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[Slark]

i cant stomach haswank.org the stale smell of arse sweat and shit in the air makes me seak,
fucking cults the lot of them

If your posts on hashtalk were written in that manner then it is really no wonder that they banned you. "You were nice" Who are you kidding? You are angry, offensive and unpleasant to others. Be more civil when you interact with other people in the future.

[alienesb]

I think maybe you were a tad offensive but that's ok, you don't really want to be there anyway.

[corsaro]

http://cloud.zenminer.com

[alienesb]

http://cloud.zenminer.com

I'm in it right now.

[corsaro]

http://cloud.zenminer.com

I'm in it right now.

OK, now works

But I was unable to withdraw BTC

[Flep182]

I've just pulled out over four BTC. Had earned enough HP's to get two Genesis hashlets. Who are up for sale now

[1echo]

i do have hashlets but i mreally scared one day GAW runs with my money

[KC6TTR]

Scott use this for the platform, it will seem familiar and the community version is free.

https://nodebb.org/
https://community.nodebb.org/

You know for all the dissenters it will be like home from home, but with out shadow bans and koolaid and brown tongues.

It could be the "half-way house" back to reality! Haa....

I thought about it, but my view of that platform is not great. It is expensive for what it is and appears to be a memory hog on the host. I am not sure how many people will join the new site and my focus is keeping it simple and on-point yet fast and reliable. The MyBB platform facilitates this, is open source, can be scaled and doesn't suck up any monthly fees. <-- which is nice since there is not much to go around after GAW/Zen takes their cut every day. :-(

Case-in point from yesterday -



Payouts fall.... compounded by fluctuating BTC exchange rates.... compounded by always being charged for a commodity (BTC) in the form of converted FIAT (USD) = They win; you lose - since they are guaranteed daily minimums and it is up to the customer to sacrifice more to meet those minimums. When the facilitator of the investment makes more than the investor, that investment become more of a liability than an asset in my opinion.

Scott

[coinGeek]

Payouts fall.... compounded by fluctuating BTC exchange rates.... compounded by always being charged for a commodity (BTC) in the form of converted FIAT (USD) = They win; you lose - since they are guaranteed daily minimums and it is up to the customer to sacrifice more to meet those minimums. When the facilitator of the investment makes more than the investor, that investment become more of a liability than an asset in my opinion.

Scott

10-4 on that KC6TTR  

In fact, my payout today was less than my service charge. Anyone else see that?

EDIT: I bought and sold some things in the market in the last two days so I'll wait until tomorrow to see if it settles down. The fact remains though, my service charge for today is bigger than my payout.

[alienesb]

So I've been diversifying lately and picked up some hash at hashprofit. Not the best price straight up but with the frequent discount codes it puts ROI in the 5 month range. Anyway, I'm posting this here because of the vast differences in how they do things, it's just way more professional than GAW. One example, they actually send emails when the site is down! An email to the addy on record, imagine that! Genius! Why can't GAW even manage something this simple?

[NuShrike]

In fact, my payout today was less than my service charge. Anyone else see that?

My approximate payout today is 0.00021467 BTC / MHs (after costs).  I'm would be doing much much better on equivalent MH G-Blades and my own coin pick, or even just Multipool.

[cma3]

In fact, my payout today was less than my service charge. Anyone else see that?

My approximate payout today is 0.00021467 BTC / MHs (after costs).  I'm would be doing much much better on equivalent MH G-Blades and my own coin pick, or even just Multipool.

What are you guys doing to achieve negative payouts? Are these Non-Zen pool solos?

Even on my worse day, this has not happened to me. I do not own any non-Zens.

Note: two things to consider: 1) i am not heavily invested 2)I am not defending GAW -- this is a legitimate question.

[corsaro]

Payouts fall.... compounded by fluctuating BTC exchange rates.... compounded by always being charged for a commodity (BTC) in the form of converted FIAT (USD) = They win; you lose - since they are guaranteed daily minimums and it is up to the customer to sacrifice more to meet those minimums. When the facilitator of the investment makes more than the investor, that investment become more of a liability than an asset in my opinion.

Scott

10-4 on that KC6TTR  

In fact, my payout today was less than my service charge. Anyone else see that?

EDIT: I bought and sold some things in the market in the last two days so I'll wait until tomorrow to see if it settles down. The fact remains though, my service charge for today is bigger than my payout.

mine too... more fees then payout

[suchmoon]

In fact, my payout today was less than my service charge. Anyone else see that?

My approximate payout today is 0.00021467 BTC / MHs (after costs).  I'm would be doing much much better on equivalent MH G-Blades and my own coin pick, or even just Multipool.

What are you guys doing to achieve negative payouts? Are these Non-Zen pool solos?

Even on my worse day, this has not happened to me. I do not own any non-Zens.

