Scientific proof that God exists?

[BADecker]

we are creation of alien genetic engineering
so in a sense there is a "god"

but not to the point that most world religions would like you to believe

Possibly,

I also think it's possible that we exist as conscious code within a simulation.

I guess this would make the original system programmer/s "god/s"

And what of the original programmers? Do they exist as a simulation also? Maybe it's simulations all the way down?

And will we crack the engineering problem of simulating conscious entities that themselves can exist within a simulation?

When you consider that the atoms that make our bodies are made up of nuclei surrounded by electrons spinning in planet-style around the nuclei (sort of), and that there is a gigantic amount of space in between the electrons and the nucleus of an atom, we just barely exist, physically. There's almost nothing there! When you add to it the fact that the nuclei and the electrons are made up of subatomic particles that hold wave properties as well as particle properties, maybe this really is a gigantic, Matrix-like, simulation.

[BADecker]

Over 99% of the idea that we are overpopulated is BS propaganda, designed to herd the people into the cities where they can be controlled by big government.

People herd to cities because that's where the jobs are.

You wanna try getting on the London tube during rush hour, you'll understand what overcrowding is.

Fine and dandy. The point is, there is no overpopulation. 

[BADecker]

Look, if scientists and researchers had more than a rudimentary understanding of how things work, they would have been able to double and triple our lifespan long ago.

Let's hope not. We are overpopulated as it is.

I predict within 40 years it will cost ~1BTC to have a neural scan such that your conscious mind can be entirely transferred into a simulated environment.

So instead of graveyards there will be server racks, the deceased could still interact with the general web so continue posting on worldly forums from the "next life"

This is an interesting idea, and has been thought about by many people. The problem is that we don't know if we would automatically tie in a person's true identity, true self, if we did this. It might totally be a simulation of that person without the person at all.

Watch the TED videos at this link to see what I mean: https://www.ted.com/topics/consciousness.

[Gwapo]

i didnt expect anyone to reply to my post but

"god" and "aliens" are virtually synonymous imo

god created this earth, he is not from this earth, so that makes god an extraterrestrial of some kind 

[Buffer Overflow]

Over 99% of the idea that we are overpopulated is BS propaganda, designed to herd the people into the cities where they can be controlled by big government.

People herd to cities because that's where the jobs are.

You wanna try getting on the London tube during rush hour, you'll understand what overcrowding is.

Fine and dandy. The point is, there is no overpopulation. 

LOL, what are you talking about? You cannot just stack people 4 high, squeeze them in and then that's it.

You need infrastructure in place to support them. Our roads here in UK are at breaking point, NHS at breaking point, schools over subscribed. Plus all these extra people use more electricity, water, gas, sewers, the list is endless.

We can't keep concreting over farmland. This provides our food.

[BADecker]

You said it!

In a related thread, I posted content which is in the domain of world experience -- but far beyond explanation.

Even if all of the old explanations make sense, those world views have limits to their relevance.

And they are now being challenged.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=635960.msg8437004#msg8437004

Yes, but DO be extremely careful. We don't have enough knowledge, yet, about how people naturally block the minds/spirits of alien beings or demons. And we don't know for sure what it is that contacts our minds and spirits. I think it can be shown that some people who are totally insane have been affected by spirits of aliens and demons when they weren't able to naturally block them. For some reason, they just didn't have the natural resistance that most people have. BE CAREFUL!

Also, I wanted to reference this page on Wiki and ask for your opinion on it, BADecker:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Tillich#God_above_God

I scanned the article. There is a lot that could be said.

Part of the reason I believe the Bible is that the history of how it was written shows that it is an impossible-to-have-been-written book. At least in the way it was written, and the fact of how it has expanded to cover the world. The first, brief section of this link - http://www.everystudent.com/features/bible.html - gives a tiny start into basics of why the Bible is powerful, is more than just an impossible book.

When intelligent people like Tillich start to write about the philosophy of God in ways that seem logical, I always go back to the simple evidences of the Bible itself. Would I gain much if I studied Tillich? Perhaps. But research the history of the existence of the Bible - how it came into being - and you will be amazed enough to start believing that God truly exists (if you don't already), and how He used the people of ancient Israel to spread the knowledge of Himself around the world in detail that is found nowhere else.

