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September 26, 2014, 07:56:23 AM |
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I tryed reading the whitepaper, although I didn't read it to the end. Do I understand right, that basically the idea is safely sending privkeys to transaction recipient?
You can broadly think of it that way, though with various extra safeguards. If you use an address that has never been used before, and there is no way of tracking you outside the blockchain (which is incredibly easy in many cases) then the transaction cannot be traced to you. Think of it like playing pass the parcel in the dark, except you and the recipient are wearing infrared goggles.I love this analogy Cassius!! It's original and it made me smile seeing the mental picture You'll appreciate from James' response that it's a little more complicated than that. But this is the 'GUI stuff' version
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PhilipMorris
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September 26, 2014, 09:17:55 AM |
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The market on Bittrex is not reflecting the latest developments I see
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stdset
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September 26, 2014, 10:18:26 AM |
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the blockchain is used to verify the funds before crediting the sender
Alice wants to buy something from Bob and Jack, but has enough money only for one purchase, not both. Nonetheless she sends her privkeys to them both, they verify that funds indeed belong to the privkey, and send her the purchases. After waiting reasonable amount of time, so that the purchases already sent, Alice performs regular onchain transaction sending the funds to herself. Please read the whole whitepaper or check the post made before in this Thread. People already asked this question the whole time without taking their time to investigate them self. You want to learn something ? Spend some time, we won't do the thinking for you. All I see relates to sofisticated routing, onion layers, telepod fragmenting, etc. I ask simple question however. If you know a post where it's answered, please point to that post.
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September 26, 2014, 10:46:38 AM |
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the blockchain is used to verify the funds before crediting the sender
Alice wants to buy something from Bob and Jack, but has enough money only for one purchase, not both. Nonetheless she sends her privkeys to them both, they verify that funds indeed belong to the privkey, and send her the purchases. After waiting reasonable amount of time, so that the purchases already sent, Alice performs regular onchain transaction sending the funds to herself. Bob sweeps the funds into a new account (on blockchain). Jack or Alice can no longer spend them.
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cloudboy
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September 26, 2014, 01:26:20 PM |
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Price dropping on Bittrex? People haven't been reading the forum the past couple of days! Good, I'm still buying
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l8orre
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September 26, 2014, 02:50:46 PM |
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Ok so I am partially successful in building bitcoindark.
I did manange to build Bitcoindark-qt and it is running nicely. I also got 0.0005 or so from a faucet, so it appears to running correctly.
Now I am a bit insecure because I can not find any wallet encryption. Since I rarely use bitcoin (NXT rulez!), I vaguely remember that tehre was s.t. about that.
Was that omitted in BTCD on purpose or did my build go wrong somehow and the encryption got dropped out?
Also, I do NOT get the headless testserver to build- and usually it is the gui stuff that is more bitchy than the server stuff:
notary@notty:~/workbench/Blockchains/bitcoindark/doc$ cd ../src/ notary@notty:~/workbench/Blockchains/bitcoindark/src$ make -f makefile.unix g++ -c -O2 -pthread -Wall -Wextra -Wno-ignored-qualifiers -Wformat -Wformat-security -Wno-unused-parameter -g -DBOOST_SPIRIT_THREADSAFE -I/home/azure/workbench/Blockchains/bitcoindark/src -I/home/azure/workbench/Blockchains/bitcoindark/src/obj -DUSE_UPNP=0 -I/home/azure/workbench/Blockchains/bitcoindark/src/leveldb/include -I/home/azure/workbench/Blockchains/bitcoindark/src/leveldb/helpers -DHAVE_BUILD_INFO -fno-stack-protector -fstack-protector-all -Wstack-protector -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -MMD -MF obj/alert.d -o obj/alert.o alert.cpp alert.cpp:273:1: fatal error: opening dependency file obj/alert.d: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden } ^ compilation terminated. make: *** [obj/alert.o] Fehler 1
Anyone got any hints for me? Thanks!