Note: two things to consider: 1) i am not heavily invested 2)I am not defending GAW -- this is a legitimate question.

You don't have to do anything special. 0.08 USD at today's rate is roughly 21k satoshis. Lowest paying hashlet today is Multi (0.00024778 BTC), barely above the fee. Hashlets have variance so it's quite possible to go negative.

Edit: I also think that when you merge/split/buy/sell the fees and the payouts are not applied consistently. Sometimes you get the whole day's fee and fractional payouts, sometimes it's the other way round.

[Tripjammer]

I am still avg about .04 per day after costs with about 135 mh/s with mostly zenhashlets....but it was .06-.07 just last Friday...

LTCgear is the way to go right now...are they holding up in payouts?

[coinGeek]

In fact, my payout today was less than my service charge. Anyone else see that?

My approximate payout today is 0.00021467 BTC / MHs (after costs).  I'm would be doing much much better on equivalent MH G-Blades and my own coin pick, or even just Multipool.

What are you guys doing to achieve negative payouts? Are these Non-Zen pool solos?

Even on my worse day, this has not happened to me. I do not own any non-Zens.

Note: two things to consider: 1) i am not heavily invested 2)I am not defending GAW -- this is a legitimate question.

I have just a few multi and waffle solo's left and today I had negative returns. But as sushmoon points out it's probably partly due to buy and sell activity.

[cma3]

In fact, my payout today was less than my service charge. Anyone else see that?

My approximate payout today is 0.00021467 BTC / MHs (after costs).  I'm would be doing much much better on equivalent MH G-Blades and my own coin pick, or even just Multipool.

What are you guys doing to achieve negative payouts? Are these Non-Zen pool solos?

Even on my worse day, this has not happened to me. I do not own any non-Zens.

Note: two things to consider: 1) i am not heavily invested 2)I am not defending GAW -- this is a legitimate question.

I have just a few multi and waffle solo's left and today I had negative returns. But as sushmoon points out it's probably partly due to buy and sell activity.

ahh ok. just as suspected. thanks for the info.

[cma3]

I am still avg about .04 per day after costs with about 135 mh/s with mostly zenhashlets....but it was .06-.07 just last Friday...

LTCgear is the way to go right now...are they holding up in payouts?

I considered LTCGear how are their lower end offerings doing? (ie: FarmShare, ASIC share,Mod M1s)

I dont want to hijack this thread. But it seems that the general consensus, even on Hashtalk, is that LTCGear (which, strangely enough is allowed to live on HT) is the go to place for diversification alongside of GAW.  

[alienesb]

I am still avg about .04 per day after costs with about 135 mh/s with mostly zenhashlets....but it was .06-.07 just last Friday...

LTCgear is the way to go right now...are they holding up in payouts?

I considered LTCGear how are their lower end offerings doing? (ie: FarmShare, ASIC share,Mod M1s)

I dont want to hijack this thread. But it seems that the general consensus, even on Hashtalk, is that LTCGear (which, strangely enough is allowed to live on HT) is the go to place for diversification alongside of GAW.  

LTCG is amazing but there are a lot of unknowns just like GAW. Pretty much all of these cloud services should be taken as gambles, some are less so than others. Because of the payout at LTCG I'd put them as a higher risk investment than GAW but I'd put GAW as higher than say Genesis because the latter is more transparent especially when it comes to showing the actual hardware.

Spread your risk accordingly.

[KC6TTR]

In fact, my payout today was less than my service charge. Anyone else see that?

My approximate payout today is 0.00021467 BTC / MHs (after costs).  I'm would be doing much much better on equivalent MH G-Blades and my own coin pick, or even just Multipool.

What are you guys doing to achieve negative payouts? Are these Non-Zen pool solos?

Even on my worse day, this has not happened to me. I do not own any non-Zens.

Note: two things to consider: 1) i am not heavily invested 2)I am not defending GAW -- this is a legitimate question.

I have just a few multi and waffle solo's left and today I had negative returns. But as sushmoon points out it's probably partly due to buy and sell activity.

ahh ok. just as suspected. thanks for the info.

Here is my Excel spreadsheet I use to generate what my minimums should be regarding payout vs. fees. I have not bought or sold anything in a while now so unfortunately the Zens are not looking good since the pool crashed a few day ago. Basically, my 300MH/s and 3000GH/s have dropped almost 50% in earnings over the previous 10 days where my home farm - about half the size of my GAW/Zen account - has declined less than 1% in the same amount of time and remains more profitable with my mainstream pools. Yes, I have solar power feeding these monsters, but still... something is not right on Front!

http://booth.pro/data/ZenCloud_BasicStats_102114.xlsx
(the auto BTC price updates every 10min unless you disable it. Just add your miner data and pool rates to see the magic)

Enjoy - your mileage may very.

Scott