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September 08, 2014, 12:55:59 PM
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Regarding escrow funds and going forward:

They are safe in a cold wallet and the coins no longer need to be sold at 10k prices.  James donated them back to the community, and per his request, that we whole heartily agree with, no action will be taken with the coins without a community vote to decide.
Track the escrow here: https://chainz.cryptoid.info/vrc/address.dws?VECuyuNjLDh437hJfABSxV1817D982S4H6.htm

James offered an impressive gesture of commitment to our community with this action and I thank him for that.  He still has incentive, he has his own personal stash of VeriCoin he purchased on the market.  We the community will discuss with James about how the funds can be used for this project.  There are some escrow requirements for SuperNET inclusion and so on, some things are yet to be determined as this is a new platform being built.  The discussion will continue on how to build VeriCoin into the SuperNet, while also continuing to build the independent VeriCoin wallet and network as before.  There are only more things to be gained now.

Congratulations to the VeriCoin community for coming together to meet a BIG goal in a SHORT time, it shows the true commitment and power of our community working together!  By sacrificing a bit for the best of our community, technology and investments, we can achieve and will achieve great things going forward!  

Thank you all for your efforts, time and resources!  We all will continue this discussion and work with James regarding adding advanced technologies to VeriCoin through a new additional infrastructure, and we are on track with our previous roadmap too, as things are coming in the near future.

Doug

Thanks for the update, Doug.  I'd like to discuss this a little more though.  Since the expectations of our contributors were either to get their VRC back at 10k satoshis, if successful, or a full refund if not, I think we should make sure we're sensitive in light of this change in plans.  I encouraged a lot of people to give and told them that this was the deal, so I feel like this is sideways from expectations.

Can we come up with a response to anybody who contributed and was still expecting to get their VRC back at 10k sats? Maybe if the price hits 50k and then 100k, we can give back 10-20%  to the original contributors from this fund.  For example, if someone donated 10,000 VRC and the price hits 50,000 sats, we can give that person back 2,000VRC.

Thanks,
BagHolder



That is not how it goes, you guys need to lock up a large % of the float, so jl777 and his minions can trade around this smaller float and rip off all the people who think they are getting some amazing deal. He calls the shots, he is making the current momentum by his own admission. Why do you think he donated anything to the community? He never planned on it reaching 100k, His goal is to get people to see a big picture, and then he will profit before the painting is even made.


He can time everything to profit big time, All he has to do is speculate. And you all drive the price up. Its seriously shocking how little thought anyone has gone into this deal. If, and I say If, this turns out to be a scam, or more likely inability to create something valuable, you all deserve it, in spades for being so ignorant and greedy.

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September 08, 2014, 01:15:40 PM
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The community voted with their coins, nothing can be undone now.

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September 08, 2014, 01:18:37 PM
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The community voted with their coins, nothing can be undone now.

It's almost like there was no fight to keep VeriCoin and its future under its own control. The best course of action decided by those community members was to give up control, brand equity, ect to a promise. How many times have you been impressed by a promised VeriCoin release? 0 for how many now? I think the scarriest part was seeing the devs donate such a large % to this. It feels like they gave up on themselves and their ability.

Scary times in the kingdom indeed.

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September 08, 2014, 01:28:09 PM
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The community voted with their coins, nothing can be undone now.

It's almost like there was no fight to keep VeriCoin and its future under its own control. The best course of action decided by those community members was to give up control, brand equity, ect to a promise. How many times have you been impressed by a promised VeriCoin release? 0 for how many now?

Scary times in the kingdom indeed.

buy4crypto:  VeriCoin has not changed at all, there soon will be a set of decentralized market features accessible via an optional button in the wallet.  The VeriCoin protocol, wallet, 3 devs, strategy, mission.  It has not changed.
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September 08, 2014, 01:30:43 PM
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The community voted with their coins, nothing can be undone now.

