NEM (XEM) Official Thread - 100% New Code - Easy To Use APIs

[voidjarhead]

Do you really think Chinese don't know about Vpn's? Cmon guys...
About hacked, stolen & lost accounts, really this is getting boring...i start to think this is just some bs to get some free stakes.
Anyway if You lost your account it's your fault. Devs should focus on more important stuff!

How can somebody get a free stake ? The only way right now is to buy one AE as some have.
Vpns do these reside in the country of origin and used to magically bypass enforcement.

How many fringe routers would it take to control internet access to China. 10000 5000 1000 50 or less than 25 that is a question.

[psybits]

I think this whole discussion is becoming a huge distraction. We will have another discussion with the dev team and try to come up with a plan or a solution regarding the unclaimed stakes problem.

Let's not get carried away and forget that beta and official launch are pretty close now. Both the dev team and marketing team are working to prepare some good stuff for the launch. As for dumps and other stuff, I think people will get a good idea what NEM is all about once we start delivering.

People should have a year to claim their stakes - after that the NEM gets used for something else.

You guys are doing an amazing job. Can't wait to see what's in store xtester!

[dandruff1138]

People should have a year to claim their stakes...

Are you trying to give patmast3r an embolism?   

I even disagree with the guy but am starting to feel bad for him.

[vfilchef]

Dear community,

I would like to point out the following situation:

Some members who have applied to join the New Economic Movement have lost access to their BTT account.

In a few cases, these same people have made contact with the development team with a second (new) account in order to claim their token.

I have come up with a simple system in which these tokens can be reclaimed by the rightful owner without risking the original owner getting scammed.


System:  


The developers assign two types of priorities to the following accounts:


Priority 1 (highest priority): The original (lost) BTT account.

Priority 2 (lowest priority): The new BTT account.



Then, whenever someone claims to have lost access to an account, the developers would have to carefully inspect the case and hand over a so called "temporary token".

If the original owner claims the token from the original account at a later point in time, the developers would have to remove the "temporary token" from the list and blacklist the person who had claimed a "temporary token".

If the original owner is in fact the same person as the one who claimed the "temporary token", the stake has found it's way back to it's owner.

With this simple system, you can help those who are in a bad situation while preventing any scam.



Feedback is welcome!

Your simple system serves thief who made a mirror image of the BTT site and stole many accounts - each ho claim if him account is stolen must prove that the account is stolen by a signed message from NXT or Bitcoin account/address or other acceptable way for developers.

[psybits]

People should have a year to claim their stakes...

Are you trying to give patmast3r an embolism?   

I even disagree with the guy but am starting to feel bad for him.

Well if the process was somehow automated for the next steps, hopefully no one would get an embolism 

It should be much longer than a month or there are going to be some seriously disappointed and angry people in a months time. No one wants that 

[nembit86]

People should have a year to claim their stakes...

Are you trying to give patmast3r an embolism?   

I even disagree with the guy but am starting to feel bad for him.

Well if the process was somehow automated for the next steps, hopefully no one would get an embolism 

It should be much longer than a month or there are going to be some seriously disappointed and angry people in a months time. No one wants that 

The New Economy Movement is on its way , we cant be dilly dallying.....!!!!!!!

[psybits]

People should have a year to claim their stakes...

Are you trying to give patmast3r an embolism?   

I even disagree with the guy but am starting to feel bad for him.

Well if the process was somehow automated for the next steps, hopefully no one would get an embolism 

It should be much longer than a month or there are going to be some seriously disappointed and angry people in a months time. No one wants that 

The New Economy Movement is on its way , we cant be dilly dallying.....!!!!!!!

There are people out there who don't live glued to this forum, and who we are stealing from if we don't give them their share when they decide to check what NEM is up to...

[nembit86]

People should have a year to claim their stakes...

Are you trying to give patmast3r an embolism?   

I even disagree with the guy but am starting to feel bad for him.

Well if the process was somehow automated for the next steps, hopefully no one would get an embolism 

It should be much longer than a month or there are going to be some seriously disappointed and angry people in a months time. No one wants that 

The New Economy Movement is on its way , we cant be dilly dallying.....!!!!!!!

There are people out there who don't live glued to this forum, and who we are stealing from if we don't give them their share when they decide to check what NEM is up to...

' when they decide to check' .... I repeat, we cant dilly dally on our way.......

[psybits]

People should have a year to claim their stakes...

Are you trying to give patmast3r an embolism?   

I even disagree with the guy but am starting to feel bad for him.

Well if the process was somehow automated for the next steps, hopefully no one would get an embolism 

It should be much longer than a month or there are going to be some seriously disappointed and angry people in a months time. No one wants that 

The New Economy Movement is on its way , we cant be dilly dallying.....!!!!!!!

There are people out there who don't live glued to this forum, and who we are stealing from if we don't give them their share when they decide to check what NEM is up to...

