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October 20, 2014, 09:21:41 AM |
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Will NEM have an Asset Exchange like NXT?
I can't wait to buy some Assets.
Yes but not at launch. Hopefully it will be implemented within Q1 2k15 |
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KLONE::Vader
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October 20, 2014, 09:51:46 AM |
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Sounds like a good idea! But how is it to "lose" 200 stakes? Is it worth it?
You dont change the total cap. The remaining 3800 stakes are just worth more by burning 200. |
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Mickeyb
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October 20, 2014, 10:01:07 AM |
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These two polls are more polling-sampling than an actual vote. If we wanted an official vote then it would had been like the logo vote, sending a private message and it being recorded on a public list. Probably a single transferable vote like the Australian and Irish elections, due to the amount of options there can be.
I think it's too late to attempt something like this, given Beta is days off. As well the poll only indicates marginal majority support for 8 billion.
I don't know if this has to be put to an official vote. It seems like a lot of work for what could be a trivial detail. So if it means we can avoid a long troublesome vote then I withdraw my support for 8 billion or any drastic scaling.
The best solution here is probably what we discussed prior to this superstition stuff and one that can't be rounded up to 4 billion.
We do know there is going to be 700-800 unclaimed stakes at this rate. If we are concerned about people rounding up then the solution is simple: 3.8 billion coins. Nobody rounds 3.8 up to 4. They will round up 3.9 or 3.99, but not 3.8.
3.8. also makes the superstitious people happy as 3 is an important number in both the west (Holy Trinity) and Asia (in Asia it means alive or birth) and 8 is a very important number in China. so the 3 + 8 together could mean "the beginning of a prosperous new economy movement".
So it seems simple that you could burn 200 stakes, which would make every NEMholder wealthier through deflation, and the remaining unclaimed stakes (as per the newsletter #6) can be put in that investment fund if that is what ends up happening.
This is by far the best solution! If 200 stakes are to much, we can burn 112 and in that way get a 3,88 B cap!  |
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Mickeyb
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October 20, 2014, 10:02:15 AM |
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I asked this before, receiving no response. When is the initial NEM stake redemption deadline?
If I am wrong, somebody correct me! But I think it is about 17 more days to claim NEMstake. |
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rockethead
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October 20, 2014, 10:16:53 AM |
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Some minor changes have been added to the newsletter. Did anyone read this ? This thread was filled with the discussion regarding a longer redemption period for a week and now an announcement regarding that doesn't even spark any reaction ? Let me post the direct link then: https://medium.com/@xtester/extended-redemption-period-d6e7ceaf3a53that's shocking.. Soo many people kicked up a stink over the unclaimed and now that a solution is put into practice by the devs.. No one can even say thank you... Demented community?  I think they are more interested in seeing the trees in front than the forest. :-) |
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October 20, 2014, 10:18:13 AM |
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Some minor changes have been added to the newsletter. Did anyone read this ? This thread was filled with the discussion regarding a longer redemption period for a week and now an announcement regarding that doesn't even spark any reaction ? Let me post the direct link then: https://medium.com/@xtester/extended-redemption-period-d6e7ceaf3a53that's shocking.. Soo many people kicked up a stink over the unclaimed and now that a solution is put into practice by the devs.. No one can even say thank you... Thats because you're catering to a minority, and catering to minorities is only wasting your time and effort in the long term. By all means help them, but don't bend over backwards to do so. Set ground rules and stick with it, otherwise you're only creating a bad image for yourself. Nonetheless, i'm glad to see the extended period wasn't by many weeks or even months as what some people were crying for. |
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lyka
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October 20, 2014, 10:19:20 AM |
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In China 4 - Death
In the Gnostic (European, esoteric) tradition, this figure is 11.
Set of 3 and 8 give 11.
From what had gone, there are.
