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PM 1 to Doug  August 26, 2014, 10:43:24 AM »



Its a lot, and I may miss a lot of points, as we work through things they will come up.

I think the coin could use to get some of the stuff off of our plate. For our team to set a "standards" code. This doesn't have to be law, but a general way of doing business. As a standard, people representing the coin have to be able to detach personal emotions, profit motives and all other things that may influence them, and look at what the business of vericoin needs to succeed, and that is it. We cannot think of it as, What can Buy4crypto get out of it when I post everytime. And our developers have to think every time about the coin as well.

We need to focus on cutting the projects out that don't make sense to the future of vericoin, and making the things we do, done well.

I think this is a great place to start making changes. Once people see that the core developers, and core community is honest and are working hard, and creating value, then they investors will come back. VeriCoin needs to perhaps think of changing out the roadmap with various VeriCoin media of the few things we decide to do, and do well.

For the Bio sections. Instead of saying who they are, or why they got into crypto. Our profiles should show us in a visionary light in some ways. As a team really pushing virtual currencies forward. Right now everyone in crypto is chasing a technological advancement. When the reality is this open sources code will be copied and applied by every coin.

This is why, IMO a coin has failed to reach levels of significance closer to bitcoin. Every coin has the wrong pretense to achieve mass adoption. We are close by understanding we need to take chances to get to that point. If we focus on putting a culture in place, and growing a team ready to help people learn about crypto, this is where we will gain value, we can use our good guy image and really be a brand that stands for integrity, and quality.


If we focus our goals, and time in the right areas, within months we could be brandable as the clean crypto, where your investment is safe, with honest people looking to take on another first in crypto, and get regulated. We can copy / paste the parts we need, and drop the ones we don't. If we need to code things, lets code them, and code them well. But for the most part. I think we can gain the most value by working to shift the image. This won't happen overnight. But if everyone is willing, and can see the vision, the team could really make great strides towards the future doing these steps.


PM 2 to Doug August 26, 2014, 10:54:42 AM »



I just had a PM from socal asking for a few points, so I will copy / paste what I sent him.



"Its a lot, and I may miss a lot of points, as we work through things they will come up.

I think the coin could use to get some of the stuff off of our plate. For our team to set a "standards" code. This doesn't have to be law, but a general way of doing business. As a standard, people representing the coin have to be able to detach personal emotions, profit motives and all other things that may influence them, and look at what the business of vericoin needs to succeed, and that is it. We cannot think of it as, What can Buy4crypto get out of it when I post every time. And our developers have to think every time about the coin as well.

We need to focus on cutting the projects out that don't make sense to the future of vericoin, and making the things we do, done well.

I think this is a great place to start making changes. Once people see that the core developers, and core community is honest and are working hard, and creating value, then they investors will come back. VeriCoin needs to perhaps think of changing out the roadmap with various VeriCoin media of the few things we decide to do, and do well.

For the Bio sections. Instead of saying who they are, or why they got into crypto. Our profiles should show us in a visionary light in some ways. As a team really pushing virtual currencies forward. Right now everyone in crypto is chasing a technological advancement. When the reality is this open sources code will be copied and applied by every coin.

This is why, IMO a coin has failed to reach levels of significance closer to bitcoin. Every coin has the wrong pretense to achieve mass adoption. We are close by understanding we need to take chances to get to that point. If we focus on putting a culture in place, and growing a team ready to help people learn about crypto, this is where we will gain value, we can use our good guy image and really be a brand that stands for integrity, and quality.


If we focus our goals, and time in the right areas, within months we could be brandable as the clean crypto, where your investment is safe, with honest people looking to take on another first in crypto, and get regulated. We can copy / paste the parts we need, and drop the ones we don't. If we need to code things, lets code them, and code them well. But for the most part. I think we can gain the most value by working to shift the image. This won't happen overnight. But if everyone is willing, and can see the vision, the team could really make great strides towards the future doing these steps."


And just a quick message to you personally.