The most important thing is the thread of salvation by Jesus, that runs throughout the whole Bible, from the third chapter in Genesis, right to the end of the whole Bible. But, Tillich is interesting.

[BADecker]

i didnt expect anyone to reply to my post but

"god" and "aliens" are virtually synonymous imo

god created this earth, he is not from this earth, so that makes god an extraterrestrial of some kind  

You are correct except, there is this one little point that makes you partially wrong.

God is/was so powerful that He placed Himself in the body of Jesus Christ, and now God is a terrestrial at the same time He is an extraterrestrial.

This is how Jesus could rise from the dead and ascend into Heaven. Jesus will return one day, and judging by the predictions that He made about the things that would be happening on earth, that day might be close. However, it is somewhat close for all of us, anyway. If we happen to live to be 100 years old, the next thing that we will see after our death, is Jesus calling us from the grave, raising us from the dead, even if it takes 10,000 more years before it happens. The time is short, for each of us individually.

[BADecker]

Over 99% of the idea that we are overpopulated is BS propaganda, designed to herd the people into the cities where they can be controlled by big government.

People herd to cities because that's where the jobs are.

You wanna try getting on the London tube during rush hour, you'll understand what overcrowding is.

Fine and dandy. The point is, there is no overpopulation. 

LOL, what are you talking about? You cannot just stack people 4 high, squeeze them in and then that's it.

You need infrastructure in place to support them. Our roads here in UK are at breaking point, NHS at breaking point, schools over subscribed. Plus all these extra people use more electricity, water, gas, sewers, the list is endless.

We can't keep concreting over farmland. This provides our food.

The problem isn't lack of land for the population. The problem is that people let their governments run them so that they can't work together to spread out to the available land.

People are all worried about global warming. The truth of it is more like, if the polar caps melted, there would be a little bit of coastal land that would be lost to rising oceans. But Northern Canada, Greenland, Siberia, and Antarctica would open up to easy, fertile habitation. In addition, with extra moisture in the air, places like the Sahara Desert might become a moist, lush jungle.

The problems with global warming aren't the problems. Governments are stating that they are because government people want control.

Several hundred years ago people left Britain to get away from oppression. Today, the oppression is still of the same kind, but it is heightened because of the population problem THERE.

Governments are doing to the people like they always did, because governments are made up of people who want to remain in control, so they can leach off the people.

[dank]

God is a fantasy. There's no one person controlling everything. The cosmos is everything in existence and it functions all on it's own. I bow to no god and no man. I simply exist in reality.

God is not a person.  God is all people.  You're thinking in terms of humanly logic.  God is not a being, god is everything that exists.  The totality of existence, that which is the universe.


To ignore the existence of something, you must first acknowledge it's existence.

I agree that God is existent in all people. But He also is an identity of His own, much broader that the combined entities that people are. 

I'm just saying that god is not one singular personified being.  The highest state of god is an infinitely bright singular point of white light and infinite love, as all frequencies together create a white light.  I know this because I have seen it, I have felt it and I have became it.

This is the point we might have disagreement on, if we took the time to nail it down. I am saying that God IS a personified being, separate from people, while at the same time being existent, as TRUE God, inside of and as all people. How can this be? I don't have a clue. Sounds almost impossible. Yet this is, if explained and understood correctly, what I believe.

The universe is infinite, there is not one humanoid being that is the only god.  We are all gods, all is god.  The highest form of god is a singular point of conscious light and love energy, this is universal to all of existence.

In regards to other posters, aliens are gods, just as humans are.  The universe is infinite, it always has been and always will.  It may be hard to wrap your head around the concept of infinity, but when you see it for yourself, it all makes sense.  Existence never had to be created, it just had to be.

[BADecker]

God is a fantasy. There's no one person controlling everything. The cosmos is everything in existence and it functions all on it's own. I bow to no god and no man. I simply exist in reality.

God is not a person.  God is all people.  You're thinking in terms of humanly logic.  God is not a being, god is everything that exists.  The totality of existence, that which is the universe.


To ignore the existence of something, you must first acknowledge it's existence.

I agree that God is existent in all people. But He also is an identity of His own, much broader that the combined entities that people are.  

I'm just saying that god is not one singular personified being.  The highest state of god is an infinitely bright singular point of white light and infinite love, as all frequencies together create a white light.  I know this because I have seen it, I have felt it and I have became it.

