rpietila Altcoin Observer

[fluffypony]

Same laptop: Dell Inspiron 15 - Intel Core i5 - 4200U 1.6 Ghz - 6 GB RAM. XMR is always much slower than BBR on my laptop. I open XMR wallet more often than BBR one: every day or every 3-4 days. XMR daemon is slow all the time. It is strange that BBR can sync the blockchain much much faster than XMR

There's no doubt that verification is slower with CryptoNight. That having been said, the reduced performance gap benefits vastly outweigh any "perception" benefits switching algorithms at this stage. If we switched algorithms it definitely wouldn't be to something that is as broken as Wild Keccak (no offence to BBR, I greatly respect what CZ has done), it would be to something technically superior to CryptoNight.

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I think that XMR should change its algorithm.

My XMR blockchain was 6 days behind the network: 8600 blocks unsync-ed. It took me 40 minutes sync-ing the blockchain from 1h33 - 2h25 PM

That's a hash rate of 4/sec. Doubtful the PoW algorithm had much to do with this. What device is it?

PoW is not the only difference between BBR and XMR. Another is many more transactions on XMR. Or you may simply have been connected to slower peers.

Same laptop: Dell Inspiron 15 - Intel Core i5 - 4200U 1.6 Ghz - 6 GB RAM. XMR is always much slower than BBR on my laptop. I open XMR wallet more often than BBR one: every day or every 3-4 days. XMR daemon is slow all the time. It is strange that BBR can sync the blockchain much much faster than XMR

The 4200U has AES-NI so verification should be extremely fast...much faster than 4 H/s. If you try start_mining 1 in the wallet and then do show_hr in the daemon what hash rate do you get?

I'm pretty sure you are seeing some other bottleneck besides the hash algorithm, though what that is exactly I'm not sure.

[crypto_zoidberg]

I think that XMR should change its algorithm.

My XMR blockchain was 6 days behind the network: 8600 blocks unsync-ed. It took me 40 minutes sync-ing the blockchain from 1h33 - 2h25 PM

That's a hash rate of 4/sec. Doubtful the PoW algorithm had much to do with this. What device is it?

PoW is not the only difference between BBR and XMR. Another is many more transactions on XMR. Or you may simply have been connected to slower peers.

Another difference is block interval - Monero have twice more blocks per day.

[crypto_zoidberg]

Same laptop: Dell Inspiron 15 - Intel Core i5 - 4200U 1.6 Ghz - 6 GB RAM. XMR is always much slower than BBR on my laptop. I open XMR wallet more often than BBR one: every day or every 3-4 days. XMR daemon is slow all the time. It is strange that BBR can sync the blockchain much much faster than XMR

There's no doubt that verification is slower with CryptoNight. That having been said, the reduced performance gap benefits vastly outweigh any "perception" benefits switching algorithms at this stage. If we switched algorithms it definitely wouldn't be to something that is as broken as Wild Keccak (no offence to BBR, I greatly respect what CZ has done), it would be to something technically superior to CryptoNight.

If you really respect my work, bother to explain and prove that Wild Keccak is broken. Have you found the way to hack it ?

Because if haven't - it's just a lie, once again.

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I think that XMR should change its algorithm.

My XMR blockchain was 6 days behind the network: 8600 blocks unsync-ed. It took me 40 minutes sync-ing the blockchain from 1h33 - 2h25 PM

That's a hash rate of 4/sec. Doubtful the PoW algorithm had much to do with this. What device is it?

PoW is not the only difference between BBR and XMR. Another is many more transactions on XMR. Or you may simply have been connected to slower peers.

Another difference is block interval - Monero have twice more blocks per day.

Sure but why would he be syncing at only 4 blocks/sec? That's a very low rate.

[rpietila]

Another difference is block interval - Monero have twice more blocks per day.

When I was choosing between the two, I personally felt that both the block interval and coin generation schedule were better in BBR. But unfortunately all the other things were worse, with legitimacy on the top of the list.

[crypto_zoidberg]

I think that XMR should change its algorithm.

My XMR blockchain was 6 days behind the network: 8600 blocks unsync-ed. It took me 40 minutes sync-ing the blockchain from 1h33 - 2h25 PM

That's a hash rate of 4/sec. Doubtful the PoW algorithm had much to do with this. What device is it?

PoW is not the only difference between BBR and XMR. Another is many more transactions on XMR. Or you may simply have been connected to slower peers.

Another difference is block interval - Monero have twice more blocks per day.

Sure but why would he be syncing at only 4 blocks/sec? That's a very low rate.

Digicoin, if you enable first logging level, we could see how long does it take to calculate PoW in message started from "+++++ BLOCK SUCCESSFULLY ADDED ...", it is a last number in Brackets.
Put log's here and we could exactly see what time is spended on PoW.

[crypto_zoidberg]

Another difference is block interval - Monero have twice more blocks per day.

When I was choosing between the two, I personally felt that both the block interval and coin generation schedule were better in BBR. But unfortunately all the other things were worse, with legitimacy on the top of the list.

I expect that answer will be criticize - nevertheless i would like to ask what you mean by "legitimacy"  ? and by "other things" ?
I realize that you already chosen Monero and invested in it - so i'm just interested to know investor's vision, and may be to learn my own errors.