It's almost like there was no fight to keep VeriCoin and its future under its own control. The best course of action decided by those community members was to give up control, brand equity, ect to a promise. How many times have you been impressed by a promised VeriCoin release? 0 for how many now? I think the scarriest part was seeing the devs donate such a large % to this. It feels like they gave up on themselves.

Scary times in the kingdom indeed.

How have they given up control?, community is voting with the coin, and adding more to the coin by adapting, if it does not work out the coin still has a road map, it still has its own course to run. Cant see it being a bad thing. Unless altcoinuk theory proves true.

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September 08, 2014, 01:31:34 PM
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Regarding escrow funds and going forward:

They are safe in a cold wallet and the coins no longer need to be sold at 10k prices.  James donated them back to the community, and per his request, that we whole heartily agree with, no action will be taken with the coins without a community vote to decide.
Track the escrow here: https://chainz.cryptoid.info/vrc/address.dws?VECuyuNjLDh437hJfABSxV1817D982S4H6.htm

James offered an impressive gesture of commitment to our community with this action and I thank him for that.  He still has incentive, he has his own personal stash of VeriCoin he purchased on the market.  We the community will discuss with James about how the funds can be used for this project.  There are some escrow requirements for SuperNET inclusion and so on, some things are yet to be determined as this is a new platform being built.  The discussion will continue on how to build VeriCoin into the SuperNet, while also continuing to build the independent VeriCoin wallet and network as before.  There are only more things to be gained now.

Congratulations to the VeriCoin community for coming together to meet a BIG goal in a SHORT time, it shows the true commitment and power of our community working together!  By sacrificing a bit for the best of our community, technology and investments, we can achieve and will achieve great things going forward!  

Thank you all for your efforts, time and resources!  We all will continue this discussion and work with James regarding adding advanced technologies to VeriCoin through a new additional infrastructure, and we are on track with our previous roadmap too, as things are coming in the near future.

Doug

Thanks for the update, Doug.  I'd like to discuss this a little more though.  Since the expectations of our contributors were either to get their VRC back at 10k satoshis, if successful, or a full refund if not, I think we should make sure we're sensitive in light of this change in plans.  I encouraged a lot of people to give and told them that this was the deal, so I feel like this is sideways from expectations.

Can we come up with a response to anybody who contributed and was still expecting to get their VRC back at 10k sats? Maybe if the price hits 50k and then 100k, we can give back 10-20%  to the original contributors from this fund.  For example, if someone donated 10,000 VRC and the price hits 50,000 sats, we can give that person back 2,000VRC.

Thanks,
BagHolder



I understand your concern BagHolder, the goal was achieved and the deal did change, though for the benefit of the community and the donors.  We will figure out how best to move forward.
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September 08, 2014, 01:35:32 PM
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Hello everybody,

I have had VRC in the past but now looking for a coin to invest in longterm. There has been a pump last couple of days and now is going down again. Pump and dump? It doesnt look like a good sign to me as an outsider. Maybe someone can explain this. Also, what can we expect from VRC in the near future as in development?

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September 08, 2014, 01:44:38 PM
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The community voted with their coins, nothing can be undone now.

It's almost like there was no fight to keep VeriCoin and its future under its own control. The best course of action decided by those community members was to give up control, brand equity, ect to a promise. How many times have you been impressed by a promised VeriCoin release? 0 for how many now?

Scary times in the kingdom indeed.

buy4crypto:  VeriCoin has not changed at all, there soon will be a set of decentralized market features accessible via an optional button in the wallet.  The VeriCoin protocol, wallet, 3 devs, strategy, mission.  It has not changed.

You can call me Roberto, no need for alias's, you and I are transparent, and public. Smiley perhaps we can coerce some others to use real names, instead of alias's.



I really hope so. I just have a hard time seeing the value in being one of the many, I see plenty of value in being the shot caller.

Doug, do you think the investors are increasing the price based on your current developments? or upcoming promises?


Personally I really would like to grow off of current developments, promises are inherently risky, and have done more harm than good to us in the recent past.