' when they decide to check' .... I repeat, we cant dilly dally on our way.......

NEM can still launch fine .. stealing from people who have invested money in NEM is wrong.

[nembit86]

People should have a year to claim their stakes...

Are you trying to give patmast3r an embolism?   

I even disagree with the guy but am starting to feel bad for him.

Well if the process was somehow automated for the next steps, hopefully no one would get an embolism 

It should be much longer than a month or there are going to be some seriously disappointed and angry people in a months time. No one wants that 

The New Economy Movement is on its way , we cant be dilly dallying.....!!!!!!!

There are people out there who don't live glued to this forum, and who we are stealing from if we don't give them their share when they decide to check what NEM is up to...

' when they decide to check' .... I repeat, we cant dilly dally on our way.......

NEM can still launch fine .. stealing from people who have invested money in NEM is wrong.

People have not invested fully till they have registered their stake....they may be entitled to a refund if they provide proof of who they are.

[psybits]

People should have a year to claim their stakes...

Are you trying to give patmast3r an embolism?   

I even disagree with the guy but am starting to feel bad for him.

Well if the process was somehow automated for the next steps, hopefully no one would get an embolism 

It should be much longer than a month or there are going to be some seriously disappointed and angry people in a months time. No one wants that 

The New Economy Movement is on its way , we cant be dilly dallying.....!!!!!!!

There are people out there who don't live glued to this forum, and who we are stealing from if we don't give them their share when they decide to check what NEM is up to...

' when they decide to check' .... I repeat, we cant dilly dally on our way.......

NEM can still launch fine .. stealing from people who have invested money in NEM is wrong.

failing to collect something you have purchased does not equal the merchant stealing. if you place a deposit on an item in a shop, the shop will tell you that you have x days or weeks to pay the full amount or you lose the deposit. i dont see the difference. the people who joined this movement did not purchase coins because it was not an ipo. they payed a registration fee to join this movement so its not theft if they fail to be active and in turn lose the right to membership. this redemption of stakes can be considered more of a redemption of membership. if you fail to redeem your membership you lose the benefits of being a member - in this case it just happens that the perk of being a member is getting some nem.

When people paid to buy a NEM stake I don't remember there being a time limit to claim the stake. It is just my opinion but I think we all need to keep grounded and not lose sight of common sense values (such as if someone pays for something it belongs to them). Otherwise what kind of movement are we really creating?

[nembit86]

People should have a year to claim their stakes...

Are you trying to give patmast3r an embolism?   

I even disagree with the guy but am starting to feel bad for him.

Well if the process was somehow automated for the next steps, hopefully no one would get an embolism 

It should be much longer than a month or there are going to be some seriously disappointed and angry people in a months time. No one wants that 

The New Economy Movement is on its way , we cant be dilly dallying.....!!!!!!!

There are people out there who don't live glued to this forum, and who we are stealing from if we don't give them their share when they decide to check what NEM is up to...

' when they decide to check' .... I repeat, we cant dilly dally on our way.......

NEM can still launch fine .. stealing from people who have invested money in NEM is wrong.

failing to collect something you have purchased does not equal the merchant stealing. if you place a deposit on an item in a shop, the shop will tell you that you have x days or weeks to pay the full amount or you lose the deposit. i dont see the difference. the people who joined this movement did not purchase coins because it was not an ipo. they payed a registration fee to join this movement so its not theft if they fail to be active and in turn lose the right to membership. this redemption of stakes can be considered more of a redemption of membership. if you fail to redeem your membership you lose the benefits of being a member - in this case it just happens that the perk of being a member is getting some nem.

When people paid to buy a NEM stake I don't remember there being a time limit to claim the stake. It is just my opinion but I think we all need to keep grounded and not lose sight of common sense values (such as if someone pays for something it belongs to them). Otherwise what kind of movement are we really creating?

It was very much established from the outset that this was a call for participation in the Movement. If you dont participate you lose your membership .

[Eadeqa]

When people paid to buy a NEM stake I don't remember there being a time limit to claim the stake. It is just my opinion but I think we all need to keep grounded and not lose sight of common sense values (such as if someone pays for something it belongs to them). Otherwise what kind of movement are we really creating?

You keep ignoring the fact that leaving 100s of stakes open forever means that there is good chance someone with access to BTT server will have power to steal these stakes and kill/crash nem completely. How is that crypto?  The fate of unclaimed stakes must be decided before the distribution.

[psybits]

When people paid to buy a NEM stake I don't remember there being a time limit to claim the stake. It is just my opinion but I think we all need to keep grounded and not lose sight of common sense values (such as if someone pays for something it belongs to them). Otherwise what kind of movement are we really creating?

You keep ignoring the fact that leaving 100s of stakes open forever means that there is good chance someone with access to BTT server will have power to steal these stakes and kill/crash nem completely. How is that crypto?  The fate of unclaimed stakes must be decided before the distribution.