I think a new way to approach future development would be supporting other projects that we are interested in. Instead of competing off the bat. Let the Virtual Currency world work together a bit more. To show that we aren't all renegades and interested in ME, ME, ME. We have the chance to take a psychological step forward. Something not even bitcoin has achieved. Not 1 virtual currency has as many inherent advantages as this one, and we have strayed from what was making us strong in the past few months. This is something I hope you consider, and if you like the idea, I hope you share it with the community.

We really need to stop thinking inside the box, and start thinking differently to impact a more positive outcome in the future. How are we getting from point a, to point b, with the greatest positive impact on every person, investor, mother, child along the way. If we team up with other currencies to offer support, be it our "Dev" department. Maybe we have a social media team, we can draw on our artists talent for other support roles to help the coins working on innovative projects get them out, and with more coordination, and in so many other ways. All of which these people can be public figures. At that point, we would be thanked, and given credibility. If we build out a team, and connect them with personal, professional looking bios I think you could have something special.

I think you may find, many developers, and communities would find this a refreshing approach and work closely with VeriCoin, instead of viewing us as competition.

PM 3 to Doug August 26, 2014, 11:03:24 AM »


And if you do all that. Clearly state at the beginning, we are going to be working toward regulation. We need public figures ready to advance virtual currencies.

Play the generic roll with this approach a bit more. Lets take the approach of the crypto good guys, that are investors in vericoin, but champions of the blockchain.

Look at great companies like Bitpay. They just paid 500k a year for 3 years to market a bowlgame. They chose to represent Bitcoin over their own company name. This type of thinking shows how visionary these people are. We need more people to think like this. That VeriCoin is going to be around built on a foundation of honesty, integrity, and hard working people looking to make everyone's life better, regardless if they chose to invest in vericoin or coin X. I have a feeling when you are the first, and only coin with that goal, that you will attract a lot of the "right people" to this project.


SuperNet thread Creation Date Aug 30

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=762346.msg8592943#msg8592943


James has been talking with VeriCoin developers for a while now. It looks like it didn't take him long to take my ideas, and run / profit on them. So, Ask yourselfs, what about ole buy4crypto and what he said to these devs just days in advance, of such a game changing idea.

VeriCoin had all the tools to do this on its own, now. jl777 will put his name all over! Then, take all the credit, HOW LUCKY you guys are!

I read your post two times now.
All that i see is:
1. Good guy image
2. Try too work on projects.

Where is supernet and its code?
You are starting to get pretty delusional...

I am delusional? I am sorry I dbl posted something, I edited the part where I repeated the same thing. If you think I am delusional, well. The facts are facts. If Doug says he never said a word to James. Then I am delusional, If Doug says he spoke with james about this, it would make a lot of sense that I am not so delusional, huh?

I was actually told from Doug himself on Aug 26 or 27, that he would use many of my ideas in an upcoming meeting. You starting to think i'm less delusional?

This is exactly the part I can't stand, I am here to help you. I OWN NO VERICOIN. If you can't see this, I cannot help you further.

buy4crypto, yes you did send me this, yes there is some really good ideas here.  Yes I did talk to some investors about some of these ideas.  No it wasn't James.  When you felt ousted, many people wanted to get info and it wasn't possible when you wouldn't let others take a turn to comment.
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I wonder how long before dev 1, 2, and 3 fade away and the anon BCT user takes full control. This coin is now nothing more than a typical p&d pile of shit. Good job Pat and Doug. Way to sell out.

Not a sell out, not even a buy in.  You will learn this over time or with some research.
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I wonder how long before dev 1, 2, and 3 fade away and the anon BCT user takes full control. This coin is now nothing more than a typical p&d pile of shit. Good job Pat and Doug. Way to sell out.

100% NOT true. Pat hasn't been as active as he's doing 2 research papers for his PhD. David - well he's not into the whole social media thing. He works full time at a Cloud based start up company and loves coding at night.

I speak to Doug every day. He's still VERY active but he too has a personal life. Full time job and a family.

All that said… everyone… including Pat… is still working extremely hard on this coin. In fact… the community is taking some of the other aspects off of their shoulders.