[Este Nuno]

with legitimacy on the top of the list.

What other than the name is illegitimate about BBR?

[fluffypony]

If you really respect my work, bother to explain and prove that Wild Keccak is broken. Have you found the way to hack it ?

Because if haven't - it's just a lie, once again.

"once again" - are you implying that I've lied about BBR before? You'd do well to think through your words before writing.

[crypto_zoidberg]

If you really respect my work, bother to explain and prove that Wild Keccak is broken. Have you found the way to hack it ?

Because if haven't - it's just a lie, once again.

"once again" - are you implying that I've lied about BBR before? You'd do well to think through your words before writing.

It wasn't addressed personally to you, sorry if it sounds like it was, but i've saw many times when from Monero team was said wrong or confusing things about BBR.

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I think that XMR should change its algorithm.

My XMR blockchain was 6 days behind the network: 8600 blocks unsync-ed. It took me 40 minutes sync-ing the blockchain from 1h33 - 2h25 PM

That's a hash rate of 4/sec. Doubtful the PoW algorithm had much to do with this. What device is it?

PoW is not the only difference between BBR and XMR. Another is many more transactions on XMR. Or you may simply have been connected to slower peers.

Same laptop: Dell Inspiron 15 - Intel Core i5 - 4200U 1.6 Ghz - 6 GB RAM. XMR is always much slower than BBR on my laptop. I open XMR wallet more often than BBR one: every day or every 3-4 days. XMR daemon is slow all the time. It is strange that BBR can sync the blockchain much much faster than XMR

I have an idea. It might be frequency scaling. You will get poor performance with the quick bursts of CPU activity of verification but not mining. If this proves to be true we can probably at least optionally bypass scaling during resyncs. I'm interested in both the log data crypto_zoidberg asked for as well as single thread mining speed.

[crypto_zoidberg]

I think that XMR should change its algorithm.

My XMR blockchain was 6 days behind the network: 8600 blocks unsync-ed. It took me 40 minutes sync-ing the blockchain from 1h33 - 2h25 PM

That's a hash rate of 4/sec. Doubtful the PoW algorithm had much to do with this. What device is it?

PoW is not the only difference between BBR and XMR. Another is many more transactions on XMR. Or you may simply have been connected to slower peers.

Same laptop: Dell Inspiron 15 - Intel Core i5 - 4200U 1.6 Ghz - 6 GB RAM. XMR is always much slower than BBR on my laptop. I open XMR wallet more often than BBR one: every day or every 3-4 days. XMR daemon is slow all the time. It is strange that BBR can sync the blockchain much much faster than XMR

I have an idea. It might be frequency scaling. You will get poor performance with the quick bursts of CPU activity of verification but not mining. If this proves to be true we can probably at least optionally bypass scaling during resyncs. I'm interested in both the log data cryptozeidberg asked for as well as single thread mining speed.

Agree, also was thinking about this, that's why i asked for logs from blockchain storage, also it shows both time intervals - whole block processing time, and PoW calcalation time, so we could see how much time is spended for Pow and and how much transactions.

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I think that XMR should change its algorithm.

My XMR blockchain was 6 days behind the network: 8600 blocks unsync-ed. It took me 40 minutes sync-ing the blockchain from 1h33 - 2h25 PM

That's a hash rate of 4/sec. Doubtful the PoW algorithm had much to do with this. What device is it?

PoW is not the only difference between BBR and XMR. Another is many more transactions on XMR. Or you may simply have been connected to slower peers.

Same laptop: Dell Inspiron 15 - Intel Core i5 - 4200U 1.6 Ghz - 6 GB RAM. XMR is always much slower than BBR on my laptop. I open XMR wallet more often than BBR one: every day or every 3-4 days. XMR daemon is slow all the time. It is strange that BBR can sync the blockchain much much faster than XMR

I have an idea. It might be frequency scaling. You will get poor performance with the quick bursts of CPU activity of verification but not mining. If this proves to be true we can probably at least optionally bypass scaling during resyncs. I'm interested in both the log data cryptozeidberg asked for as well as single thread mining speed.

Agree, also was thinking about this, that's why i asked for logs from blockchain storage, also it shows both time intervals - whole block processing time, and PoW calcalation time, so we could see how much time is spended for Pow and and how much transactions.

Although...in my experience syncing usually maxes out my CPU (which is faster than his) so that argues against scaling. I guess we need to dig into this some more. 

[Hfleer]

What do you guys think about NXT?

[blaaaaacksuit]

What do you guys think about NXT?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=624223.0

[SlipperySlope]

Unlike Bitcoin, Litecoin continues to collapse according to the resistance trendline from the November peak, dropping to below $5 today on BTC-e ...

[statdude]

Looks like a SlipperySlope.
Hah.

But really, where do you guys see this ending?

I don't really follow LTC.

[coinsolidation]

But really, where do you guys see this ending?

zero or above? I'd be surprised if it went lower than zero.

[statdude]

But really, where do you guys see this ending?

zero or above? I'd be surprised if it went lower than zero.

Nice one, Coinsolidation...

OK, how about the date when BitMark market cap surpasses LTC?

Now that, I'd be interested in