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June 05, 2018, 12:36:06 PM
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I think that ninja nonsense was just something people told themselves to justify the lack of communicating and marketing. Someone said it and it has been repeated a bunch of times since then. Really disappointing how the foundation is handling things. There was an announcement months ago about Lon leaving and a new marketing team being put in place and a big marketing push.. but nothing has really happened other than a few shill articles on obscure crypto websites.

Why not get on here - https://forum.nem.io  and raise some points? That's where you'll be listened to by the actual team.

As for marketing, did you not notice the pavilion they had at Consensus? That's some major outlay.

You're right about the communication. It's always been the number one whinge. It's changing, but it's not A1.

The thing that's consistently blown my mind is that taking a few minutes out of one's week and telling people what to expect and maybe when is more effective than a million dollars of advertising yet it's rarely occurred to them.


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June 05, 2018, 02:02:32 PM
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I think that ninja nonsense was just something people told themselves to justify the lack of communicating and marketing. Someone said it and it has been repeated a bunch of times since then. Really disappointing how the foundation is handling things. There was an announcement months ago about Lon leaving and a new marketing team being put in place and a big marketing push.. but nothing has really happened other than a few shill articles on obscure crypto websites.

We need something that will truly move the needle or we're totally fucked. In reading interviews with the devs and others associated with the coin, I honestly believe them when they say they don't care about price.. and that much is obvious. Makes no sense to me. We're gonna lose so much marketcap and one more big slide and this coin will be out of the top 20.. and it's coming. Vechain is slowly creeping up while we fall.

Very frustrated with how things are being managed. This coin should be showing everyone else the way, instead they seem content to eat the crumbs left by the real big dogs.

NEM straight up fucked themselves with their invisible approach.  They're done.  If you have no community, hype or marketing it is over.  

I agree the 'ninja' shit stopped being an appealing idea a long, long time ago and it was not a clever move in the first place but it's also over now and efforts are being made. It doesn't need empty hype either. A little justified hype would certainly not have gone amiss.

Right now a lot of seeds are being planted with NEM. If they don't lead anywhere its days as a top ish coin could well be over for the foreseeable future, but it will be chugging away long after almost everything else that's around now is dust.


This pathetic lack of volume compared to the rest of the to 15 is really concerning to me. Am I the only one who feels this way?

It's always, always had a pathetic lack of volume until it violently doesn't for short periods of time. Everything pumps again eventually as long as it stays above ground.
Please join NEM Telegram or the forum.

In my opinion you have some good points and I agree with you nearly 100%.
Spread it to the right people! Cheesy
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June 05, 2018, 04:21:36 PM
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I read the discussion and came to the conclusion that this project is ambiguous. However, it is worth looking at the chart and everything will fall into place. The XEM chart looks very promising. Now the coin is in the accumulation and growth potential is very good. However, I support the view that the team does not have a clear roadmap, I would really like to see it.



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June 05, 2018, 04:32:31 PM
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I read the discussion and came to the conclusion that this project is ambiguous. However, it is worth looking at the chart and everything will fall into place. The XEM chart looks very promising. Now the coin is in the accumulation and growth potential is very good. However, I support the view that the team does not have a clear roadmap, I would really like to see it.
What do you mean by 'the project is ambiguous'?
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Are there correlations / partnerships between EOS and XEM?

No there are no partnerships or real correlations between them. EOS is just a project no-one really understands their high marketcap But that might change quite quickly if the ifrst few flaws are exploited

People have "magical" expectations from EOS, as soon as they realize that big magic results are not arriving too fast then the big dumpfest will start.

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June 05, 2018, 11:32:33 PM
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I think that ninja nonsense was just something people told themselves to justify the lack of communicating and marketing. Someone said it and it has been repeated a bunch of times since then. Really disappointing how the foundation is handling things. There was an announcement months ago about Lon leaving and a new marketing team being put in place and a big marketing push.. but nothing has really happened other than a few shill articles on obscure crypto websites.

