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[wpalczynski]

Boolberry does sound funny and not at all like money. I wonder how they came up with it.

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Is your target market only programmers? 99% of the people in the world don't know what 'bool' means. You flunk Marketing 101.

99.999% also have no idea what is monero, since it is only about 2000 people know esperanto .

With all due respect (and I have a few bbr in my pocket), this may be the biggest "glass house" statement I have ever read.

Monero is widely regarded a terrific name for a cryptocurrency.  Smells like money in many languages.  What does boolberry smell like?

[AnonyMint]

Martin Armstrong talks about what is coming after Sept. 2015 from the 34 min point forward in the a July 14 interview, but the most interesting part for us might be from the 43 min point forward (especially 46:30) where he talks about alternative currencies during this coming period. You can quickly skip forward in the interview to the juicy part. His war and social unrest cycle will start firing zonkers starting this November.

[cAPSLOCK]

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Boolberry does sound funny and not at all like money. I wonder how they came up with it.

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Is your target market only programmers? 99% of the people in the world don't know what 'bool' means. You flunk Marketing 101.

99.999% also have no idea what is monero, since it is only about 2000 people know esperanto .

With all due respect (and I have a few bbr in my pocket), this may be the biggest "glass house" statement I have ever read.

Monero is widely regarded a terrific name for a cryptocurrency.  Smells like money in many languages.  What does boolberry smell like?

[AnonyMint]

Cute mascot, it is the next Doggiecoin.

[tacotime]

So mining isn't anonymous?  

No, we aren't concerned about miners. 90% of blocks are mined by public pools anyway, there's no real point. We're mostly concerned about the people using it for barter transactions.

[Este Nuno]

Cute mascot, it is the next Doggiecoin.

As we can see with the trend in disregarding the fact that these things are supposed to be a currency, everyone wants to be the next Dogecoin.

[Joshuar]

Gosh, ton of info, discussion here.

I looked into Boolberry and Monero.

They're both good(pushing away the gpu miner guy for bbr)

But really, Boolberries improvements on the coin, can be done on Monero or any other Cryptonote coin just as quickly(without full copy/paste)

I choose Monero over Boolberry (disregarding instamines or anything else, just focusing on first appearances), because Monero came out first, it has a big, juicy, sized developers team, and the name is just better.

Its like comparing "A Coin"  with "W Coin", "A Coin" came out first, and acquired a good size development team, its name is also better. It's development team has made more "underneath" changes to the coin than "W Coin" and its developers are focusing on addressing different issues correctly and properly, unlike "W Coin", which it's developers are hurrying to change this and that, to try and make it stand out from "A Coin"

Basically "A Coin"/Monero, on first view as I have said, seems like its development is more focused on fully understanding and addressing issues without hurrying through things and finding "quick ducttape solutions" that cause more problems down the road, and "W Coin"/Boolberry seems like its developers are more focused on adding on this and that without fully understanding the code and not taking their time.
That's my view.

[AnonyMint]

Zoidberg replied to you, telling you that it only used the less predictable parts of blocks for the scratchpad. You're still going on about how it may be predictable... so tell us why.

You apparently have no comprehension of what has been said.

"less predictable parts of blocks" makes no quantitative sense. That they were generated from prior PoW is not sufficient to quantify them as "less predictable". For one thing, they are already known by the time they are used. It is not even necessarily true that the PoW hashes couldn't contain planted patterns (remember any value less than the required difficulty is acceptable)!

The Cryptonote PoW algorithm runs the current value through a hash, and uses the output to as the index to lookup the next random memory location containing the next value.

If that hash is not uniformly distributed and or not perfectly random, then the memory locations visited may not comprise all locations in the scratchpad or can be gamed in other ways.

For example birthdays are uniformly distributed but if the sampling size is too small, then the test of duplicate birthdays probabilities are not uniform! So seemingly random and uniformly distributed data is not in another context. The size of the sample (the entropy) matters.

That is just one possible weakness. There may be others.

Using naked (unenveloped) AES rounds as a hash function can be incorrect. I cited a reference on that already.

I haven't studied the Boolberry PoW algorithm but I am aware it is using data from the block chain to modulate the choice of the next index in the scratchpad. The potential problem is that data may not have the degree of uniform distribution and randomness required. Your notion of "less predictable" is mathematical nonsense. It is the period of cyclic structure and extent of entropy that matter in Birthday attacks. The Boolberry PoW algorithm may be replacing the pseudorandom generator in Cryptonote entirely with data from the block chain. Since that data is known a priori, it might be possible to precompute certain lookup tables or other cryptanalysis strategies.