This is the point we might have disagreement on, if we took the time to nail it down. I am saying that God IS a personified being, separate from people, while at the same time being existent, as TRUE God, inside of and as all people. How can this be? I don't have a clue. Sounds almost impossible. Yet this is, if explained and understood correctly, what I believe.

The universe is infinite, there is not one humanoid being that is the only god.  We are all gods, all is god.  The highest form of god is a singular point of conscious light and love energy, this is universal to all of existence.

In regards to other posters, aliens are gods, just as humans are.  The universe is infinite, it always has been and always will.  It may be hard to wrap your head around the concept of infinity, but when you see it for yourself, it all makes sense.  Existence never had to be created, it just had to be.

We are people. We barely have any power at all. Such things as infinity, eternity, and the universe are all inclusive. For us, that's all there are.

God is greater. To God the universe is simply like another terrarium. He might have any number of terrariums. We don't know because the universe is all to us. We are hooked into the universe in ways that won't allow us to think outside the box.  If we could think outside the box, the universe would include the other things that we could think, the stuff outside the box that we could think of.

God is outside the box of our universe, just as he is inside it at the same time. God has given people some of the attributes of God. One such is the kind of life that people have. Another is existence in eternity one way or another. God is not limited to these or any. He is beyond understanding.

[Snorek]

Why should there be such doubt—such confusion—about the existence of God? For thousands of years, people have debated whether God exists. Most conclude that it cannot be proven—one way or the other. It is surmised that the correct answer lies in the area of abstract philosophy and the metaphysical. And guess what? Nothing will change, because we can't prove anything... So just stop thinking about it, and live a good life.

[Cortex7]

Look, if scientists and researchers had more than a rudimentary understanding of how things work, they would have been able to double and triple our lifespan long ago.

Let's hope not. We are overpopulated as it is.

I predict within 40 years it will cost ~1BTC to have a neural scan such that your conscious mind can be entirely transferred into a simulated environment.

So instead of graveyards there will be server racks, the deceased could still interact with the general web so continue posting on worldly forums from the "next life"

This is an interesting idea, and has been thought about by many people. The problem is that we don't know if we would automatically tie in a person's true identity, true self, if we did this. It might totally be a simulation of that person without the person at all.

Watch the TED videos at this link to see what I mean: https://www.ted.com/topics/consciousness.

I know what you mean, but philosophically there is no way to prove you are the same person when you wake up after going to sleep. Any worldly test like writing on your hand could be duplicated in a copy, as would your full set of long term memories.

True identity, true self, is an assumption. The same assumption would be carried by an exact copy.

[jackjack]

Over 99% of the idea that we are overpopulated is BS propaganda, designed to herd the people into the cities where they can be controlled by big government.

People herd to cities because that's where the jobs are.

You wanna try getting on the London tube during rush hour, you'll understand what overcrowding is.

Fine and dandy. The point is, there is no overpopulation. 

LOL, what are you talking about? You cannot just stack people 4 high, squeeze them in and then that's it.

You need infrastructure in place to support them. Our roads here in UK are at breaking point, NHS at breaking point, schools over subscribed. Plus all these extra people use more electricity, water, gas, sewers, the list is endless.

We can't keep concreting over farmland. This provides our food.

The problem isn't lack of land for the population. The problem is that people let their governments run them so that they can't work together to spread out to the available land.

People are all worried about global warming. The truth of it is more like, if the polar caps melted, there would be a little bit of coastal land that would be lost to rising oceans. But Northern Canada, Greenland, Siberia, and Antarctica would open up to easy, fertile habitation. In addition, with extra moisture in the air, places like the Sahara Desert might become a moist, lush jungle.

The problems with global warming aren't the problems. Governments are stating that they are because government people want control.

Several hundred years ago people left Britain to get away from oppression. Today, the oppression is still of the same kind, but it is heightened because of the population problem THERE.

Governments are doing to the people like they always did, because governments are made up of people who want to remain in control, so they can leach off the people.

Wow
Linking science and proven facts to the UK willingness of control over its population is really a smart way of debating

In short it means that if you are convinced by real facts, then you're just an oppressor
On the other hand if you deeply trust in fairy tales, then you are in the right and you are oppressed by "scientists"/"totalitarians"
http://logicalfallacies.com

[Decksperiment]

Wowsers.. to those who think along the lines of shroedingers cat, the cat is obviously in the box, cause I left my moby in with it, behind the wall is the neighbours, turn on their webcam/phone them, there, SCIENTIFIC proof that what is in the box is also behind the wall.. wether we look or not. Folks who try to prove something is different from the scientific facts, when they are not, are like, um, what would I say.. numpties..

