efficient Q&A is IRC, which is fine, but when we get the same Q&A 10 times (same question, same answer, on IRC, reddit, or bitcointalk), you'd think it would make sense that someone could have typed in the question into google and there be a repository with that same question, followed by answers that were voted and had comments so the seeker knows the solution has some weight to it.

If the results on a reddit thread, there's 1 question, maybe a couple of answers. No one takes the time to comment on a reddit thread "yes this works". and then upvote it.

If the results are on a forum thread, there's 1 question, maybe a nested back and forth as they work through it (if you're lucky). Generally, there's 1 question intermixed in some other conversation, 4 different people getting in on it, and if its bitcointalk, there's the requisite random pump post or blatant trolling.

Again, all I'm saying is this. As one who went from 0 linux knowledge to being able to hack together a system that can run a daemon and a pool server, stackexchange was like finding Q&A paradise. Granted, the hard core out there may think my craft is hacky, but, there it is. And to your point, not all of my solutions came from stack exchage. But whenmy question was found there, and I saw like 400+ activity... i knew I was on to something.

Of course, a fundamental problem with any of these approaches is the cutting edge nature of Monero - meaning that a solution that may have worked 6 months ago ... might still work today. So it might be premature.

And ultimately, I do agree that a central repository within the monero space would be better. Who knows-  maybe someone can come up with a bot to monitor the existing channels and pluck Q&A stuff to plop into the preferred repository.

And again, I could be totally off base on all this. I just got into this space a year or so ago.

[aiwe]

I must confess I often google for and find a solutions to different problems on Stackoverflow (for example related to Wordpress, php, javascript etc.).

[Erik Goff]

I think fungible is really a specialist term that doesn't work so well talking to people more widely than the cryptocurrency or economics worlds. Just my opinion on it.

Even in the cryptocurrency world a lot of people (even so-called experts) cannot properly define it.

Agree with both. That's why I moved "fungibility" from a fourth pillar to a sub-feature under "untraceable." And I do agree that most users don't place this as a high priority when they're looking at a coin...at least not yet. For those who do dig in and research a coin's properties -- including Bitcoin's, which I like -- I think fungibility will become more important as they discover the possible ramifications of having a coin that isn't fully fungible. I see more people discussing BTC's issues with fungibility in the BTC threads than I did even 6 months ago, so it looks like it's slowly becoming more important to people. And the great thing is that we have already have a fully fungible coin with no sidechain or other solution needed. I think having this property mentioned on the home page, even as a sub-feature, will let "coin shoppers" see all of the valuable properties of Monero at a glance. Some won't fully understand what "fungible" means but they'll probably know that it's a desirable property, and they'll research it more if they want to.

Yes it is a "specialist term" and one that is not being flaunted by any other coin ATM. It is the perfect time to co-op it. It is catchy and unique. Anyone that reads it will google it. Anyone who finds the pillars are doing their due diligence and will certainly read the description. Those that don't or won't will never get to the pillars anyway and really will only care about whether they can easily use the coin (that will be the gui crowd). In the mean time the people we want, the believers in the worth of Cryptonote, specifically Monero, are exactly the people that will see and understand what it is and means.

i dug in my memory and refound this gem :

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1qomqt/what_a_landmark_legal_case_from_mid1700s_scotland/

maybe we can put this story on the monero websites?

[wachtwoord]

I think fungible is really a specialist term that doesn't work so well talking to people more widely than the cryptocurrency or economics worlds. Just my opinion on it.

Even in the cryptocurrency world a lot of people (even so-called experts) cannot properly define it.

Agree with both. That's why I moved "fungibility" from a fourth pillar to a sub-feature under "untraceable." And I do agree that most users don't place this as a high priority when they're looking at a coin...at least not yet. For those who do dig in and research a coin's properties -- including Bitcoin's, which I like -- I think fungibility will become more important as they discover the possible ramifications of having a coin that isn't fully fungible. I see more people discussing BTC's issues with fungibility in the BTC threads than I did even 6 months ago, so it looks like it's slowly becoming more important to people. And the great thing is that we have already have a fully fungible coin with no sidechain or other solution needed. I think having this property mentioned on the home page, even as a sub-feature, will let "coin shoppers" see all of the valuable properties of Monero at a glance. Some won't fully understand what "fungible" means but they'll probably know that it's a desirable property, and they'll research it more if they want to.

Yes it is a "specialist term" and one that is not being flaunted by any other coin ATM. It is the perfect time to co-op it. It is catchy and unique. Anyone that reads it will google it. Anyone who finds the pillars are doing their due diligence and will certainly read the description. Those that don't or won't will never get to the pillars anyway and really will only care about whether they can easily use the coin (that will be the gui crowd). In the mean time the people we want, the believers in the worth of Cryptonote, specifically Monero, are exactly the people that will see and understand what it is and means.

i dug in my memory and refound this gem :

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1qomqt/what_a_landmark_legal_case_from_mid1700s_scotland/

maybe we can put this story on the monero websites?

Great read. Thanks for posting.

This is one of the reasons I own Monero next to Bitcoin. There is a chance a blacklist will become accepted in Bitcoin or in the Bitcoin habitat which would help is spiral to death. Monero would most likely take its place.

[dEBRUYNE]

I have a question how sweep_dust works. I have some xmr including unlocked dust: 1.247663779850

I tried sweep_dust command and got
 

Code:

Error: not enough money to transfer, available only 0.204482410000, transaction amount 0.460000000000 = 0.230000000000 + 0.230000000000 (fee)

Is all your balance unlocked?

[aiwe]

I have a question how sweep_dust works. I have some xmr including unlocked dust: 1.247663779850

I tried sweep_dust command and got
 

Code:

Error: not enough money to transfer, available only 0.204482410000, transaction amount 0.460000000000 = 0.230000000000 + 0.230000000000 (fee)

Is all your balance unlocked?

Yes, it's unlocked. But I don't understand those amounts, that wallet said.

I guess I have too many small transactions with dust - I made mistake withdrawing from Poloniex all moneroj including dust few times. Now I withdraw only round amounts.
[Edit] Shapeshift also sends dust when exchange.