We're still in the beginning OF THE BEGINNING. I'm in it for the long haul and when I mean long haul I'm talking a minimum of 5+ years.

Not only do we ALREADY have an interesting and innovative coin with transparent Devs and a solid long term economic model - the BEST is yet to come!

I PROMISE YOU THIS.

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There are plenty of top 50 and top 100 wallet holders like myself and a few of my close friends who actually have lives outside of this forum and will waste little time with trolls here.  Carry on   Cheesy

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September 08, 2014, 02:36:49 AM
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This has been a very good weekend for VeriCoin.

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Beyond Bitcoin summarizes jl777 recent musings today, kind of like an audiobook.

Starts at 39:40

http://letstalkbitcoin.com/blog/post/beyond-bitcoin-13-one-to-rule-them-all

http://www.digitalcatallaxy.com/report2015.html
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September 08, 2014, 02:48:27 AM
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I wonder how long before dev 1, 2, and 3 fade away and the anon BCT user takes full control. This coin is now nothing more than a typical p&d pile of shit. Good job Pat and Doug. Way to sell out.
nice! my 2nd ignore!
good on you for using an alias/newbie account ... lol
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Regarding escrow funds and going forward:

They are safe in a cold wallet and the coins no longer need to be sold at 10k prices.  James donated them back to the community, and per his request, that we whole heartily agree with, no action will be taken with the coins without a community vote to decide.
Track the escrow here: https://chainz.cryptoid.info/vrc/address.dws?VECuyuNjLDh437hJfABSxV1817D982S4H6.htm

James offered an impressive gesture of commitment to our community with this action and I thank him for that.  He still has incentive, he has his own personal stash of VeriCoin he purchased on the market.  We the community will discuss with James about how the funds can be used for this project.  There are some escrow requirements for SuperNET inclusion and so on, some things are yet to be determined as this is a new platform being built.  The discussion will continue on how to build VeriCoin into the SuperNet, while also continuing to build the independent VeriCoin wallet and network as before.  There are only more things to be gained now.

Congratulations to the VeriCoin community for coming together to meet a BIG goal in a SHORT time, it shows the true commitment and power of our community working together!  By sacrificing a bit for the best of our community, technology and investments, we can achieve and will achieve great things going forward!  

Thank you all for your efforts, time and resources!  We all will continue this discussion and work with James regarding adding advanced technologies to VeriCoin through a new additional infrastructure, and we are on track with our previous roadmap too, as things are coming in the near future.

Doug
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Regarding escrow funds and going forward:

They are safe in a cold wallet and the coins no longer need to be sold at 10k prices.  James donated them back to the community, and per his request, that we whole heartily agree with, no action will be taken with the coins without a community vote to decide.
Track the escrow here: https://chainz.cryptoid.info/vrc/address.dws?VECuyuNjLDh437hJfABSxV1817D982S4H6.htm

James offered an impressive gesture of commitment to our community with this action and I thank him for that.  He still has incentive, he has his own personal stash of VeriCoin he purchased on the market.  We the community will discuss with James about how the funds can be used for this project.  There are some escrow requirements for SuperNET inclusion and so on, some things are yet to be determined as this is a new platform being built.  The discussion will continue on how to build VeriCoin into the SuperNet, while also continuing to build the independent VeriCoin wallet and network as before.  There are only more things to be gained now.

Congratulations to the VeriCoin community for coming together to meet a BIG goal in a SHORT time, it shows the true commitment and power of our community working together!  By sacrificing a bit for the best of our community, technology and investments, we can achieve and will achieve great things going forward!  

Thank you all for your efforts, time and resources!  We all will continue this discussion and work with James regarding adding advanced technologies to VeriCoin through a new additional infrastructure, and we are on track with our previous roadmap too, as things are coming in the near future.