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September 08, 2014, 01:51:59 PM
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Thanks for the update, Doug.  I'd like to discuss this a little more though.  Since the expectations of our contributors were either to get their VRC back at 10k satoshis, if successful, or a full refund if not, I think we should make sure we're sensitive in light of this change in plans.  I encouraged a lot of people to give and told them that this was the deal, so I feel like this is sideways from expectations.

Can we come up with a response to anybody who contributed and was still expecting to get their VRC back at 10k sats? Maybe if the price hits 50k and then 100k, we can give back 10-20%  to the original contributors from this fund.  For example, if someone donated 10,000 VRC and the price hits 50,000 sats, we can give that person back 2,000VRC.

Thanks,
BagHolder




The community voted with their coins, nothing can be undone now.

I think what Bag holder is saying is the deal was brokered around the premise that some of the VRC given to the funding effort would be returned to them in either Case. The deal was:
        1. If the deal didn't go through they'd get all of it back.
        2. If the deal went through they'd receive an amount of VRC equivelent to what could be purchased with [the amount of VRC they gave] X 10K Satoshi.
        3. The deal went through.
        4. James gave the Escrow Fund and anything else sent to it back to the community.
        5. What happens about the stipulation in #2?
                   a. Peole gave thinking they couldn't lose anything.
                    b. The new wrinkle James introduced doesn't include ANY return to the contributors
                    c. Or, maybe it does?

But it isn't clear and Bag Holder wants to know the facts of how this conundrum will be addressed.
        

                    

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September 08, 2014, 01:59:14 PM
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Someone sure knows how to drive the price down.  Ouch.  They definitely weren't looking to get the most money out of their trades, that's for sure.

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September 08, 2014, 02:08:29 PM
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Thanks for the update, Doug.  I'd like to discuss this a little more though.  Since the expectations of our contributors were either to get their VRC back at 10k satoshis, if successful, or a full refund if not, I think we should make sure we're sensitive in light of this change in plans.  I encouraged a lot of people to give and told them that this was the deal, so I feel like this is sideways from expectations.

Can we come up with a response to anybody who contributed and was still expecting to get their VRC back at 10k sats? Maybe if the price hits 50k and then 100k, we can give back 10-20%  to the original contributors from this fund.  For example, if someone donated 10,000 VRC and the price hits 50,000 sats, we can give that person back 2,000VRC.

Thanks,
BagHolder




The community voted with their coins, nothing can be undone now.

I think what Bag holder is saying is the deal was brokered around the premise that some of the VRC given to the funding effort would be returned to them in either Case. The deal was:
        1. If the deal didn't go through they'd get all of it back.
        2. If the deal went through they'd receive an amount of VRC equivelent to what could be purchased with [the amount of VRC they gave] X 10K Satoshi.
        3. The deal went through.
        4. James gave the Escrow Fund and anything else sent to it back to the community.
        5. What happens about the stipulation in #2?
                   a. Peole gave thinking they couldn't lose anything.
                    b. The new wrinkle James introduced doesn't include ANY return to the contributors
                    c. Or, maybe it does?

But it isn't clear and Bag Holder wants to know the facts of how this conundrum will be addressed.
        

                    

Yes I totally understand this. There is no reason that this reimbursement can't happen in some way as the community would be voting on it.  I think we should gather more information and let things unfold more before deciding what to do. Though it's ultimately up to the community. If the previous scenario had occured, the 10k sale would not have happened till a 5x increase in price. So based on previous time expectations I think we have some time to decide.  
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September 08, 2014, 02:09:02 PM
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Someone sure knows how to drive the price down.  Ouch.  They definitely weren't looking to get the most money out of their trades, that's for sure.


And it's such an odd time to sell.  Maybe some people have just been wanting out for a long time and are just saying "screw it" and going out to buy a new fancy desk chair with their vrc profits.
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Someone sure knows how to drive the price down.  Ouch.  They definitely weren't looking to get the most money out of their trades, that's for sure.


And it's such an odd time to sell.  Maybe some people have just been wanting out for a long time and are just saying "screw it" and going out to buy a new fancy desk chair with their vrc profits.