I believe it is possible to fix both if they have weaknesses (well at least Cryptonote but the Boolberry PoW might be doomed if I am correct that planted patterns can be put into block solution hashes). For example for Boolberry, he could probably add a hash computation every so many lookups in the scratchpad (within the loop inside the over PoW hash), to sufficiently randomize and disperse any accumulative effects from the block chain data. Ditto Cryptonote can probably replace the AES circuit with a known secure hash has every N lookups in the scratchpad. But I would prefer cryptanalysis to tell us with more certainty.

WHY ARE YOU WASTING MY TIME? Hire a cryptographer to do some study.

[Anotheranonlol]

WHY ARE YOU WASTING MY TIME? Hire a cryptographer to do some study.

can't you see this man is serious! stop wasting his goddam time and get bruce schneir on the case already

[dga]

WHY ARE YOU WASTING MY TIME? Hire a cryptographer to do some study.

can't you see this man is serious! stop wasting his goddam time and get bruce schneir on the case already

Ahh, you tricked me into reading!

Sentences of the form:

"I haven't studied the Boolberry PoW algorithm but "

typically deserve to have the "but" and all words following it replaced by a period.

* I haven't studied medicine or electromagnetics, but I believe that cell phones cause cancer!

* I haven't studied mechanical engineering, but I believe my bridge design is sound!

Don't those just read a lot better as:  "I haven't studied mechanical engineering." ? :-)

[digicoin]

"I haven't studied the Boolberry PoW algorithm but I do invent Proof Of Troll"

[jwinterm]

I haven't studied thermodynamics, but I really like to keep using the word 'entropy'.   

[pandher]

Can anybody have a look at this and shed some light. Looks like a quick buck making coin

https://www.dropbox.com/s/m5nop0ev0jn16t6/whitepaper.pdf

[illodin]

Can anybody have a look at this and shed some light. Looks like a quick buck making coin

https://www.dropbox.com/s/m5nop0ev0jn16t6/whitepaper.pdf

Looks like a double spender's paradise.

[smooth]

Othe, according to things that smooth said about problems with nodes bandwidth overhead, this i2p implementation looks really strange, since it definitely make this also slower.

I have no doubts that you informed about all issues and would be happy to see a result when you finish that.

The I2P network is designed for interaction of persons making transactions with main nodes without revealing your IP. It's not intended for general use (we will continue to use the normal P2P code for that).

So mining isn't anonymous? 

Nothing will prevent someone from running a node over i2p and mining on it if they choose to. They may have increased latancy (more orphans) and some bandwidth issues (longer initial download time, although downloading from a Torrent as is done with Bitcoin would be another option), but that is a tradeoff they will make for increased privacy.

[smooth]

WHY ARE YOU WASTING MY TIME?

I'm pretty sure he has no actual authority over how you allocate your time.

[smooth]

New thread for discussing and/or arranging large off-exchange trades: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=716331.0

[aminorex]

XMR doesn't bring anything to the table over BBR

Actually, it brings the one and only thing that currency is for:  Liquidity.

[drawingthemoon]

XMR doesn't bring anything to the table over BBR

Actually, it brings the one and only thing that currency is for:  Liquidity.

Last time I checked, the only thing I could purchase with XMR was the integrity of individuals on boards, forums and exchange trollboxes. Unless you are also counting extracting bitcoins from castle-eyed brainwashed daydreamers as liquidity too.

Yes it currently has "liquidity" advantages over BBR.

[nakaone]

this bbr xmr discussion is so needless and I see no reason why it is important - I own both in a 1/3 bbr/xmr ratio and yes bbr is massively undervalued BUT xmr has one thing and probably the only really important - the market until now has decided that xmr is the one that shows some serious network effects - I would estimate that at xmr has at least 10 times more "investors/speculators" and what counts much more, it has convinced some serious people to say this will be the privacy counterparty to bitcoins transparent ledger.

compared to all the other stuff out there the market for some reason does not value bbr properly - but to try to compare bbr to monero will seriously end up badly for bbr.

one thing which is probably interesting is the comparison of network effects between drk and xmr - I thought about that for quite a while and we all know examples when the inferior technology surpassed for some reasons the superior technology. it is quite easy to illustrate in game theoretic form why the inferior technology surpasses the superior one - well basically it is network effects which gives the one on the superior technology a higher utility when he uses the inferior technology, in the case that all others use them as well. even if drk has more users/investors/speculators at this moment of time the inferior technology will in this case not win against the superior, for the reason that the the elasticity between somewhat half-baked private and full private regarding utility is very high. this is not watching a movie on a vhs which is inferior to betamax, but offers almost the same utility - this is a very sensitive issue: the differences in utility between the better and the worse will be massive.