Doug
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Regarding escrow funds and going forward:

They are safe in a cold wallet and the coins no longer need to be sold at 10k prices.  James donated them back to the community, and per his request, that we whole heartily agree with, no action will be taken with the coins without a community vote to decide.
Track the escrow here: https://chainz.cryptoid.info/vrc/address.dws?VECuyuNjLDh437hJfABSxV1817D982S4H6.htm

James offered an impressive gesture of commitment to our community with this action and I thank him for that.  He still has incentive, he has his own personal stash of VeriCoin he purchased on the market.  We the community will discuss with James about how the funds can be used for this project.  There are some escrow requirements for SuperNET inclusion and so on, some things are yet to be determined as this is a new platform being built.  The discussion will continue on how to build VeriCoin into the SuperNet, while also continuing to build the independent VeriCoin wallet and network as before.  There are only more things to be gained now.

Congratulations to the VeriCoin community for coming together to meet a BIG goal in a SHORT time, it shows the true commitment and power of our community working together!  By sacrificing a bit for the best of our community, technology and investments, we can achieve and will achieve great things going forward!  

Thank you all for your efforts, time and resources!  We all will continue this discussion and work with James regarding adding advanced technologies to VeriCoin through a new additional infrastructure, and we are on track with our previous roadmap too, as things are coming in the near future.

Doug

Good riddance to vericoin, as Ive said from the early days strong devs + great community

Congrats on everything

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Good riddance



Thank you, though  Cheesy

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September 08, 2014, 06:13:54 AM
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lol I was thinking the same thing....
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mctaino is wizrig.
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mctaino is wizrig.

That's it? No 10000 word novel? No testament to your greatness? No vanquishing of the evil doers?

So disappointed barabbas....so disappointed  Cry
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We might possibly avoid this thread descending into a bleep fest again if we
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We might possibly avoid this thread descending into a bleep fest again if we
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Your totally right....my bad!


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Regarding escrow funds and going forward:

They are safe in a cold wallet and the coins no longer need to be sold at 10k prices.  James donated them back to the community, and per his request, that we whole heartily agree with, no action will be taken with the coins without a community vote to decide.
Track the escrow here: https://chainz.cryptoid.info/vrc/address.dws?VECuyuNjLDh437hJfABSxV1817D982S4H6.htm

James offered an impressive gesture of commitment to our community with this action and I thank him for that.  He still has incentive, he has his own personal stash of VeriCoin he purchased on the market.  We the community will discuss with James about how the funds can be used for this project.  There are some escrow requirements for SuperNET inclusion and so on, some things are yet to be determined as this is a new platform being built.  The discussion will continue on how to build VeriCoin into the SuperNet, while also continuing to build the independent VeriCoin wallet and network as before.  There are only more things to be gained now.

Congratulations to the VeriCoin community for coming together to meet a BIG goal in a SHORT time, it shows the true commitment and power of our community working together!  By sacrificing a bit for the best of our community, technology and investments, we can achieve and will achieve great things going forward!  

Thank you all for your efforts, time and resources!  We all will continue this discussion and work with James regarding adding advanced technologies to VeriCoin through a new additional infrastructure, and we are on track with our previous roadmap too, as things are coming in the near future.

Doug

Good riddance to vericoin, as Ive said from the early days strong devs + great community

Congrats on everything

Wizrig "I/O Coin Community Manager". He's back!

Where is the party, the "big news guys" BIG guys, like, vericoin gonna take over the latino world.... 2 days later, He was gone. LOL.



This was my favorite wizrig line from hangouts "I'm not even lieing!"

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I wish the most reputable in crypto world will post again here so the price will start to rise again. Does anyone here knows who im talking about?
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So who is this Iginio Shaw also known as Buy4crypto?  Nice lot of domains, perhaps one day some of them will be worth something.  

I see you have taken the time to whoIS my properties, you don't have the right "Shaw" though. I am related to the one you mention. My family is very involved in business / virtual currencies, the extent people will find out in a few years Smiley So you stumbled upon some of someone else's domains, that I am related to.

If you want to have my info, Its Roberto Shaw, not Iginio, If you need to find out any of this info, I would gladly tell anyone who is interested. My identity is no secret. Infact I want you all to know me, to contact me when future businesses need support. When my companies take off, I will not be a CEO from the shadows, makes zero sense. This was my attraction to VeriCoin. I had intense passion over that. So I will go with what the community feels is best.