That is the first good argument I have heard for having a time limit on claiming the stakes. One month is still too short we need to give people more time ...

EDIT: Although I don't think there is a good chance that would happen.

[dandruff1138]

When people paid to buy a NEM stake I don't remember there being a time limit to claim the stake. It is just my opinion but I think we all need to keep grounded and not lose sight of common sense values (such as if someone pays for something it belongs to them). Otherwise what kind of movement are we really creating?

You keep ignoring the fact that leaving 100s of stakes open forever means that there is good chance someone with access to BTT server will have power to steal these stakes and kill/crash nem completely. How is that crypto?  The fate of unclaimed stakes must be decided before the distribution.

That is the first good argument I have heard for having a time limit on claiming the stakes. One month is still too short we need to give people more time ...

EDIT: Although I don't think there is a good chance that would happen.

They said they would offer a refund.

[Eadeqa]

When people paid to buy a NEM stake I don't remember there being a time limit to claim the stake. It is just my opinion but I think we all need to keep grounded and not lose sight of common sense values (such as if someone pays for something it belongs to them). Otherwise what kind of movement are we really creating?

You keep ignoring the fact that leaving 100s of stakes open forever means that there is good chance someone with access to BTT server will have power to steal these stakes and kill/crash nem completely. How is that crypto?  The fate of unclaimed stakes must be decided before the distribution.

That is the first good argument I have heard for having a time limit on claiming the stakes. One month is still too short we need to give people more time ...

EDIT: Although I don't think there is a good chance that would happen.

Why don't you think there is a not good chance that will happen? All BTT messages are archived on some hard drive. The BTT owner can already do that, so can everyone with access to that machine, not just now but someday in future one or two year from now.   How are you putting the entire fate of nem in the hands of people you don't know? Why the heck anyone should buy nem when it's fate  is totally insecure with future influx of "billion" nem from unknown people?

I don't care how long you want that wait to continue. Nem should not launch until this issue is settled.

[psybits]

When people paid to buy a NEM stake I don't remember there being a time limit to claim the stake. It is just my opinion but I think we all need to keep grounded and not lose sight of common sense values (such as if someone pays for something it belongs to them). Otherwise what kind of movement are we really creating?

You keep ignoring the fact that leaving 100s of stakes open forever means that there is good chance someone with access to BTT server will have power to steal these stakes and kill/crash nem completely. How is that crypto?  The fate of unclaimed stakes must be decided before the distribution.

That is the first good argument I have heard for having a time limit on claiming the stakes. One month is still too short we need to give people more time ...

EDIT: Although I don't think there is a good chance that would happen.

They said they would offer a refund.

Well that's something, but I'm really surprised at how most people here don't seem to care about those people who may miss the launch of NEM for some reason, and decide to check in later to find out it was all for nothing ... Seems more like how a bank operates lol.

[Eadeqa]

Well that's something, but I'm really surprised at how most people here don't seem to care about those people who may miss the launch of NEM for some reason, and decide to check in later to find out it was all for nothing ... Seems more like how a bank operates lol.

If you are that worried, even though they have a month of emails and warning, then lets delay the launch to December.

We cannot and should not launch a coin with potential theft of billion coins after the launch.

[psybits]

When people paid to buy a NEM stake I don't remember there being a time limit to claim the stake. It is just my opinion but I think we all need to keep grounded and not lose sight of common sense values (such as if someone pays for something it belongs to them). Otherwise what kind of movement are we really creating?

You keep ignoring the fact that leaving 100s of stakes open forever means that there is good chance someone with access to BTT server will have power to steal these stakes and kill/crash nem completely. How is that crypto?  The fate of unclaimed stakes must be decided before the distribution.

That is the first good argument I have heard for having a time limit on claiming the stakes. One month is still too short we need to give people more time ...

EDIT: Although I don't think there is a good chance that would happen.

Why don't you think there is a not good chance that will happen? All BTT messages are archived on some hard drive. The BTT owner can already do that, so can everyone with access to that machine, not just now but someday in future one or two year from now.   How are you putting the entire fate of nem in the hands of people you don't know? Why the heck anyone should buy nem when it's fate  is totally insecure with future influx of "billion" nem from unknown people?

I don't care how long you want that wait to continue. Nem should not launch until this issue is settled.

I agree a decision needs to be made.

[psybits]

Well that's something, but I'm really surprised at how most people here don't seem to care about those people who may miss the launch of NEM for some reason, and decide to check in later to find out it was all for nothing ... Seems more like how a bank operates lol.

If you are that worried, even though they have a month of emails and warning, then lets delay the launch to December.

We cannot and should not launch a coin with potential theft of billion coins after the launch.

No we can launch and people can claim stakes after launch. Just my opinion.

I don't want to be here in the shitstorm in a months time, when NEM is accused of scamming, people are really, really angry when, if instead they could claim their stake they would be valuable members of NEM community