We need something that will truly move the needle or we're totally fucked. In reading interviews with the devs and others associated with the coin, I honestly believe them when they say they don't care about price.. and that much is obvious. Makes no sense to me. We're gonna lose so much marketcap and one more big slide and this coin will be out of the top 20.. and it's coming. Vechain is slowly creeping up while we fall.

Very frustrated with how things are being managed. This coin should be showing everyone else the way, instead they seem content to eat the crumbs left by the real big dogs.

Any constructive criticism for the foundation / marketing team? It's not like they're not doing anything. They just spent A LOT of money on the consensus pavilion, for instance. Granted, the success of that is somewhat debatable.

Development of catapult is ongoing, but slooooow. Wouldn't a HUGE marketing push now be a bit counterproductive?

Do you really think a public roadmap would make any difference? Imo, it seems like there's still a general awareness problem.

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June 06, 2018, 12:04:04 AM
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Do you really think a public roadmap would make any difference? Imo, it seems like there's still a general awareness problem.

I for one very extremely much believe so.

When people are sniffing around something new that's one of the very first things they look to. If it isn't there then many a time they're not going to burrow any further. There are bog standard things you look at before going further with most projects - website, market position, Bitcointalk mentions, and a roadmap is very much in there too.

It may seem simplistic to someone heavily involved, but people start off on a simple basis anyway and then the details draw them in later on. And I wouldn't really class it as marketing. It's a basic courtesy in the minds of many - you're here in our present, here's a few bullet points about where we're planning to take you, or where you may take us.

It reminds me a little of what that Cache bloke was saying. He had to dig pretty hard on the website to find the info that excited him. It wasn't immediately in his face.

It's not as if it's a mind scrambling task either. It's a few hours of work which may pay off adoption wise more than tens or hundreds or thousands of hours of effort elsewhere. I'd happily do it myself if I had a clue about anything.

For something so simple and so ubiquitous elsewhere I find it mysterious that it doesn't exist though I recall mentions of something being put together on Telegram. Once it's in place it may only need a few minutes of maintenance per month but it would make a big difference.

It's one of the absolute smallest outlays of effort vs potential onboarding return.


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June 06, 2018, 12:27:32 AM
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As much as i love nem, theyve been talking about catapult for a very long time now. Why are they moving so slow when more complex projects are developing rapidly?

There's only three core developers.

Also almost every other project moves fast and breaks things. NEM delivers stuff that works from the off.

That's an attitude that isn't welcome in cryptoland in general.

Why are there only three core devs ? Seems a bit few for such a large project ?

I thought catapult was going to be released yesterday ? Did it get postponed ? Seems like a very big deal for NEM

Yes three devs for the core engine plus multiple devs for things like SDK, Documentation etc.

When talking about catapult you have to difference about the private Mijn chain and the public NEM chain. Catapult is already released for the private chain and being tested by companies. It is open source and everybody can have a first look at the impressive new Catapult architecture.

The public NEM chain will utilize all of the Catapult technology already published. But for a public chain there are additional modules needed like harvesting, node trust system, governance etc. These modules are in development right now. Once finished the public Catapult will arise. Most of the work is already done!

Keep in mind that once the public chain also has the Catapult update the two chains can interoperate with another. You will be able to make atomic swaps between the public and private chain. AFAIK NO other coin is so close to releasing this long anticipated feature. This is the final puzzle piece for NEM, and many companies eagerly wait for it to launch their products on top of NEM.

Overall the development phase for catapult might be about three Years. That is very reasonable considering all the features where NEM will be the first to offer them to the crypto world. We talk about the core of NEM not some webapp utilizing it. Any error here has massive impact on the complete NEM ecosystem. So better to handle this with the very carefully and don't rush anything Smiley

Thank you for the detailed reply. I have to read up about catapult didnt catch up for to long still have some NEM from a long time ago. Development phase is about three years? this is your estimation or the core team? How long are they at it already? I understand that quality takes time especially when you make large changes at the core. I like projects that are focusing on quality and take the effort to do it right even if that means that some people will lose faith in the progress.