These type of people cast doubts in order to confuse and lose folks with a better understanding of whatever it is they are on about, I mean c'mon.. I put the cat in the box, and it would'nt shut up!! Did the cat care who opened the box? No, but it did HOPE that someone would, or it would have no reason to meow..

So I kicked the box, it was heavier 4 sure, I saw a cat hair escape the box.. the noises was no longer a meow but a growl.. must have turned into a bear huh?

[DDuckworth]

Oh, this is so funny. Not the serious points. Rather the fact that people want to believe certain things that seem to be impossible to others, yet they are unwilling to recognize that some of the things that they believe are considered to be impossible by those same others.

For example, one person says, it is impossible for there to be a living angel inside the sun. Another says that it is impossible for evolution to have happened.

If we want to start to reconcile our "beliefs," all of us first need to recognize that there is only ONE reason why life and the earth is possible. That reason is, simply, that we exist. We are here. At least it feels like it and looks like it.

One of the most important things that we need to realize if we want to move on to an understanding of ourselves and the universe is, it is utterly impossible for life, and nature on the earth, and even the whole universe, to exist, according to anything that we know or understand, except that we do exist, and it all exists. Without recognizing this, all the rest of scientific investigation is meaningless, except that it moves us in the direction of understanding how impossible this universe is. That's the start towards understanding.

Except there is ZERO evidence for angels living in the sun.  And 100% evidence for evolution.  Evolution isn't an opinion, I am so tired of people treating it as such.  It is a fact.  But even with the FACT of evolution, there is still room for your gods existence, one does not disprove the other, so stop refuting known facts and wasting everyone's time.

[DDuckworth]

God is a fantasy. There's no one person controlling everything. The cosmos is everything in existence and it functions all on it's own. I bow to no god and no man. I simply exist in reality.

God is not a person.  God is all people.  You're thinking in terms of humanly logic.  God is not a being, god is everything that exists.  The totality of existence, that which is the universe.


To ignore the existence of something, you must first acknowledge it's existence.

I agree that God is existent in all people. But He also is an identity of His own, much broader that the combined entities that people are. 

I'm just saying that god is not one singular personified being.  The highest state of god is an infinitely bright singular point of white light and infinite love, as all frequencies together create a white light.  I know this because I have seen it, I have felt it and I have became it.

This is the point we might have disagreement on, if we took the time to nail it down. I am saying that God IS a personified being, separate from people, while at the same time being existent, as TRUE God, inside of and as all people. How can this be? I don't have a clue. Sounds almost impossible. Yet this is, if explained and understood correctly, what I believe.

The universe is infinite, there is not one humanoid being that is the only god.  We are all gods, all is god.  The highest form of god is a singular point of conscious light and love energy, this is universal to all of existence.

In regards to other posters, aliens are gods, just as humans are.  The universe is infinite, it always has been and always will.  It may be hard to wrap your head around the concept of infinity, but when you see it for yourself, it all makes sense.  Existence never had to be created, it just had to be.

Dank you aren't allowed in this thread, go back to asking for your loan so you can bring about a "elevation of the human consciousness through a music festival"

[jackjack]

God is a fantasy. There's no one person controlling everything. The cosmos is everything in existence and it functions all on it's own. I bow to no god and no man. I simply exist in reality.

God is not a person.  God is all people.  You're thinking in terms of humanly logic.  God is not a being, god is everything that exists.  The totality of existence, that which is the universe.


To ignore the existence of something, you must first acknowledge it's existence.

I agree that God is existent in all people. But He also is an identity of His own, much broader that the combined entities that people are. 

I'm just saying that god is not one singular personified being.  The highest state of god is an infinitely bright singular point of white light and infinite love, as all frequencies together create a white light.  I know this because I have seen it, I have felt it and I have became it.

This is the point we might have disagreement on, if we took the time to nail it down. I am saying that God IS a personified being, separate from people, while at the same time being existent, as TRUE God, inside of and as all people. How can this be? I don't have a clue. Sounds almost impossible. Yet this is, if explained and understood correctly, what I believe.