3 and 9 - much better...
or any amount which gives 3; 6; 9
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October 20, 2014, 10:23:08 AM
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I closed the first poll as a three way poll isn't that accurate, especially when the first two options were similar enough. The 100 billion option could be polled on but is anyone actually enthusiastic about it? As well wasn't the point behind this other people's superstition? The number 8 is an important number in East Asia. I'm not sure if the number 10 is considered good anywhere. I think two options are good enough, but what if someone doesn't want a change? 1st poll is (A) 4 billion (B) 3,888,888,888 (C) 8 billion 2nd poll is (A) 3,990,000,000(4 billion) (B) 8,000,000,000(8 billion) In 1st poll, We have only to read the result as {(A)+(B)} vs (C). If 1st poll is closed, surely somebody will say "Why there is not the choice of 3,888.......?" EDIT/ In fact, the ideal poll is (A)4 billion(including 3,999..... and 3,88.....) vs (B) 8 billion. And if (A) is the winner, then poll again (a) 4 billion (b) 3,999..... (c) 3,888.... WOW. So Poll, Much Vote  I think a first pole should be "Do we change the number of units? Yes or No" If people say no, it is over. If people say yes, then we work on the number to change it too. You are somewhat right. The issue started not from "Shall we change the amount of NEM or not?", but from "How about changing the amount of NEM into 8 billion?" So, the poll proceeded like present. I personally regard these polls as an opinion survey of NEM members, and believe our creative and open minded dev/marketing team will make a wise decision/action considering the result of polls. |
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mattadc
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October 20, 2014, 10:25:22 AM |
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These two polls are more polling-sampling than an actual vote. If we wanted an official vote then it would had been like the logo vote, sending a private message and it being recorded on a public list. Probably a single transferable vote like the Australian and Irish elections, due to the amount of options there can be.
I think it's too late to attempt something like this, given Beta is days off. As well the poll only indicates marginal majority support for 8 billion.
I don't know if this has to be put to an official vote. It seems like a lot of work for what could be a trivial detail. So if it means we can avoid a long troublesome vote then I withdraw my support for 8 billion or any drastic scaling.
The best solution here is probably what we discussed prior to this superstition stuff and one that can't be rounded up to 4 billion.
We do know there is going to be 700-800 unclaimed stakes at this rate. If we are concerned about people rounding up then the solution is simple: 3.8 billion coins. Nobody rounds 3.8 up to 4. They will round up 3.9 or 3.99, but not 3.8.
3.8. also makes the superstitious people happy as 3 is an important number in both the west (Holy Trinity) and Asia (in Asia it means alive or birth) and 8 is a very important number in China. so the 3 + 8 together could mean "the beginning of a prosperous new economy movement".
So it seems simple that you could burn 200 stakes, which would make every NEMholder wealthier through deflation, and the remaining unclaimed stakes (as per the newsletter #6) can be put in that investment fund if that is what ends up happening.
Maybe 3.8 is the Destiny of NEM http://www.destinythegame.com/uk/enNote the logo  |
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lyka
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October 20, 2014, 10:27:39 AM |
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it is 11 ...
remember the twin towers ...
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nembit86
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October 20, 2014, 10:29:02 AM |
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Just thinkin...maybe we should do as some suggested and burn only one coin.
3 999 999 999
and show this number everywhere instead of 4 B.
Why? Well everyones Granny and her dog is going to ask why it wasnt 4billion exactly.
And we can tell them the reason.
There just doesnt seem to be a clear majority wanting 8 billion which I think was the best idea.
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Scharfenberger
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October 20, 2014, 10:37:15 AM |
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Just thinkin...maybe we should do as some suggested and burn only one coin.
3 999 999 999
and show this number everywhere instead of 4 B.
Why? Well everyones Granny and her dog is going to ask why it wasnt 4billion exactly.
And we can tell them the reason.
There just doesnt seem to be a clear majority wanting 8 billion which I think was the best idea.