Seeing how low the volume is, it definitely is an odd time to sell, especially considering that they were selling into market weakness and not into strength.  It happened simultaneously across several markets, too.  It wasn't limited to just one exchange, which makes it even weirder.

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September 08, 2014, 02:17:09 PM
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Someone sure knows how to drive the price down.  Ouch.  They definitely weren't looking to get the most money out of their trades, that's for sure.


And it's such an odd time to sell.  Maybe some people have just been wanting out for a long time and are just saying "screw it" and going out to buy a new fancy desk chair with their vrc profits.

Seeing how low the volume is, it definitely is an odd time to sell, especially considering that they were selling into market weakness and not into strength.  It happened simultaneously across several markets, too.  It wasn't limited to just one exchange, which makes it even weirder.

That dump occurred on Cryptsy.  The rest of the exchange response was arbitraging.  Someone sold about 150k on Cryptsy.  Not huge, but substantial.  I don't think it has anything to do with news. I think someone woke up on Monday after partying all weekend, realized they were up on VRC and sold.  My guess is that it was just trading.

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September 08, 2014, 02:24:52 PM
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Regarding escrow funds and going forward:

They are safe in a cold wallet and the coins no longer need to be sold at 10k prices.  James donated them back to the community, and per his request, that we whole heartily agree with, no action will be taken with the coins without a community vote to decide.
Track the escrow here: https://chainz.cryptoid.info/vrc/address.dws?VECuyuNjLDh437hJfABSxV1817D982S4H6.htm

James offered an impressive gesture of commitment to our community with this action and I thank him for that.  He still has incentive, he has his own personal stash of VeriCoin he purchased on the market.  We the community will discuss with James about how the funds can be used for this project.  There are some escrow requirements for SuperNET inclusion and so on, some things are yet to be determined as this is a new platform being built.  The discussion will continue on how to build VeriCoin into the SuperNet, while also continuing to build the independent VeriCoin wallet and network as before.  There are only more things to be gained now.

Congratulations to the VeriCoin community for coming together to meet a BIG goal in a SHORT time, it shows the true commitment and power of our community working together!  By sacrificing a bit for the best of our community, technology and investments, we can achieve and will achieve great things going forward!  

Thank you all for your efforts, time and resources!  We all will continue this discussion and work with James regarding adding advanced technologies to VeriCoin through a new additional infrastructure, and we are on track with our previous roadmap too, as things are coming in the near future.

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Thanks for the update, Doug.  I'd like to discuss this a little more though.  Since the expectations of our contributors were either to get their VRC back at 10k satoshis, if successful, or a full refund if not, I think we should make sure we're sensitive in light of this change in plans.  I encouraged a lot of people to give and told them that this was the deal, so I feel like this is sideways from expectations.

Can we come up with a response to anybody who contributed and was still expecting to get their VRC back at 10k sats? Maybe if the price hits 50k and then 100k, we can give back 10-20%  to the original contributors from this fund.  For example, if someone donated 10,000 VRC and the price hits 50,000 sats, we can give that person back 2,000VRC.

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BagHolder, thats a good idea. then at least we all who contributed get back the min. worth back.

20% @ 50k for original escrow senders to get back is not a bad idea at all.

also thanks for those many generous contributions BagHolder.

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September 08, 2014, 02:27:57 PM
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I can think of atleast 2 people able to do this and have a reason too. But without proof it would be just a accusation so i will just say this:

Coins are changing hands alot - the seller wont have much coins left to dump soon

(  btw look at bbr for example - the same happened there)

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BagHolder, thats a good idea. then at least we all who contributed get back the min. worth back.

20% @ 50k for original escrow senders to get back is not a bad idea at all.

also thanks for those many generous contributions BagHolder.

Yea, that's the amount that everyone had in mind when they contributed in the first place, so we should definitely shoot for that.

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September 08, 2014, 02:32:06 PM
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Donors will get their respective amount of coin back when the price hits the targets, as before, either in BTC or VRC. Don't worry.

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