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September 26, 2014, 02:57:12 PM |
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Ok so I am partially successful in building bitcoindark.
I did manange to build Bitcoindark-qt and it is running nicely. I also got 0.0005 or so from a faucet, so it appears to running correctly.
Now I am a bit insecure because I can not find any wallet encryption. Since I rarely use bitcoin (NXT rulez!), I vaguely remember that tehre was s.t. about that.
Was that omitted in BTCD on purpose or did my build go wrong somehow and the encryption got dropped out?
Also, I do NOT get the headless testserver to build- and usually it is the gui stuff that is more bitchy than the server stuff:
notary@notty:~/workbench/Blockchains/bitcoindark/doc$ cd ../src/ notary@notty:~/workbench/Blockchains/bitcoindark/src$ make -f makefile.unix g++ -c -O2 -pthread -Wall -Wextra -Wno-ignored-qualifiers -Wformat -Wformat-security -Wno-unused-parameter -g -DBOOST_SPIRIT_THREADSAFE -I/home/azure/workbench/Blockchains/bitcoindark/src -I/home/azure/workbench/Blockchains/bitcoindark/src/obj -DUSE_UPNP=0 -I/home/azure/workbench/Blockchains/bitcoindark/src/leveldb/include -I/home/azure/workbench/Blockchains/bitcoindark/src/leveldb/helpers -DHAVE_BUILD_INFO -fno-stack-protector -fstack-protector-all -Wstack-protector -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -MMD -MF obj/alert.d -o obj/alert.o alert.cpp alert.cpp:273:1: fatal error: opening dependency file obj/alert.d: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden } ^ compilation terminated. make: *** [obj/alert.o] Fehler 1
Anyone got any hints for me? Thanks!
Are you building from the laowais repo? Or the dev repo? If the laowais: Matthew
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l8orre
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September 26, 2014, 03:01:08 PM Last edit: September 26, 2014, 03:23:29 PM by l8orre |
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yep - the laowais repo. I'll try, thanks!
edit- that did it! I have a nice BitcoinDarkd running now.
the mkdir obj obj/zerocoin is supposed to be done in /src
It seems I missed out on the 'strip symbles' somehow, I have an executable of ~58MB, whereas the qt as 8MB. Now I want to try to talk to it via rpc- I know how to do that from bitcoin, so I'll start tweaking the ./BitcoinDark/conf
Thanks again!
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September 26, 2014, 03:49:37 PM |
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I do own some BTCD, Am I then one of the stakeholders? I am still fuzzy on the details.
Jim
As long as you keep the wallet open and unlock to stake then you are one of the stakeholders. The point is to keep the network as secure as possible and only people staking can make that happen. Along with gaining more BTCD, the dividend is pretty much an incentive since so much of SuperNET will be riding on BTCD. There is also mention of checking how long each user stakes to determine fairness of dividend so that opening the wallet once a month for a few hours doesn't gain the same benefit as someone that always keeps theirs' open. Basically, you are rewarded twice over for keeping the wallet open and staking. NICE... However it says the dividends will be paid to an associated nxt addy? how does that work. you pick a public BTCD address to use. It doesnt have to have much BTCD in it. The software will automatically map this address to a NXT address (using its privkey), then it will make a NXT alias so that you can use the same public BTCD address even inside NXT James James, Thank you much for answering. My only question left is: How do I 'pick a public BTCD address to use'? And I assume I want to use the addy that holds all my btcd.
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September 26, 2014, 04:28:27 PM |
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Does anyone on here like LTCD? LTCD is a shitcoin.
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September 26, 2014, 04:36:46 PM |
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Why does it already have over 200pages and has been growing much faster than BTCD. I did come on here to fight. I like BTCD, I think they can work well together.
