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July 17, 2014, 12:16:31 AM |
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there's no way they can compete with Bitmain[/u].
you are right. bitmain have not shipped the new generation miner yet. Yes they have. Shipping started yesterday. One reseller got the miner today. They posted a screen shot of it running at 450 Gh/s with essentially no HW errors. Pulling about 340 watts. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=656461.msg7880753#msg7880753
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suchmoon
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July 17, 2014, 12:28:35 AM |
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I think R4 is not 2 of R3. It should be a 500GH/S unit, may be a bit higer than the latest 500GH R3 as it seems to have the better cooling.
The R3 doesn't run at 500gh/s if you take the HW errors and rejects into account... I still wouldn't touch any more rockminer hardware at this point...people were right... there's no way they can compete with Bitmain. I have the funky looking rocket hashing now through the BTCD craze and I'm pretty sure this will put it within the same ROI timeframe as the S3 batch 1, which I still haven't received. To me that's fairly competitive. Not to mention that Bitmain currently doesn't have anything in stock, so it's a moot point anyway. Once they both are shipping from stock and pricing is adjusted accordingly then we can compare.
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ManeBjorn
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July 17, 2014, 03:28:23 AM |
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The RK3 is nice. I have one right now I am writing up a review on. A good step over the Rocket. The RK4 is being worked on. It is such a good time to be in crypto currencies. Lots of miner options. Great community support for new manufacturers like Rockminer make me excited for this industry. Rockminer is doing a great job. I think R4 is not 2 of R3. It should be a 500GH/S unit, may be a bit higer than the latest 500GH R3 as it seems to have the better cooling.
The R3 doesn't run at 500gh/s if you take the HW errors and rejects into account... I still wouldn't touch any more rockminer hardware at this point...people were right... there's no way they can compete with Bitmain. I have the funky looking rocket hashing now through the BTCD craze and I'm pretty sure this will put it within the same ROI timeframe as the S3 batch 1, which I still haven't received. To me that's fairly competitive. Not to mention that Bitmain currently doesn't have anything in stock, so it's a moot point anyway. Once they both are shipping from stock and pricing is adjusted accordingly then we can compare.
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July 17, 2014, 06:00:52 PM |
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Just a question...
On your website / 450-500GH/s machine, it says:
Others: Raspberry Pi and SD card for EVERY UNIT -> Do I need to provide or does it come with it?
Edit: I know I need a PSU, it's the norm... Never mind, your PCI-E connectors are WAY too far apart for my power supplies. Most mainstream PSU that can adapt 4 ports are not suited for coupling long distances like yours and server PSU's suck balls. Mainstream 4-port modular uses one main port then another port attacked to it with 2 inches of wiring.
You can get an extension such as this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/251488197871I wouldnt recommend it. PCIe connectors has 6 separate wires. so much load going through that adapter will probably cause some damage. That adapter has 6 wires too and proper PCI-E male/female plugs, why would it be damaged as opposed to a regular PCI-E plug straight from the PSU? ah, my mistake, it is an extender. I didnt notice, I thought it was molex to pcie adapter. still, be careful with those. if those wires arent thick enough, or if the connector-pins are of poor quality they still can make some problems. Exactly, since the wires are already spliced to accommodate something else, I wouldn't load both ends with the same load. I got those for the S3's but on that miner, the plugs are a lot closer together; I can get an extension but I prefer not too spend more than I have to. Bad enough the Pi's aren't included, that's an additional $25 avg per machine; plus I would need 12" extensions to not cause any strain on the miner's connectors. PS: Has anyone tried using a USB hub with a Raspbrry PI instead of buying more? Or is there any other alternative to using that device?
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suchmoon
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July 17, 2014, 06:28:29 PM |
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Just a question...
On your website / 450-500GH/s machine, it says:
Others: Raspberry Pi and SD card for EVERY UNIT -> Do I need to provide or does it come with it?
Edit: I know I need a PSU, it's the norm... Never mind, your PCI-E connectors are WAY too far apart for my power supplies. Most mainstream PSU that can adapt 4 ports are not suited for coupling long distances like yours and server PSU's suck balls. Mainstream 4-port modular uses one main port then another port attacked to it with 2 inches of wiring.
You can get an extension such as this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/251488197871I wouldnt recommend it. PCIe connectors has 6 separate wires. so much load going through that adapter will probably cause some damage. That adapter has 6 wires too and proper PCI-E male/female plugs, why would it be damaged as opposed to a regular PCI-E plug straight from the PSU? ah, my mistake, it is an extender. I didnt notice, I thought it was molex to pcie adapter. still, be careful with those. if those wires arent thick enough, or if the connector-pins are of poor quality they still can make some problems. Exactly, since the wires are already spliced to accommodate something else, I wouldn't load both ends with the same load. I got those for the S3's but on that miner, the plugs are a lot closer together; I can get an extension but I prefer not too spend more than I have to. Bad enough the Pi's aren't included, that's an additional $25 avg per machine; plus I would need 12" extensions to not cause any strain on the miner's connectors. PS: Has anyone tried using a USB hub with a Raspbrry PI instead of buying more? Or is there any other alternative to using that device? You can connect it to anything, not just Pi. Or use one Pi for multiple miners (not sure what's the limit though, Pi has some issues with too many USB devices). I was able to compile cgminer 4.4 and use it on a regular Linux box that I use with other miners (Zeus etc) but eventually switched back to Pi when I was done experimenting.