"AFAIK NO other coin is so close to releasing this long anticipated feature. This is the final puzzle piece for NEM, and many companies eagerly wait for it to launch their products on top of NEM" What do you mean by this? atomic swaps between different chains?

The three years are my estimate. If i remember correctly first nems about catapult development startet to surface about two and a half years ago. Main reason back then was to swap to C++ to gain performance. I guess many of the catapult features that are in it today came from feedback and feature requests of Mijn customers. So catapult itself grew with time and represents now what businesses expect and need from blockchain tech.

Some things have to be tried first before you really know what you need to achieve your goal. Catapult is the second iteration of an already working product and brings to blockchain the things people need. Not some wild speculation in a whitepaper.

Regarding atomic swaps you can read the following blog post which explains it very nicely:

https://forum.nem.io/t/using-a-secret-lock-transaction-for-an-atomic-cross-chain-swap-nem-catapult-101/17243
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I think that ninja nonsense was just something people told themselves to justify the lack of communicating and marketing. Someone said it and it has been repeated a bunch of times since then. Really disappointing how the foundation is handling things. There was an announcement months ago about Lon leaving and a new marketing team being put in place and a big marketing push.. but nothing has really happened other than a few shill articles on obscure crypto websites.

We need something that will truly move the needle or we're totally fucked. In reading interviews with the devs and others associated with the coin, I honestly believe them when they say they don't care about price.. and that much is obvious. Makes no sense to me. We're gonna lose so much marketcap and one more big slide and this coin will be out of the top 20.. and it's coming. Vechain is slowly creeping up while we fall.

Very frustrated with how things are being managed. This coin should be showing everyone else the way, instead they seem content to eat the crumbs left by the real big dogs.

Any constructive criticism for the foundation / marketing team? It's not like they're not doing anything. They just spent A LOT of money on the consensus pavilion, for instance. Granted, the success of that is somewhat debatable.

Development of catapult is ongoing, but slooooow. Wouldn't a HUGE marketing push now be a bit counterproductive?

Do you really think a public roadmap would make any difference? Imo, it seems like there's still a general awareness problem.


I don't think there are any constructive ideas to wait for. Mostly the people only claim to be interested, but all they are interested in is the price. There were no Fudder at 1$. The only thing the complained is that they haven't bought earlier.
It would be wrong  not to be present at Consensus or the other major events, but it´s true that the actual impact is hard to catch.

I have actually no problem with catapult taking its time and the marketing would solely make everyone more impatient.
But it sure would help most people to have some milestones or dates to look for. I can understand the demand of a roadmap because it is easier to wait for something defined.
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Interesting interview with the Tech Bureau team on how Catapult (NEM’s latest product update) is making it easy for any developer to build and deploy on blockchain. https://jaxenter.com/blolckchain-interview-beno-d-amico-144842.html … #blockchaintechnology #NEM #TechBureau


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The only guaranteed percentage is running a supernode and that would cost hundreds of thousands of dollars to set up these days.

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I think that ninja nonsense was just something people told themselves to justify the lack of communicating and marketing. Someone said it and it has been repeated a bunch of times since then. Really disappointing how the foundation is handling things. There was an announcement months ago about Lon leaving and a new marketing team being put in place and a big marketing push.. but nothing has really happened other than a few shill articles on obscure crypto websites.

We need something that will truly move the needle or we're totally fucked. In reading interviews with the devs and others associated with the coin, I honestly believe them when they say they don't care about price.. and that much is obvious. Makes no sense to me. We're gonna lose so much marketcap and one more big slide and this coin will be out of the top 20.. and it's coming. Vechain is slowly creeping up while we fall.

Very frustrated with how things are being managed. This coin should be showing everyone else the way, instead they seem content to eat the crumbs left by the real big dogs.