I really like to stay close to the original 4B. 3.999.999.999 seems to be the best solution. |
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Scharfenberger
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October 20, 2014, 10:39:39 AM |
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Some minor changes have been added to the newsletter. Did anyone read this ? This thread was filled with the discussion regarding a longer redemption period for a week and now an announcement regarding that doesn't even spark any reaction ? Let me post the direct link then: https://medium.com/@xtester/extended-redemption-period-d6e7ceaf3a53that's shocking.. Soo many people kicked up a stink over the unclaimed and now that a solution is put into practice by the devs.. No one can even say thank you... It's not shocking. In my op it is the best possibility to handle the unclaimed ones. |
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patmast3r
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October 20, 2014, 10:59:46 AM |
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Some minor changes have been added to the newsletter. Did anyone read this ? This thread was filled with the discussion regarding a longer redemption period for a week and now an announcement regarding that doesn't even spark any reaction ? Let me post the direct link then: https://medium.com/@xtester/extended-redemption-period-d6e7ceaf3a53that's shocking.. Soo many people kicked up a stink over the unclaimed and now that a solution is put into practice by the devs.. No one can even say thank you... It's not shocking. In my op it is the best possibility to handle the unclaimed ones. This doesn't have anything todo with how to handle the unclaimed stakes. |
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patmast3r
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October 20, 2014, 11:01:30 AM |
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Some minor changes have been added to the newsletter. Did anyone read this ? This thread was filled with the discussion regarding a longer redemption period for a week and now an announcement regarding that doesn't even spark any reaction ? Let me post the direct link then: https://medium.com/@xtester/extended-redemption-period-d6e7ceaf3a53that's shocking.. Soo many people kicked up a stink over the unclaimed and now that a solution is put into practice by the devs.. No one can even say thank you... Demented community? I think they are more interested in seeing the trees in front than the forest. :-) It certainly brings up the question why the team should give a fuck about what is being discussed here. It probably will end up being the same when the total supply is changed. First everyone makes a huge fuzz and then noone cares. Frustrating as fuck. |
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dadingsda
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October 20, 2014, 11:05:48 AM |
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Some minor changes have been added to the newsletter. Did anyone read this ? This thread was filled with the discussion regarding a longer redemption period for a week and now an announcement regarding that doesn't even spark any reaction ? Let me post the direct link then: https://medium.com/@xtester/extended-redemption-period-d6e7ceaf3a53that's shocking.. Soo many people kicked up a stink over the unclaimed and now that a solution is put into practice by the devs.. No one can even say thank you... It's not shocking. In my op it is the best possibility to handle the unclaimed ones. Burn the unclaimed! Less coins to dev = more effort Best companies are often with small budget - that´s why the product have to be good. I know a project where the dev owns only a small amount, because he´s doing it for the "reputation" or better said because he´s living his life dream and not for the money.... He always says : I don´t care about the profit, more the project! If NEM is such a big thing dev´s are still millionairs. Why do they need more money? |
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BloodyRookie
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October 20, 2014, 11:16:08 AM |
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If NEM is such a big thing dev´s are still millionairs. Why do they need more money?
If there are unclaimed stakes they do not go into the pockets of the dev team. |
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nembit86
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October 20, 2014, 11:18:14 AM |
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Some minor changes have been added to the newsletter. Did anyone read this ? This thread was filled with the discussion regarding a longer redemption period for a week and now an announcement regarding that doesn't even spark any reaction ? Let me post the direct link then: https://medium.com/@xtester/extended-redemption-period-d6e7ceaf3a53that's shocking.. Soo many people kicked up a stink over the unclaimed and now that a solution is put into practice by the devs.. No one can even say thank you... Demented community? I think they are more interested in seeing the trees in front than the forest. :-) It certainly brings up the question why the team should give a fuck about what is being discussed here. It probably will end up being the same when the total supply is changed. First everyone makes a huge fuzz and then noone cares. Frustrating as fuck. It was only a handful of guys wanting longer redemption period and they wanted more than was offered so theres not going to be thanks given. I thought what was given was too generous. |
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October 20, 2014, 11:18:57 AM |
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Just destroy the unclaimed stakes, have them go to a provably unspendable account right at Genesis block. That automatically raises the value of all other coins.
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