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GigaBit
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July 17, 2014, 07:21:12 PM |
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You can connect it to anything, not just Pi. Or use one Pi for multiple miners (not sure what's the limit though, Pi has some issues with too many USB devices). I was able to compile cgminer 4.4 and use it on a regular Linux box that I use with other miners (Zeus etc) but eventually switched back to Pi when I was done experimenting. - Such Moon Just seems like a such a waste, two machines per 1 Pi that costs $40 at best. Then if it breaks, you lose two machines and besides, who wants to spend additional for spares? IF one Pi could run 4-6 machines it would be nice; a dozen would be overkill because of the connection would suffer self-throttling. I don't get why a miner that's using last week's technology (40Nm) is charging this week's technology's (20Nm) price, especially when most miners now are 28Nm chips. This company could steal a lot of business from Bitmain if prices were competitive. I might try a pair out at the end of the month if Bitmain doesn't re-open sales by then.
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suchmoon
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July 17, 2014, 08:43:36 PM |
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You can connect it to anything, not just Pi. Or use one Pi for multiple miners (not sure what's the limit though, Pi has some issues with too many USB devices). I was able to compile cgminer 4.4 and use it on a regular Linux box that I use with other miners (Zeus etc) but eventually switched back to Pi when I was done experimenting. - Such Moon Just seems like a such a waste, two machines per 1 Pi that costs $40 at best. Then if it breaks, you lose two machines and besides, who wants to spend additional for spares? IF one Pi could run 4-6 machines it would be nice; a dozen would be overkill because of the connection would suffer self-throttling. I don't get why a miner that's using last week's technology (40Nm) is charging this week's technology's (20Nm) price, especially when most miners now are 28Nm chips. This company could steal a lot of business from Bitmain if prices were competitive. I might try a pair out at the end of the month if Bitmain doesn't re-open sales by then. Waste as opposed to what, each AntMiner having its own built-in controller? Each approach has its merits, I prefer it to be as modular as possible if the price is right, since I have a bunch of hardware (PSUs, raspberries, etc) laying around. Others may prefer self-contained plug-and-play boxes. As for spares, at least it's a possibility with a modular approach, what happens if a built-in part breaks in a "black box"? Two weeks offline for RMA if you're lucky to have warranty. But to be fair controller is probably the least likely part to break, so I don't think it's an issue for either one of them. I bet the prices will change when Bitmain starts selling.
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July 17, 2014, 08:51:05 PM |
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You can connect it to anything, not just Pi. Or use one Pi for multiple miners (not sure what's the limit though, Pi has some issues with too many USB devices). I was able to compile cgminer 4.4 and use it on a regular Linux box that I use with other miners (Zeus etc) but eventually switched back to Pi when I was done experimenting. - Such Moon Just seems like a such a waste, two machines per 1 Pi that costs $40 at best. Then if it breaks, you lose two machines and besides, who wants to spend additional for spares? IF one Pi could run 4-6 machines it would be nice; a dozen would be overkill because of the connection would suffer self-throttling. I don't get why a miner that's using last week's technology (40Nm) is charging this week's technology's (20Nm) price, especially when most miners now are 28Nm chips. This company could steal a lot of business from Bitmain if prices were competitive. I might try a pair out at the end of the month if Bitmain doesn't re-open sales by then. who is shipping "this weeks" 20nm technology?
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July 17, 2014, 09:55:28 PM |
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who is shipping "this weeks" 20nm technology?
KnC sorta, but I'd rather have Bitmain's (or Spondoolies) 28nm technology over KnC's 20nm.
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CanaryInTheMine
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July 17, 2014, 10:01:05 PM |
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who is shipping "this weeks" 20nm technology?
KnC sorta, but I'd rather have Bitmain's (or Spondoolies) 28nm technology over KnC's 20nm. "sorta" as in how? sorta like BFL, sorta delivered it's product? eventually... or still trying to... or won't... sorta?
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July 17, 2014, 10:05:08 PM |
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"sorta" as in how? sorta like BFL, sorta delivered it's product? eventually... or still trying to... or won't... sorta?
Well, they've shipped quite a few, but I think there are still a lot of pre-orders not yet shipped.
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Meech
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July 18, 2014, 02:26:59 AM |
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R4 is listed on the website now. They just keep upgrading the same rig with better cooling and housing.
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Meech
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July 18, 2014, 03:32:21 AM |
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I only imagine your one of the first to do so. I'd buy one from you when you design it. I'm buying one tomorrow.
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July 18, 2014, 03:35:40 AM |
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I only imagine your one of the first to do so. I'd buy one from you when you design it. I'm buying one tomorrow. Where you picking yours up from mate? I am undecided where I am going to purchase from
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July 18, 2014, 03:55:56 AM |
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Is anyone currently running a R3?
I'm curious what kind of hardware error rates you're seeing. The only few screen shots I've seen show about 10%+ hardware error rate, which I think its a lot..
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Phosphorous
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July 18, 2014, 05:31:00 AM |
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I'm a lot happier after installing CGminer 4.4.2. I know have my Rbox and my RK-Box running at 320Mhz. The miners seem to be hashing at much higher rates and very stable. I'll update this post later when it's been running for a few hours.
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July 18, 2014, 06:14:05 AM |
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Is anyone currently running a R3?
I'm curious what kind of hardware error rates you're seeing. The only few screen shots I've seen show about 10%+ hardware error rate, which I think its a lot..
I was running using the rockminer os and seeing 500gh/s+ ~500~550w ~6% reject rate. Pool was showing same hashrate I need to compile the cgminer on another RPI and see the actual stats on the cgminer, also seems after a few hours the rockminer os crashes or the RPI freezes. I really need to figure this one out, not good to see 0 hashrate I'm a lot happier after installing CGminer 4.4.2. I know have my Rbox and my RK-Box running at 320Mhz. The miners seem to be hashing at much higher rates and very stable. I'll update this post later when it's been running for a few hours.
Any chance you can post your cgminer.conf or any guides you used regarding the rockminer box ?
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