The universe is infinite, there is not one humanoid being that is the only god.  We are all gods, all is god.  The highest form of god is a singular point of conscious light and love energy, this is universal to all of existence.

In regards to other posters, aliens are gods, just as humans are.  The universe is infinite, it always has been and always will.  It may be hard to wrap your head around the concept of infinity, but when you see it for yourself, it all makes sense.  Existence never had to be created, it just had to be.

The universe is not infinite

[dank]

God is a fantasy. There's no one person controlling everything. The cosmos is everything in existence and it functions all on it's own. I bow to no god and no man. I simply exist in reality.

God is not a person.  God is all people.  You're thinking in terms of humanly logic.  God is not a being, god is everything that exists.  The totality of existence, that which is the universe.


To ignore the existence of something, you must first acknowledge it's existence.

I agree that God is existent in all people. But He also is an identity of His own, much broader that the combined entities that people are.  

I'm just saying that god is not one singular personified being.  The highest state of god is an infinitely bright singular point of white light and infinite love, as all frequencies together create a white light.  I know this because I have seen it, I have felt it and I have became it.

This is the point we might have disagreement on, if we took the time to nail it down. I am saying that God IS a personified being, separate from people, while at the same time being existent, as TRUE God, inside of and as all people. How can this be? I don't have a clue. Sounds almost impossible. Yet this is, if explained and understood correctly, what I believe.

The universe is infinite, there is not one humanoid being that is the only god.  We are all gods, all is god.  The highest form of god is a singular point of conscious light and love energy, this is universal to all of existence.

In regards to other posters, aliens are gods, just as humans are.  The universe is infinite, it always has been and always will.  It may be hard to wrap your head around the concept of infinity, but when you see it for yourself, it all makes sense.  Existence never had to be created, it just had to be.

We are people. We barely have any power at all. Such things as infinity, eternity, and the universe are all inclusive. For us, that's all there are.

God is greater. To God the universe is simply like another terrarium. He might have any number of terrariums. We don't know because the universe is all to us. We are hooked into the universe in ways that won't allow us to think outside the box.  If we could think outside the box, the universe would include the other things that we could think, the stuff outside the box that we could think of.

God is outside the box of our universe, just as he is inside it at the same time. God has given people some of the attributes of God. One such is the kind of life that people have. Another is existence in eternity one way or another. God is not limited to these or any. He is beyond understanding.

God is not separate from us, we just forgot that we're gods.  You can't understand god from a humanly perspective, but you can comprehend god, as it is who we are.

[BADecker]

Oh, this is so funny. Not the serious points. Rather the fact that people want to believe certain things that seem to be impossible to others, yet they are unwilling to recognize that some of the things that they believe are considered to be impossible by those same others.

For example, one person says, it is impossible for there to be a living angel inside the sun. Another says that it is impossible for evolution to have happened.

If we want to start to reconcile our "beliefs," all of us first need to recognize that there is only ONE reason why life and the earth is possible. That reason is, simply, that we exist. We are here. At least it feels like it and looks like it.

One of the most important things that we need to realize if we want to move on to an understanding of ourselves and the universe is, it is utterly impossible for life, and nature on the earth, and even the whole universe, to exist, according to anything that we know or understand, except that we do exist, and it all exists. Without recognizing this, all the rest of scientific investigation is meaningless, except that it moves us in the direction of understanding how impossible this universe is. That's the start towards understanding.

Except there is ZERO evidence for angels living in the sun.  And 100% evidence for evolution.  Evolution isn't an opinion, I am so tired of people treating it as such.  It is a fact.  But even with the FACT of evolution, there is still room for your gods existence, one does not disprove the other, so stop refuting known facts and wasting everyone's time.

Actually, there is scientific evidence. Then, there are interpretations of that evidence. Some of the interpretations suggest that the universe is billions of years old and that evolution is where people came from. Some of the interpretations of the same evidence suggests a short universal age - as short as 6,000 years - and that people simply "popped" into existence without any real evidence of where they came from. And there are other interpretations of that same evidence, as well.

[BADecker]

The universe is not infinite

Personally, I don't know. Conceivably, infinity is an attribute of the universe, and that it is so. Conceivably, the only way that it could be proven that the universe is NOT infinite would be to exist "outside" the universe, a thing that we really cannot conceive of.