Any constructive criticism for the foundation / marketing team? It's not like they're not doing anything. They just spent A LOT of money on the consensus pavilion, for instance. Granted, the success of that is somewhat debatable.

Development of catapult is ongoing, but slooooow. Wouldn't a HUGE marketing push now be a bit counterproductive?

Do you really think a public roadmap would make any difference? Imo, it seems like there's still a general awareness problem.


I don't think there are any constructive ideas to wait for. Mostly the people only claim to be interested, but all they are interested in is the price. There were no Fudder at 1$. The only thing the complained is that they haven't bought earlier.
It would be wrong  not to be present at Consensus or the other major events, but it´s true that the actual impact is hard to catch.

I have actually no problem with catapult taking its time and the marketing would solely make everyone more impatient.
But it sure would help most people to have some milestones or dates to look for. I can understand the demand of a roadmap because it is easier to wait for something defined.


Of course everyone is interested in the price. Very few people can afford to be an idealist and HOPE the coin takes over as some mega solution for the future 10 years down the road.
The foundation can because they're sitting on a ton of money, even at .25 cents. But for average joe schmoe who is buying and selling trying to make a buck, then the price is very important.
By that same token, price is what drives interest, and interest drives price. You can't have one without the other.
How the foundation expects to grow some massive userbase with a coin that is severely undervalued/underhyped that nobody knows about is a mystery to me.

I'm no expert, but barring some MAJOR announcement/partnership their current course of action seems to be underwhelming and will probably cause the coin to continue to slide. Which affects interest, which affects price, which affects interest some more.. not a nice cycle to be caught up in.

Look at coins like Tezos. It's not even released yet and there is a ton of hype and excitement for it. I guarantee it will shoot up to the top 5 or so and stay there once it is launched.
We've seen the same thing in the past with coins like Ether and Ripple which launched/started with a ton of hype and excitement, and they are flying sky high in terms of volume, awareness and marketcap. NEM is going in the opposite direction and it's frustrating to watch as someone who has held this coin since launch in 2015. I held through $1, and held through $2. But I wonder if I made a mistake in doing so.. especially since we seem to be drifting along aimlessly.
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June 06, 2018, 12:25:31 PM
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I'm no expert, but barring some MAJOR announcement/partnership their current course of action seems to be underwhelming and will probably cause the coin to continue to slide. Which affects interest, which affects price, which affects interest some more.. not a nice cycle to be caught up in.

That fella you're talking to is one of the three core developers who created NEM.

Like he said, get on https://forum.nem.io and tell them what you think. Presumably you have some ideas about how to improve things. If you were at the helm what would you do differently? These days they're far more inclined to listen than before.

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NEM blockchain? As far as I know Pundi X is running their PoS devices on Ethereum and NEM blockchain. NEM has some exclusive deal, so NEM devices will only accept NEM and tokens on their blockchain.

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June 06, 2018, 01:43:39 PM
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It's interesting reading about the perception that NEM is kind of aimlessly drifting along, despite the numerous headlines posted to the Telegram news channel and the many videos that come out about NEM's various features almost weekly, some of which are official marketing channels. I wonder if what's lacking is something that ties it all together? Possibly redundant messaging?

I definitely see both sides. The marketing is definitely there... and yet, the feeling that it's not there is very real too. And the price seems to be stuck at 25 cents now no matter what Bitcoin does, which is also interesting.
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I wonder if what's lacking is something that ties it all together?

I think people see what they want to see and ignore the bits that don't fit their narrative. Nemflash is still going and delivers quite a bit. Something like a box on the main website with a news feed would definitely be a boon.

Because the people in charge were largely silent for so long, which isn't the case any more, those outside have developed a mentality of waiting for someone else to come up with something which is understandable.

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Is there a % that you get from staking?

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No. Total crapshoot.

The only guaranteed percentage is running a supernode and that would cost hundreds of thousands of dollars to set up these days.


I guess I'll pass then.

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