You must all realize what it means to blindly follow someone else's ambitions (anon person in this case which is inherently more dangerous), without question. It can be the most destructive action a company, or in this case Virtual Currency could take. You need leaders, you need visionaries. I am worried this coin has given up on its long term vision to appease the vocal people who are screaming for a price increase at any cost.

That is my opinion, clearly Its the wrong one as its not alligned with the current attitudes of those pumping this plan. So please, bash away, alienate me, " "Shun" me like the naughty lil amish boy I am"

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September 08, 2014, 12:22:37 PM
 #15680

It's time for a post to review what happened with VRC in the last three days and what the partnership with superNET means for the future from VRC bag-holder viewpoint.

1) The events clearly indicate that many sceptics including me were completely wrong about the main VeriCoin developers, EffectsToCause and Pnosker, terms of their arrogance, adaptability and willingness for a change. We have been arguing here for weeks for a change and asked EffectsToCause and Pnosker to do something about the failing price. EffectsToCause and Pnosker stepped up during the weekend and tried their best to put back VeriCoin on the right track (at least what they believe is the right track). They deserve a huge respect for their willingness to drive VRC forward, they are not arrogant and blind at all as the sceptics' insulting posts suggested it in the last few weeks, and as I was the biggest sceptic regarding their approach, I am happy to admit that I was wrong about the core VRC devs.

2) The vaporware and technological fantasy that know by the market and crypto community as superNET will do nothing good nor bad for VRC in long term. Perhaps the superNET partnership will push the price to 20k-30k, but nothing more VRC bag-holders can expect from the involvement of jl777 ... lets be clear, the "jl777 effect" and his infinite contacts to wealthy whales couldn't even push the price over 20k ... so don't expect anything big from jl777.
Technology wise and from design viewpoint the superNET idea is a complete mess, implementation wise it is obviously a vaporware, from software engineering viewpoint jl777's code (at least what is in the github repository) is a spaghetti code and a very poorly structured library. In one year time no one will remember superNET that's for sure. These days the altcoin market is desperate to find solutions to survive against BTC, and therefore charlatans and convincing sales men like jl777 can be very successful in making money. Good for him, he deserves every BTC he can get as he pull off his scam convincingly and consistently in the scam driven altcoin market, but that's all, nothing more superNET is.
There are a few whales in the superNET project like my fellow Russian trader @Cryptopumping and the whales will squeeze out few thousands BTC from superNET no doubt about that, there are lots of day traders will make money with superNET, it might help to pump VRC a bit, but in long term superNET will not succeed, because it provides the participating digital currencies with no real value nor add anything to digital currency movement.
On the note of jl777 effects as this charlatan like to call what he does, he is undoubtedly a very convincing and consistent one, but he doesn't need VRC - he needs the public profile of the VRC devs. First it was 2.6 million VRC, then it was 1 VRC if the devs get rid of Buy4Crypto ... in the meantime he said he will bring his infinite amount of whales into the VRC operation ... then it was again 2.6 million ... now he is donating back the escrow ... but in the meantime don't expect anything before 2015, because he is busy. Quite amazing actually so many bollocks within a short period of time :-)) Remember what I said when I heard about this deal: no serious software professional enter into such deal under such conditions what was presented to the community. jl777 actions indicate that he is not a serious technology professional, certainly not a visionary - he just needs the VRC devs' public profile, that's why before the superNET ICO he came here. He is already marketing the superNET idea with the transparent picture of VRC, that's all he needed when his ICO on his way. (Before you answer your usual bollocks jl777, put your money and actions where your mouth is and bring your whales into VRC and push the price to at least to 30k and then we talk).

The VRC fans, activists and community members should be relaxed: long after this jl777 charlatan is gone the VRC devs will be here because they are serious about their project, 1-2 years time when all this nonsenses like superNET are gone VRC will be still strong. (I am not interested in such long term projects, I just here to tell this good news for the VRC fans and activists :-)))

Good luck for every bag holders.
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