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Bitinvestor
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September 26, 2014, 04:46:39 PM |
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Why does it already have over 200pages and has been growing much faster than BTCD. I did come on here to fight. I like BTCD, I think they can work well together. LTCD has nothing to do with BTCD apart from the name. Go away.
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September 26, 2014, 04:46:48 PM |
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Why does it already have over 200pages and has been growing much faster than BTCD. I did come on here to fight. I like BTCD, I think they can work well together. I took a look when they first launched and labeled it a BTCD wannabe. But in the spirit of Unity I guess it wouldn't hurt to take a second look see JJ
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September 26, 2014, 04:49:28 PM |
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the blockchain is used to verify the funds before crediting the sender
Alice wants to buy something from Bob and Jack, but has enough money only for one purchase, not both. Nonetheless she sends her privkeys to them both, they verify that funds indeed belong to the privkey, and send her the purchases. After waiting reasonable amount of time, so that the purchases already sent, Alice performs regular onchain transaction sending the funds to herself. Not correct. They both spend the funds, but only one of them succeeds as it has been seen that the blockchain does in fact prevent double spends. So, one of the vendors is happy and sends the goods for the purchase. the other is angry and blacklisting Alice and certainly not sending anything to her. Alice cant send any funds as one of the vendors already has it James
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September 26, 2014, 04:52:24 PM |
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I do own some BTCD, Am I then one of the stakeholders? I am still fuzzy on the details.
Jim
As long as you keep the wallet open and unlock to stake then you are one of the stakeholders. The point is to keep the network as secure as possible and only people staking can make that happen. Along with gaining more BTCD, the dividend is pretty much an incentive since so much of SuperNET will be riding on BTCD. There is also mention of checking how long each user stakes to determine fairness of dividend so that opening the wallet once a month for a few hours doesn't gain the same benefit as someone that always keeps theirs' open. Basically, you are rewarded twice over for keeping the wallet open and staking. NICE... However it says the dividends will be paid to an associated nxt addy? how does that work. you pick a public BTCD address to use. It doesnt have to have much BTCD in it. The software will automatically map this address to a NXT address (using its privkey), then it will make a NXT alias so that you can use the same public BTCD address even inside NXT James James, Thank you much for answering. My only question left is: How do I 'pick a public BTCD address to use'? And I assume I want to use the addy that holds all my btcd. unless you want to impress girls, the public address should probably have a minimal amount of btcd. now you can still impress the girls by showing your big acct in private edit: just make a new address and it is your public address, or you can just use the address you have already been using. I am just nervous to publish accts with any big amounts in them
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September 26, 2014, 05:12:40 PM |
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James, can you tell us your oppinion on NHZ and it's possible SuperNET future?
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cloudboy
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September 26, 2014, 05:47:37 PM |
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now you can still impress the girls by showing your big acct in private I've shown girls my BTCD account in private, they are only impressed by US Dollars
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jl777
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September 26, 2014, 06:21:19 PM |
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now you can still impress the girls by showing your big acct in private I've shown girls my BTCD account in private, they are only impressed by US Dollars maybe this will help? 10 BitcoinDark $ 6,232,584 $ 5.26 just tell them each one is worth a bit more than a $5 USD note
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jl777
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September 26, 2014, 08:23:15 PM |
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over half a dozen people have successfully built the test BitcoinDarkd and now we have about a dozen nodes in the network for me to test with.
So, this is a good step forward as it means the code is not specific to my dev environment and other than some onetime build issues, things seem to be pretty smooth
James
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September 26, 2014, 08:49:11 PM |
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errmm.. now here is a real newb Windo$e question: I have made a build of Bitcoindark-qt, but I seem to be unable to access the File and Settings functions. I would expect them to be the same as in bitcoin. Did my build screw up the drop down menus with the access to the wallet file functions? Or is Bitcoind-qt not supposed to have these? BitcoinDarkd accessed with RPC should have them, but can anyone give me a hint just to be sure? as opposed to: Thanks!
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